We've learned a lot about civilization since Hamas carried out terrorist attacks against Israel, and none of it's good. We've seen a media willing to carry out and push Hamas propaganda. We've seen people in America and Western countries take to the streets in support of terrorists, in support of Hamas. We've seen aa devaluing of human life when people don't see the moral clarity that is necessary to denounce and condemn evil when we see it. And evil, of course, is the slaughter of babies, the slaughter of women, the slaughter of elderly. So what does that say about society? Do we as the West and as America, do we no longer value human life? You look at a lot of this civilization, all issues that are happening right now. What does this mean for the future of the country. The best person to turn to, in my opinion and for these kinds of conversations is Victor Davis Hanson. Of course, everyone's very familiar with his work. He's a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He's brilliant. We all know that we've had him on the show before. We all watch him on Fox News. I mean, the man is brilliant, so I wanted to have him on the show to walk us through where we are as a country, as a people, where humanity is today with the anti Semitism that we're seeing around the country and around the world. We're also going to get into some other issues like what to do about Iran, why the media and the left are treating is real different than Ukraine, and a lot of other issues as well. But I think you're really going to enjoy this conversation. I know I learned a lot from it, and I hope you do too, So stay tuned for Victor Davis Hanson. Victor Davis Hanson, It's always an honor to have you on the show. You always have so much wisdom. Are certainly in some pretty scary times as a country and just in the world. Right now, we saw the media falsely blame Israel for a hospital bombing. Were originally told that five hundred Palestinians at the hospital in Gaza had been killed by an Israeli airstrike. Of course that turned out not to be true. Why was the media so eager to believe hamas propaganda?

We've learned a lot about civilization since Hamas carried out terrorist attacks against Israel, and none of it's good. We've seen a media willing to carry out and push Hamas propaganda. We've seen people in America and Western countries take to the streets in support of terrorists, in support of Hamas. We've seen aa devaluing of human life when people don't see the moral clarity that is necessary to denounce and condemn evil when we see it. And evil, of course, is the slaughter of babies, the slaughter of women, the slaughter of elderly. So what does that say about society? Do we as the West and as America, do we no longer value human life? You look at a lot of this civilization, all issues that are happening right now. What does this mean for the future of the country. The best person to turn to, in my opinion and for these kinds of conversations is Victor Davis Hanson. Of course, everyone's very familiar with his work. He's a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He's brilliant. We all know that we've had him on the show before. We all watch him on Fox News. I mean, the man is brilliant, so I wanted to have him on the show to walk us through where we are as a country, as a people, where humanity is today with the anti Semitism that we're seeing around the country and around the world. We're also going to get into some other issues like what to do about Iran, why the media and the left are treating is real different than Ukraine, and a lot of other issues as well. But I think you're really going to enjoy this conversation. I know I learned a lot from it, and I hope you do too, So stay tuned for Victor Davis Hanson. Victor Davis Hanson, It's always an honor to have you on the show. You always have so much wisdom. Are certainly in some pretty scary times as a country and just in the world. Right now, we saw the media falsely blame Israel for a hospital bombing. Were originally told that five hundred Palestinians at the hospital in Gaza had been killed by an Israeli airstrike. Of course that turned out not to be true. Why was the media so eager to believe hamas propaganda?

Well, I think the media if that could use that generic term is a product of the American left. It comes out of higher educations, journalism schools. In many cases, it's a bi coastal phenomenon, and they understand that to succeed in the New York Times or PBS or NPR or the Network News or any of these mainstream media outlets Reuter's ap you have to have a particular ideology, and it's kind of like an insurance policy and dimnity policy. And if you were to be conservative or interested or somewhat sympathetic to Israel, or at least not biased, then you're going to be in trouble. So I think that's part of it. And then the other sort of groupthink that it just gets to a narrative and then they go with it and it gets reaffirmed by on the campuses, the whole liberal infrastructure of corporate media, the corporate boardroom, entertainment, professional sports, K through twelve, the campus, all the foundations. All of these institutions are controlled by the center left or hard left, and they become something that people want to be a part of, and so you become a part of that by spreading these stories that confirm the narrative. That Western civilization is bad, America is bad, and Israel it is particularly bad because you have the added ingredient of anti Semitism. And it's pretty pretty. That story, Lisa, was very strange because if you follow the logic of it, it was so Islamic jihad was in a rivalry with Hamas, and it wanted to claim that it killed as many Jews as Hamas. So it began firing missiles as well towards civilian targets, which is a war crime without I mean, the idea phones people. It explains why it's doing what it is, but not the so called militants. And by the way, no one in the media uses the word jihadis terrorists. So when they were doing that, they missed or misfired, and they hit this hospital parking lot, and then they announced that the Israelis had done it with a bomb, even though there was no evidence of a crater, that the shrapnel from the rocket was of indigenous or Iranian or either Palestinian origin. There were tap everybody knows the script now, there were tap phone calls admissions of it, so that evidence was very quickly overwhelming. But what I was curious about is protests broke out all over the Middle East and here at home buying the humas Palestinian lie. But what had happened if the rocket hadn't to hit the hospital? In other words, what if these terrorists had just sent the rocket killed some people in Tel Aviv as was intended. There would have been no protest, there would have been no campus disruptions on that particular day. We wouldn't have been feeling guilty and handed over one hundred million dollars. And I know that sounds kind of crazy, But then Joe Biden, on the way back from the Middle East said the following, you know, it's just a problem. I don't think they meant to do it. It's the old thing, you got to shoot, Meaning if they had just shot straight like they intended, then I wouldn't be in this mess. They would have just killed some Jews and nobody care.

Well, I think the media if that could use that generic term is a product of the American left. It comes out of higher educations, journalism schools. In many cases, it's a bi coastal phenomenon, and they understand that to succeed in the New York Times or PBS or NPR or the Network News or any of these mainstream media outlets Reuter's ap you have to have a particular ideology, and it's kind of like an insurance policy and dimnity policy. And if you were to be conservative or interested or somewhat sympathetic to Israel, or at least not biased, then you're going to be in trouble. So I think that's part of it. And then the other sort of groupthink that it just gets to a narrative and then they go with it and it gets reaffirmed by on the campuses, the whole liberal infrastructure of corporate media, the corporate boardroom, entertainment, professional sports, K through twelve, the campus, all the foundations. All of these institutions are controlled by the center left or hard left, and they become something that people want to be a part of, and so you become a part of that by spreading these stories that confirm the narrative. That Western civilization is bad, America is bad, and Israel it is particularly bad because you have the added ingredient of anti Semitism. And it's pretty pretty. That story, Lisa, was very strange because if you follow the logic of it, it was so Islamic jihad was in a rivalry with Hamas, and it wanted to claim that it killed as many Jews as Hamas. So it began firing missiles as well towards civilian targets, which is a war crime without I mean, the idea phones people. It explains why it's doing what it is, but not the so called militants. And by the way, no one in the media uses the word jihadis terrorists. So when they were doing that, they missed or misfired, and they hit this hospital parking lot, and then they announced that the Israelis had done it with a bomb, even though there was no evidence of a crater, that the shrapnel from the rocket was of indigenous or Iranian or either Palestinian origin. There were tap everybody knows the script now, there were tap phone calls admissions of it, so that evidence was very quickly overwhelming. But what I was curious about is protests broke out all over the Middle East and here at home buying the humas Palestinian lie. But what had happened if the rocket hadn't to hit the hospital? In other words, what if these terrorists had just sent the rocket killed some people in Tel Aviv as was intended. There would have been no protest, there would have been no campus disruptions on that particular day. We wouldn't have been feeling guilty and handed over one hundred million dollars. And I know that sounds kind of crazy, But then Joe Biden, on the way back from the Middle East said the following, you know, it's just a problem. I don't think they meant to do it. It's the old thing, you got to shoot, Meaning if they had just shot straight like they intended, then I wouldn't be in this mess. They would have just killed some Jews and nobody care.

That was really frightening, you know, Victory, you talk about sort of this leftist ideology, the animosity towards Israel and really the animosity towards Jews. But we saw the torture of innocent people, you know, the slaughter of babies, the slaughter of women, the slaughter of elderly. If that's not enough to find moral clarity. Now, are we any different as a society from terrorists like Camas who don't value human life?

That was really frightening, you know, Victory, you talk about sort of this leftist ideology, the animosity towards Israel and really the animosity towards Jews. But we saw the torture of innocent people, you know, the slaughter of babies, the slaughter of women, the slaughter of elderly. If that's not enough to find moral clarity. Now, are we any different as a society from terrorists like Camas who don't value human life?

Well, when you say we, I mean that's a collective for three hundred and thirty million Americans. And I think I was just on online and I just saw a poll that said should you give money? And this was a local poll here in California on a website, and that said should we give money to a moss? And when you click on your preference, it gives you the immediate result, so very thousands of people and it was eighty three percent No. So what we're talking about, I think is a very vocal, high profile, but nevertheless small minority of people. And yes, you're right there, completely without moral bearings, and that's I think also that's amplified by our reaction as the host. They know there's no consequences, and when every rare occasion when there is a consequence, like we had the New York law student who was very adamant and bragging about her pro am moss, which was really a pro death stance. She was out in fatigues demonstrating, and then when this silk stalking law firm said you know, we're not going to hire you. She almost fell apart and it was almost a cause celeb and she was needed counseling. And I think that's part of it. We empower all of this, and we don't have to be vindictive. I think we really need to enforce our moral stance, our moral values, and we need to do it home. So if Joe Biden is going over to really kind of beg Jordan, which is an autocratic but pro American government but nevertheless gets a billion dollars, and Egypt gets over a billion dollars, and the Palestinians and aggregate get a billion dollars, and they say, we don't want to meet with you because we believe this outright lie. And even if it is an outright lie, which they knew it was, we're still not going to meet with you because we can't trust our own street. Then I don't think we need to get mad. We just need to say we're not going to give you any money. And if Guitar says, you know, we're going to have Hamas here and you're going to like it, I think we can have to say, well, we have twenty five other installations in the Middle East, but there's no need for us to have sentcom in your country, so we're not going to do it. And the same thing with our students. We just need to say, well, if you want to go out and protest and you want to support killers, then we're going to take a look at higher education. And if the president of Harvard, the president of Stanford can't make it a clear moral statement, and we're not asking you to make moral statements. That's been your custom and tradition that you make moral statements that are really not central to your educational mission. But if you want to do that, then we have to do certain reactions. And one of them was we're going to tax your endowments and we're going to take a sharp look at whether we need to subsidize student loans. We think that you should do it. You have a particular ideology. You're not fond of the mainstream America. You take those huge endowments and you back your student loans yourself, and at they default, you have the moral hazard. I think if we just did that, we would see a sharp change in behavior. So we've empowered this. I think it's through laxity or fear. But we've allowed a small minority here and a large minority a majority abroad, to have the wrong impression of us that we're weak, we're a moral like they are, and we can't do anything about it, and we need to stop that.

Well, when you say we, I mean that's a collective for three hundred and thirty million Americans. And I think I was just on online and I just saw a poll that said should you give money? And this was a local poll here in California on a website, and that said should we give money to a moss? And when you click on your preference, it gives you the immediate result, so very thousands of people and it was eighty three percent No. So what we're talking about, I think is a very vocal, high profile, but nevertheless small minority of people. And yes, you're right there, completely without moral bearings, and that's I think also that's amplified by our reaction as the host. They know there's no consequences, and when every rare occasion when there is a consequence, like we had the New York law student who was very adamant and bragging about her pro am moss, which was really a pro death stance. She was out in fatigues demonstrating, and then when this silk stalking law firm said you know, we're not going to hire you. She almost fell apart and it was almost a cause celeb and she was needed counseling. And I think that's part of it. We empower all of this, and we don't have to be vindictive. I think we really need to enforce our moral stance, our moral values, and we need to do it home. So if Joe Biden is going over to really kind of beg Jordan, which is an autocratic but pro American government but nevertheless gets a billion dollars, and Egypt gets over a billion dollars, and the Palestinians and aggregate get a billion dollars, and they say, we don't want to meet with you because we believe this outright lie. And even if it is an outright lie, which they knew it was, we're still not going to meet with you because we can't trust our own street. Then I don't think we need to get mad. We just need to say we're not going to give you any money. And if Guitar says, you know, we're going to have Hamas here and you're going to like it, I think we can have to say, well, we have twenty five other installations in the Middle East, but there's no need for us to have sentcom in your country, so we're not going to do it. And the same thing with our students. We just need to say, well, if you want to go out and protest and you want to support killers, then we're going to take a look at higher education. And if the president of Harvard, the president of Stanford can't make it a clear moral statement, and we're not asking you to make moral statements. That's been your custom and tradition that you make moral statements that are really not central to your educational mission. But if you want to do that, then we have to do certain reactions. And one of them was we're going to tax your endowments and we're going to take a sharp look at whether we need to subsidize student loans. We think that you should do it. You have a particular ideology. You're not fond of the mainstream America. You take those huge endowments and you back your student loans yourself, and at they default, you have the moral hazard. I think if we just did that, we would see a sharp change in behavior. So we've empowered this. I think it's through laxity or fear. But we've allowed a small minority here and a large minority a majority abroad, to have the wrong impression of us that we're weak, we're a moral like they are, and we can't do anything about it, and we need to stop that.

But I guess, you know, I'm pro life, and so I look at even the movement on abortion from safe, legal and rare to up until the moment of birth, and it just feels like, as a society, we don't value human life anymore. And that is a big differentiating factor between us and you know terrorist groups or this, you know, radical Islamic, you know religions, right, is that they don't believe in the sanctity of life, And I just I wonder if we do anymore as a society.

But I guess, you know, I'm pro life, and so I look at even the movement on abortion from safe, legal and rare to up until the moment of birth, and it just feels like, as a society, we don't value human life anymore. And that is a big differentiating factor between us and you know terrorist groups or this, you know, radical Islamic, you know religions, right, is that they don't believe in the sanctity of life, And I just I wonder if we do anymore as a society.

I think you made a good point. We're getting to that point. But I was watching a video of the killers yesterday. These are the fifteen hundred that went in slaughtered Jews. Not only were they killers and they reveled in killing, but when one of them got wounded, they just left him on the field. In other words, they went over there and they just shrugged and said, you know what, leave him to the Jews. And we don't do that on our military, and we don't do what Hamas does as a collective society, we don't allow that. But I think your worry is founded that when you allow eight to ten thousand partial birth abortion, that's kind of a euphemism killing a fetus a baby and considering it just a fetus that you would kill. Then that has an incremental effect on a courseing of society. And when there's no consequences at all to this pro death movement in the Middle East, then there's consequences and it spreads, and so I think we're in a kind of a civil war as far as our values are concerned. We have a strong, well funded minority that is trying to impose its values on us. And you're right, it's a moral and it says to us if biological males say, at this given time they're women, they're going to have a right to undress in front of preteen girls in locker rooms, or destroy fifth half century of work, to have parody among women and males sports, and there's nothing we can do about Well, there is something we can do about it, and we can't let these people hijack our culture and then impose their values on the rest of us. Every time that people kind of in a disjointed fashion, even push back, whether it's Anheuser Busch or Disney or Target or against the campuses, they react. They can't fit. They kind of melt down, and you can see that the power is with the majority. But we haven't. We've kind of, I don't know what it is, a monastery of the mind. We kind of just withdraw. Well. I can't deal with these people. They're so terrible. I'm going to move to Tennessee or Texas if you're in California, or I'm not going to watch the oscars. I never watch the NBA anymore, and that I homeschool put. That's a legitimate reaction to the madness, but it's not going to stop the madness. We have to engage, gauge these people.

I think you made a good point. We're getting to that point. But I was watching a video of the killers yesterday. These are the fifteen hundred that went in slaughtered Jews. Not only were they killers and they reveled in killing, but when one of them got wounded, they just left him on the field. In other words, they went over there and they just shrugged and said, you know what, leave him to the Jews. And we don't do that on our military, and we don't do what Hamas does as a collective society, we don't allow that. But I think your worry is founded that when you allow eight to ten thousand partial birth abortion, that's kind of a euphemism killing a fetus a baby and considering it just a fetus that you would kill. Then that has an incremental effect on a courseing of society. And when there's no consequences at all to this pro death movement in the Middle East, then there's consequences and it spreads, and so I think we're in a kind of a civil war as far as our values are concerned. We have a strong, well funded minority that is trying to impose its values on us. And you're right, it's a moral and it says to us if biological males say, at this given time they're women, they're going to have a right to undress in front of preteen girls in locker rooms, or destroy fifth half century of work, to have parody among women and males sports, and there's nothing we can do about Well, there is something we can do about it, and we can't let these people hijack our culture and then impose their values on the rest of us. Every time that people kind of in a disjointed fashion, even push back, whether it's Anheuser Busch or Disney or Target or against the campuses, they react. They can't fit. They kind of melt down, and you can see that the power is with the majority. But we haven't. We've kind of, I don't know what it is, a monastery of the mind. We kind of just withdraw. Well. I can't deal with these people. They're so terrible. I'm going to move to Tennessee or Texas if you're in California, or I'm not going to watch the oscars. I never watch the NBA anymore, and that I homeschool put. That's a legitimate reaction to the madness, but it's not going to stop the madness. We have to engage, gauge these people.

I am guilty of that because I did leave New York City for Floor.

I am guilty of that because I did leave New York City for Floor.

Yeah, I am too, and I live out in a farm and I work in Stanford, but I won't live in that community. It's just insane and the campus is insane, and I try to be there. I try to fulfill my duties according to my contract, but I don't spend one extra second on that campus, even though I graduate graduated from there, and my mother graduated, my aunt did. But I have nothing but contempt for it. I don't mean that me mean way. I just mean that the hierarchy. I like the students, some of the faculty. I like the idea of Stanford Medical School, and they do a lot of good, but not the way it is manifested. Now.

Yeah, I am too, and I live out in a farm and I work in Stanford, but I won't live in that community. It's just insane and the campus is insane, and I try to be there. I try to fulfill my duties according to my contract, but I don't spend one extra second on that campus, even though I graduate graduated from there, and my mother graduated, my aunt did. But I have nothing but contempt for it. I don't mean that me mean way. I just mean that the hierarchy. I like the students, some of the faculty. I like the idea of Stanford Medical School, and they do a lot of good, but not the way it is manifested. Now.

You know, Biden on Twitter keeps trying to draw a line between the Palestinians versus Hamas, But you know, you look at Hamas was elected to power in two thousand and six. You can look at polling as recently as twenty twenty one after that conflict, where the majority of Palestinians supported Hamas. You can look at some of the things that young children are taught. You can look at the fact that, you know, even teens have been a part of, you know, the slaughter of Jews, Palestinian teens. So I mean, should we delineate between the two or are they one of the same.

You know, Biden on Twitter keeps trying to draw a line between the Palestinians versus Hamas, But you know, you look at Hamas was elected to power in two thousand and six. You can look at polling as recently as twenty twenty one after that conflict, where the majority of Palestinians supported Hamas. You can look at some of the things that young children are taught. You can look at the fact that, you know, even teens have been a part of, you know, the slaughter of Jews, Palestinian teens. So I mean, should we delineate between the two or are they one of the same.

No, they're one and the same. I mean, And you can see that with these horrific videos that are just now starting to appear in number that when they brought back the corpse of an Israeli girl, or a tank, a person out of a tank, or there were captives and there were crowds surging on them, or even when there was a hole in the fence and crowds started to follow the killers, there was complete support nobody. I didn't see anybody in the crowd say please, don't mutilate that poor dead girl. They were eager to do it. And you have the same idea out here when you see people that are first and even second generation from the West Bank or Gaza and their prote they're not saying stop the violence. They're talking about Palestine to the sea, the elimination, and that means the destruction all Israelis. So there is no difference. And why do we say there is, because the enormity of the truth is incomprehensible to our elite. What would that entail, Lisa, If you said there was no difference, you would say that large segments of the Middle East despise Western culture. They are hypocritical. They want our technology, they want our wealth, but they don't want the processes and the foundations that create it. They're pre civilizational in some cases, and we should not engage with them. We shouldn't be giving money to them, We shouldn't allow them to come over here. And you use our platforms, our universities with student visas or green cards, and then trash the very system that host them. It is kind of strange. You see, what we've created is kind of a monstrosity where somebody from the Middle East flees Syria or Iraq or Lebanon or the West Bank or Gaza and they want to come here and they say they're refugees, and that means we have to flee the dictators. We have to flee the sexism, we have to flee the violence, we have to free the poverty, we have to flee the corruption the state runs socialism. We want to come where it's not there. And once we get here, we guarantee you that from a safe distance and given your magnanimity, we're going to champion everything we left. And that's what they're doing. And we say, okay, it's fine, just trash us. We're not going to try to assimilate, integrate you in American customs and values. We have no civic education, and that's we created this Franket I know, and we created a Frankensteinian monsters.

No, they're one and the same. I mean, And you can see that with these horrific videos that are just now starting to appear in number that when they brought back the corpse of an Israeli girl, or a tank, a person out of a tank, or there were captives and there were crowds surging on them, or even when there was a hole in the fence and crowds started to follow the killers, there was complete support nobody. I didn't see anybody in the crowd say please, don't mutilate that poor dead girl. They were eager to do it. And you have the same idea out here when you see people that are first and even second generation from the West Bank or Gaza and their prote they're not saying stop the violence. They're talking about Palestine to the sea, the elimination, and that means the destruction all Israelis. So there is no difference. And why do we say there is, because the enormity of the truth is incomprehensible to our elite. What would that entail, Lisa, If you said there was no difference, you would say that large segments of the Middle East despise Western culture. They are hypocritical. They want our technology, they want our wealth, but they don't want the processes and the foundations that create it. They're pre civilizational in some cases, and we should not engage with them. We shouldn't be giving money to them, We shouldn't allow them to come over here. And you use our platforms, our universities with student visas or green cards, and then trash the very system that host them. It is kind of strange. You see, what we've created is kind of a monstrosity where somebody from the Middle East flees Syria or Iraq or Lebanon or the West Bank or Gaza and they want to come here and they say they're refugees, and that means we have to flee the dictators. We have to flee the sexism, we have to flee the violence, we have to free the poverty, we have to flee the corruption the state runs socialism. We want to come where it's not there. And once we get here, we guarantee you that from a safe distance and given your magnanimity, we're going to champion everything we left. And that's what they're doing. And we say, okay, it's fine, just trash us. We're not going to try to assimilate, integrate you in American customs and values. We have no civic education, and that's we created this Franket I know, and we created a Frankensteinian monsters.

What does that mean for it?

What does that mean for it?

It means that half the country has no faith in America. They believe, they believe sixteen nineteen was the foundational date. They renamed streets. They just do whatever they want on the premise, on the premise that there is still enough people who are going to create a free market and sustain it and a constitutional system and the rule of law, and it's going to be therefore a prosperous place and relatively safe, and that they're not going to the left completely take over. And now what's weird about it is the left, for the first time in my lifetime, has almost completely taken over. They've defunded the police, They've made our downtowns unlivable, They've led an eight million illegal aliens, and that is starting to affect the architects themselves a bi coastal elite. And it's almost as if they're saying to us, and you can really see it with a shock of a lot of left wing people in the Democratic Party think, Wow, these people to leave the squad. These people hate us us, they hate America. And so we've allowed it to go on so long that now for the first time in my life and think maybe yours. It's starting to affect the very way we live. The safety of our travel, the ability to go to a downtown, the assurance that if somebody hits you on the street, they will be prosecuted. The idea that an education that you go to a college it was memocratic. The students will all be of a particular level of competence, the faculty can maintain a certain level of rigor. And that's not true anymore. And it's starting to filter down to every aspect of society. That's what I'm most worried about. There's a breakdown of civilization and brought on by this. I don't want to have the United States work on the principles I see in Gaza are even in Europe.

It means that half the country has no faith in America. They believe, they believe sixteen nineteen was the foundational date. They renamed streets. They just do whatever they want on the premise, on the premise that there is still enough people who are going to create a free market and sustain it and a constitutional system and the rule of law, and it's going to be therefore a prosperous place and relatively safe, and that they're not going to the left completely take over. And now what's weird about it is the left, for the first time in my lifetime, has almost completely taken over. They've defunded the police, They've made our downtowns unlivable, They've led an eight million illegal aliens, and that is starting to affect the architects themselves a bi coastal elite. And it's almost as if they're saying to us, and you can really see it with a shock of a lot of left wing people in the Democratic Party think, Wow, these people to leave the squad. These people hate us us, they hate America. And so we've allowed it to go on so long that now for the first time in my life and think maybe yours. It's starting to affect the very way we live. The safety of our travel, the ability to go to a downtown, the assurance that if somebody hits you on the street, they will be prosecuted. The idea that an education that you go to a college it was memocratic. The students will all be of a particular level of competence, the faculty can maintain a certain level of rigor. And that's not true anymore. And it's starting to filter down to every aspect of society. That's what I'm most worried about. There's a breakdown of civilization and brought on by this. I don't want to have the United States work on the principles I see in Gaza are even in Europe.

Let's take a quick commercial break more with Victor Davis Hansen on the other side. You know, the left likes to talk about things like decolonization. You know, what is the end objective with that?

Let's take a quick commercial break more with Victor Davis Hansen on the other side. You know, the left likes to talk about things like decolonization. You know, what is the end objective with that?

For some of these people, when they say decolonization, it's a it's a part of room, it's a faculty lounge trope. I mean decolonization would mean the removal of all Western traces from supposedly superior indigenous places. So take the Middle East. You would go back to what the Ottomans had, the Ottoman Empire that controlled the whole Middle East for four hundred years, or the Khaliphate before that, and we know what that is. There would be a harem, there would be no rights for women, there would be stoning of gays, you'd live by Sharia law, and there would be no pre market. And the only place in the Middle East, and I think I've been to every single country, with the exception of Iran and maybe one Gulf state, the only place that works are the wealthy golf sheet and they only work because they inherit import thousands of workers to do their work, but more importantly, thousands of Western contractors, architects, doctors, lawyers to run their system for them and everywhere else. To the degree that it's not Western, it's a mess. And that mess would be everywhere if they decolonized, if that's the term they prefer to use, and they know it, they wouldn't be able to do what they do. So you take representative to leave, and she's screaming and yelling and perpetuating this lie. And incidentally, I thought Merrick Garland established a principle if you disrupt a session of Congress or you occupy the rotunda and you're an elected official and you egg that on, then you're going to be subject to severe felonies convictions if you're guilty. But nevertheless, does she really believe she could go back to Gaza as a woman and stand up on a corner and start damming the gun men of Amas and saying, you know what, you don't give women rights and you're corrupt, and you haven't brought sewer and water and powers you prompt They would execute her. She knows that she only does that.

For some of these people, when they say decolonization, it's a it's a part of room, it's a faculty lounge trope. I mean decolonization would mean the removal of all Western traces from supposedly superior indigenous places. So take the Middle East. You would go back to what the Ottomans had, the Ottoman Empire that controlled the whole Middle East for four hundred years, or the Khaliphate before that, and we know what that is. There would be a harem, there would be no rights for women, there would be stoning of gays, you'd live by Sharia law, and there would be no pre market. And the only place in the Middle East, and I think I've been to every single country, with the exception of Iran and maybe one Gulf state, the only place that works are the wealthy golf sheet and they only work because they inherit import thousands of workers to do their work, but more importantly, thousands of Western contractors, architects, doctors, lawyers to run their system for them and everywhere else. To the degree that it's not Western, it's a mess. And that mess would be everywhere if they decolonized, if that's the term they prefer to use, and they know it, they wouldn't be able to do what they do. So you take representative to leave, and she's screaming and yelling and perpetuating this lie. And incidentally, I thought Merrick Garland established a principle if you disrupt a session of Congress or you occupy the rotunda and you're an elected official and you egg that on, then you're going to be subject to severe felonies convictions if you're guilty. But nevertheless, does she really believe she could go back to Gaza as a woman and stand up on a corner and start damming the gun men of Amas and saying, you know what, you don't give women rights and you're corrupt, and you haven't brought sewer and water and powers you prompt They would execute her. She knows that she only does that.

It's the hierary of it because you look at you know, people queers for Palestine or transfer Palestine, and these people would be murdered there. It's like, are they just that ignorant or what is the disconnects her?

It's the hierary of it because you look at you know, people queers for Palestine or transfer Palestine, and these people would be murdered there. It's like, are they just that ignorant or what is the disconnects her?

Yes, they are ignorant. They don't go there to lead, doesn't go over to Gaza, and they none of those people want to go back. And in fact, the one thing that Donald Trump did, if you remember, that got people the most furious. He did a lot of things that were really good that really irritated the left, but the worst was he issued a travel band almost immediately on. I think it was eight countries that practiced terrorism, and about five of them were from the Middle East, and they went ballistic because they understood that there's a whole gravy train of visiting fellowships, foundation scholarships, student visas, a whole gravy train for people from these illiberal societies to come over here and then be pets or ponds or court gesters to our left and make a lot of money or at least have a lifestyle impossible where they came from. And you know, it's almost like, well, please come over here and attack us. We enjoy it. And so yeah, they're ignorant, and our people are ignorant. They don't go over there, they don't live there, and once the second generation comes, they don't want to go back. And it's all predicated. The rest of us will keep creating this system, ignore the criticism, try to maintain two hundred and thirty two years of constitutional custom and tradition, and therefore they will have prosperity, freedom and security and will that means the margin of era is so great that they have the luxury to trash the very system that they prosper onder and it gets very frustrating for the rest of us to watch it. And at some point some people are going to say, I'm not going to do it anymore. And I think that we're reaching that point. It's very frustrating. Sir.

Yes, they are ignorant. They don't go there to lead, doesn't go over to Gaza, and they none of those people want to go back. And in fact, the one thing that Donald Trump did, if you remember, that got people the most furious. He did a lot of things that were really good that really irritated the left, but the worst was he issued a travel band almost immediately on. I think it was eight countries that practiced terrorism, and about five of them were from the Middle East, and they went ballistic because they understood that there's a whole gravy train of visiting fellowships, foundation scholarships, student visas, a whole gravy train for people from these illiberal societies to come over here and then be pets or ponds or court gesters to our left and make a lot of money or at least have a lifestyle impossible where they came from. And you know, it's almost like, well, please come over here and attack us. We enjoy it. And so yeah, they're ignorant, and our people are ignorant. They don't go over there, they don't live there, and once the second generation comes, they don't want to go back. And it's all predicated. The rest of us will keep creating this system, ignore the criticism, try to maintain two hundred and thirty two years of constitutional custom and tradition, and therefore they will have prosperity, freedom and security and will that means the margin of era is so great that they have the luxury to trash the very system that they prosper onder and it gets very frustrating for the rest of us to watch it. And at some point some people are going to say, I'm not going to do it anymore. And I think that we're reaching that point. It's very frustrating. Sir.

I mean, I think we're all very concerned about just the instability that has taking place so quickly under this administration. What do we do about Iran? Sir, I mean, I mean, obviously, you know, Biden, you know, created this this monster. But you know, what do we do about Iran? And you know where does this head regionally in the Middle East.

I mean, I think we're all very concerned about just the instability that has taking place so quickly under this administration. What do we do about Iran? Sir, I mean, I mean, obviously, you know, Biden, you know, created this this monster. But you know, what do we do about Iran? And you know where does this head regionally in the Middle East.

Half of me says, if you're going to protest on behalf of Hamas, which is an Iranranian subsidized pond, and you're an Arab Sunni nation and you know that Iran hates you, then that's your problem. We're not going to help you anymore. We're not going to give That's half of me. The other half says, Look, Iran is going to get the bomb, and when it does, it's going to strike Israel or a European country or US, and we've got it to deal with it, and we've got to accept the fact that Barack Obama created this problem. Even under Clinton, we didn't do what he did. He had a notion of creating an Iranian Shia crescent that meant Iran was going to be empowered the Assads Hesbalah Lebanon Amas, and that would create I guess he called it at one point creative tension in the Middle East, and we would tell the Gulf shecdoms that were pro American and Israel, we're going to withdraw now, and every time you do something that we don't like, we're going to let this new crescent press back or push on you. And every time you don't like it will allow you and then we'll have this creative ying and yang. That's what they did, and Iran, of course took that magnanimity as weakness to be exploited. And the next thing we knew, this administration came in in that tradition and they allowed the sanctions to fall and then they got already to fifty billion dollars of oil revenue they had. We bought hostages with ransom money. I think we'll still probably do it at one point two billion scheduled to be paid per hostage with sanctioned relief money, and we put this Robert Molly, who was a scoundrel and pro Iranian and from under FBI investigation now fired. Ahead of the Rand deal. We let John Kerry during the Trump administration with a lot of misadventures all over the globe, meeting Iranians, which is probably illegal, to perpetuate this Iran deal. And so they took all of this and they considered. They concluded that we were weak, there was no deterrence, and they were ready to do something. And then they looked at Afghanistan. They looked at what Biden had said about he wouldn't react to a Russian invasion if it was a minor one. They looked at the Chinese balloon, They looked at our open border. They looked at the George Floyd one hundred and twenty Days of Mayhem, and they said to themselves, these people not only appeased us, but they have no deterrence left. So they got together about a year ago with Amos and they said, you know what, there's some other reasons as well. We want to stop this Abrams Accord nonsense. Israel's got internal divisions there. People are not showing up for IDF recalls for reservists. So this is a perfect time to go in and murder Jews because the West is morally bankrupt and is afraid of us, and that's what happened. So now we have to restore de terrence. And I think in the sane world, Biden put is putting two aircraft carriers there right off the coast. They will be right off the coast of Lebanon. They're a big, fat target, and yet they have the most powerful response ability of any force in the world. They've got about one hundred and fifty planes, f thirty five, sixteens, fifteen's, they've got frigate, They've got the ability to destroy Hasbelah, and they have the ability to take out all of Iran's nuclear capability, and if it wanted to be punitive, takeout it's water, it's sewage, and its infrastructure power. And they just sit there and now it's up to Iran and if Iran wants to hit them or do, we'll see what Biden does.

Half of me says, if you're going to protest on behalf of Hamas, which is an Iranranian subsidized pond, and you're an Arab Sunni nation and you know that Iran hates you, then that's your problem. We're not going to help you anymore. We're not going to give That's half of me. The other half says, Look, Iran is going to get the bomb, and when it does, it's going to strike Israel or a European country or US, and we've got it to deal with it, and we've got to accept the fact that Barack Obama created this problem. Even under Clinton, we didn't do what he did. He had a notion of creating an Iranian Shia crescent that meant Iran was going to be empowered the Assads Hesbalah Lebanon Amas, and that would create I guess he called it at one point creative tension in the Middle East, and we would tell the Gulf shecdoms that were pro American and Israel, we're going to withdraw now, and every time you do something that we don't like, we're going to let this new crescent press back or push on you. And every time you don't like it will allow you and then we'll have this creative ying and yang. That's what they did, and Iran, of course took that magnanimity as weakness to be exploited. And the next thing we knew, this administration came in in that tradition and they allowed the sanctions to fall and then they got already to fifty billion dollars of oil revenue they had. We bought hostages with ransom money. I think we'll still probably do it at one point two billion scheduled to be paid per hostage with sanctioned relief money, and we put this Robert Molly, who was a scoundrel and pro Iranian and from under FBI investigation now fired. Ahead of the Rand deal. We let John Kerry during the Trump administration with a lot of misadventures all over the globe, meeting Iranians, which is probably illegal, to perpetuate this Iran deal. And so they took all of this and they considered. They concluded that we were weak, there was no deterrence, and they were ready to do something. And then they looked at Afghanistan. They looked at what Biden had said about he wouldn't react to a Russian invasion if it was a minor one. They looked at the Chinese balloon, They looked at our open border. They looked at the George Floyd one hundred and twenty Days of Mayhem, and they said to themselves, these people not only appeased us, but they have no deterrence left. So they got together about a year ago with Amos and they said, you know what, there's some other reasons as well. We want to stop this Abrams Accord nonsense. Israel's got internal divisions there. People are not showing up for IDF recalls for reservists. So this is a perfect time to go in and murder Jews because the West is morally bankrupt and is afraid of us, and that's what happened. So now we have to restore de terrence. And I think in the sane world, Biden put is putting two aircraft carriers there right off the coast. They will be right off the coast of Lebanon. They're a big, fat target, and yet they have the most powerful response ability of any force in the world. They've got about one hundred and fifty planes, f thirty five, sixteens, fifteen's, they've got frigate, They've got the ability to destroy Hasbelah, and they have the ability to take out all of Iran's nuclear capability, and if it wanted to be punitive, takeout it's water, it's sewage, and its infrastructure power. And they just sit there and now it's up to Iran and if Iran wants to hit them or do, we'll see what Biden does.

Why do you think, you know, because obviously you know, we weren't able to deter Russia from invading Ukraine either, and we're seeing a totally different treatment of Israel than we did Ukraine and we have Ukraine, right. I mean, you don't hear the media and the left call for you know, Ukraine to engage in a ceasefire. Yet we hear some of those calls. So why is that so disproportionate? You know what's behind that?

Why do you think, you know, because obviously you know, we weren't able to deter Russia from invading Ukraine either, and we're seeing a totally different treatment of Israel than we did Ukraine and we have Ukraine, right. I mean, you don't hear the media and the left call for you know, Ukraine to engage in a ceasefire. Yet we hear some of those calls. So why is that so disproportionate? You know what's behind that?

I wrote something the other day about it. I mean, we say to the world, don't worry about Russia's seven thousand nuks, they never use them. Then we say, worry about Iran. It might start something. We have to be careful. We say, stop this cycle of violence, don't be purport. You have to be proportionate in Israel. Then we tell Ukraine keep fighting to on to Moscow. You have to be disproportionate. You have to hit them with everything you had. We're going to give you everything. We say to Israel, you better be as constitutional net Yahoo, don't trample on civil liberties. Then we say to Zilinski, it's okay, you just suspended martial law. There is no freedom, there's no elections, you suspend them. That's fine. And I could go on, but as you pointed out, there's this asymmetry and why is it. Well, one is there's a systematic I think a anti Semitism among our elite number two in a weird way. The left, it had fixated on Russia under Obama, and Hillary had the reset. She pushed the reset button. They appeased Putin, They appeased him, they appeased him. They said that George Bush had gone too hard with sanctions on them because of the invasion of Georgia in two thousand and eight, and they were going to They put Mike mcfawl over there, his ambassador. They were going to appeal to the better angels of Russia's nature, and they just snubbed them. They hated them. They treated that weakness as a proof of that America was decon and Putin just he went to Obama and as Obama said, I cut a deal with him. We were going to dismantle all of our missile defense with Poland and the checks, and then he was going to promise to behave during my election. And we did that and he behaved. But then after the bargain was over, he invaded Crime and he invaded the Dombasset. We did do nothing, and so they got really angry that Putin. They had reached out to him, and they appeased him and then all of a sudden, he humiliated them and he gobbled up all this stuff, and then he did the same thing with Biden. And then there was a final I think Tessa and the sick mosaic, and that was they had convinced themselves that now that they had been humiliated by reaching out and being slapped down by Putin, that he was evil incarnate. He's a bad guy, and therefore he was involved with Russian collusion, and he tried to hurt Hillary and that failed. And then they tried the Russian disinformation right before the election to help Biden in the debate. Remember he was going to the fifty one intelligence authorities and all that, and that worked. I think it did affect the debate, maybe the election, but it was puven got complete lie and both in the impeachments. If there was a foundational narrative that Trump was also a traitor or Putin, that failed that narrative, and now they finally think, you know what Russia is, what we always told you, it's evil, as if anybody disagreed, always a Trumpian, and now we're going to prove to you by empowering Ukraine, and it's going to destroy this Russia and therefore the collusion and disinformation and all this conspiracy stuff that we said was true. After all, that's part of it.

I wrote something the other day about it. I mean, we say to the world, don't worry about Russia's seven thousand nuks, they never use them. Then we say, worry about Iran. It might start something. We have to be careful. We say, stop this cycle of violence, don't be purport. You have to be proportionate in Israel. Then we tell Ukraine keep fighting to on to Moscow. You have to be disproportionate. You have to hit them with everything you had. We're going to give you everything. We say to Israel, you better be as constitutional net Yahoo, don't trample on civil liberties. Then we say to Zilinski, it's okay, you just suspended martial law. There is no freedom, there's no elections, you suspend them. That's fine. And I could go on, but as you pointed out, there's this asymmetry and why is it. Well, one is there's a systematic I think a anti Semitism among our elite number two in a weird way. The left, it had fixated on Russia under Obama, and Hillary had the reset. She pushed the reset button. They appeased Putin, They appeased him, they appeased him. They said that George Bush had gone too hard with sanctions on them because of the invasion of Georgia in two thousand and eight, and they were going to They put Mike mcfawl over there, his ambassador. They were going to appeal to the better angels of Russia's nature, and they just snubbed them. They hated them. They treated that weakness as a proof of that America was decon and Putin just he went to Obama and as Obama said, I cut a deal with him. We were going to dismantle all of our missile defense with Poland and the checks, and then he was going to promise to behave during my election. And we did that and he behaved. But then after the bargain was over, he invaded Crime and he invaded the Dombasset. We did do nothing, and so they got really angry that Putin. They had reached out to him, and they appeased him and then all of a sudden, he humiliated them and he gobbled up all this stuff, and then he did the same thing with Biden. And then there was a final I think Tessa and the sick mosaic, and that was they had convinced themselves that now that they had been humiliated by reaching out and being slapped down by Putin, that he was evil incarnate. He's a bad guy, and therefore he was involved with Russian collusion, and he tried to hurt Hillary and that failed. And then they tried the Russian disinformation right before the election to help Biden in the debate. Remember he was going to the fifty one intelligence authorities and all that, and that worked. I think it did affect the debate, maybe the election, but it was puven got complete lie and both in the impeachments. If there was a foundational narrative that Trump was also a traitor or Putin, that failed that narrative, and now they finally think, you know what Russia is, what we always told you, it's evil, as if anybody disagreed, always a Trumpian, and now we're going to prove to you by empowering Ukraine, and it's going to destroy this Russia and therefore the collusion and disinformation and all this conspiracy stuff that we said was true. After all, that's part of it.

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I wanted to, you know, even in all of this, you know, this conversation that we're having everything going wrong in the country, in the world. I worry that people are underestimating Democrats' chances. You know, I worry that Trump might just have too much baggage to be able to win, that he might alienate more than then you look at what's going on the House, Why would anyone trust us to lead?

I wanted to, you know, even in all of this, you know, this conversation that we're having everything going wrong in the country, in the world. I worry that people are underestimating Democrats' chances. You know, I worry that Trump might just have too much baggage to be able to win, that he might alienate more than then you look at what's going on the House, Why would anyone trust us to lead?

You know, I don't know who's worse. The Matt Gates wing that stopped that stopped Kevin McCarthy, and they made it they said, he talks to the Democrats, therefore we're going to remove him because we're going to work with the Democrats to remove him. Or the Rhino group who said, because you got to do that, we're going to get to do it. And just they're just taking this slim one half of one third of government and they're throwing it away. And that's really disturbing. And then when I talk to people, you talk to people in the Trump group, and you say to them, listen, these people are serious. There's four of them, and they're going to indict Donald Trump. They have and they said they would never do that. And then they're going to get a left wing jury, a left wing prosecutor, a left wing judge, and they're going to convict him because they've destroyed jurisprudence as we know it. But what are you going to do about it? Do you have a legal strategy? Have you researched? And the answer is they don't know what to do. All they want to do is raise money for another one hundred and fifty million dollars of legal defenses. And so I don't think that people quite understand that Donald Trump will have gag orders, he will be maybe in jail. Will he pardon himself he was elected, Will he be able to campaign on parole? We don't know, but they the party is frozen right now. And then we have all of these candidates, and to be Frank Lisa, there's only two that have a chance, and that's Desanta's and Haley, and they're very different candidates. I mean, there's a chance to be number two. And in case something happens with Trump, apparent I'm just going on the polls, not my own inclination, And it's basically a question of can Ron de Santis, who is not as charismatic as Haley but has a better record I think of administration and enacting a conservative agenda. Can he appeal to the three or four percent that Trump could not and you can call them whatever you want, swing voters, independent, suburban moms, but and he can bring I think he can deliver the megabase. And then can Haley, who appeals to that three or four percent and the republic Can she win the magabase? And I'm not sure she can, but we need to see that needs to be adjudicated to see which of the candidates can unite the party and whether Donald Trump will be viable. But when Trump refuses to debate and won't engage in the political process and you have all these peripheral candidates on the stage, it's kind of the executive counterpart to the speaker mess. It's just chaos. And what we again, what we really need is a debate about who best can you unify every element of the Republican Party to stop this socialist madness that's in power right now, and we're not getting that conversation. We're not getting that debate. We're just getting a bunch of guys on the stage virtue signaling, yelling, screaming. You know, I have nothing against Tim Scott or Chris Christy or Mike pinn around Aswami, but they're not going to be president. And they've already shown us their abilities if you want to make them a cabinet minister or you know, I don't know, vice president. So we don't need that show to go on. And we have two candidates that have risen in the polls, and let's have Donald Trump join the debates and all three of them show us what they can do, and then they can argue back and forth whether Trump is going to be viable or not given his legal jeopardies. And I think that's the only thing that we have to do. We have to do it soon. But we're not doing it. We're just saying, Oh, Trump is just going to go through all these legal He's going to be in court almost every day. I think he's going to be in court from now until the election every week in one of these four jurisdictions by intent. And I don't think that DeSantis and Haiti will have a platform where they can air their differences and show the Republican Party two different views of of the Trump legacy, if that's what you want to call it. And so we're not getting a resolution, just like the speaker, and yeah, I'm really worried about it.

You know, I don't know who's worse. The Matt Gates wing that stopped that stopped Kevin McCarthy, and they made it they said, he talks to the Democrats, therefore we're going to remove him because we're going to work with the Democrats to remove him. Or the Rhino group who said, because you got to do that, we're going to get to do it. And just they're just taking this slim one half of one third of government and they're throwing it away. And that's really disturbing. And then when I talk to people, you talk to people in the Trump group, and you say to them, listen, these people are serious. There's four of them, and they're going to indict Donald Trump. They have and they said they would never do that. And then they're going to get a left wing jury, a left wing prosecutor, a left wing judge, and they're going to convict him because they've destroyed jurisprudence as we know it. But what are you going to do about it? Do you have a legal strategy? Have you researched? And the answer is they don't know what to do. All they want to do is raise money for another one hundred and fifty million dollars of legal defenses. And so I don't think that people quite understand that Donald Trump will have gag orders, he will be maybe in jail. Will he pardon himself he was elected, Will he be able to campaign on parole? We don't know, but they the party is frozen right now. And then we have all of these candidates, and to be Frank Lisa, there's only two that have a chance, and that's Desanta's and Haley, and they're very different candidates. I mean, there's a chance to be number two. And in case something happens with Trump, apparent I'm just going on the polls, not my own inclination, And it's basically a question of can Ron de Santis, who is not as charismatic as Haley but has a better record I think of administration and enacting a conservative agenda. Can he appeal to the three or four percent that Trump could not and you can call them whatever you want, swing voters, independent, suburban moms, but and he can bring I think he can deliver the megabase. And then can Haley, who appeals to that three or four percent and the republic Can she win the magabase? And I'm not sure she can, but we need to see that needs to be adjudicated to see which of the candidates can unite the party and whether Donald Trump will be viable. But when Trump refuses to debate and won't engage in the political process and you have all these peripheral candidates on the stage, it's kind of the executive counterpart to the speaker mess. It's just chaos. And what we again, what we really need is a debate about who best can you unify every element of the Republican Party to stop this socialist madness that's in power right now, and we're not getting that conversation. We're not getting that debate. We're just getting a bunch of guys on the stage virtue signaling, yelling, screaming. You know, I have nothing against Tim Scott or Chris Christy or Mike pinn around Aswami, but they're not going to be president. And they've already shown us their abilities if you want to make them a cabinet minister or you know, I don't know, vice president. So we don't need that show to go on. And we have two candidates that have risen in the polls, and let's have Donald Trump join the debates and all three of them show us what they can do, and then they can argue back and forth whether Trump is going to be viable or not given his legal jeopardies. And I think that's the only thing that we have to do. We have to do it soon. But we're not doing it. We're just saying, Oh, Trump is just going to go through all these legal He's going to be in court almost every day. I think he's going to be in court from now until the election every week in one of these four jurisdictions by intent. And I don't think that DeSantis and Haiti will have a platform where they can air their differences and show the Republican Party two different views of of the Trump legacy, if that's what you want to call it. And so we're not getting a resolution, just like the speaker, and yeah, I'm really worried about it.

I'm worried about it too, sir. I think that's wisely stated, and I'm glad that try to express my concerns when I'm on TV and on Twitter, but people just don't seem to want to hear.

I'm worried about it too, sir. I think that's wisely stated, and I'm glad that try to express my concerns when I'm on TV and on Twitter, but people just don't seem to want to hear.

It and get very angry. I yeah, you're absolutely right. When I say this on an interview and then I get a call from someone and says, are you flipped out? Or what are you saying? Or how dare you? Or Matt Gates is my hero? Or you don't ever doubt Donald Trump and stuff like that, And I'm not doubting or trying to attack anybody. I'm just out. Our jobs as outside observers are not to be politically biased, but to give a disinterested analysis of the conservative movement. And that's what's happening. It's in disarray, and right now it's the most golden opportunity they've ever had in fifty years because the left got power and it destroyed the country. And basically sixty percent of the people agree with us, and yet we can't articulate that to them.

It and get very angry. I yeah, you're absolutely right. When I say this on an interview and then I get a call from someone and says, are you flipped out? Or what are you saying? Or how dare you? Or Matt Gates is my hero? Or you don't ever doubt Donald Trump and stuff like that, And I'm not doubting or trying to attack anybody. I'm just out. Our jobs as outside observers are not to be politically biased, but to give a disinterested analysis of the conservative movement. And that's what's happening. It's in disarray, and right now it's the most golden opportunity they've ever had in fifty years because the left got power and it destroyed the country. And basically sixty percent of the people agree with us, and yet we can't articulate that to them.

You know, I just pray that people wake up. Victor Davis Hanson, it's always an honor to have you on the show, Sir. You are so smart, so wise. I always learn so much from you. It's truly an honor.

You know, I just pray that people wake up. Victor Davis Hanson, it's always an honor to have you on the show, Sir. You are so smart, so wise. I always learn so much from you. It's truly an honor.

Well, thank you for having me listen.

Well, thank you for having me listen.

Those Victor Davis Hanson, always brilliant, always learns so much from him. I really appreciate him taking the time to come on the show. I appreciate you at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but of course you can listen throughout the week. I want to think John Cassio am I a producer for putting the show together. Until next time.

Those Victor Davis Hanson, always brilliant, always learns so much from him. I really appreciate him taking the time to come on the show. I appreciate you at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but of course you can listen throughout the week. I want to think John Cassio am I a producer for putting the show together. Until next time.