We're all still processing the events of July thirteenth, still processing the attempted assassination of President Trump, the murder of a man who was brave enough to throw his body on his loved ones to shield them from death, the shooting of two others. As we process this massively historical moment that we saw and that we're currently in, how does this reshape America?

We're all still processing the events of July thirteenth, still processing the attempted assassination of President Trump, the murder of a man who was brave enough to throw his body on his loved ones to shield them from death, the shooting of two others. As we process this massively historical moment that we saw and that we're currently in, how does this reshape America?

How does this reshape the future.

How does this reshape the future.

We're going to talk to my friend and colleague from Fox News, Tammy Bruce, about this.

We're going to talk to my friend and colleague from Fox News, Tammy Bruce, about this.

We'll also talk about what.

We'll also talk about what.

We've seen at the R and C where we've seen former Democrats like Amber Rose take the stage and say you know what, I have woken up from the Left's lock on me. Or we've even seen the president of the Teamsters take the stage as well. This realignment of the Republican Party, this realignment in American politics, and that also gets to her new book, Fear Itself, exposing the Left's mind killing age, because she used to be on the left and she had an awakening. She saw this mind virus, this mind killing agenda for what it was. Well more people wake up as we head into this election, a lot to talk about with my friend Tammy Bruce, stay tuned, Tammy.

We've seen at the R and C where we've seen former Democrats like Amber Rose take the stage and say you know what, I have woken up from the Left's lock on me. Or we've even seen the president of the Teamsters take the stage as well. This realignment of the Republican Party, this realignment in American politics, and that also gets to her new book, Fear Itself, exposing the Left's mind killing age, because she used to be on the left and she had an awakening. She saw this mind virus, this mind killing agenda for what it was. Well more people wake up as we head into this election, a lot to talk about with my friend Tammy Bruce, stay tuned, Tammy.

It's so great to have you on the show.

It's so great to have you on the show.

You your friend, a colleague, and I'm so proud of you with this book that we're going to talk about. But you know, also just to have you on during such an important time and history and such an important time with the news. So just looking forward to having you on and hearing your insight.

You your friend, a colleague, and I'm so proud of you with this book that we're going to talk about. But you know, also just to have you on during such an important time and history and such an important time with the news. So just looking forward to having you on and hearing your insight.

I'm looking forward to it because normally when I see you, we have like a minute each to talk or it's like you're next to me and there's no real, you know, sense of exchange. So this is a preferred environment, and you're always doing a great job. So it's my pleasure. Thanks for asking me.

I'm looking forward to it because normally when I see you, we have like a minute each to talk or it's like you're next to me and there's no real, you know, sense of exchange. So this is a preferred environment, and you're always doing a great job. So it's my pleasure. Thanks for asking me.

Yea, I promise you you won't have producers in your ears telling you to wrap it up.

Yea, I promise you you won't have producers in your ears telling you to wrap it up.

We have to go to commercial breaks.

We have to go to commercial breaks.

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Yeah, you can give all the time in the world. I wanted to get your take first and foremost. Obviously we're coming off the heels of history, right, an attempt at assassination on a former president, which has only happened, you know, handful of times in American history.

Yeah, you can give all the time in the world. I wanted to get your take first and foremost. Obviously we're coming off the heels of history, right, an attempt at assassination on a former president, which has only happened, you know, handful of times in American history.

You know, first of all, just what are your thoughts?

You know, first of all, just what are your thoughts?

I mean, you've had some time to reflect since then, what's on what's on your mind today about that?

I mean, you've had some time to reflect since then, what's on what's on your mind today about that?

You know, I think as we're just a little over a week from these events, and our timeline these days moves so quickly because of technology. You know, we right now, in a single day in our lives get more information than somebody one hundred years ago would get in their lifetimes. And so we we adapt, right, everything is very very fast. And my little joke in the beginning is, yes, we talk about issues in a very short, quick frame of mind, and so we've adapted to like holding on to a roller coaster and you don't want to fall out, But it doesn't give you a lot of time to reflect. And I have to say, I'm still trying to. You know, we're professionals. We have to absorb a lot of information and understand it. But it is still mind boggling literally to think about the nature of what's occurred. But interestingly, it's not surprising. A lot of people in the aftermath of the assassination attempt noted that well, it was inevitable, and most of us, certainly for the last several years through COVID, were aware that something was not right. That something, you know, we seem to be moving through, something that we don't understand but we expect. And that's in large part what my book's about. And it's been three years I've been working on this book, you know, I mentioned to you years ago, and because this is an enduring issue, which is the issue of fear and its impact on us, but mostly is how it's reponized against us, training us in a way to retreat, to not look up, to be afraid to engage. And that's of course a whole other aspect about the nature of what we're now experiencing. So personally, I'm kind of maybe you are too, and others are, and your listeners and viewers are as well. It's almost like I can think about it in little bits because the concept of how dramatically the country and the world would have changed had the president not slightly turned his head at the right moment is shocking. So for me in the wake of the book now coming out on July twenty third, that it's been a year's long effort, but again an enduring dynamic where it's an ancient technique that is being still applied to us, which is the use of fear threats and intimidation to quell the population so that you don't feel safe going to a rally or speaking about issues, or going to a school board meeting to get involved in your kid's education. That there is a price to pay, and it usually it tends to work. Look where human beings the mind is fragile, techniques or techniques for a reason, because they work. For thousands of years, this has been used against populations around the world, and we're at a point now where we have frightening events and especially leading up to the attempted assassination, the nature of almost a decade of apocalyptic rhetoric being used normally just against political opponents, but it began to expand to the supporters, to average American voters and people about how we were a danger to the country, about how fascism and racism and systemic racism and all these other kind of threats to democracy and an end of the world as we know it. None of that is true, Lisa, as we know all of that is a lie, and yet it gets repeated by the authorities in the country, the president himself, Joe Biden, leadership in that party, the nature of the establishment. You know what else is frightening is hearing news that the then newly elected President Donald Trump in twenty sixteen seventeen was a Russian tody.

You know, I think as we're just a little over a week from these events, and our timeline these days moves so quickly because of technology. You know, we right now, in a single day in our lives get more information than somebody one hundred years ago would get in their lifetimes. And so we we adapt, right, everything is very very fast. And my little joke in the beginning is, yes, we talk about issues in a very short, quick frame of mind, and so we've adapted to like holding on to a roller coaster and you don't want to fall out, But it doesn't give you a lot of time to reflect. And I have to say, I'm still trying to. You know, we're professionals. We have to absorb a lot of information and understand it. But it is still mind boggling literally to think about the nature of what's occurred. But interestingly, it's not surprising. A lot of people in the aftermath of the assassination attempt noted that well, it was inevitable, and most of us, certainly for the last several years through COVID, were aware that something was not right. That something, you know, we seem to be moving through, something that we don't understand but we expect. And that's in large part what my book's about. And it's been three years I've been working on this book, you know, I mentioned to you years ago, and because this is an enduring issue, which is the issue of fear and its impact on us, but mostly is how it's reponized against us, training us in a way to retreat, to not look up, to be afraid to engage. And that's of course a whole other aspect about the nature of what we're now experiencing. So personally, I'm kind of maybe you are too, and others are, and your listeners and viewers are as well. It's almost like I can think about it in little bits because the concept of how dramatically the country and the world would have changed had the president not slightly turned his head at the right moment is shocking. So for me in the wake of the book now coming out on July twenty third, that it's been a year's long effort, but again an enduring dynamic where it's an ancient technique that is being still applied to us, which is the use of fear threats and intimidation to quell the population so that you don't feel safe going to a rally or speaking about issues, or going to a school board meeting to get involved in your kid's education. That there is a price to pay, and it usually it tends to work. Look where human beings the mind is fragile, techniques or techniques for a reason, because they work. For thousands of years, this has been used against populations around the world, and we're at a point now where we have frightening events and especially leading up to the attempted assassination, the nature of almost a decade of apocalyptic rhetoric being used normally just against political opponents, but it began to expand to the supporters, to average American voters and people about how we were a danger to the country, about how fascism and racism and systemic racism and all these other kind of threats to democracy and an end of the world as we know it. None of that is true, Lisa, as we know all of that is a lie, and yet it gets repeated by the authorities in the country, the president himself, Joe Biden, leadership in that party, the nature of the establishment. You know what else is frightening is hearing news that the then newly elected President Donald Trump in twenty sixteen seventeen was a Russian tody.

Oh, it was.

Oh, it was.

It was a spy for Russia. Well, Timmy, that's frightening as well.

It was a spy for Russia. Well, Timmy, that's frightening as well.

Well.

Well.

I wanted to dig in about something you said earlier. You mentioned with the intention of fear is obviously to change the way we behave as Americans. And I think when you said that, I had in my mind, you know, the image of President Trump standing up immediately after being shot with his fist in the air, of the American flag behind him, not backing down, not cowering, assuring the nation that he is safe, that Americans are safe, and then also having the bravery and the courage to say, you know what.

I wanted to dig in about something you said earlier. You mentioned with the intention of fear is obviously to change the way we behave as Americans. And I think when you said that, I had in my mind, you know, the image of President Trump standing up immediately after being shot with his fist in the air, of the American flag behind him, not backing down, not cowering, assuring the nation that he is safe, that Americans are safe, and then also having the bravery and the courage to say, you know what.

I'm going to the convention. I'm not changing, you.

I'm going to the convention. I'm not changing, you.

Know, like I'm not changed, right because because you had mentioned, you know, terrorists use that tactic, right that they want you to be fearful of your everyday movements, of changing the way you live. And but so it just you know, as you mentioned that, it just made me think, this man's just built different. You know, most people would be afraid to keep to go to the convention to keep living their life, but not him.

Know, like I'm not changed, right because because you had mentioned, you know, terrorists use that tactic, right that they want you to be fearful of your everyday movements, of changing the way you live. And but so it just you know, as you mentioned that, it just made me think, this man's just built different. You know, most people would be afraid to keep to go to the convention to keep living their life, but not him.

That is the perfect example, and why Trump is such a threat to the establishment is his behavior. Yes, his confidence, the nature of being sure about what he wants to accomplish, and he does it. We saw that in his first term. But that is a perfect example that as we look to other people in our community about how should we behave right? What's appropriate? Should I be afraid or maybe I shouldn't be, or you know, it's all different for each one of us about you know, what battles we can pick and choose. But that was the perfect illustration with the picture of him on the floor of the stage looking down, the blood streaming down. In those moments, we have to remember that he finally he realized he'd been shot. None of us know what that's like. I hope none of us do, and with your listening audience, but it's it's shocking, and so he has a moment. He has to gather himself, He has to get picked up because the force to protect him, you know, picked him up out of his own shoes. And the first thing as he's standing, he realizes obviously he's alive, but no one, none of us knew how seriously he was injured. Let alone, he would not have known how.

That is the perfect example, and why Trump is such a threat to the establishment is his behavior. Yes, his confidence, the nature of being sure about what he wants to accomplish, and he does it. We saw that in his first term. But that is a perfect example that as we look to other people in our community about how should we behave right? What's appropriate? Should I be afraid or maybe I shouldn't be, or you know, it's all different for each one of us about you know, what battles we can pick and choose. But that was the perfect illustration with the picture of him on the floor of the stage looking down, the blood streaming down. In those moments, we have to remember that he finally he realized he'd been shot. None of us know what that's like. I hope none of us do, and with your listening audience, but it's it's shocking, and so he has a moment. He has to gather himself, He has to get picked up because the force to protect him, you know, picked him up out of his own shoes. And the first thing as he's standing, he realizes obviously he's alive, but no one, none of us knew how seriously he was injured. Let alone, he would not have known how.

Serious bullets are coming either.

Serious bullets are coming either.

More. Yeah, there's still shooting. And finally, after a dozen shots, screaming, he gets picked up. He says, wait, let me get my shoes. Let me get my shoes, and so he's he's at least engaged, but he said something to it was either Selena Zito or buy in York. That was. It still gives me chills when when I think of it, he said. When I got up, and I'm paraphrasing here, and he looked out, he realized everyone was still there. Now that's key. Now we saw the bleachers behind him clearly, and there was carnage. There was blood everywhere. Corey was had been murdered at that point, two others seriously injured. And yet while some people on the peripheryce. This is a forty forty to fifty thousand people group, and normally, as we would expect, you'd think there would be this panicked rush to get out of this open field. But he looked out, and he said in this interview that I saw that everyone was still there, and I knew that I had to show them that I was okay, and that they we had to continue the work. And so that was my initial reaction with the fist going up in the air, his instinct in the moment. But also, and he didn't say this, but the nature of looking back, here's a man who does not know how gravely he is injured. Thank god it was not grave at all, but not knowing how gravely he was injured with a crowd of fifty thousand people. He's in his seventies, he is hurt, he's bruised from being pushed down to the ground, and this might as well have been his last words in public as far as he knew. And his choice was to tell people to fight, fight, fight, But and the context of immediately understanding that was don't give up, just like as he just did. As you noted, he got up, and he not only got up, but he needed to tell people something I think he told Byron York. He wanted to keep speaking, but then he said, but I realized, you know, I couldn't because I was shot. That's a good reason to stop speaking, you know, classic Trump.

More. Yeah, there's still shooting. And finally, after a dozen shots, screaming, he gets picked up. He says, wait, let me get my shoes. Let me get my shoes, and so he's he's at least engaged, but he said something to it was either Selena Zito or buy in York. That was. It still gives me chills when when I think of it, he said. When I got up, and I'm paraphrasing here, and he looked out, he realized everyone was still there. Now that's key. Now we saw the bleachers behind him clearly, and there was carnage. There was blood everywhere. Corey was had been murdered at that point, two others seriously injured. And yet while some people on the peripheryce. This is a forty forty to fifty thousand people group, and normally, as we would expect, you'd think there would be this panicked rush to get out of this open field. But he looked out, and he said in this interview that I saw that everyone was still there, and I knew that I had to show them that I was okay, and that they we had to continue the work. And so that was my initial reaction with the fist going up in the air, his instinct in the moment. But also, and he didn't say this, but the nature of looking back, here's a man who does not know how gravely he is injured. Thank god it was not grave at all, but not knowing how gravely he was injured with a crowd of fifty thousand people. He's in his seventies, he is hurt, he's bruised from being pushed down to the ground, and this might as well have been his last words in public as far as he knew. And his choice was to tell people to fight, fight, fight, But and the context of immediately understanding that was don't give up, just like as he just did. As you noted, he got up, and he not only got up, but he needed to tell people something I think he told Byron York. He wanted to keep speaking, but then he said, but I realized, you know, I couldn't because I was shot. That's a good reason to stop speaking, you know, classic Trump.

We'll accuse him on that one, and you know, yeah.

We'll accuse him on that one, and you know, yeah.

Well, but so that's where it becomes an interesting juxtaposition because in the aftermath people noted that there were no riots, no buildings were being burnt down, there was no raging mobs moving through the street, because you know, we had just experienced some maniac somehow being able to get close enough and try to blow off Donald Trump's head in front of the world, and yet there was no social reaction, and that crowd did not run for their own lives, and they started instead after they heard from him to chant Usa, Usa Usa. No one knew still if there was more to come, if the if there was more than one shooter, but it was the I think generally the nature of what Trump has asked of people and what he was doing at that time, which was showing that he would get back up, and that is the certainly everyone was afraid. Goes back to the nature of my book, which is that fear is important, but it's meant to be transitory, and then you can use logic and reason to make decisions about how you proceed. When fear is weaponized as the left has done, there are no perceived solutions. It is meant to feel never ending. It is described as endless, that there's no solution. It's systemic and the fact that it's also envy is encouraged. That you are being wronged and it will never be corrected. This is not the message that bodes well for anyone's future, and it is certainly not the message that conservatives tend to embrace, and it's not a Trump message. Trump's message is forward looking, we can do this, and his message that day with his fight Fight Fight, was don't stop, continue the work. And I think that that's why you see such a different response. And my book encourages people first to realize that the environment that we're living in is artificial, that this constant, chronic fear is false, that it is not organic, and that it's very simple to overcome it, as you saw everyone, fifty thousand people overcoming the fear, Trump overcoming the fear. Everyone at the convention overcoming their fear, because you've got to live your life. But it's about clicking in with your conscious, disciplined mind and not being manipulated and knowing that our actions matter.

Well, but so that's where it becomes an interesting juxtaposition because in the aftermath people noted that there were no riots, no buildings were being burnt down, there was no raging mobs moving through the street, because you know, we had just experienced some maniac somehow being able to get close enough and try to blow off Donald Trump's head in front of the world, and yet there was no social reaction, and that crowd did not run for their own lives, and they started instead after they heard from him to chant Usa, Usa Usa. No one knew still if there was more to come, if the if there was more than one shooter, but it was the I think generally the nature of what Trump has asked of people and what he was doing at that time, which was showing that he would get back up, and that is the certainly everyone was afraid. Goes back to the nature of my book, which is that fear is important, but it's meant to be transitory, and then you can use logic and reason to make decisions about how you proceed. When fear is weaponized as the left has done, there are no perceived solutions. It is meant to feel never ending. It is described as endless, that there's no solution. It's systemic and the fact that it's also envy is encouraged. That you are being wronged and it will never be corrected. This is not the message that bodes well for anyone's future, and it is certainly not the message that conservatives tend to embrace, and it's not a Trump message. Trump's message is forward looking, we can do this, and his message that day with his fight Fight Fight, was don't stop, continue the work. And I think that that's why you see such a different response. And my book encourages people first to realize that the environment that we're living in is artificial, that this constant, chronic fear is false, that it is not organic, and that it's very simple to overcome it, as you saw everyone, fifty thousand people overcoming the fear, Trump overcoming the fear. Everyone at the convention overcoming their fear, because you've got to live your life. But it's about clicking in with your conscious, disciplined mind and not being manipulated and knowing that our actions matter.

We've got more of Tammy.

We've got more of Tammy.

But first, you used to be on the left and so and what you've saw, you know with the convention, you know, Amber Rosebeak, we saw the teamster's president'speak. I mean, we really have seen a convention that sort of supersedes Red versus Blue. You know, how were you able to break free from the left's mind killing agendas? You write in your book you know, how are you all to break free? And do you foresee more democrats waking up to what you woke up to and changing their mind and changing their perspective breaking from it this year?

But first, you used to be on the left and so and what you've saw, you know with the convention, you know, Amber Rosebeak, we saw the teamster's president'speak. I mean, we really have seen a convention that sort of supersedes Red versus Blue. You know, how were you able to break free from the left's mind killing agendas? You write in your book you know, how are you all to break free? And do you foresee more democrats waking up to what you woke up to and changing their mind and changing their perspective breaking from it this year?

As you mentioned, Yeah, that mind killing phrase is actually from Herbert's Done, which most young people now know of through the films. But that's a story about the issue of you know, coming it to yourself, not being afraid of an overwhelming governing force that is after you. These are similar themes from the Bible on out right through Shakespeare's work is really about the Bible in many different ways, but it's the oldest story in humanity, is the nature of how can we be ourselves in the midst of this world we live in? For me, it was psychotherapy. I was on the left, and always I was seeing a therapist and one fashion or another to try to because I noticed, and I've written about this in my previous books, that I was doing what I was doing to try to help and organ ourselves out of existence, and realizing that, in fact, and told directly by some and the feminists, some leaders in the feminist movement, that that was not in our best interest, that we had to, as they say, rubsalt into the wound, just to make sure that we always existed, so that we'd be here when we were needed. And I realized then that it was a scam, that this was not not what I wanted. And I think that it's the psychological awareness of being able to, you know, look, the left praise on the damaged, and my early experience in life caused damage. It's not a surprise that I went to the left. The difference is and like the people you've mentioned, there's something that happens in our lives that makes us, for a moment even look up and say, wait a minute. And what's important especially for the conservative world, but for Americans in general. Because I've seen people worried about the Union guy and Amber Rose being there because they're you know, not Christian or not something else. It's like, wait a minute, this is about humanity, and aren't we here specifically so that when someone who'd been trapped looks up, we're here with open arms. Isn't that the Christian message? And I believe in God. I don't like organized religion, But isn't that the Christian ideal, which is the fact that none of us are perfect, all of us are seeking redemption. And I still to this day am doing just that, trying to make up for the earlier work I'd done. But the experience, as I've seen and written about here specifically, even personal experiences that I had in one case with a stalker, in another case with an earlier girlfriend. Your audience may not know I'm also gay. What were events that shaped my life where there were moments of clarity that allowed me to climb further out of that hole? And then certain conservatives. I wrought a section on rushlanbaw Meeting him happenstantically at a radio station where his show was syndicated and where I also worked KFI in Los Angeles, and that conversation over maybe a couple of hours, changed my life. And those are things you can't plan, but you have to be open to them. And I think it's just about thinking first about what's happened. And again we're on the roller coaster, but there's a moment and I want this book to serve this purpose, to consider what else is happening that you are not just condemned to this weird thing you have to live through. But the simplest things, Lisa, that we can do, because this is an issue of courage, which is beaten out of us, is the decision, as I made, and have made several times in my life, to say no, to say I want something better, and to not be afraid to identify as God forbid, a conservative, to say publicly I support Donald Trump or somebody else. People get mad at me too when I still say I like Nikki Haley, I like Rod DeSantis. You know, people get mad. It's like or it's just a minute. And we saw that from the convention, is that it's not like you have to be one hundred percent with somebody, but you know, this is a team effort to save this country and you will not always one hundred percent love everybody. But that's part of life, and it's the thing that you can actually enjoy is the challenges, you know, having debates. It's a thing I miss and I think we can get back to it, but it's really at the very end. I have five packs. We can make with ourselves. The very first one is to not allow strangers to determine how you think about yourself. Don't allow strangers to yell you're a racist and a bigot. If you don't do X, do not let that happen. You're in charge of your values and of who you are. And the moment you stop believing strangers or even family members who tell you you're a bad person, you will be free. Because that's like domestic violence, which I go into a little bit in the book, where a batterer continually attacks the self esteem, the worthiness, tells you you're no good, tells you you're the problem, says if you don't do this what I say to you, you're bad. You're going to be punished that if you don't do this thing, I'm going to break your nose. If you don't do this thing, I'm going to get you fired. It is exactly what's about playing right now, Lisa writ large in This Country.

As you mentioned, Yeah, that mind killing phrase is actually from Herbert's Done, which most young people now know of through the films. But that's a story about the issue of you know, coming it to yourself, not being afraid of an overwhelming governing force that is after you. These are similar themes from the Bible on out right through Shakespeare's work is really about the Bible in many different ways, but it's the oldest story in humanity, is the nature of how can we be ourselves in the midst of this world we live in? For me, it was psychotherapy. I was on the left, and always I was seeing a therapist and one fashion or another to try to because I noticed, and I've written about this in my previous books, that I was doing what I was doing to try to help and organ ourselves out of existence, and realizing that, in fact, and told directly by some and the feminists, some leaders in the feminist movement, that that was not in our best interest, that we had to, as they say, rubsalt into the wound, just to make sure that we always existed, so that we'd be here when we were needed. And I realized then that it was a scam, that this was not not what I wanted. And I think that it's the psychological awareness of being able to, you know, look, the left praise on the damaged, and my early experience in life caused damage. It's not a surprise that I went to the left. The difference is and like the people you've mentioned, there's something that happens in our lives that makes us, for a moment even look up and say, wait a minute. And what's important especially for the conservative world, but for Americans in general. Because I've seen people worried about the Union guy and Amber Rose being there because they're you know, not Christian or not something else. It's like, wait a minute, this is about humanity, and aren't we here specifically so that when someone who'd been trapped looks up, we're here with open arms. Isn't that the Christian message? And I believe in God. I don't like organized religion, But isn't that the Christian ideal, which is the fact that none of us are perfect, all of us are seeking redemption. And I still to this day am doing just that, trying to make up for the earlier work I'd done. But the experience, as I've seen and written about here specifically, even personal experiences that I had in one case with a stalker, in another case with an earlier girlfriend. Your audience may not know I'm also gay. What were events that shaped my life where there were moments of clarity that allowed me to climb further out of that hole? And then certain conservatives. I wrought a section on rushlanbaw Meeting him happenstantically at a radio station where his show was syndicated and where I also worked KFI in Los Angeles, and that conversation over maybe a couple of hours, changed my life. And those are things you can't plan, but you have to be open to them. And I think it's just about thinking first about what's happened. And again we're on the roller coaster, but there's a moment and I want this book to serve this purpose, to consider what else is happening that you are not just condemned to this weird thing you have to live through. But the simplest things, Lisa, that we can do, because this is an issue of courage, which is beaten out of us, is the decision, as I made, and have made several times in my life, to say no, to say I want something better, and to not be afraid to identify as God forbid, a conservative, to say publicly I support Donald Trump or somebody else. People get mad at me too when I still say I like Nikki Haley, I like Rod DeSantis. You know, people get mad. It's like or it's just a minute. And we saw that from the convention, is that it's not like you have to be one hundred percent with somebody, but you know, this is a team effort to save this country and you will not always one hundred percent love everybody. But that's part of life, and it's the thing that you can actually enjoy is the challenges, you know, having debates. It's a thing I miss and I think we can get back to it, but it's really at the very end. I have five packs. We can make with ourselves. The very first one is to not allow strangers to determine how you think about yourself. Don't allow strangers to yell you're a racist and a bigot. If you don't do X, do not let that happen. You're in charge of your values and of who you are. And the moment you stop believing strangers or even family members who tell you you're a bad person, you will be free. Because that's like domestic violence, which I go into a little bit in the book, where a batterer continually attacks the self esteem, the worthiness, tells you you're no good, tells you you're the problem, says if you don't do this what I say to you, you're bad. You're going to be punished that if you don't do this thing, I'm going to break your nose. If you don't do this thing, I'm going to get you fired. It is exactly what's about playing right now, Lisa writ large in This Country.

Well and Tammy, you know, as we talk about sort of this fear agenda and how the Left implements it, you lay out sort of the predictable pattern and it goes, you know, cut us off from our friends and family, gaslight us, tell us we misremember the past, break down our confidence, shame us, fill us with a fear of everything, and I might I mean that was COVID, right.

Well and Tammy, you know, as we talk about sort of this fear agenda and how the Left implements it, you lay out sort of the predictable pattern and it goes, you know, cut us off from our friends and family, gaslight us, tell us we misremember the past, break down our confidence, shame us, fill us with a fear of everything, and I might I mean that was COVID, right.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean talk a little bit about that, And I mean, have you ever seen as big of a fear agenda, you know, being implemented to try to force us into submission?

I mean talk a little bit about that, And I mean, have you ever seen as big of a fear agenda, you know, being implemented to try to force us into submission?

That was the Ultimately, there's a phrase I'll use which is a little crude. So I won't because of the years.

That was the Ultimately, there's a phrase I'll use which is a little crude. So I won't because of the years.

My mom my, mom my, mom gets mad at me if I curse, but you you're allowed to.

My mom my, mom my, mom gets mad at me if I curse, but you you're allowed to.

Yeah, you know, it's a it's a certain kind of dream for the for the left cod it's a certain kind of dream, and they couldn't contain themselves. Uh And COVID. Of course, the concept for this book arose prior to COVID, because again it's ancient, it's an ancient issue. And then COVID hit and it was the glee, the immediate you know, desire to It was every single thing in them in the kitchen that they put into the recipe, and it was like, this was the chance, This was the chance. And the problem, of course, which now Trump would not have in a second term is is Trump being from the outside, presuming that people in government would do what people in business do. Everyone has an interest in the business succeeding. Well, not in Washington. And you know, we now know from Burkes's book that he was lied to and manipulated and they didn't do what he asked. We know in a variety of ways. And now even the interviews with Fauci, which thank god I was able to get into the book earlier this year, even saying that, you know, the six feet apart thing just kind of appeared. We were told it was science and the masks right, it was like ten percent. It works on the margins.

Yeah, you know, it's a it's a certain kind of dream for the for the left cod it's a certain kind of dream, and they couldn't contain themselves. Uh And COVID. Of course, the concept for this book arose prior to COVID, because again it's ancient, it's an ancient issue. And then COVID hit and it was the glee, the immediate you know, desire to It was every single thing in them in the kitchen that they put into the recipe, and it was like, this was the chance, This was the chance. And the problem, of course, which now Trump would not have in a second term is is Trump being from the outside, presuming that people in government would do what people in business do. Everyone has an interest in the business succeeding. Well, not in Washington. And you know, we now know from Burkes's book that he was lied to and manipulated and they didn't do what he asked. We know in a variety of ways. And now even the interviews with Fauci, which thank god I was able to get into the book earlier this year, even saying that, you know, the six feet apart thing just kind of appeared. We were told it was science and the masks right, it was like ten percent. It works on the margins.

Trust the science. Trust, I know, trust the science.

Trust the science. Trust, I know, trust the science.

Science and science. Oh my god, so we But for too many who are dead in the nursing homes and the political choices that are made, the lives destroyed, the sobriety destroyed by people facing this kind of an insane thing. We talk about excess deaths. A friend of mine diagnosed she a young woman with third stage calon cancer, which she ignored in part because she thought it was long COVID. The lies. You know, when we think about excess deaths, the mental health of young people what we did, and not because we were running and willing to do it. In order to keep your job, you had to get the jab, in order to get your kids still in school, they had to wear a mask. And all of us were under such threat that we allowed certain things to occur. I of course write about that in the book, write about global warming, which is partly the training for this, the nature of the media and its role, the key to education. But the history, there's a history of this technique, and then I go into how it's now playing out in our world. But yes, for most people who just are trying to raise their families and live their lives, COVID was the revelation that something else was very not right and that this was a strange thing to be doing. And then of course the reaction to Trump, the efforts to the rhetoric about him. It was inevitable that this would happen, that there would be an attempt to kill him, because how many years go on when you call someone an existential threat and is Hitler somebody forget their politics. They're saying, oh, the guy on the roof, we don't know what his politics were. It doesn't matter. It even makes my point more significant is that anyone who's on the edge can be pushed over by this constant haranguing and lies that someone is going to be a threat to life as we know it. It's insane, and yet we now were seeing it play out, and the moment we're aware of it, so much of the power of it dissipates because we now understand that we don't have to adapt.

Science and science. Oh my god, so we But for too many who are dead in the nursing homes and the political choices that are made, the lives destroyed, the sobriety destroyed by people facing this kind of an insane thing. We talk about excess deaths. A friend of mine diagnosed she a young woman with third stage calon cancer, which she ignored in part because she thought it was long COVID. The lies. You know, when we think about excess deaths, the mental health of young people what we did, and not because we were running and willing to do it. In order to keep your job, you had to get the jab, in order to get your kids still in school, they had to wear a mask. And all of us were under such threat that we allowed certain things to occur. I of course write about that in the book, write about global warming, which is partly the training for this, the nature of the media and its role, the key to education. But the history, there's a history of this technique, and then I go into how it's now playing out in our world. But yes, for most people who just are trying to raise their families and live their lives, COVID was the revelation that something else was very not right and that this was a strange thing to be doing. And then of course the reaction to Trump, the efforts to the rhetoric about him. It was inevitable that this would happen, that there would be an attempt to kill him, because how many years go on when you call someone an existential threat and is Hitler somebody forget their politics. They're saying, oh, the guy on the roof, we don't know what his politics were. It doesn't matter. It even makes my point more significant is that anyone who's on the edge can be pushed over by this constant haranguing and lies that someone is going to be a threat to life as we know it. It's insane, and yet we now were seeing it play out, and the moment we're aware of it, so much of the power of it dissipates because we now understand that we don't have to adapt.

We can say no, we've got more of Tammy.

We can say no, we've got more of Tammy.

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Absolutely you know? And plus there's is a level of desperation they've seen at work. That's one of the Ish right. This is why there's suddenly a hubris begins to kick in. Like they just presumed that, you know, on July eleventh, that Trump would be in jail, So they were completely unprepared for any other scenario where they would have to explain Joe Biden. It wouldn't matter. They thought all of what they did, the you know, the indictments and the Marrologo rate, their disconnection with the nature of the American people and what we understand is mind blowing. And I think that as they because they've been successful. They saw their success with COVID, and this is why Fauci is still, you know, creating himself and strutting. He's got his little book out there. And Debora Burks writes a book proudly talking about how she missed. Like Trump would say, and his administration would say, let's do X, Y and Z here, and then they would take their papers and just like change the wording a little bit and move down the stuff they didn't like that. They wouldn't change anything, and she crowed about doing that. So I think that as they as they have an overestimation of themselves and underestimation of the American people, and they are just in this mode of scare the pants off everybody. And I talk in your I talk about England, where there was discussions through like the what's app app of government leaders during COVID talking about exactly that we have to literally we have to frighten them more. And so this is an understood technique that is to be applied for people's own good. And when they see it not working, oh boy, then they resent us even more, Lisa, and then they have to say more mean things because we are you know, racists and sexists and irredeemable and white supremacists and you know, existential threats. It's their mental health issues that we see playing out in real time.

Absolutely you know? And plus there's is a level of desperation they've seen at work. That's one of the Ish right. This is why there's suddenly a hubris begins to kick in. Like they just presumed that, you know, on July eleventh, that Trump would be in jail, So they were completely unprepared for any other scenario where they would have to explain Joe Biden. It wouldn't matter. They thought all of what they did, the you know, the indictments and the Marrologo rate, their disconnection with the nature of the American people and what we understand is mind blowing. And I think that as they because they've been successful. They saw their success with COVID, and this is why Fauci is still, you know, creating himself and strutting. He's got his little book out there. And Debora Burks writes a book proudly talking about how she missed. Like Trump would say, and his administration would say, let's do X, Y and Z here, and then they would take their papers and just like change the wording a little bit and move down the stuff they didn't like that. They wouldn't change anything, and she crowed about doing that. So I think that as they as they have an overestimation of themselves and underestimation of the American people, and they are just in this mode of scare the pants off everybody. And I talk in your I talk about England, where there was discussions through like the what's app app of government leaders during COVID talking about exactly that we have to literally we have to frighten them more. And so this is an understood technique that is to be applied for people's own good. And when they see it not working, oh boy, then they resent us even more, Lisa, and then they have to say more mean things because we are you know, racists and sexists and irredeemable and white supremacists and you know, existential threats. It's their mental health issues that we see playing out in real time.

Is the point of fear submission?

Is the point of fear submission?

Well it is, yes, it is about the retreat. It's not safe to think even with language changes. Lose your job for misgendering someone not using the right pronounce that the dumbest issues in the world. But that's the point. If they can get you to submit to the dumb things and that you don't know what the rules are from day to day, you will stop thinking about the issues even because it's too dangerous. So yes, the goal is to quell the population, and you do that in number of ways, making them frightened and creating a mass anxiety which stops critical thinking, and keeping them poor so that they don't have the mechanism with which to make change through donations or being able to fund psychotherapy or anything else. So you keep people afraid and poor. And now, since we're making marijuana illegal, and you're also going to be stoned, and then you'll eat too many twinkies and you'll be fat. It is the ultimate, they're mellion. You know, it's the ultimate or Wellian dynamic, and it's someone Look, I did drugs in my late teens and early twenties, and the one thing I did not like was pot one because it made me feel dumb and it made me hungry, and I've always had a weight issue, so the last thing I wanted. But now today's drugs are so different than they were thirty forty years ago. It is it's shocking to me that this is the movement. Is after all the stuff we did about smoking tobacco and the dangers of tobacco, but now we've like we looked to laws as a sign of what's acceptable. But it's not surprising when you want people to be quelled and all of these things work in so you have bad economies, You can't afford gasoline. That creates fear. You don't know what the future is going to be, so you don't make any big plans, You don't spend money on candidates, you don't go you don't have the money sometimes to go to a rally. You don't have You just you don't have the money to pay for bail in the event you get arrested. As school board meeting. You know, where does how does this end? And they think it just ends with a population that won't be bothersome And of course they're finding out that they've misread and underestimated the American people.

Well it is, yes, it is about the retreat. It's not safe to think even with language changes. Lose your job for misgendering someone not using the right pronounce that the dumbest issues in the world. But that's the point. If they can get you to submit to the dumb things and that you don't know what the rules are from day to day, you will stop thinking about the issues even because it's too dangerous. So yes, the goal is to quell the population, and you do that in number of ways, making them frightened and creating a mass anxiety which stops critical thinking, and keeping them poor so that they don't have the mechanism with which to make change through donations or being able to fund psychotherapy or anything else. So you keep people afraid and poor. And now, since we're making marijuana illegal, and you're also going to be stoned, and then you'll eat too many twinkies and you'll be fat. It is the ultimate, they're mellion. You know, it's the ultimate or Wellian dynamic, and it's someone Look, I did drugs in my late teens and early twenties, and the one thing I did not like was pot one because it made me feel dumb and it made me hungry, and I've always had a weight issue, so the last thing I wanted. But now today's drugs are so different than they were thirty forty years ago. It is it's shocking to me that this is the movement. Is after all the stuff we did about smoking tobacco and the dangers of tobacco, but now we've like we looked to laws as a sign of what's acceptable. But it's not surprising when you want people to be quelled and all of these things work in so you have bad economies, You can't afford gasoline. That creates fear. You don't know what the future is going to be, so you don't make any big plans, You don't spend money on candidates, you don't go you don't have the money sometimes to go to a rally. You don't have You just you don't have the money to pay for bail in the event you get arrested. As school board meeting. You know, where does how does this end? And they think it just ends with a population that won't be bothersome And of course they're finding out that they've misread and underestimated the American people.

You know, before we close. The book is out July twenty third. What do you hope people take away from it that.

You know, before we close. The book is out July twenty third. What do you hope people take away from it that.

They haven't been wrong right, that something's not right has been resonating, and that it is not something that it's not something that's going to be here forever, that we, in fact can stop it. It seems overwhelming, doesn't it. It's the whole government, it's the economy. How does that change? Trump showed us that certainly, through regulations and policies, our lives can change on a dime. Biden showed us that as well, the power of the presidency. Our lives changed in a day when he reversed all of the border rules. So we know that the presidency is powerful. We know through both experiences that it can change almost immediately. Most importantly, things change because our frame of mind changes. And I want people to have this as a tool. So it's a reminder that all of this, it's like a dream, it's artificial. You wake up and that thing that was terrifying you wasn't even real. That's what this is, and that's what I want the book to do, is to literally snap us out of it, to break the spell and the moment that happens. As we saw at the rally as an example, you saw a difference in how people and even some people are saying President Trump is a change man. I don't know. I think he's the same man. But anyone who faced, certainly an existential threat, is going to be reacting to that. The bottom line is he stood up and is doing what he did because we've had his back and we are not afraid. And that is how this nation works. So I want this book. What they take away, what everyone should take away, is that you're right that things aren't right. This is artificial and weak. It can be changed, and from just person to person, it can change from our own frames of mind and then what we do in the process of that. So it's very exciting and I hope people like it.

They haven't been wrong right, that something's not right has been resonating, and that it is not something that it's not something that's going to be here forever, that we, in fact can stop it. It seems overwhelming, doesn't it. It's the whole government, it's the economy. How does that change? Trump showed us that certainly, through regulations and policies, our lives can change on a dime. Biden showed us that as well, the power of the presidency. Our lives changed in a day when he reversed all of the border rules. So we know that the presidency is powerful. We know through both experiences that it can change almost immediately. Most importantly, things change because our frame of mind changes. And I want people to have this as a tool. So it's a reminder that all of this, it's like a dream, it's artificial. You wake up and that thing that was terrifying you wasn't even real. That's what this is, and that's what I want the book to do, is to literally snap us out of it, to break the spell and the moment that happens. As we saw at the rally as an example, you saw a difference in how people and even some people are saying President Trump is a change man. I don't know. I think he's the same man. But anyone who faced, certainly an existential threat, is going to be reacting to that. The bottom line is he stood up and is doing what he did because we've had his back and we are not afraid. And that is how this nation works. So I want this book. What they take away, what everyone should take away, is that you're right that things aren't right. This is artificial and weak. It can be changed, and from just person to person, it can change from our own frames of mind and then what we do in the process of that. So it's very exciting and I hope people like it.

Why I think they are going to like it, Fear itself exposing the left mind killing agenda out on July twenty third, Tammy Bruce Friend and colleague Pratio.

Why I think they are going to like it, Fear itself exposing the left mind killing agenda out on July twenty third, Tammy Bruce Friend and colleague Pratio.

I hope it's a huge, excess huge success. I know it'll be a huge success.

I hope it's a huge, excess huge success. I know it'll be a huge success.

Thank I hope.

Thank I hope.

Thank you loved having go on. I'd love to have you back on and he't wait to cheery on as you as you continue to talk about the book and just do great with it.

Thank you loved having go on. I'd love to have you back on and he't wait to cheery on as you as you continue to talk about the book and just do great with it.

So thank you so much. Thanks, it's great. Thank you Lisa.

So thank you so much. Thanks, it's great. Thank you Lisa.

It was my friend and colleague, Tammy Bruce. Appreciate her for taking the time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. I want to think John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.

It was my friend and colleague, Tammy Bruce. Appreciate her for taking the time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. I want to think John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.