In this episode, Lisa welcomes Rebeccah Heinrichs from the Hudson Institute to break down the rapidly evolving U.S.–Iran conflict and what comes next.

Together, they unpack the current stalemate facing Donald Trump’s strategy, as military success gives way to a far more complicated political reality. With Iran’s leadership fractured and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps increasingly acting independently, the path to a lasting resolution looks anything but clear.

The conversation dives into the high-stakes battle over the Strait of Hormuz, where ongoing threats continue to disrupt global energy markets and raise the risk of broader conflict. Why hasn’t the U.S. been able to rally allies to secure it—and what does that say about America’s position on the world stage?

Lisa and Rebeccah also explore whether this conflict is drifting toward a prolonged war, what a realistic “win” actually looks like, and how internal divisions inside Iran could ultimately reshape the outcome.