Well, it's Pride Month, which means we're going to have grown men dressed as women tworking in the streets in front of children, and that's apparently supposed to be celebrated. Or what we saw last year are companies like Target selling tuck friendly swimsuits for children. Fortunately, it seems that the boycotts and the backlash that some of these companies received worked because Target is now sort of diminishing what they're doing this year for Pride Month. But it just calls into question what we're subjecting children to, the fact that we're not protecting children from this madness, especially as you know there's a rise in young people turning to transgenderism. So what's behind that, how do we stop it, and who's protecting the kids. We're going to talk to someone who recently wrote a book about all this. The book is called d trans True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult. So what is this cult and.

Well, it's Pride Month, which means we're going to have grown men dressed as women tworking in the streets in front of children, and that's apparently supposed to be celebrated. Or what we saw last year are companies like Target selling tuck friendly swimsuits for children. Fortunately, it seems that the boycotts and the backlash that some of these companies received worked because Target is now sort of diminishing what they're doing this year for Pride Month. But it just calls into question what we're subjecting children to, the fact that we're not protecting children from this madness, especially as you know there's a rise in young people turning to transgenderism. So what's behind that, how do we stop it, and who's protecting the kids. We're going to talk to someone who recently wrote a book about all this. The book is called d trans True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult. So what is this cult and.

How do we get kids out of it?

How do we get kids out of it?

Stay tuned for the author of that book, Mary Margaret Olahan, who's all so a senior reporter for Daily Signal. Well, Mary Margaret, it's great to have you on the show. You just came out with a really important book. So I'm looking forward to digging in and finding out what you learned through writing it.

Stay tuned for the author of that book, Mary Margaret Olahan, who's all so a senior reporter for Daily Signal. Well, Mary Margaret, it's great to have you on the show. You just came out with a really important book. So I'm looking forward to digging in and finding out what you learned through writing it.

Yeah, it's so great to be here to talk about my new book, D trans True Stories of the Gender Ideology Hope. This is a book that I wrote after talking to a lot of different young people that we would call d transitioners, young people who tried to do what many of us would consider unthinkable to try and change their gender. So for the girls to try to become a boy and for the boys to try and become a girl, and they did this through surgical and armed whore modal air adunctions, and I was so important they realized that what they were doing was impossible, that they did not fac feel better, and in many cases they felt much worse mentally and physically. So they went to living as their bolgical sex. And now they're sharing their stories and helping to warn other young people about the dangers of trying to transition in this way and why why other people shouldn't do it, which is particularly amazing because when they were trying to transition, they didn't have anyone speaking out and helping them understand this. So they're really trying to be a voice of reason when it comes to this issue, because we have so many pro transgender activists kind of screaming into this void and saying do it, do it, affirm, affirm, affirm, no matter what. And these are young people saying, I lived this. I can tell you what it is really about. It is going to harm you.

Yeah, it's so great to be here to talk about my new book, D trans True Stories of the Gender Ideology Hope. This is a book that I wrote after talking to a lot of different young people that we would call d transitioners, young people who tried to do what many of us would consider unthinkable to try and change their gender. So for the girls to try to become a boy and for the boys to try and become a girl, and they did this through surgical and armed whore modal air adunctions, and I was so important they realized that what they were doing was impossible, that they did not fac feel better, and in many cases they felt much worse mentally and physically. So they went to living as their bolgical sex. And now they're sharing their stories and helping to warn other young people about the dangers of trying to transition in this way and why why other people shouldn't do it, which is particularly amazing because when they were trying to transition, they didn't have anyone speaking out and helping them understand this. So they're really trying to be a voice of reason when it comes to this issue, because we have so many pro transgender activists kind of screaming into this void and saying do it, do it, affirm, affirm, affirm, no matter what. And these are young people saying, I lived this. I can tell you what it is really about. It is going to harm you.

Well all you you talk about these activists, you know, pushing this, but it really is you know, society more broadly, right, and we've got the media basically, you know, pushing this. So you have to embrace this or you're a bigot or you're transphobic or you know what have you do you think society is pushing this? You know what's behind that. Yeah, there's definitely a societal push here to normalize and embrace so called gender affirming care. And that's a euphemism that was created by activist groups like the Human Rights Campaign, the ACLU, GLAD which stands for gay, Lesbian something something like I can't even remember anymore.

Well all you you talk about these activists, you know, pushing this, but it really is you know, society more broadly, right, and we've got the media basically, you know, pushing this. So you have to embrace this or you're a bigot or you're transphobic or you know what have you do you think society is pushing this? You know what's behind that. Yeah, there's definitely a societal push here to normalize and embrace so called gender affirming care. And that's a euphemism that was created by activist groups like the Human Rights Campaign, the ACLU, GLAD which stands for gay, Lesbian something something like I can't even remember anymore.

But these are these pro trans groups that literally created style guides that they give to establish Remedia like The New York Times, CNN, Washington Posts, Associated Press and all of these outlets use the phrases that they are given by these pro trans groups to talk about this issue. So, for example, if the New York Times is doing a story on Arkansas passing the Save Act, legislation that's supposed to protect kids from irreversible trans surgeries, procedures and normal and the New York Times is going to talk about that and say, Arkansas passes legislation banning gender affirming care for trans youth, and your average reader sees that and thinks, Wow, that sounds like really hateful and horrible legislation. Why do those lawmakers want to hurt trans youth? And that's the whole idea behind that phrasing is that they're using euphemism there to describe what we're talking about to turn public sentiment away from wanting to protect kids. Because they know if they said in their headline, Arkansas passes a bill banning trans surgeries, foremones and puberty blockers for kids and miners, they know that that's going to be well received because polling shows that most Americans don't want that to happen to kids. So they're very tricky here, And I think it's part of a societal push led by gender activists led by very radical left wing lawmakers on groups to try and change the way our culture looks at this issue, to try and normalize these types of conversations and the context of kids, and to try and change, frankly, our traditional views on marriage and sexuality and gender. And that's it's a very scary thing. And that's part of the reason I use the word cult in my subhead of this book, because this is a very cult like behavior. The way all of this operates, the way this is pushed on young people, the way they're treated if they dare dissent like you were saying, Lisa, the way we're called transphobes and hateful, bigoted, if we dare to say that a man cannot become a woman. All of this is very cult like. And there's there's absolutely a kind of a religious fervor to it that I think makes it one of the most formidable foes we have to traditional families and to our modern society.

But these are these pro trans groups that literally created style guides that they give to establish Remedia like The New York Times, CNN, Washington Posts, Associated Press and all of these outlets use the phrases that they are given by these pro trans groups to talk about this issue. So, for example, if the New York Times is doing a story on Arkansas passing the Save Act, legislation that's supposed to protect kids from irreversible trans surgeries, procedures and normal and the New York Times is going to talk about that and say, Arkansas passes legislation banning gender affirming care for trans youth, and your average reader sees that and thinks, Wow, that sounds like really hateful and horrible legislation. Why do those lawmakers want to hurt trans youth? And that's the whole idea behind that phrasing is that they're using euphemism there to describe what we're talking about to turn public sentiment away from wanting to protect kids. Because they know if they said in their headline, Arkansas passes a bill banning trans surgeries, foremones and puberty blockers for kids and miners, they know that that's going to be well received because polling shows that most Americans don't want that to happen to kids. So they're very tricky here, And I think it's part of a societal push led by gender activists led by very radical left wing lawmakers on groups to try and change the way our culture looks at this issue, to try and normalize these types of conversations and the context of kids, and to try and change, frankly, our traditional views on marriage and sexuality and gender. And that's it's a very scary thing. And that's part of the reason I use the word cult in my subhead of this book, because this is a very cult like behavior. The way all of this operates, the way this is pushed on young people, the way they're treated if they dare dissent like you were saying, Lisa, the way we're called transphobes and hateful, bigoted, if we dare to say that a man cannot become a woman. All of this is very cult like. And there's there's absolutely a kind of a religious fervor to it that I think makes it one of the most formidable foes we have to traditional families and to our modern society.

So what leads one to join the cult? Then, you know, in talking to a lot of these individuals, you know what led them to just thinking one day, you know what I'm you know, the opposite sex trapped in you know this body like what led them to that direction.

So what leads one to join the cult? Then, you know, in talking to a lot of these individuals, you know what led them to just thinking one day, you know what I'm you know, the opposite sex trapped in you know this body like what led them to that direction.

Yeah, there's a lot of factors that play into this. And the way I wrote this book is I shared different stages and compared the different stories one by one to try and help people to understand what each person was going through together. So I started off by sharing the stories of how these young people were immersed in gender ideology and what their family lives are like. Typically, what you'll see here is that these young people are coming from families that are struggling. So let's say there's a mother who's an alcoholic, and there's perhaps in a different family, the parents are going through a divorce. In another family, the mother's having an affair. These are all things that I heard as I was interviewing easy transitions, and most of them, especially the girls, they're feeling kind of awkward. They're feeling lowly, they're struggling at school. They are often on the spectrum and they just don't know it. It hasn't been diagnosed. And later in life they'll find out that yes, they were on the spectrum, but they just never had this diagnose it. And so as they're feeling lowly and awkward and they're not fitting in they're spending a lot of time, unfortunately, on social media, and this was across the board something that I was told, especially for these girls, and even before they get into gender ideology content, this is something I found fascinating. These girls are really struggling because they're on Instagram. Let's say this is something that Chloe Cole told me. They're on Instagram and they're seeing all these depictions of femininity in womanhood. And when you're a twelve thirteen year old girl, we know you're looking for what you should be. You're looking at women as Okay, is this what I'm supposed to be? Is this what I'm supposed to look like? Is this is how I'm supposed to act? You're really looking for someone you can just basically model your behavior. That's why all these little girls dress in such funny ways, because they copy the styles and the fashions that they see to a tea and so they're looking at Instagram and they're seeing all these very you know, perfectly sculpted women who are on these exotic vacations. They're getting tons of male affirmation and they're you know, scantily clad, and they're thinking, oh, I guess this is what a woman's supposed to be. They don't understand photoshop. They don't understand that this is just a glimpse into an individual moment of someone's life. And so for someone like Chloe, she's looking at these pictures and thinking, Wow, I don't look anything like that. And then at the same time, many of these girls told me that they were exposed to pornography at really young ages, and so they're seeing these really humiliating and degrading depictions of womanhood. And what they told me was for the women in pornography, it did not look fun. It looked like the men were having fun and the women were not, and it made them scared of sexual intimacy as a woman. So when you combine those things, these kind of degrading depictions of womanhood and then this kind of unattainable image of what you're supposed to be as a woman, these girls are telling me that it just seems like too much. And then when you have gender activists who are saying, you know, they're stumbling on this gender activist content. They're saying, Oh, you don't feel like you fit in or you know, you're afraid of this idea of womanhood maybe it's because you're not a woman, you're a boy. And on top of that, it's worse. A lot of these girls are victims of sexual assaults, whether it's someone at school, someone in their family, and that only compiles this idea of wanting to escape femininity, wanting to escape your feminine body, and if it's becoming a boy is a solution to all of this makes it way too easy.

Yeah, there's a lot of factors that play into this. And the way I wrote this book is I shared different stages and compared the different stories one by one to try and help people to understand what each person was going through together. So I started off by sharing the stories of how these young people were immersed in gender ideology and what their family lives are like. Typically, what you'll see here is that these young people are coming from families that are struggling. So let's say there's a mother who's an alcoholic, and there's perhaps in a different family, the parents are going through a divorce. In another family, the mother's having an affair. These are all things that I heard as I was interviewing easy transitions, and most of them, especially the girls, they're feeling kind of awkward. They're feeling lowly, they're struggling at school. They are often on the spectrum and they just don't know it. It hasn't been diagnosed. And later in life they'll find out that yes, they were on the spectrum, but they just never had this diagnose it. And so as they're feeling lowly and awkward and they're not fitting in they're spending a lot of time, unfortunately, on social media, and this was across the board something that I was told, especially for these girls, and even before they get into gender ideology content, this is something I found fascinating. These girls are really struggling because they're on Instagram. Let's say this is something that Chloe Cole told me. They're on Instagram and they're seeing all these depictions of femininity in womanhood. And when you're a twelve thirteen year old girl, we know you're looking for what you should be. You're looking at women as Okay, is this what I'm supposed to be? Is this what I'm supposed to look like? Is this is how I'm supposed to act? You're really looking for someone you can just basically model your behavior. That's why all these little girls dress in such funny ways, because they copy the styles and the fashions that they see to a tea and so they're looking at Instagram and they're seeing all these very you know, perfectly sculpted women who are on these exotic vacations. They're getting tons of male affirmation and they're you know, scantily clad, and they're thinking, oh, I guess this is what a woman's supposed to be. They don't understand photoshop. They don't understand that this is just a glimpse into an individual moment of someone's life. And so for someone like Chloe, she's looking at these pictures and thinking, Wow, I don't look anything like that. And then at the same time, many of these girls told me that they were exposed to pornography at really young ages, and so they're seeing these really humiliating and degrading depictions of womanhood. And what they told me was for the women in pornography, it did not look fun. It looked like the men were having fun and the women were not, and it made them scared of sexual intimacy as a woman. So when you combine those things, these kind of degrading depictions of womanhood and then this kind of unattainable image of what you're supposed to be as a woman, these girls are telling me that it just seems like too much. And then when you have gender activists who are saying, you know, they're stumbling on this gender activist content. They're saying, Oh, you don't feel like you fit in or you know, you're afraid of this idea of womanhood maybe it's because you're not a woman, you're a boy. And on top of that, it's worse. A lot of these girls are victims of sexual assaults, whether it's someone at school, someone in their family, and that only compiles this idea of wanting to escape femininity, wanting to escape your feminine body, and if it's becoming a boy is a solution to all of this makes it way too easy.

You know, I've had I've interviewed Chloe Cole on the show before. What percentage of the individuals you interviewed, I mean, how many of them have had complications? Because you know, often with these surgeries they're doing, there are a lot of complications. So you know, did you have any of those discussions with some of these folks?

You know, I've had I've interviewed Chloe Cole on the show before. What percentage of the individuals you interviewed, I mean, how many of them have had complications? Because you know, often with these surgeries they're doing, there are a lot of complications. So you know, did you have any of those discussions with some of these folks?

Oh? Absolutely, everybody I talked to had some form of complication.

Oh? Absolutely, everybody I talked to had some form of complication.

And like, get into those complications too if you can.

And like, get into those complications too if you can.

Yeah, and I would say that it's it's not just a surgical complications, a tormonal complications. So just so I'll explain briefly, if you're going to go down this path to gender transition, Let's say your twelve year old daughter comes to you and says, I think I'm a boy and I and the doctors and therapists tell you you have to transition your child or else she's going to kill herself, which is what they tell everyone nowadays. Let's say, would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son? And parents who are not particularly well equipped to respond to that will think, Okay, this is the expert telling me this. I loved my daughter. I don't want to hurt her, so we're going to go with it.

Yeah, and I would say that it's it's not just a surgical complications, a tormonal complications. So just so I'll explain briefly, if you're going to go down this path to gender transition, Let's say your twelve year old daughter comes to you and says, I think I'm a boy and I and the doctors and therapists tell you you have to transition your child or else she's going to kill herself, which is what they tell everyone nowadays. Let's say, would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son? And parents who are not particularly well equipped to respond to that will think, Okay, this is the expert telling me this. I loved my daughter. I don't want to hurt her, so we're going to go with it.

And you know, they.

And you know, they.

Should trust her gut in this situation, but unfortunately many parents don't. And so what will happen is she'll get started on puberty blockers, which are supposed to just halt her puberty so kind of gets rid of all the hormones in her body. It can cause infertility, it can cause in young boys their genitals to just not grow, and lots of you know, as you could imagine, stopping puberty at such a pivotal time in a kid's life is going to have all kinds of physical side effects, many of which we don't actually know yet. But that's not something that you'll hear from these gender activists. All of this is experimental and continues to be experimental, and our kids are being treated like guinea pigs. So after a while the kids are on these puberty blockers, they get old enough to take testosterone or estrogen. For Chloe and other girls, when they start taking testosterone, they have this kind of honeymoon phase where it's just a surge of energy and adrenaline. They feel so good because they didn't have any hormones in their body because of the puberty blockers. So now that they have so much energy, they feel great. They're telling everyone, I love this. You should take dystosterone. That feels so good. And shortly afterwards they start seeing the side effects. So for girls when they're taking the stosterone, this will often be hair loss in places they wouldn't expect, hair growth in places they wouldn't expect. For example, you might start getting five o'clock shadow on your face as a girl, bone changes, muscle changes, your fat starts to distribute differently. And then emotionally, I think this is a scarier part. There's just a lot of emotional changes that they would never expect. For example, really extreme rage, just really extreme. These girls were telling me they it was so extreme they felt like they had to physically externalize it. Soa for Helena, one of the girls in my book, she would punch walls and wake up covered in bruises because she just couldn't get this rage out. Another scary example is that a lot of these girls lost the ability to cry, so they would feel this really intense urge to cry and the need to cry to relieve their emotions, but it just couldn't happen, and so it was very emotionally frustrating for them. Some of these girls lost the ability to scream, which I think as women, many of us have had that nightmare where you're trying to get away from someone, or you're trying to warn someone about something and you scream and nothing comes out. That's an actual reality for many of these girls who are on testosterone, and after they de transition, a lot of these things don't go away. So, you know, some of these girls might not be infertile, but some of them maybe you know, some of them might regain their feminine sounding voice, but a lot of them don't. Some of them regain the ability to cry or scream, others don't. It's very much a toss up, and it's it's very much something that you know, these so called experts, they know that it's experimental. They know that a lot of the time there's no guarantee on how things will go, and they talk about this behind closed doors, as the recent exposa of the w PAT file shows, but they don't say it publicly. And publicly they say gender firming care is crucial for transute. The Biden administration will say it is pivotal for transut, but they don't tell us how experimental it is. And i haven't even gotten to the surgeries yet.

Should trust her gut in this situation, but unfortunately many parents don't. And so what will happen is she'll get started on puberty blockers, which are supposed to just halt her puberty so kind of gets rid of all the hormones in her body. It can cause infertility, it can cause in young boys their genitals to just not grow, and lots of you know, as you could imagine, stopping puberty at such a pivotal time in a kid's life is going to have all kinds of physical side effects, many of which we don't actually know yet. But that's not something that you'll hear from these gender activists. All of this is experimental and continues to be experimental, and our kids are being treated like guinea pigs. So after a while the kids are on these puberty blockers, they get old enough to take testosterone or estrogen. For Chloe and other girls, when they start taking testosterone, they have this kind of honeymoon phase where it's just a surge of energy and adrenaline. They feel so good because they didn't have any hormones in their body because of the puberty blockers. So now that they have so much energy, they feel great. They're telling everyone, I love this. You should take dystosterone. That feels so good. And shortly afterwards they start seeing the side effects. So for girls when they're taking the stosterone, this will often be hair loss in places they wouldn't expect, hair growth in places they wouldn't expect. For example, you might start getting five o'clock shadow on your face as a girl, bone changes, muscle changes, your fat starts to distribute differently. And then emotionally, I think this is a scarier part. There's just a lot of emotional changes that they would never expect. For example, really extreme rage, just really extreme. These girls were telling me they it was so extreme they felt like they had to physically externalize it. Soa for Helena, one of the girls in my book, she would punch walls and wake up covered in bruises because she just couldn't get this rage out. Another scary example is that a lot of these girls lost the ability to cry, so they would feel this really intense urge to cry and the need to cry to relieve their emotions, but it just couldn't happen, and so it was very emotionally frustrating for them. Some of these girls lost the ability to scream, which I think as women, many of us have had that nightmare where you're trying to get away from someone, or you're trying to warn someone about something and you scream and nothing comes out. That's an actual reality for many of these girls who are on testosterone, and after they de transition, a lot of these things don't go away. So, you know, some of these girls might not be infertile, but some of them maybe you know, some of them might regain their feminine sounding voice, but a lot of them don't. Some of them regain the ability to cry or scream, others don't. It's very much a toss up, and it's it's very much something that you know, these so called experts, they know that it's experimental. They know that a lot of the time there's no guarantee on how things will go, and they talk about this behind closed doors, as the recent exposa of the w PAT file shows, but they don't say it publicly. And publicly they say gender firming care is crucial for transute. The Biden administration will say it is pivotal for transut, but they don't tell us how experimental it is. And i haven't even gotten to the surgeries yet.

I'm going to take a quick commercial break. More with Mary Margaret on the other side, we'll get into the surgeries.

I'm going to take a quick commercial break. More with Mary Margaret on the other side, we'll get into the surgeries.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So in terms of the surgeries, what we'll often see first of all for the girls is a double misactomy, and that is very much looked at by many of these girls as kind of like deeps, the thing that will make them feel better, because a lot of the time they think, if I can get these off my body, I will be a boy, I will be acknowledged as a boy. I can wear a shirt or I can walk around with no shirt on. I won't be assaulted. You know, It's very much viewed as this turning point. And so after these girls get the double misseectomy, This is a huge turning point because many of them realize, wait, I don't feel better, and I had these terrifying black scars on my chest that aren't going away. And for people like Chloe, a lot of the time, these surgery scars don't heal quickly, so Chloe continues years later to have to maintain her scars. They continue to leak, she has to use different bandages on them a lot. It's just it's a bad situation and she has to continue to maintain it. For other people like Krisha who have undergone these surgeries, you know the scars might close, but then there's other complications. For example, Abe Garcia, who's a boy, one of the boys in my book Able, underwent what they would call breast augmentation surgery, but we shouldn't call it that since he's a guy and he never had breast, so uh, it's not breast augmentation is kind of like breast or replica insertion. And uh, they tried to reinstate his nipples after they put on these fake breasts, but they did such a strange job of it that it doesn't look right at all. They're facing the wrong directions. He has no set he can't sense any kind of uh, he has no nerve sense in his chest anymore, and it just feels kind of frozen and strange. And you know that's all horrifying in and of itself. Then when you get into the genital surgeries, it becomes even worse. And I'm not going to be too crude here, but when it comes to general surgeries, this is like the next step for in so called gender affirming care, because what these doctors promises they're going to give you the genitalia of the gender that you want, and the suggestion and the implication is that it will function sexually as if you were a biological man or a biological woman. But we know that's not the case. When you create, as they do a fake penis for a woman using intestinal lightning or whatever they decide to use, which occasionally is in testinal lining, it is not going to work. It is not actually going to function. But that is the suggestion that they are given as if they can play god and create this fake genitalia that's going to somehow work. And so for these women, this is in essence a fake body part that is hanging off of them that doesn't work. There's all kinds of strange maneuvers that they have to that they have to try and facilitate to eat, for example, and not to be gross, but for a woman to urinate through this fake penis, there's all kinds of things that have to be done. Very often it doesn't work. And for the men when they're crafting a fake what they would call a vaginal classy, this is basically an essence creating a fake hoole in a man that is very painful, very invasive. It's a wound that's trying to heal because your body knows that your body knows how to take care of itself, so it's constantly trying to close up this wound and to heal it. And in order to keep it from doing that, these men who are identifying as women are told that they're going to have to dilate it pretty much every day for the rest of their lives. So there's this crazy complex too, where you are becoming a permanent patient. When you're embarking on this journey, you're going to have permanent medical bills permanently, like very invasive medical procedures, and every time you finish one and you don't feel better when you're told by these medical professionals is maybe you need the next one. So after you do this super evasive genital procedures, maybe you need facial feminization surgery, or maybe you need your torso kind of sculpted so you have more of a feminine body, which you know is invasive.

So in terms of the surgeries, what we'll often see first of all for the girls is a double misactomy, and that is very much looked at by many of these girls as kind of like deeps, the thing that will make them feel better, because a lot of the time they think, if I can get these off my body, I will be a boy, I will be acknowledged as a boy. I can wear a shirt or I can walk around with no shirt on. I won't be assaulted. You know, It's very much viewed as this turning point. And so after these girls get the double misseectomy, This is a huge turning point because many of them realize, wait, I don't feel better, and I had these terrifying black scars on my chest that aren't going away. And for people like Chloe, a lot of the time, these surgery scars don't heal quickly, so Chloe continues years later to have to maintain her scars. They continue to leak, she has to use different bandages on them a lot. It's just it's a bad situation and she has to continue to maintain it. For other people like Krisha who have undergone these surgeries, you know the scars might close, but then there's other complications. For example, Abe Garcia, who's a boy, one of the boys in my book Able, underwent what they would call breast augmentation surgery, but we shouldn't call it that since he's a guy and he never had breast, so uh, it's not breast augmentation is kind of like breast or replica insertion. And uh, they tried to reinstate his nipples after they put on these fake breasts, but they did such a strange job of it that it doesn't look right at all. They're facing the wrong directions. He has no set he can't sense any kind of uh, he has no nerve sense in his chest anymore, and it just feels kind of frozen and strange. And you know that's all horrifying in and of itself. Then when you get into the genital surgeries, it becomes even worse. And I'm not going to be too crude here, but when it comes to general surgeries, this is like the next step for in so called gender affirming care, because what these doctors promises they're going to give you the genitalia of the gender that you want, and the suggestion and the implication is that it will function sexually as if you were a biological man or a biological woman. But we know that's not the case. When you create, as they do a fake penis for a woman using intestinal lightning or whatever they decide to use, which occasionally is in testinal lining, it is not going to work. It is not actually going to function. But that is the suggestion that they are given as if they can play god and create this fake genitalia that's going to somehow work. And so for these women, this is in essence a fake body part that is hanging off of them that doesn't work. There's all kinds of strange maneuvers that they have to that they have to try and facilitate to eat, for example, and not to be gross, but for a woman to urinate through this fake penis, there's all kinds of things that have to be done. Very often it doesn't work. And for the men when they're crafting a fake what they would call a vaginal classy, this is basically an essence creating a fake hoole in a man that is very painful, very invasive. It's a wound that's trying to heal because your body knows that your body knows how to take care of itself, so it's constantly trying to close up this wound and to heal it. And in order to keep it from doing that, these men who are identifying as women are told that they're going to have to dilate it pretty much every day for the rest of their lives. So there's this crazy complex too, where you are becoming a permanent patient. When you're embarking on this journey, you're going to have permanent medical bills permanently, like very invasive medical procedures, and every time you finish one and you don't feel better when you're told by these medical professionals is maybe you need the next one. So after you do this super evasive genital procedures, maybe you need facial feminization surgery, or maybe you need your torso kind of sculpted so you have more of a feminine body, which you know is invasive.

And how much money are people making off of this?

And how much money are people making off of this?

It really depends if a lot of the time this kind of thing is covered by insurance, which, by the way, detransition is not. So. For Presha, I want to say she paid about seven thousand dollars for all of her double missactuee surgery, but some of these can be even more expensive. I want to say the vagino plasties can be up to like thirty thousand dollars, but I don't have to double check on that. And in between, I forgot to even mention after Prisia got her breast removed, one of the surgeries that they would have recommended that she would get next is a hysterectomy, which is crazy because this is a healthy woman who is a healthy, functioning body. She's not going to be able to see that she had a hysterectomy. In fact, no one is going to be able to see that. But that is part of this whole ideology, is that if you have a hysterectomy and have your uterist removed, that will help you feel more like a man. And they would have performed this on her willingly if she had said yes, and thankfully she did not. And I actually am happy to share that she is one of the few d transitioneris that I've heard about that has been able to go on and to become pregnant, and she had a baby this week, which is such a gift from God and is something I'm really happy, thankful to hear about. But she had all kinds of complications with this pregnancy that are in large part probably due to the horrible procedures that she had to go through. But I would like to emphasize also that all of these procedures that these very mentally ill people are going through are being pushed on them while they have very severe mental health problems. And so even for adults, we would probably say that they could not give proper informed consent to these procedures if they were very seriously mentally ill. And we're talking about teenagers here, so teenagers who are giving it, supposedly giving consent to something that they have no understanding, of no capacity for understanding, given their mental health problems. And that's what we're talking about here.

It really depends if a lot of the time this kind of thing is covered by insurance, which, by the way, detransition is not. So. For Presha, I want to say she paid about seven thousand dollars for all of her double missactuee surgery, but some of these can be even more expensive. I want to say the vagino plasties can be up to like thirty thousand dollars, but I don't have to double check on that. And in between, I forgot to even mention after Prisia got her breast removed, one of the surgeries that they would have recommended that she would get next is a hysterectomy, which is crazy because this is a healthy woman who is a healthy, functioning body. She's not going to be able to see that she had a hysterectomy. In fact, no one is going to be able to see that. But that is part of this whole ideology, is that if you have a hysterectomy and have your uterist removed, that will help you feel more like a man. And they would have performed this on her willingly if she had said yes, and thankfully she did not. And I actually am happy to share that she is one of the few d transitioneris that I've heard about that has been able to go on and to become pregnant, and she had a baby this week, which is such a gift from God and is something I'm really happy, thankful to hear about. But she had all kinds of complications with this pregnancy that are in large part probably due to the horrible procedures that she had to go through. But I would like to emphasize also that all of these procedures that these very mentally ill people are going through are being pushed on them while they have very severe mental health problems. And so even for adults, we would probably say that they could not give proper informed consent to these procedures if they were very seriously mentally ill. And we're talking about teenagers here, so teenagers who are giving it, supposedly giving consent to something that they have no understanding, of no capacity for understanding, given their mental health problems. And that's what we're talking about here.

So at any point during this with the people you interviewed, did anyone intervene and say, Hey, look, I think you're really depressed or you've got you know, this other stuff going on.

So at any point during this with the people you interviewed, did anyone intervene and say, Hey, look, I think you're really depressed or you've got you know, this other stuff going on.

You know, why don't you work with therapists, Why don't you go to church?

You know, why don't you work with therapists, Why don't you go to church?

You know, like, why do you you know, let's try to get your mental health in a better place. You know, did anyone want intervene and look at that before saying let's cut off your breast.

You know, like, why do you you know, let's try to get your mental health in a better place. You know, did anyone want intervene and look at that before saying let's cut off your breast.

I was thinking about this yesterday because I was I was trying to find examples of that, because you would think yes, so it must have been some rational person along the way. In Chloe Cole's case, for example, she did go see an endocrinologist with her parents about getting hormones, and the first person that they saw said, I think she should wait. She's too young. So they went and got a second opinion because they had been told if she waited, she would be in danger of killing herself, which is a lie. But unfortunately that's what her parents have been told. And in most of the cases and the transitionaries in my book, what would happen is they would be online, they'd be accessing all this gender content, and they would want to begin this process, and so they would seek out a gender therapist, or if let's say they were seeing a therapist already, that therapists would refer them to a gender therapist. And these gender therapists almost always, I have not heard of the case of a gender therapist not affirming the person that comes to see them. The gender therapists routinely will say, oh, you identify as a boy.

I was thinking about this yesterday because I was I was trying to find examples of that, because you would think yes, so it must have been some rational person along the way. In Chloe Cole's case, for example, she did go see an endocrinologist with her parents about getting hormones, and the first person that they saw said, I think she should wait. She's too young. So they went and got a second opinion because they had been told if she waited, she would be in danger of killing herself, which is a lie. But unfortunately that's what her parents have been told. And in most of the cases and the transitionaries in my book, what would happen is they would be online, they'd be accessing all this gender content, and they would want to begin this process, and so they would seek out a gender therapist, or if let's say they were seeing a therapist already, that therapists would refer them to a gender therapist. And these gender therapists almost always, I have not heard of the case of a gender therapist not affirming the person that comes to see them. The gender therapists routinely will say, oh, you identify as a boy.

You're a boy.

You're a boy.

Do they make money off of that? Or what do you think the incentive is then with that, Oh.

Do they make money off of that? Or what do you think the incentive is then with that, Oh.

There's definitely a financial incentive, Absolutely a financial incentive. And I think that there's also a you know, if you are subscribing to this ideology, and I think you see this to a certain extent, let's say, in the abortion industry as well. I've interviewed abortionists and women that work in abortion clinics who are very They will you speak to them, and you understand that they think they're doing something very good by working at this planned parenthood and by you know, supposedly helping women get abortions, they believe they're doing some kind of very huge service. I think in the same way, there are people in the gender industry who believe that they are somehow enlightened and that everyone else is hateful, big and that they are helping people to discover their true identity. There's definitely those people in the industry. And then I think there's people in the industry who know that what they're doing is able, and that they are going against facts and science, and they're willing to do it anyways. And I think those are the scariest ones of all because it's a recognition of trying to change the culture through an evil, and that's truly terrifying.

There's definitely a financial incentive, Absolutely a financial incentive. And I think that there's also a you know, if you are subscribing to this ideology, and I think you see this to a certain extent, let's say, in the abortion industry as well. I've interviewed abortionists and women that work in abortion clinics who are very They will you speak to them, and you understand that they think they're doing something very good by working at this planned parenthood and by you know, supposedly helping women get abortions, they believe they're doing some kind of very huge service. I think in the same way, there are people in the gender industry who believe that they are somehow enlightened and that everyone else is hateful, big and that they are helping people to discover their true identity. There's definitely those people in the industry. And then I think there's people in the industry who know that what they're doing is able, and that they are going against facts and science, and they're willing to do it anyways. And I think those are the scariest ones of all because it's a recognition of trying to change the culture through an evil, and that's truly terrifying.

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You know, I know we've.

You know, I know we've.

Seen some lawsuits and you know, but do you think there will be a turning point.

Seen some lawsuits and you know, but do you think there will be a turning point.

In society where you know, more people will.

In society where you know, more people will.

Wake up and do the right thing and stand up for these young people and say that this is not right, we shouldn't be doing this. Like, what do you think the turning point will be or do you think we will see one?

Wake up and do the right thing and stand up for these young people and say that this is not right, we shouldn't be doing this. Like, what do you think the turning point will be or do you think we will see one?

I think that we will see one. I think that already these lawsuits are amazing. Presha Chloe Luca others have all sued, and those are lawsuits that name and shame the doctors and the therapists and their medical organizations that did this to them. And that's so important. You know, Like I can write a story for your daily Signal where I work and write a story about a doctor and that's the doctor definitely doesn't like that. But a lawsuit that's a game changer. That's that's a much bigger deal. But then also all over the country we're seeing legislation that protects kids from these types of procedures. I think that's huge, And I think that reporting on those stories that is clear and gives an a truthful depiction of what we're talking about is so important to help Americans understand what's at stake here. But I also think that the de transitioners themselves and their stories are possibly the greatest weapon in counteracting this gender ideology movement, because some of the biggest wins that we've seen in this area have come after these these transitioners have been brave enough to stand up and say, I went through this, this is my real lived story. You have to listen to it, because you know, the Left is all about empathy left is all about stories and experience as well.

I think that we will see one. I think that already these lawsuits are amazing. Presha Chloe Luca others have all sued, and those are lawsuits that name and shame the doctors and the therapists and their medical organizations that did this to them. And that's so important. You know, Like I can write a story for your daily Signal where I work and write a story about a doctor and that's the doctor definitely doesn't like that. But a lawsuit that's a game changer. That's that's a much bigger deal. But then also all over the country we're seeing legislation that protects kids from these types of procedures. I think that's huge, And I think that reporting on those stories that is clear and gives an a truthful depiction of what we're talking about is so important to help Americans understand what's at stake here. But I also think that the de transitioners themselves and their stories are possibly the greatest weapon in counteracting this gender ideology movement, because some of the biggest wins that we've seen in this area have come after these these transitioners have been brave enough to stand up and say, I went through this, this is my real lived story. You have to listen to it, because you know, the Left is all about empathy left is all about stories and experience as well.

Do they say they're about empathy, but exactly, it's like it's yeah, it's a ruse, right, it's not, it's not real. But I know you're saying they they believe or at least project that they have empathy, but you know that they don't.

Do they say they're about empathy, but exactly, it's like it's yeah, it's a ruse, right, it's not, it's not real. But I know you're saying they they believe or at least project that they have empathy, but you know that they don't.

All their messaging is supposedly hinged on empathy and you know, loving and caring for people. That's why they use gender firming care and reproductive health care. Like it's all about, you know, pretending that this is loving and affirming, whereas it's pushing an ideology rather than anything other than anything else. But I think that these you know, their stories are truly so powerful, and even in the New York Times and the Washington Posts have done I believe, one big de transitioner story each and in these stories, of course they say they repeat the misleading statistic that only one percent of transgender people regret their transition, which I honestly find that statistic kind of hilarious because they're pulling people who identify as transgender on whether they regret their transition or not. But those are the people that currently identify as transgender. So I'm not totally sure why they would be pulling this group when they identify as transgender. They should be interviewing the d transitioners who have de transitioned too, and finding out if they actually regret their their gender transition. But that's very typical of pulling that we see in the US, where it's cast in a certain light to reflect what establishment media would like to report. But the reason I bring them up is because they have been forced to report on these stories because they become so big that they can't be ignored. And yes, they will report on them and insert mislead statistics and say, you know, the very few people regret their transitions. But I think it's a really good sign that Chloe Cole and others have become loud enough and conservative media has reported their stories aggressively enough that establishment media cannot entirely ignore them anymore. And that to me is definitely a sign in right direction.

All their messaging is supposedly hinged on empathy and you know, loving and caring for people. That's why they use gender firming care and reproductive health care. Like it's all about, you know, pretending that this is loving and affirming, whereas it's pushing an ideology rather than anything other than anything else. But I think that these you know, their stories are truly so powerful, and even in the New York Times and the Washington Posts have done I believe, one big de transitioner story each and in these stories, of course they say they repeat the misleading statistic that only one percent of transgender people regret their transition, which I honestly find that statistic kind of hilarious because they're pulling people who identify as transgender on whether they regret their transition or not. But those are the people that currently identify as transgender. So I'm not totally sure why they would be pulling this group when they identify as transgender. They should be interviewing the d transitioners who have de transitioned too, and finding out if they actually regret their their gender transition. But that's very typical of pulling that we see in the US, where it's cast in a certain light to reflect what establishment media would like to report. But the reason I bring them up is because they have been forced to report on these stories because they become so big that they can't be ignored. And yes, they will report on them and insert mislead statistics and say, you know, the very few people regret their transitions. But I think it's a really good sign that Chloe Cole and others have become loud enough and conservative media has reported their stories aggressively enough that establishment media cannot entirely ignore them anymore. And that to me is definitely a sign in right direction.

What do you.

What do you.

Hope people take away from your book? You know, what do you hope to accomplish from it?

Hope people take away from your book? You know, what do you hope to accomplish from it?

Yeah? My book is it is definitely really sad, and I think that to read it is to understand that these young people have been through some very serious physical and mental suffering, and they still need help, they need resources. But what I want people to take away from this is an understanding of what these young people have been through, and I want people to be equipped with their stories so that when they hear the general from and care is good for youth and that is helpful, or they are equipped with these stories to understand No, this is how I'm being misled with this phrasing, and these are I actually have a real story that I can share about someone that went through this, and I want I want this book to be a resource to people who are trying to understand the issue. Maybe they're not necessarily conservative, maybe they're not necessarily liberal, but they want to be able to articulate themselves on an issue that is touching so many families. And I think that these are stories that deserve to be heard. And frankly, I don't see how you can read, for example, Chloe's story or Luca's story, able story, Helena's story and come away with this thinking, yes, we should fast track gender transitions. I think the stories speak for themselves and I'm hopeful they'll reach a lot of people.

Yeah? My book is it is definitely really sad, and I think that to read it is to understand that these young people have been through some very serious physical and mental suffering, and they still need help, they need resources. But what I want people to take away from this is an understanding of what these young people have been through, and I want people to be equipped with their stories so that when they hear the general from and care is good for youth and that is helpful, or they are equipped with these stories to understand No, this is how I'm being misled with this phrasing, and these are I actually have a real story that I can share about someone that went through this, and I want I want this book to be a resource to people who are trying to understand the issue. Maybe they're not necessarily conservative, maybe they're not necessarily liberal, but they want to be able to articulate themselves on an issue that is touching so many families. And I think that these are stories that deserve to be heard. And frankly, I don't see how you can read, for example, Chloe's story or Luca's story, able story, Helena's story and come away with this thinking, yes, we should fast track gender transitions. I think the stories speak for themselves and I'm hopeful they'll reach a lot of people.

I hope so too. It's an important book.

I hope so too. It's an important book.

Glad you wrote it, and I think I agree with you that it's really important to tell these stories. Mary Margaret Detrands, the stories of escaping the gender ideology cult out. Now everyone goes get to really appreciate you making the time.

Glad you wrote it, and I think I agree with you that it's really important to tell these stories. Mary Margaret Detrands, the stories of escaping the gender ideology cult out. Now everyone goes get to really appreciate you making the time.

Thank you so much. Appreciate you having me on.

Thank you so much. Appreciate you having me on.

That was Mary Margaret all on out with her new book, d Trans. Appreciate her making the time to come on the show and talk about this important issue. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week, or I think John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.

That was Mary Margaret all on out with her new book, d Trans. Appreciate her making the time to come on the show and talk about this important issue. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week, or I think John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.