In this episode, Lisa is joined by Congressman Jim Jordan. They discuss the extent of government censorship on American citizens, particularly conservatives. He talks about the collaboration between the federal government, big academia, and big tech to limit conservative speech and its impact on the 2020 election. He also discusses the censorship of information related to Hunter Biden's laptop and the role of the federal government in shaping the election. The conversation also touches on concerns about the 2024 election and efforts to curtail government censorship. New episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan just dropped another bombshell about collaboration between the federal government and private institutions to censor Americans. We'll talk to them about what you need to know, what it means for the country and looking back at the twenty twenty election, between this between the fifty to one former Intel officers lying about Hunter Biden's laptop, between the FBI going to Facebook to Twitter to warn them about it, to censor information surrounding Hunter Biden. How much of an impact did the federal government have on the twenty twenty election. Should we be concerned about the twenty twenty four election? What are they doing now to meddle We'll talk to Congressman Jim Jordan about all of that. Stay tuned for this important conversation. Well, Congressman, it's always an honor to have you on the show. I appreciate you making the time.
You beg good to be with you.
So let's talk about the extent of the governm government's censorship of American citizens.
You know, tell us a little bit about the election integrity partnership. You know, what did you learn? What should people know?
In the broad sense, this as you know, Matt Taby and Michael Schellenberger, the guys who put together the Twitter files. As they said, this censorship industrial complex is even bigger, broader, and more pervasive than we thought. You know, because we initially thought it was big government working with big tech to limit Americans speech and attack you know, sinser American speech, attack the First Amendment liberties. Well we now learned through what was going on at the Election Integrity Project that was big government, big academia, and big tech all working together. They were taking our tax dollars, running it through universities and putting together these this this effort brought effort to censor speech, and it was disproportionately conservative speech. So the Election Integrity Project was at Stanford, put together by universities, the government, in big tech, and they had this this this kind of elaborate software system where we refer to as like the dashboard where you there would be like take down this post or limit the visibility of this this tweet, and everyone could see it, everyone could operate on it, and again all used to censor President Trump. Sean Hannity, uh, Mike Hawk could be news. I mean, all kinds of organizations and conservatives were censored in this effort.
Were there any Democrats or was it all conservatives who were targeted from this?
Almost all conservatives? There were a few. And here's the kicker. It wasn't like it was I mean, it was all true information. It wasn't misinformation disb Sometimes it was just jokes. It was just humor that any you know, any anybody with any common sense could could figure out was a joke. But it was it was real information. And as it was, it was it was Americans. I mean, you know, like there's one thing. It was like, oh, if it's foreign information, I mean, maybe you have a bigger question there. We're talking about true information by Americans, inisence put up disproportionately targeting conservatives and of course using our tax dollars to do it all.
You know, and what we found through you know, throughout COVID, it's never information, as you pointed out, that's wrong.
It's just information that they don't like exactly.
They have a term for it that you know, the typical government, they come up with all these these these fancy terms. It's not misinformation disinformation. It's also now malinformation, which is true information. But they don't like the context. They don't like the way it's presented, they don't like the framework that it's given in. Well, Boloney, that's like, that's just a direct violation of the First Amendment. And frankly, even if it's false information, it's an attack on the First Amendment. But this was true information that they were going after.
And is there any specific content or was it kind of you know, wide ranging, like was it COVID related, was it you know, or was it just kind of everything?
It was everything. Now, obviously the EP of the Election Integrity Project was was focused on communications posts and tweets relative to the election, but in a broad sense it was it was it was COVID, as you point out, Lisa and the election information and frankly all kinds of other things too, But those are the two big areas where they where they really censored speech. And of course the Stanford Observatory and the Election Integrity Project all working together, was that was primarily focused on the election.
You know, between that and some of the you know, other censorship things we've heard about with the government and then the fifty one former Intel officers lying to the public about Hunter Biden's laptop and the FBI going to you know, Facebook and Twitter and warning them about the Hunter Biden's laptop, saying it's disinformation. I mean, how big of a rule did the federal government have an influencing and trying to shape the twenty twenty election.
That is a great question. I think it was a huge impact because remember they're doing all this this integrity project and this effort with our tax dollars. And then, as you point out, along comes the story in the New York Post on October fourteenth, twenty two twenty about the laptop, and they have you know the term that's uses they had pre bunked. They meaning the FBI, the government and Big Tech had kind of pre bunked the whole idea that there would be a late breaking story relative to in October, relative to the Biden family in the Biden campaign. And then along comes this story in the New York Post about the laptop and Hunter Biden, and and it's like everyone is ready then to just label this disinformation because of what had happened leading up to that, the meetings that the FBI had had with Big Tech and kind of pre programmed tould be on the alert or something that the FBI already had this laptop and it knew it was real, so that all plays out. So yeah, I think that had a huge impact because that information was basically censored and kept from the American people. Again, just two weeks prior to the biggest election we have, which is election for President of the United States.
Let's take a quick commercial break more with Congressman Jim Jordan. One would have to conclude that they're also trying to shape the twenty twenty four election. Have you, guys, have you been privy to anything, have you heard of anything?
You know? What should we be concerned about there?
That is why I think our work is so important. Our work and then also the well, let me said this way, just sometimes by by by bringing this to the public's attention, to the American people's attention, you changed the way these agencies to operate. There was no longer a Disinformation Governance Board when they tried to run that through a year and a half ago at the Department of Homeland Security. The IRS just announced two and a half months ago that they will no longer be making unannounced visits to Americans homes. That the Commissioner of the of the Internal Revenue Service said, well, we're doing that for the safety of our agents. Boloni. They're doing it because we caught them knocking on Matt Taiebe's door at the very time he was testifying in front of our committee about censorship. They were trying to intimidate him knocking on his door. Turned out, by the way that they actually owed me Taiebe money, So well, you can change there. And so I think bringing this out has has curtailed any efforts that may have been underway to have the same kind of influence in twenty twenty four. And then finally you couple all that with the suit the case in the Fifth Circuit where the Attorney General from Louisiana and Missouri had brought this case on these agencies censoring speech, and we got a great decision there. I think that case is going to the Supreme Court, and I think we'll get a good decision from the court there in saying you can't do this. That was censorship, These agencies working with big tech with censorship. So I feel like we've made a huge difference and curtailed any effort that may have been underway to impact the twenty twenty four election.
Didn't they sort of use the Russia interference lie in twenty sixteen to sort of lay the groundwork for all of this, of like, oh, we have to spy on Americans because of the ray. I mean, wasn't that sort of didn't that sort of lay down the groundwork for all of this?
Yeah, that became the reason for launching this new this agency, SYS this this, you know, the the idea was, oh, we don't want anyone interfering with the you know, the way elections work, the sort of the infrastructure of elections. Well that's that's all well and good, But when you get into censoring speech talking about the election, talking about the politics, that's an entirely different story and a violation of the First Amendment. So, but the the premise for all of it, the foundation for all of it was the concern about Russian interference in our elections.
And then of course the big lie about that is it's actually our own government.
That's do.
Which is actually the way scarier.
And they used that that that quote Russian interference issue to do all kinds of things you're not allowed to do in a in a bigger sense as well, And that's you know, they use that as the reason to spy on President Trump's campaign, and then they use that as the reason to launch the Muller invest thirty million dollars, nineteen lawyers, so many agents, you know, this this whole thing, and they found no losing, no coordination whatsoever. But they used all that is the premise for so many things that just I tied our government up and knots in the Trump administration and it was all just a bunch of boloney. I mean, Russia tried to influence the election. I'm not disagreeing with that, but the idea that President Trump was involved was all a bunch of blown.
But it's also like they always do, right, I mean, like, you know, there's always some sort of meddling that has gone on, probably historically from different you know, of enemy countries and what have you, and you know, we're probably doing it to them.
It's just sort of seems like, you know, par for the course or less.
If interviewed Ron Paul about this, because way back in nineteen ninety eight, he was talking about how the FBI was designed to spy on American citizens who disagreed with the government, and I was like, you know, how does it.
Feel to be right about so many things.
You know, it really does beg the question of are we just finding out more about, you know, how nefarious our own government is because of social media and because the curtain's been rolled back a little bit, or how long has this stuff been going on?
Well, certainly since six that's when when I think so many of us figured out, wait, something doesn't something's not right here, this whole Trump you know, Trump Russia collusion, blogeie and God blessed Devin Nunis because he was the first. But there were really only a handful of us in the in the Congress who said this is this is bogus, this, this is not making sense. And then there were a handful of you all on the on the on the outside, in the journalist world who who said the same thing. And it's funny because when it all was all said and done, the only thing we had wrong, the handful of us in the media and in Congress who were raising concerns about all this. The only thing we had wrong is it was worse than we thought. I mean that, that's the one thing it was like, it is actually worse than we thought it was. What they were trying to do spying on his campaign. What they did to Michael Flann Carter paid all these other it was ridiculous. So we started to get to know there and then we've learned things since then that they were looked actually looks like they were spying on Devin Nunis's staff. We found out a week and a half ago that one of the staffers for Senator Grassley uh they were looking at his UH call records and his email records. So that's that's when you start. When when when they're looking at staff on Capitol Hill, and we've sent a letter now asking who else were you spying on? Who else were there? Were their members? Were there other staffers. I think we've really learned a lot in the last six seven years, but it really kind of started with what they did to President Trump and his campaign.
Talk a little bit about Delaware US Attorney David Weiss and what he told the House Judiciary Committee.
What did you learn from him? What should people know?
The biggest takeaway is that everything the whistleblowers have told us has stood up. We've now deposed seven individuals associated with the investigation. FBI agents, US attorneys, and the head of the DJ tax division. They've all in none. No one can refute what mister Shapley and mister Zigler brought forward. Uh David Weiss included. Now he talked primarily about the authority he had, and what was interesting he was asked during the deposition, did you ever seek special attorney status which would have allowed him to bring the charge to any jurisdiction around the country, And he said, yes, he did in the spring of twenty twenty two, but he wasn't given that status. And so in essence, when he went to other US attorneys to where the case should be, you know, charges should be brought, and they turned him down. He couldn't prosecute there without that status, and he asked for it and wasn't given it. So the long of it and the long and the short of it is that he wound up letting the statute of limitations expire for certain tax chars where there was a huge tax liability that Hunter Biden had and it was the years that dealt with the income he received from the Ukrainian energy company Barisma. And that I think is important because that that laps that statute of limitations expired, and if he gets into that that takes you right to the White House, because remember Joe Biden when he was vice president, then used our tax dollars as the reason to fire the prosecutor who was investigating and looking into Bearisma. And I think that that was why they let that expire. And it was interesting he needed that special attorney status to bring those charges. He wasn't given that status and was denied by the district attorney in the Washington DC district to bring charges there. So that was sort of the biggest takeaway kind of confirmed again what mister Shapley and mister Zigler had already told us.
Well, I mean it seems a little too obvious to let the Barisma years run out of the statue, right, I mean that seems a little too on the nose.
I think this, in the end, this impeachment inquiry that we're involved in, is really the the you know, I always say a tale as old as time. Here you had a politician who takes certain actions, those actions benefit his family financially, and then there's an effort to sweep it all under the rug. And that is what happened because certain key facts are one Hunter Biden gets put on the board of this Ukrainian energy company, Barisma. Fact number two, he's not qualified to be on the board. Fact number three, the head of Barisma asked Hunter Biden, can you help relieve the pressure we are under. Immediately after getting that request, Hunter Biden calls DC. According to Devon Archer, called his dad, called the Vice President Joe Biden. Five days later, Joe Biden's in Ukraine and he starts the process to fire the prosecutor, and he holds up American tax dollars that we're going to go to Ukraine and aid to get it done. Now, all those four facts comport with what the confidential human source told us in this now famous ten twenty three form where the confidential human source told the FBI. The FBI recorded in that form about Barisma paying the Bidens to get certain actions done. And then, of course the sweeping and under the rug is what David Weis did. He swept it under the rug by letting the statute of limitations expire and all kinds of things that that investigation did. They slow walk this nub in five year investigation for goodness sake. So to me, that is the sort of the crux of the matter. And we continue to investigate now and look at some of the the other money trails and other things that are happening since that that have happened since then. With mister Comber's is in the middle of that. We've just sent a number of subpoenas that will help us get more answers.
What should people be paying attention to right now, you know, sort of what's most important in the work that you're doing right now and trying to hold the government accountable.
Obviously, the report we released on what they were doing with censoring American speech and they're run up to the twenty twenty election, the Selection Integrity Project, and we think is important relative to the investigation and look back up and coming out of that and all of this is the FIES up has the pies of law, particularly the seven of what's called the seven H two program has to be reauthorized by is up for reauthorization by the end of this year, so we're working on that. That's going to be important here the last two months of this this calendar year. And then then of course it's the work we're doing on the impeachment inquiry, which is part of our you know, part of our constitutional duties. To do oversight. Would continue to do that, and number of subpoenas went out yesterday, more going out today that we'll get people in front of us that we need to talk to.
Jim Jordan, Congressman from Ohio, chairman of the Hop Judiciary Committee, you're doing really important work. So we appreciate you taking the time, and we appreciate you holding our government accountable.
It's incredibly important right now.
You bet, thank you, thanks for all you do. You take care.
That was Congressman Jim Jordan, of course, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, doing really important work. Appreciate him taking the time to join the show and bring us all that information. I want to thank you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. I want to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.
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