This conversation between Lisa and Will Cain covers various topics, including Joe Biden's age and mental decline, the failures of Democrat policies, the impact of Donald Trump on the political landscape, and the WNBA 's treatment of rookie player Caitlin Clark. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
So we all saw that video at the Los Angeles fundraiser recently where Barack Obama had to escort Joe Biden off the stage. Now, instead of just emitting the truth that you know, Joe Biden is incognitive decline, something that we all see as Americans when we watch him doddering around on stages, or we watch him give press conferences seemingly getting lost mid sentence, that vacant stare that he gives us as if a you know, computer is quite literally shutting off.
Instead of telling.
Us the truth, the White House and the media, they're trying to gaslight us, I mean cream. Jean Pierre, a White House press secretary, gave a press conference telling us that these videos that we're saying are deceptively edited, despite the fact that there's hundreds just like them. The media is telling us that these are called cheap fakes, trying to also lie to us and tell us that they're deceptively edited. One, what does that tell us about the media? And also is this going to work? Is this strategy going to work with the American people? We're going to dig into that and all things. Meet with Will Caine from Fox News, you know him, he's a co host of Fox and Friends Weekend. He's also the host of the Will kin Show podcast. It's great, he's out every day. You can check it out wherever you get podcasts, you can find it. But we're going to get his broader assessment on the media, is a strategy going to work?
And then also dig into a little bit about the debate.
What should you expect our Republicans are you know, are we setting the bar too low?
Also, we're going to.
Get Will's take on the presidential election, where things stand now and you know where's this all heading. Stay tuned for a great and interesting conversation with my colleague and friend Will Caine. Well, Will Kane, it's great to have you on the show. I appreciate you making the time, my friend.
Hey, Lisa, I'm super happy to be on your show.
So, you know what I wanted to get your take on.
I was thinking about this today and I was on Fox earlier and we were talking about it, like this really grinds my gears. Well, they're like a lot of things right now, to which I'm sure you feel the same way. All Right, So Joe Biden's eighty one, he's clearly in cognitive decline. But he would be a terrible president even if you were thirty five years old. I mean, is his age kind of being used as a cover to some extent.
I don't know that it's being used as a cover, and I don't think it is a B storyline. I think it is topic A. I think this is a massively important issue, Lisa. I mean, if the President of the United States is of not sound mind or sound body, he's not of his full mental capacity. That is a problem for the United States of America. And it is the lowest threshold that should be expected to be cleared. It should be you know, competent. You know, that's a little bit important to the qualifications of the leader of the free world. And he's going to be He's eighty one years old. He's signing up to do another four years. He's in rapid decline. Anyone who's ever had a pet has told you that the rate of decline, or for that matter, a grandparent, is extremely fact in the last six months of one's life. And so you have to ask very legitimate questions, like, well, the President of the United States live out his second term? Can he complete the job? If he's alive during his second term. I think these are topic A and I think they're of extreme important to the United States of America.
But I guess what I'm trying to get to is even before he was in mental decline. You know, former Defense Secretary Robert Gates said that Joe Biden had gotten every foreign policy issue wrong for decades, or you look at Obama saying that don't underestimate Joe Biden's ability to f things up, or even you know, when Obama was in office as a Democrat, you know, that's when Russia decided to annex Crimea. So I guess the only point I'm making is that like the danger sure that we were in as a country, I don't think is specific to his age. I think that you know, even if Obama, you know, Russia was doing what they're doing now to some extent under Obama's time, or the issues that Joe Biden is pushing right now are the same failure as that we're seeing in states like California, you know what I mean.
It's like, it's not just an age thing.
It's because Joe Biden is a terrible president, and he would be if at eighty one or if you were thirty five.
I agree with you eighty percent of the way. And the statement that you said that I think I find the most interesting is the problems that we're in is a country aren't specific to his age, and that is mostly true. I mean, you know, you could have an ideological administration of extreme competence and still put your country in extreme problems. And Joe Biden throughout his career has been a poor leader, a poor judge of policy, and not very smart, and that's independent of his age. But I still think, and I'm not saying this as I think it's not cheap again, I think it is story a that you have to be present to do the job. But here's why I only agree with you eighty percent that the problems aren't specific to his age. If he's not present, if he's not the one doing the job, then we have very legitimate questions to ask about who is leading the US.
No, I mean, I see what you're saying. I like, I guess my, you know, I guess too.
You know, Joe Biden has you know, been a prolific liar and just a terrible human being throughout his entirety of his career. You know, even when he was sen a Judiciary chairman. He's overseen to the nastiest Supreme Supreme Court confirmation hearings with Robert Burton Claire. I just think he's a terrible guy, a terrible president, and sometimes the age is sort of like an excuse for how awful he is. Is my you know, only point with all that. But but despite all that, we've got the media and also the White House, I mean, Kareem Gene Pierre standing there telling us that, you know, these video are deceptively edited or I was saying, you know, Rolling Stone and some of the media now were calling it cheap fakes, these videos trying to tell us that, oh, no, you know, it's not because he's you know, a senile, dottering old man.
The videos are just set.
In its insane. It's like straight out of nineteen eighty four. And I know that we've said that on multiple occasions, and we had that, you know, exposed beyond all doubts and questions during COVID, But this is like one of the most blatant examples I can think of where they're telling you no, the light was red and we all know that it was green. No, you know, up is down and down is up. They're not only trying to tell us that Joe Biden is solid and that it's misinformation and cheap fakes for us to pretend that he's week. They're also trying to play offense by accusing others of the sins which they're guilty. They're running a counter offensive saying that Donald Trump is feeble, that Donald Trump needs help, ushered off of a stage, that Donald Trump is the one losing his marbles. And I mean, it's just straight, straight propaganda. This is straight you know, lies to our face to create a false reality. It's insane.
Is it effective? I mean, how how you know how much does propaganda work?
Do you think?
Well? Propaganda works, otherwise they wouldn't continue to do it. It's the most powerful tool for authoritarian governments over the past century. But back to this question of Joe Biden's mental capacity, you know, I think it is the most important thing, but I also think it's the most effective thing for the non political person. Like the point that you're making to me is that he'd be a bad president even if you were of his full capacity. In correct, I agree with you, But I think that you are also and so am I a somewhat politically inclined person. I think for the people that are out there just watching and not inclined to party or to depth of understanding on the news cycle that allow most of the news to wash over them, I think it's a very important issue and a very effective issue. The President of the United States is stumbling into senility, and I don't think in that instance that the propaganda will work. I just think it's too obvious. It's a bad parlor trick on you know, the corner of forty eighth Avenue in Times Square. It's like, I can see your hand moving, I know where the ball is, I know which shell. It's like, why do you stick around and watch that one? This guy's not even a good slide of hands. So yeah, I don't think this one works. I think this is bad propaganda.
What it's like that saying you don't don't peel my leg and tell me it's raining, you know. I mean we saw this during COVID too, where you know, basically anything that you know the left and the media they don't like, they label it as misinformation, disinformation, you know. I mean we saw this about basically everything that was true about COVID. You know, they lie to us and told us otherwise. But yet, you know doctor Fauci, who was the public face of our government's COVID response as well as the one really pushing these policies and also really censoring and shutting down any truth tellers that we're out there.
He's out with the book now.
I mean that, can I be like any more of a flagrant little finger to the lives that he destroyed during COVID.
No, it couldn't. I'm going to tie these two things, maybe three things together, the constant accusation of misinformation, the story about COVID, and I want to analogize those two. A good approaching decade of calling everything racist. So I think that calling things racist Lisa has really lost a lot of punch, a lot of weight. I mean, especially I think with younger generations. I don't think it just carries much anymore like it did in two thousand and sixteen, seventy, in eighteen, it's like somebody calls something racist in everyone else's eyes in the room roll. I think that's kind of where we are with with COVID as well. It's like, here's Anthony Fauci out here, to play the role of hero and he's gonna get he's gonna get set it on you know, CBS by Nate Burleson and Gail King and everybody else's eyes will roll. I think that's also where we are on misinformation, and that's probably why it has to go by new names on sort of a six month rolling basis. It goes from you know, disinformation to misinformation, to deep fakes to cheap fakes, to try to get some to make that drum resonate with the audience because I think it's really we might already be there, but it's approached the place where you call something misinformation in everyone's eyes roll.
Yeah, I'm sure, but yeah, but I've been I mean, I guess, I guess I always wrestle with you know, as you mentioned before, like we're two people who, you know, we follow the news because we like it, but also because it's our job as well. And I'm just I always kind of wrestle with you know, do we hold these views or do we hold these observations of you know, recognizing you know, the extent of the lies that we've been told by the government and the media because of that, or you know, is the rest of America a wake as well.
I struggle with that as well. Really right, And I think there's a lot of people that I use this analogy on the wil Kane Show a lot. I think of the news it's sort of like a river, and if you let the river just wash over you, all you do is really pick up the flotsam and the jetsum of you know, little bits of things that are repeated at the backyard barbecue. And I think that's where terms like racist or misinformation gather weight. But if you stick your rudder into the river at all and start guiding the direction of your own ship and understanding the deeper currents, wow, you're like, this is this is stupid, this is silly, this is this is what they this is the guy they canceled for me too. And I just used that one example because I think about some of my friends and I do struggle with what you're talking about, because, hey, I don't want to be an overly political person. I don't want to see everything through a partisan lens, Lisa, but I definitely want to stick my rudder into the river and understand the issues. And I just hear more than one of my friends like just just kind of reject the flotsam that washed over them in the river. Like I was in a was having lunch last week in New York when I'm in New York on the weekends, and one of my friends was like, we should really revisit all of the people that were canceled during ME Too. And of course that's not a rejection of the existence of sexual harassment or any righteous examples within ME Too, but we can also acknowledge it was like it was the Salem witch trial, like he got out of hand and all kinds of people lost their jobs and we just move on, and why don't we stick our rudder in deeper and kind of look into some of those stories, like, hey, does this guy deserve to be canceled forever? And I think the same thing applies to like, you know this stuff about is Trump losing his marbles and you know, did he need help off the stage. I think more and more people understand I kind of have to stick my rudder into the water, otherwise I'm just going to be blown into into just a dam of bullshit on the side of the river.
We've got more with will Kine, but first, since the terror attacks on October seventh. Anti Semitism has been on the rise, not just in Israel but here at home, in the US and around the world. That's why I've partnered with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, and today I'm coming to you, my audience, to ask that you stand with us and IFJ to raise your voice, just as Oscar Schindler and Corey ten Boom did. This pledge is asking Christians to stand with their Jewish brothers and sisters, to never be silent, to show the Jewish people that they are not alone. They have God and Christians on their side. From the month of June, we are asking Christians to sign this pledge, which will be delivered to the President of Israel, to show that Christians in America are not only standing in solidarity, but they're speaking up to Let's take a stand today with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews so let the Jewish people know that they're not alone. To sign the pledge, go to support IFCJ dot org, Support IFCJ dot org to take a stand today, you know, and I try to sort of, you know, use this as well as we head into the twenty twenty four election of you know, just trying to figure out where the you know, public sentiment truly lies, right because you know, I'm more partisan than you in the sense of, you know, I come from Republican politics, so you know, I wear that on my sleeve. You're you're you're more you know, unbiased, kind of in the middle of type deal. But I'm certainly you know, so I'm just always trying to figure out, you know, especially heading into this after the midterms and you know, thinking that a red wave was coming and it was you know, basically you know, a ripple, and trying to assess where the American people are in this presidential election. I mean, look, Donald Trump's pulling better than he did twenty sixteen, twenty twenty. You go to the real clear Politics up polling right now in all seven battleground states in a head to ad contest, he is up. You know, so, look, things look good. What's sort of your assessment on where this race stands today?
Well, first, I don't know that I consider myself someone in the middle, But I also don't consider myself someone anywhere on the political spectrum because I reject the political spectrum, and that forces me to reject those political parties like I am going to more often than not vote Republican by a process of correlation and default. Like if I if I think about each individual issue and where I am on it, and I do I am somewhat ideological. But what I'm getting at, Lisa is I think the older that I've gotten at, I think two things have happened for me. Number One, I'd like to think I hope I've gained some humility, And I also hope I'd like to think that's part of wisdom, that humility comes from understanding in the past where I might have been wrong, you know, and changing some positions.
You know.
In the past, I would have been much more willing to say, you know, I'm on the right, or I'm a libertarian, or I'm a conservative, and I would have had really strong ideological backing for every single position or label that was ready to be, you know, hoisted upon me. But I do think over the past five to ten years, and I think the emergence of Donald Trump has made me reconsider the value of a strict ideology, you know, And so I just want to be a little more practical and understand human nature and where leaders fit into human nature. So the all I'm getting at there is why I struggle sometimes just like use shorthand for my own belief, you know what I mean. But I don't think that puts me in the middle, like I don't. I don't ever consider myself like between left and right, or and I try to be honest about my biases, like I don't ever pretend to be unbiased. I just want to let people know what my biases are. All I'm getting at is I think in a wider spectrum there might be a lot of people that agree with me, because I don't think that modern American politics is like a straight line spectrum between right and left, Republican and Democrat. It just can't be anymore. So like how explain to me free speech? Explain to me vaccine mandates. Explain to me a whole host of issue that that fit into the right left spectrum. They just don't anymore. Like, you know, there was a time when the left was supposed to be the champion of free speech and the right was worried about offensive speech. That's totally obviously been flipped on its head. You know, there was a time when the left, like I believe in medical freedom, and then and then the left believes in absolute mandates. So I just all I'm getting at is I don't I don't know how to describe my own politics. Yeah, pretty conservative. I used to be more libertarian, but I don't know that That'll leads to the question you asked me, like, where do we stand? Where does the election stand? Man? I was blown away by the midterm elections too so. And by the.
Way, in twenty twenty, yeah, I went to Yeah, I.
Went to a Trump rally in twenty twenty. It was the first time I've been to a Trump rally, and I was like, wow, I don't know how he loses. And then twenty twenty happened. And then I look at TV now and I see like throngs of crowds in Newport Beach, California, and I'm like, wow, I don't know how he loses, but I do have a little more humility.
Well, you know, I'm glad you have, you know, humility.
I mean, I think we all you know, I admitted when you know I got the midterms wrong. You know, unfortunately we have government leaders like Fauci, who you know, refused to do that when they were so definitive in the policies they were pushing that destroyed the nation.
But I like what you said about sort of, you know.
The changing political landscape, because when you were talking about that, I was thinking to myself, I wonder how much of that is due to Donald Trump, right, because he came into the system in twenty sixteen, is just this outsider and sort.
Of disrupted traditional conservative.
Ideology, you know, and and you saw sort of that comment when he picks someone like Mike Pence sort of a traditional conservative as is BP, but he was really a disruptor when it came to you know, issues like trade and you know, immigration and a variety of other issues. So I guess how much of that sort of shifting political landscape do you think is due to the disruption of Donald Trump sort of entering the political arena.
A ton a ton And I look at myself and I find probably the twenty twelve version of me will look at the twenty twenty four version of me and say, wow, you've lost some principles. But I don't think that I have lost some principles. I think the twenty twelve version of me was too dedicated to some ideological ideas that were divorced from reality. So to your point, Donald Trump comes in and we have to reconsider that free trade is the best policy in all situations if you're being taken advantage of by the rules of your own game by a state, theft and and teeter in China. Donald Trump repositioned the Republican Party when it comes to trade protectionism to unions in the United States of America, to duvishness on foreign wars as opposed to a constant neo con hawkishness. And this is what I if you think about at leasta, okay, ideology. Political ideology is a relatively recent phenomenon. It's about a century old, Okay. So I'm reading this book right now called The Age of Revolutions, and it's about from seventeen fifty to eighteen twenty, the French Revolution, the American Revolution, but there are revolutions all around the world. But this is really the formation of the nation state beginning of history, and then political ideologies follow along roughly a good one hundred years later after the formation of the nation state. The point is what led us before that, before were the last century practicality, leadership, wisdom and understanding and trying to employ real, timeless principles of prudence and justice. And I just think that when I look at leadership now, and I do think Donald Trump played a large role. And of course, anybody disagrees with me, and anybody's gonna go, oh my god, I just talking about the grab him by the crotch guy, and he's the one forcing you to consider the qualities of leadership and prudence and justice. And my answer to that is yes, yes, because leaders are imperfect. Leaders don't shouldn't fit into neat ideological boxes. We shouldn't stand on a debate stage and go who's the most conservative, because that's not how human nature works. That's not the nature of leadership. You and I could pick the most conservative center in the US right, and we could send him to the White House, and that doesn't guarantee us anything about him being a good leader and getting anything accomplished. You know.
And what's interesting too, is you know, I wonder I mean, look, I think it's I would argue the left has clearly gone off the deep end. And you can even see former Democrats like Julian Michael's come out recently talking about the state of California on how the left has sort of left her behind and she stayed the same, but you know, the left has gone crazy, and Elon Musk saying, you know, similar things to that. So how much of that do you think is a product of Donald Trump during this scene and sort of like forcing this you know, political title wave and this massive, you know, tectonic shift in politics, or do you think they were heading that direction anyways?
I do think that Donald Trump is this is this tectonic shift. I do. I think we're gonna write books about Donald Trump for half a century, and hopefully they're positive books. You know what I mean by that is hopefully the impact on history is a is a positive one. But I think that it's so crazy to think that, you know, Barack Obama was quite possibly the most ideological president that we have had. I'm just sitting here racking my brain to go through history because I don't think that Linda Baines Johnson, even with the Great Society, was quite as ideologically as far to the left. I think he was more of a narcissist and you know, sheer political creature. So maybe since Franklin Donald Roosevelt, that Barack Obama's probably the most ideological president in that time frame, and then Donald Trump comes along. Despite the left framing everything is far right, far right, and that's one of their current catchphrases, everything is far right. He largely rejects political ideology. He largely rejects any sense. In fact, some of my very good friends they didn't like Donald Trump at the beginning because they thought he wasn't a conservative. Remember that conversation said that was a real y. He's not a conservative. And the truth is, I mean, I think he is instinctually somewhat conservative, but he kind of says, I just want to be common sense and practical, you know. And the point of this isn't to be to totally isolate yourself from principles. That's not I think the lesson, because principles are part of wisdom in prudence, and the left has totally divorced itself from any type of principle, and it considers it's it's north star largely abstract terms like you know, equalities now, equity, justice, and those are all things dictated by the popular opinion, the mob. And so I think the point is we can't lurch in the direction of populism defined by what is popular and divorce yourself from principles. But I also think we need to be careful about replacing, how about this religion with political ideology. I think that's been a temptation on the left and on the right, with Marxism and with maybe even libertarianism, to replace the role of faith in life with political ideology.
Now that we're talking and listening to what you have to say, which is really interesting, getting me thinking. You know, I do think Donald Trump is principled. I just think his principles don't fall in like a neat political spectrum as you were kind of laying out, even you know, with your beliefs, which I think is kind of where more Americans stand. You know, I'm certainly further to the right. I am, you know, honest about that. It's you know, what I've done for a living. It's just what I believe. Uh But you know, so I think he is principal. It's just, you know, it doesn't kind of like neatly align with what we have sort of traditionally have looked at as you know, Democrat or Republican beliefs, which is you know interesting, how do you think you know, we watched the New York trial with Donald Trump and and sort of what he was put through. We're obviously awaiting sentencing in July next month here coming up very soon. Actually, uh, how do you think this trial plays out politically? And sort of what are you expecting from the sentencing.
That's the hardest one. Back to our analogy about the river and whether or not it washes over people or they dig their rudder in. I think this is one where I have a little less faith than people willing to dig in. I think the left made a calculated gamble to come away from this trial with a bumper sticker slogan of convicted felon and they got it. They got that, and I do think that will affect a lot of people. I did see a poll this week, Lisa that showed independence recently had swung towards Joe Biden. There's so many different poles out and you can parse them so many different ways. But that was a little concerning to me when I saw that, because elections do come down too independence in a couple of different states. And if they sentenced Donald Trump to something, I think if they sentenced into something visual like, surely they would never put him in jail, you know, But if they did, I think it would swing back the other way. I think that would be too much. I think it would be too obvious. I think they got their bumper sticker slogan and they should probably go to battle with it, and they will. That's what you will hear next week at the presidential debate. By the way, Lisa, on that front, I had on the Will Kine Show this week Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma. I find Senator Mullen pretty interesting guy, pretty handed, kind of a cowboy, a wrestlerris from eastern Oklahoma. And I asked him, do you think Joe Biden will be the nominee? And I kind of thought he'd say one hundred percent.
So I was gonna ask you that, but keep going. It's interesting listening.
Yeah, I thought he'd say one hundred percent because at this point you would think stability would be your your best course. Well, I think his name is doctor Alan Lickman, who's got every presidential election rights since nineteen eighty four. He predicts it will be Joe Biden, and Joe Biden will win. And the reason that he predicts Joe Biden will win is because of stability. Unless something happens, it's a huge advantage for the incumbent. That's something could be war, it could be a terror rist attack, it could be a stock market crash and an economic recession. But without that stability advantages Joe Biden. So his point of view is like, then therefore you would never replace Joe Biden. Well, here's what Mullen said, fifty to fifty, they replaced Joe Biden. I thought, wow, fifty to fifty, and he said, well, let's just walk through this together, will He goes, First of all, when the classified Dodgument's investigation was put together and all the different leads from law enforcement and then subsequently the DOJ, the special prosecutor that Joe Biden's mental competency was a question, right, And we now know the Biden administration has tried to classify Robert Hur's deposition where Joe Biden was slipping up and couldn't remember the date of the year of Hunters of bo Biden's death, couldn't remember the years he was vice president. But Mullen said, for that to even come out is pretty shocking. It doesn't need to come out in that investigation it's not germane to come out. So he thought that's eye opening, that's eyebrow raising for that to even come out. Second, he says, what's the last time you saw a presidential debate before either party's convention for the president, And he's right. I think it's like they're always in the fall, you know, three debates in the fall from like September through October, and we're having one in June. Was good debate. Next week we don't even had the Democrat or the Republican convention. And his theory is we're going to see how he does next week, and if he lays an egg. If Joe Biden lays an egg, you put into place the groundwork that you sow the field to begin to take this to the delegates in the convention and replace Joe Biden got.
A quick commercial break more with Wilcine. So I worry with the debate that Republicans are setting the bar too low for Joe Biden. And so basically all he has to do is not drilling himself to seed that bar.
Uh.
You know, because you look at the fact that there's no live audience, which helps Joe Biden. You know, I wouldn't say it hurts Donald Trump, but you know, he feeds off of a crowd in a way that Joe Biden does not. You've got two liberal anchors with Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, and then they can also mute the mics as well, and so you know, clearly the questions are probably going to be more liberal and you know, more anti Trump, and then they have the ability to cut the mics when needed and when wanted. So I mean, is it a mistake then to sort of set the bar too low? And do you agree with that assessment that the bar has been set too low?
Well, I don't know what we I mean, how do you set the bar? Like, how are republic quote unquote Republicans are anybody if that matter, setting the bar by showing videos of Joe Biden being led around by Georgia Maloney or Barack Obama or stumbling through the teleprompter. I mean, that just is what it is, Like, It's not a political play, It's just it is what it is. That's who the president of the United States. That's his condition. So I don't know what we could have done about that, but yeah, I do think it's possible he exceeds it. I mean, he kind of did at State of the Union. He did a State of the Union. You know, he did last last four years ago in the debates. He did then as well. So he can get up how or why. I think it is a very legitimate conversation, but he can get up for it. And then if that's the case, yeah, maybe the then it's uh, this isn't the This isn't the set the stage for him to be replaced. By the way Mullen gave a name, he's thinks he thinks that you know, Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris, He's like, they're not gonna pull any better than Joe Biden. And then and the name that he gave me was one I had not heard before, he said House Minority Leader Hakim Jefferies.
Interesting. See, I've been trying to make the case when I'm on TV.
You know, one, it's not just the ageing he'd be a terrible president regardless of his age. And then secondly, it's also just the failure of Democrat policy, as I mean, you look at California, you know, some of the highest taxes, yet you know they have a multi billion dollar budget deficit, or the fact that they have the highest unemployment in the nation, or you know, they spend so much on homelessness, yet they have one of the worst homeless parts.
You know.
It's like it's like the policies at large that Democrats push are what is failing the nation. It's not just you know, Joe Biden Earth's age, but uh, you know, but you know, but I want him to be the nominee, right, so let's hope that it's you know, Trump wins, but Joe Biden doesn't fall in his face and doesn't roll because I don't want him to be swapped out personally. So I wanted to switch gears slightly into the world of sports.
Briefly.
I did tweet that I wish we could go back to not talking about the w NBA, but it is permanent to a degree, so I kind of because it just seems so spoil I mean, I guess, you know, I don't know if I'm viewing it from a different lens, just because I've never really liked a WNBA. But why do you think Caitlin Clark is on the receiving end of so much hatred it seems, or is.
She jealousy, pettiness, racism, a combination of all of those things. Kaitlin Clark is literally saving the WNBA. The WNBA is not popular. Virtually no one watches it, Virtually no one goes to the games. It's subsidized by the NBA. It's an annual money loser. And here comes somebody that brings with them literally millions of viewers, got to expand stadium capacity for new butts and seats. All of a sudden, her debut, three million people watch when she's on TV versus when she's not on TV. The difference is in the hundreds of thousands. And she promises to make this league something that's actually profitable, which would bleed off on anybody that works for that league, including the other players. But there's so much pettiness, jealousy and racism that they can't. They have to look the gift horse in the mouth, and even if they see, you know, no soldiers inside the trojan horse, they they will reject the gift. They're rejecting the gift. Now here's the funny thing. It may be something that showers gifts upon them anyway. So they don't want the face of their league to be this little straight white girl who played at Iowa. That's the truth, that's the bottom line. They don't they begrudge her the attention that she's getting. And you know, to some extent, there's some human nature, like the worst of human nature, that makes it all understandable for all of us. We've been toiling in this league for a decade. I've been doing this and I'm really good, and now all of a sudden, she comes in. She gets all this attention. Yes, and she brings all of these riches with her as well to you. And here's how it may play out for them anyway, Lisa. It's turning into like wwe they're all the heel and she's the baby. Like people are going to watch to see her be the hero and them be the villain, and they're willingly leaning into these roles. But just know who you are. You're the villain. But it's almost like there's nothing you can do to keep Caitlin Clark from grabbing people's attention, attention which did not exist before for the WNBA.
Well, and I ask you this because you're, you know, a sports guy with your history at ESPN, and you know there's been a lot of videos of her kind of getting ruffed up. So I'm not the biggest I grew up watching hockey games and like going to like, you know, football games and whatnot. But I'm not the biggest basketball person. How normal is that for a rookie to get ruffed up like that? Or is this sort of on another level?
I think it's on another level. Some of it's normal, I mean, if we're being fair, and some of it would be normal for somebody that's getting this much attention. It's like, let's put her back in her place and show her she's still a rookie, right, But I think it's definitely another level. And then I think even more so than the physical play, I think it's the way they talk about her. You know, even when she was still at Iowa, there was people like Cheryl Swoops who rejected her greatness. And I don't know if Cherrel Seuss was intentionally lying or just ignorant about a lot of little stuff like how many years Kaitlyn Clark could play to Iowa, how many points she had scored, whether or not she'd haud of COVID year. All these different things kind of undercut what she'd accomplished. And the previous scoring leader said, I'll still be the scoring leader, meaning in the record books, why why do you? Why do you deny what Caitlyn accomplished? And then she arrives in the NBA WNBA and you get sort of the same kind of talk, just kind of dismissing her. I think that's more revealing than the hard.
Fouls, although I do respect hersonacity and I respect the way she's here. I mean, she's clearly a class act, which is, you know, difficult when you literally have sharp elbows and you know, coming into your direction literally and figuratively. So Will Kine always a pleasure to talk to you. Anything else you'd like to leave us with before we go, Yeah.
I would love for you guys check out the Willkine Show. It's we stream lives every day Lisa at Foxnews dot com, Fox YouTube, Fox Facebook twelve o'clock Eastern, but it's always available on podcasts too. I know you have a huge podcast audience, and I would love them to subscribe to our show as well well at Spotify or Apple. We'll try to have a good time over there and maybe get informed as well. But I really appreciate it on your show Lisa, why.
I always love seeing you on you know one when you're on Fox and Friends, but when you get a guest host, I think you ask really really smart questions and always make really smart points. So everybody co check out the Will Kine Show and also check out Will on the weekends on Fox and Friends.
Will really appreciate you. Making the time means a lot.
Thanks a lot, Lisa.
That was Willkine, co host of Fox and Friends weekend of the host of The Will kin Show. You can find it wherever you get your podcasts. A great guy, always an interesting guy. I always makes smart points. Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. Also want to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.