Steve Bannon was one of the masterminds behind Donald Trump's 2016 presidential election. He also helped lead the realignment of the Republican Party, which is now the political party of working Americans. What did he see that others didn’t? And what does he expect for the midterms? Lisa and Steve get into the big issues. Also, did you know he served in the Navy, produced movies, and co-founded Breitbart?
Welcome back to the Truth with Lisa Booth. This episode, we've got Steve Bannon. He is fascinating. I found this conversation so fascinating. The guy is brilliant. I mean, love him or hate him, but he is so smart. I mean I could have spent the entire day ask him questions. We we get into his time working as one of the masterminds behind Donald Trump's election, but he also helped lead the realignment we're seeing in American politics today, where the left is now this party of coastal leads. You know, I always say the best headline to summarize today's left is AOC legally parking her tesla outside of a Whole Foods. Like that's today's political left. Right and the right has really become the party of the working class. So how did that happen? We're gonna get into it with Steve Bannett. We're also going to talk about his blue collar upbringing and which which really kind of helped spearhead that movement, and why he cared about a lot of issues that he got the rest of the Republican Party to care about as well. We get into a lot of other big ticket ideas like immigration, inflation, and why the left has it out for him and conservatives. I mean, he's been indicted by a federal grand jury for refusing to comply with subpoena from the January six Committee as Biden's d o J and the political left continue to target him in a political witch hunt. We're gonna get into that. And before we got into politics, he served in the Navy, he produced movies, he helped co found the conservative news outlet breitbar and now he has Steve Bannon's War Room, a podcast and show which you can go out and watch. Fascinating interview. Fascinating man. I really hope you enjoyed this conversation. Without further ado, here's my convo with Steve Bannon. Right, so, this is the second episode of the new season of The Truth with Lisa Booth, and we've got Steve Bannon for this episode. I'm a huge fan. Mean, the guy has done everything. He worked in Goldman Sachs, he produced Hollywood movies, he co founded Bright Bart, then he went on to work for the Trump campaign White House. I mean, what haven't you done, Steve Bannon? Well, some successfully, some let's say less successfully, dope, but I've I've had, I've had, I've had a great life, been very fortunate. It's just it's fascinating. But one thing I think is really interesting is so we've seen this massive shift in the two parties, right, I mean, the Republican Party has really become the party of the working class. The left is just increasingly become this party of the coastal leads. And you've had a heavy hand in that, in shaping that direction, particularly working or you know, helping a lead and run the Trump campaign in two sixteen. What did you see that others didn't. But this kind of came after it was really the financial crisis to crisis of two thousand and eight. Look, I came from its very fortunate to come from a Democratic you know, Irish Catholic Union family in the South, and and you know, had military service, so we were always kind of you know, we were Kennedy Democrats, and uh, you know, became my family became big Reagan supporters because of his stance in the military, and uh, you know, and after the Vietnam War. So I just saw in the financial crash of two thousand and eighth, at least take care of themselves. And you know, the Republican Party seemed to have no solutions as the working class and the UH, the African Americans has Spanish got wiped out on the airquity in their homes. Everybody got trashed in the stock market. The bailots were all the you know, the concentration of wealth increased even more as they blew up the Balanchie, the Fed and then the Tea Party. I got very involved. We met, you know, I knew Andrew for a number years, but we both got very engaged in the beginning of the Tea Party. I made a bunch of films, so we kind of saw the populist nationalism, and you know, I was a big supporter of Sarah Palin's I tried I made a biography of Sarah Palin, the film. I tried to get her to run for president. I saw this populist nationalist, you know, shift the Republican Party. And I had known Trump, not well, but I had known him for a couple of years. And then when as soon as he became real at Sepack and I followed this guy around and I said, this guy is the real deal. So it was, you know, it was the country is definitely shifting in a much more populist direction. Overall, even the Democratic Party has got quite a big group of left wing populist that I think we can carve off at least a third of. So no, we're it's politics today is really driven by populism, and it's the defining point is really the globalist versus the nationalists. So that's where I think we're We're a movement on the ascendant, and we have a unique opportunity, Lisa in November to really destroy the Democratic Party as a national polic institution if we just focus maniacally on on the top, you know, on what we have to do to do that. So I think we're in a unique time in American history. What do you think those issues should be when you look at ahead at the mid terms. Well, first of I think it's a referendum on the illegitimate Biden regime. You know, we're very big on the Three November movement, which is the illegitimacy of the of the election itself, and uh, we believe that underpins much of the creatoring of of of his numbers. So number one, I think it's continued to to focus on uh, basically not just election integrity going forward, but what happened on three November and how we have to get to the bottom of that, because this guy is certainly not legitimate, and the and the and our enemies know that. You know, I'm I'm the first UH and I think only Savellian in American history be sanctioned formally by the Chinese Communist Party along with you know, Mike Pompeo and Matt Pottinger and Peter Navarro after the Trump administration left office. But those three were government officials at the time. I was a Savellian UH and and I can tell you that, you know, we're in a very unique time in American history, and that's why this the issue has got to be the Chinese Counties Party know the Biden's illegitimate. That's why I treating with no respect, not just specklessness, not just as haplessness, not just as radical policies and the inability to execute on anything. But they realize he's illegitimates that's number one. The others have to be the economy and what's happening not just with the inflation, but whereas the destruction of working class and middle class jobs, and obviously the invasion on the southern border has to be another high element. And and and also the this whole cultural war that's really metastasized into really trying to destroy the American family through using children to destroy it. So it's it's so much. And this is why three November losing, having the elections stolen was so providential, and that they've turned over their face cards, and I think you see the radical nature of this. So I anticipate that this is going to be historic midterm election that's going to have, you know, massive consequences. But I think first and foremost is you have to make it a referendum on how Biden the Democrats have run things. And obviously the police telling us even among their core constituencies where that's hispanic to African Americans, the youth today, you look at any of the polling and the bottom has totally fallen out of this regime. Why do you think they hated him so much? And I say they because it's sort of like these collective forces, right, And we saw the media, we saw Congress doing so many unnecessary investigations, We saw big tech, we saw I mean even you know, probably China trying to meddle the I mean, the list goes on and and also hate you and everyone else who is associated with the Trump campaign and White House as extension. But why do you think they hated him so much or hate him so much? But let's go back to sixteen, because I think that he for the first time, really gave working class people, in middle class people a place at the table. You know, the Democratic Party has kind of kind of gotten it was kind of split between a proletariat that depends on the government in these cold coastal elites and the Republican Party uniparty is really a controlled opposition at best and oftentimes goes along and see the spending bills in the in the situation Ukraine, their neoliberal, neo cons So Trump was the first relay to get to offer the American people a source of strength that would represent them, you know, in the room and in d C. As you know better than anybody, Lisa, not in the room, not in the deal. And the American people are working with the people that are hordable, the people that pay the taxes, the sons and daughters fighting these wars all over the world, um, the ones that really build our civic society. And underpinned the real, the true America of every ethnicity, race, religion that they didn't have representation, and Trump put him in the room. That's why Trump, being a Bayonaire and someone who come from Queens but going to New York have been enormously successful and then been enormously successful in Hollywood and in TV with The Apprentice. He's hated because he really uh understood the game and represented that people had no representation. And he is absolutely hated. And I tell people at his age, you know, being worth I don't know, five six, seven, eight billion dollars and buying golf clubs that turn into you know, major championship venues. He had with a family that loves him and a great wife and children. He had no reason to do this, right, because they're going to try to destroy you. He did it because he's a patriot and loves this country. And that that's why they hate him. And I mean the hatred is it's even now. I mean every day they're trying to personally destroy and put him in jail, take his all his wealth away. It's they know no bounce and they know no depths of how they'll they'll go about doing it. So that's why I think and I think so that's why people not just lov him, but people understand very deeply that he's fighting for them, and he's he's an authentic fighter for them. And I think that's one of the powers of what President Trump has taken the populace nationalist movement and put us for twenty years of where he would have been, even with leaders like Palin and other people. He's just done an extraordinary job. But he's put not the room, not in the deal. And he not only put the working class in the room, he put him at the head at the table. Well. And we saw just the left contempt for working class Americans during COVID. I mean think about like, I just think it's evil to tell hard working Americans are not essential or Okay, you put your blood, sweat and tears into this business that you've built from nothing, that you've invested everything, and we're just going to shut it down for no reason. I mean, don't you think that just showed that it's not just like even a disconnected it's a contempt from the left for working class Americans. I think it's a great way to say it. Yes, it's a contempt and it's into thinking. Remember, they think they can paper it over with a couple of tips like the the the American Rescue planer. Remember that dropping aggregate demand, that massive dropping aggurate demand that came about in the first you know, three or four months of the pandemic, when President Trump and and and that's recommending we tried different things like flattened the curve, but things that really had to given the evidence of the time. So it's like to take care of the capacity realization issues, ventilators and ice use and all that that you would try to, you know, do lockdowns or shrug certain parts of the country down. Um, that drop an aggregate demand was tremendous, and President Trump's first thing was to make sure that people could bridge that gap. What the Democrats have done since then with just this quote unquote follow the science, which is anything but in these mandates was really destroy much of the service business and in the big cities. And that's why you have such anarchy and chaos in places like Chicago, places like New York, places like Los Angeles, and their contempt for essentially even people that vote for them is astounding. And that now they think they can paper it over which is continue to pass these massive deficit spending bills that could somehow give somebody really essentially tip money, while the destroying and mecanomically. I remember also the working class and in the in the lower middle classes is among the highest percentage of churchgoers and people, particularly Hispanic community. And look what they did to the religious services. I mean, it's unprecedented and not just an American history, it's unprecedented in in two thousand years of Christian history that we did. We know, we missed two easters, right, It's it's like shocking all by government FIA government directions. So no their contempt for their uh for their own people that both of them as a standing. Remember in this current issue with inflation, runaway inflation, you see Democrats on TV all the time or in the op ed section of the New York Times proposing one of their biggest solutions is to increase immigration, which is essentially just destroying wages for working class and Hispanics and African Americans. They really have no feeling, no feeling overall, no care overall for the whole person when it comes to working class people and their contempt for their own voters. This is why I think Trump's message, in the message of the populace right is starting to resonate. That's why I think you see in the rear Grand Valley in South Texas among Hispanics, where we could get over fifty vote this time African Americans, we get over vote Asians maybe thirty. I think you're seeing that people understand they have the Democratic Party as contempt for their own voting base and really no solutions. And that's why I think we're offering a real altendative and people are coming to that alternative. Well, you know, Steve, basically, you know, Jen Psaki says you should just go to kickboxing, go home, drink a margarita, and then go purchase a sixty Tesla and it's all going to be okay. But you know, we look at heading into the election, by the way, I think at that point that that that no, that shows you their arrogance. No, totally. Some of the things that some of the things that come out of them is a shocking. You know, with just a gas prices are too high, would you wouldn't be a problem with his electric vehicle. I mean, they're so detached, these coastal elites who just really talk to themselves and have their own and they look they control the oligarchs and Silicon Valley, the Wall Street hedge funds, the world corporations, all the media, but they talk to themselves and they're so detached from the reality of the life of working class Americans in the middle class. And I think she's in the perfect example when you you say that, I know it's in tongue of cheap, but those are as, you know, things she said and and our others have said. And I think it's starting to rub people the wrong way. And that's one of the biggest advantages we have, and we have to capitalize on it this November well, and again to your point, the reason I said that is I think it continues to show this contempt for working Americans, as you pointed out, this great disconnect to this content. But you know, we we looked at heading into the election, there's so much unnecessary fear about COVID. Uh. You know, I know I was getting increasingly for us to with the conversations happening at the country just people weren't looking at the data, weren't presenting context. It was just fear, fear, fear. How much of that was to prevent Donald Trump from getting elected or was it about power or was it both. It's interesting, it's a very interesting question. Number one. I think if you really look at there's a great piece of American greatness actually today that talks about Tumbler and talks about how tom or is something that really drives a lot of the messages on the left, and it's really dominated by young women. Right. One thing I think we know from the progressive left and even from the world culture is they live in fear. They actually live in fear there. They're they're they're uh, they're all about risk. Uh, their risk averse, completely risk averse about every aspect of their life, and they really live in total fear um. And that is just so not what the American experience is about. The American experience is not similarly about risk taking. It's about being very sophisticated, no matter what your education level, is about risk mitigation. So therefore you can take risk. The American people working at people of people with no education. But my family is a perfect example. But obviously millions and millions of others that came to this country and helped build this country and took risk in doing it, but they knew how to mitigate that risk. Today with this progressive left, you see their fear base. They live in fear. In addition, the one thing they hated so much, it was obviously something to to to uh, to destroy Trump and to stop his presidency at all costs. Now, one of the things that we're finding out as we've got a program with Naomi Wolf where she's going through the Fiser documents. Remember these Fiser de Fiser and all the pharma serial companies didn't have to put forward their their their papers on any of these clinical trials for seventy years. A federal judge or returned that and that's not been opened up. And we've been working with Naomi Wolf and others to crowdsource investigation there now in the fifth or six week and and it's quite disturbing what they're finding from these original documents, which is this is not just a this is not was a massive clinical trial, which kind of makes sense because it takes about ten years again a vaccine with a massive clinical trial in addition that fights in the company's new and FDA new. This is probably a failed clinical trial, or at least a clinical trial that was going to take a lot longer early on. But no, this this, this is a fear based attempt to h to make sure that Donald Trump didn't have a second term, and they pulled out all stops. Well, and that's why I'm not getting the vaccine because of some of the points that you've raised, and we just don't have enough information on it. And then you look at you know, I'm not high risk. I never have been, so it never made sense to force people like me, or really anyone to get something they didn't want that isn't thoroughly studied. But like even deeper to your point about the f d A and just the corruption. I mean, we've seen it with the CDC as well. You look at the d o J and the FBI targeting Trump. It just seems like corruption is so entrenched in our government. We saw the way that average citizens were treated during COVID as well. I mean, can we right this ship as a country we're so far away from you know, Okay, that's a great point. But let me just say, Okay, so when I was at the White House and talked at Sepeck that you're in seventeen and talked about the deconstruction of the administrative staping with those more things. It's not siftinitly the corruption of washingtond C. Something's happened over the last fifteen or twenty is very different. We now have a fourth branch of government that's actually supersedes all the rest of and that is the administrative state. It's it's it's even deeper. It's even uh deeper than just a bureaucracy. And it's not a deep state, because I tell people it's up in your face. The administrative state is what you see in the Public Health Services and with Fauci and Collins. Dr. Collins and all the rest of that gang. It's what you see in the National security apparatus and the intelligence apparatus. You go across any branch of the government, you have something that's much more embedded than the legislative branch, much more the the executive branch. And think about it for a second. A president and with President Trump, we have you only have four thousand political appointees to run the entire government. Of those, one thousand have to be sent it confirmed. I mean. One of the big failings, and we know this from the Trump administration. This populous nationalist movement. When we came to power so quickly and for such a come from behind victory, we had a tough time staffing things. Now we're going to make sure that doesn't happen again. Is now we're to have academies and have groups that are out there getting people ready and getting people reading their expertise so we can hit the deck plates running next time. But the administrative state is massive. And everything you saw in COVID, everything, everything you really have seen in this Ukraine situation, from the appeachment of Trump all the way to what's happening now. Everything you've seen a d o J and the FBI of of calling American moms and Dad's domestic terrorists, this is all the administrative state. And this administrative state is permanent. It was set up by progressives thirty or forty years ago to be to be something that was impervious to elections, and Trump showed you it's remember the entire fight we had uh in the in the years of Trump the first term. It wasn't the Chinese countiest party. We confronted them head on and we're winning. It was Trump's biggest fights, and quite frankly, we lost more than we won was with the administrative state. The administrative state was after Trump. In fact, the whole impeachment was about the administrative state. This is a singular problem in the United States of America today and it has to be addressed this November. I think you're gonna see, Lisa, many of the investigations in the House UH next year, starting in January next year, are going to be directly focused on the administrative state. You see people like Jim Jordan's, Matt Gates, darryl Isa, these real hammers who know how to investigate. As Gates calls it, every committee will be an oversight committee. I think you're gonna see a battle royal starting in January this year at the House level with investigating to take it with the House, a Republican controlled, MAGA controlled House taking on the administrative state. So Steve, you know, I totally agree with that, and I certainly I pray for that. That's what we need as a country. But you know, you're a solutions guy, You're a deep thinker. The next Republican president, how does how does that individual fight the things you just laid out, what solutions need to be brought, How do we fight the administrative state. Well, it's two twofold. Number One, you've got to get control of its starting with the House. I remember, the House controls all appropriations. The founders were the founders were visionary and setting up our government, and that the House of Representatives itself at the time even more, had much more power than the executive bridge. And they would have never thought that the executive branch had gotten as powerful as it is, and particularly with the administrative stay part of it. So Number one, it has to be confronted. It has to be choked down on money starting now. That's why these midterms are important, and particularly who the leadership in the House has been important. Look, the next president, I'm absolutely convinced will be Donald J. Trump, and I think President Trump is much more sophisticated and much more wary today of what the administrative state or the deep strait state is, and I think he will go in with people a team around him that after two years of a Republican House really going after this, the continuation will be he'll take it on even more. And remember, if we're ever to get close to balancing our budget, and right now we cannot continue. We don't have a sustainable business model. We just don't. Right now, we have a structural annual deficit of about a train to a train of dollars. It's not sustainable. We're not gonna be a raised taxes that high. I'm a big proponent of raising taxes on the wealthy. There's just not enough to say. You can't raise taxes that high. You can't generate fees or revenues you're going to have to grapple with. We're going to have to start to cut the size of the federal government has to happen, and somebody like Trump that that can happen, but it's going to have to happen from the House and then from an administration that follows on that's prepared to take on and deconstruct the administrative state. How bad is the economy right now? I think it. Here's how bad the economy is. I think that if you look at the um, if you look at the supply of of of money of dollars, I think I think it's m two is a category is basically five treeon dollars in circulation. On March twelve, when President Trump declared an emergency around COVID, I think today that numbers twenty three to twenty five three dollars. We have so kicked up the printing presidency here and run up these deficits over thirty three dollars a face amount of debt on the nation's balance sheet. There's also nine trillion dollars on the Fed. Remember we've put pumped to liquidity into this, into this carcass. The the American economy, if you really look at its real operations, has been a disaster. It's really a disaster. And now part of the inflation is coming because it's been so much printing money as so much spending. We we really and this is the irresponsibility of the political class and uniparty. What we just did in passing this spending bill a couple of weeks ago is outrageous. It's essentially almost two trillion dollars of of of of discretionary spending. Remember, we have about three and a half threeion dollars of transfer payments to Medicaid Medicare source security. That also happens to be just by happenstance, the amount of money roughly we take into taxes and revenues. So the transfer payments really as our tax structure is today's basically a wash. Everything else is then discretionary spending. That has to be the way we pay for that is just print is just print money. And and so you can't do it. We CBO tells us we have a structural deficit of at least of three in dollars. Part that's driven by a defense budget that's almost a trillion dollars the official counting bay. And I think, but it's it's obviously of the department should be added up. It's a tree in dollars. We can we cannot continue to support this. This fight in Ukraine is about the the the post war liberal rules based order right. The United States cannot continue to underwrite this, and we do underwrite that as that order quote unquote has allowed our greatest existential threat ever, the Chinese Commis Party, to come from a one treeon dollar economy in to essentially a twenty three in dollar economy and to basically have the ability to take us on and destroy the United States of America as a as a hedgemon on the Eurasian land mass. So no, this is it's not sustainable. This is we're going to have looks all the easy decisions for this country or decades and back of us. For anybody under thirty five right now, you're you're essentially ten of my to a Russian surf. And what I mean by that is that, uh, you're you're better educated, you're better informed, you're in better shape, you have a better diet, better health, but you don't own anything, and you're not going to own anything. You're just on the You're just on the wheel with a little bit of credit. Uh, you'll have enough income to kind of get by, but you'll never flourish, will be home ownership will be very tough. It's one of the reasons that family formation is coming so late because quite frankly, you know, people looking out there, does does my spouse have the ability to really have an income we can base a family upon some of the reasons that you don't have more stay at home moms that people just can't afford it. It's really had a dramatic societal effect, and that's part of the issues of globalization. So no, we we have the economies and horrible shape and we're heading towards the catastrophe. You can tell that right now with inflation runaway, and quite frankly, we weaponize the dollar in the Ukraine fiasco to take on the Rong enemy, the Russian oligarchs instead of the Chinese Commonist Party. It was failure and people are trying to get off. The doll was the prime reserve currency. Once that happens, once the dollar is not the prime reserve currency, we've become Argentina. And once we're Argentina, we're going to be in very, very very bad shape. You guys, We've got to take just a quick break and then we're back with so much more with Steve Bannen. Why won't Biden confront China? Well, first, I think if to go back to the heroic New York Post in the Miranda Divine and everybody, with Bernie Carrick, Rudy, Bob Cassell and myself, we're able to go through the Laptop from Hell, the New York Post publisher. The reason I was brought into that situation is my expertise in the Chinese counpist parties, companies, UH in the Biden family is completely compromised, totally compromised. I believe there's a grand jury sitting in Delaware right now that's not looking at Hunter Biden. They're looking at they're they're gonna use Hunter Biden to get to Joe Biden and his brother James. They are totally compromised by the Chinese Counmis Party, by by the things they've done in selling access to O Biden, right to make money and lots of money. So I think that they're they're compromise. And I remember in the in the Obama administration, Obama understood Remember he was an anti war populist candidate. They put Joe Biden on the ticket is kind of the adult supervision from Delaware, from kind of Wall Street in corporate America, and its expertise on the on the Foreign Relations Committee, which he has been forty years on Biden was Obama understood exactly what Trump did. We have to pivot out of the Middle East. The Middle East wars have to be put in back of us, and we have to pivot to Asia. This is a big part of Obama's foreign policy, was the key part. It was not a reset with Russia, was a pivot to Asia. He put Joe Biden in charge of that. Joe Biden just bragged last week that he spent I don't know, you know, hundreds of hours, was She his buddy in the foothills of the Himalayas. Biden was put in charge of demilitarizing the South China Sea, making sure that the China didn't have any more cyber taxas here in electoral property, making sure that the Taiwan was safe and secure. He failed on all those. They've been totally compromises by the Chinese Comis Party. One of the big tales. The reason you can tell that the Chinese have no respect for them, unlike any American president of any party. What is what happened to Tony Blinkoln in Alaska where they basically lectured us for for an hour on on on State TV that played right in China Live. They went to Rome with Jake Sullivan about six weeks ago and seven hours read him the Riot Act about what was what they were going to do with Russian and what they weren't going to do, And then Biden had this phone call was She, of which the Chinese put out the read out immediately after this Ober. It takes three and a half hours for Jen Saki in the White House to get their lives right, and they said, oh, they warned she the Financial Times the next Day said specifically she warned Biden about what they were going to do on the Eurasian land mask, so what they were going to do as a partner of Russia, they have no respect for them. A part of this is a compromise on the compromise on the Hard Drive from Hell. About their compromised by the Chinese Commist Party asgars money and hunter Biden with sex. He's been honeybotted. That's obvious from their In addition with people around him, Remember Jake Sullivan and Tony Blank and these people all made a lot of money being consultants for for things associated with the Chinese Commist Party. So the Chinese don't have no respect for them. They've never addressed whether it's Obama, Bush, Trump Uh to Clinton, They've never addressed an American presidency with the lack of a second quite frankly contempt and for old China hands people know China. It's it's shocking. Even people that are pro Biden are shocked about the lack of respect the Chinese Commist Party had for the Biden administration. So we're I tell you, we're we are heading towards a catastrophe with this illegitimate regime a financial and economic catastrophe. And I think now because of the situation Ukraine and how they mishandle it a geopolitical catastrophe. I mean, Trump was the best foreign policy president we've ever had in her lifetimes because everyone who needed to fear him feared him. He held her allies accountable. He was right about everything with Nordstream too, and Russia, and the list goes on. You know, holding Germany accountable with being beholden to Russia is right about everything. Uh. And then you know bidens this like hapless, idiot or you know, corrupt or whatever. Both. You know that no one respects and and and here we are with all of this. But I wanted to get your opinion. So everyone talks about immigration, we talk about what's going on at the southern board of the disaster that it is, but I don't think anyone really digs in and talks about the impact of what's happening right now at the southern border and the impact it's going to have on the country. And I know that you understand this, and so I want to ask you, what is the impact of what we're seeing at the southern border. And you know, God knows how many people have entered the country during the Biden administration. What's the impact of that. They tell us it's two million cambercross last year. Remember, on average, and this is this is statistics the Biden administration put out on average fifty six thousand people per month have come across and every month on average of the Biden administration of something. But don't you think it's worse than that? No, No, that that's just what they that's that's just the accounting of who who are taken in. That's not the getaways, the getaways or another half of that. So you had two million, uh come last year who less than half or sent back across the border. He had another million that just came across the illegally at least another So we had two million in the country. Remember a hundred and fifty thousand a month? Is that total? Is the number of troops that landed at Normandy on D Day? We landed a hundred. We do that every month the United States and basically come into the country to stay. Now, that's what title forty that's the title forty two. And taking Title forty two off their anticipating that works out about seven thousand a day. Titble forty two comes off. They're projecting eighteen thousand a day. There's gonna be five to six million. We had two million last year. There's gonna be five or six million coming this year. And they've already they've they've planned this out. This is not they say, oh, we don't have a plan. They've planned it out. Number one, they've already deputized. And this is gonna be challenging court as has already been challenged. They deputized. You don't even need asylum judges anymore. They're gonna have border patrol and other administrative people that actually signed asylum waivers right there in the border. Number two, they've just they've got this. Uh, they just announced. We found out that on Thursday, people anna start lining up people that are outside the boundaries. That means women, children, families, And if you lgbt Q and and think you're under uh pressure by your home country, you'll be able to line up. So now this administration is thought this and it's not destroying the country. This is why you're seeing this huge shift the Hispanic folk coming our way. The republic Party gets wrong on the on on Mexican American citizens. And this is what we said for years. They want safety, security, stability, and they're very conservative culturally, but you must get you must secure the border. You must give them because right now the greer of Rear Grand Valley, South Texas, Southern Arizona, these are all controlled by the cartels and the people that that are are are affected. Most are working class Hispanics in these communities. That's why there's a huge shift in the Rear Grand Valley, South Texas and Arizona towards the MAGA policies towards Donald Trump. This is the biggest political shift that we've seen, this where the Democrats are an absolute panic. And this is why now we take it a step farther and now is the illegal immigration destroct This is a full on invasion. Now uh, Now is it destroying the country. We should stop immediately all legal immigration. The only way to make sure that we protect working class Hispanics, African American, the people under thirty five, of making sure they get access to the high technology jobs is we must we must eliminate for at least now, but go on a hiatus of any legal immigration into the country for at least a couple of years to make sure that we get full employment and detect jobs by American citizens. So uh, and like it's it's it looks we are. We are actually hard accord than President Trump in that regard, Steve Gritez, Peter Novarro, myself, others of these economic nationalists. But we think it's incumbent upon us to do this right now. And folks gotta understand something. We do not have a vital national security enter rist or I would argue any national security interests in a dispute on the eastern borders of Russian speaking Ukraine. Okay, the as the administration says, the sovereignty, the territoral integrity, and the self determination of the Ukrainian people is just not a vital national security interest for US. It may be a vital national security interest for Europe. And if so, Germany should stop buying the gas and France should should should take the place in the United States and escalating this conflict of what mccron is not, he's going in the opposite direction. So if those two kind it's a European problem and they should deal with it, okay, And we're always prepared to help, But it's not the vital that it's not. What's vital is the invasion on the southern board that will destroy this nation. So obviously it's intentional, right, Like they know what they're doing. I mean, you don't just go in and remove all the policies at working along the southern border, like remain in Mexico, you know, etcetera. You don't just get rid of those. I mean, it's intentional. So why are they doing it? Well, I think what they're doing is that they were I think I think I think number one, the oligarchs, the wealthy in the Democratic Party one cheap labor, and they also want the votes. They feel that they can really change a big part of the the electorate by having two million people coming here, having five or six million people come in was they feel that they will be able to turn those people into the Democratic Party. History shows that if you hear long enough, you understand the scam the Democratic Party is is not you become Actually somebody's prepared to support megapolicies. But clearly they're they're trying to change the basic basic demographics of the electorate. Also, remember they want the Republican Party Chamber Commerce wants the cheap labor to This is why Texas has always had such a problem. This is why you don't see from the establishment Republicans in Texas and Arizona. You don't see a lot of You see some happy talk about the border, but you don't see any state enforcement. They're always looking to blame it on the federal government. There's a lot of states can do, and you don't see this happening. The scam here is that the Republican establishment participates in the in the in the lower wages right caused by illego immigration. The Democrats also like it, particularly the Wall Street and and and Will corporation Democrats. But the Democratic Party feels with the NGOs and the source backed NGOs. They can capture a lot of new voters. So but the people that pay for this. Remember, every states of border state. Every town's a border town. Some of the worst problems with sent in all these drugs is in places like Ohio, West Virginia, Western Pennsylvania, Michigan. So every town has become a border town. Every states of border states. I think one of the big reasons that Trump is so popular in Ohio because of his border policies. So this is a national this is a really an existential problem. I have to think, Lisa, it will be the first uh, it will be the first item of impeachment, article of impeachment when Trump, when Biden comes, and I strongly believe Biden will be impeached by the House after their investigation, not like they tried to do at President Trump. I think the first article will be his initiation and exacerbation of the invasion on the Southern Board or I think the Hunter Biden laptop will be another all the aspects of that, and I think Fauci and what they knew about Faucci, CDC, FDA and Health with help from the American people will be the third. So and I do believe that Joe Biden will be impeach I don't believe he'll be removed from office because I don't think they're votes there in the in the in the Senate right now. But I do believe that Biden will be impeached after a thorough, in complete investigation, not not this political operation that the Democrats did well And how much do you think it's about just contempt for the American way of life? I mean, this might be a twisted way to look at it. But you know, obviously the left hates our constitution. They don't view America in the way that our founding fathers did. That's enshrined in the Constitution. So if you let in countless people from around the world that don't share our values, that don't believe in America, that don't share a patriotism, obviously that changes the way of life. Right. I don't think it's twisted at all. I think you're absolutely despot on. I think it's also a big issue with the refugee situation. Look at look at some of the centers of the refugee situation where the Samalians or others that have been let in willie nilly and allowed to congret. In fact, the policy was to allow the congrety so they can get a political base. No, I don't think these I don't think these folks support what I call traditional Americanism by this, I don't think they do. And I think it's got to be a big political issue. I think that's why he's seeing the big reaction from across the spectrum, from Hispanic from African Americans. Remember, right now, there's there's a there's a in this in the Rio Grand Valley in South Texas, you have maga Republican candidates, many of them women, that looked like they could win the general they won the primaries or they're gonna win the general election. In Minneapolis against olmor you have Royce White and African American, his fourth generation Minnesota, a big basketball star up there who's running against her in a Republican primary, and he's taken the heat to her every day. So uh, you know, and this guy's a fire breathing Christian and not prepared to back off one iota. So I think you're seeing this across races across the country. This is why we're in a cauldron right now on the new form of politics. And I think you're in a mega candidates of of of Hispanic, Asian, African American, a lot of women candidates, a lot of moms because this whole attack on American culture I think is focused on the American family. And you can see this whether it's the wold corporations like Disney, or you can see it in the education. And that's why someone like Ronda Santis I think is stepping forward and becoming a populist hero because of what he's doing and when he's backing off. But it's the moms of America that are there every day, taken on the school boards and when I when I say to take down the Democratic Party this November as a national political institution is just not the House in the Senate. It really starts at the It starts at the election boards, it starts at the school boards, it starts at the precinct committee structure. Today there's three articles, one in the Hill and two two politicals to lead stories today are about Democrats now raising eighty million dollars to to to confront the Trump movements taking over election boards. This is one of the things we've been working on since November is actually we will never allow this to happen again. It's a huge effort for people to go in and win election seats, become election workers poll workers, but also take over election boards. The Democrats are panicking now, they're just two stories in Political and one in the Hill today that they've got to confront this. So we are going to contest the Democratic Party at every level, including school boards, election boards, I think, medical boards, at precincts for the Republican Party, and then at at at county supervisors all the way up to the House in the Senate. So, and I think you're going to see a shattering of the Democratic Party. One wing of the the new Democratic Party will be the progressive kind of green party of of Omar in the squad in an OC. The other will be the neoliberal neo Kahn of aspect of Wall Street, in the World Corporation, the Nation Security apperas as personified by Liz Cheney and Hillary Clinton. Do you think that's why the Democratic Control Congress is gunning for you so hard with the contempt of Congress stuff in a relation to January six, Well, look, I think they're gonna from a on the whole rafter thing. But I'm just just like they're gounner from President Company. Anybody ready, Mike Flynn or anybody. I don't know. I don't think I get singled out. I just get thrown into the bunch and there there after. Yeah, this law fair. They're gonna try to do everything here. It's very simple people, you know. They don't like to mention. I've testified more than anybody associated with Donald Trump at the House UH in the Mola Commission, House Intel Mola Commission, and the Senate Intel because the President at that time exerted executive privilege then eased up on certain elements of it. And when he did, at his direction, I wouldn't testify it. I think I gave a hundred hours of if you add it all up, I think I said, I don't know sixty seventy eight hundred hours test about testifying from the fact that the d o J specifically came out on the case on Friday, and did they do not want a jury to hear that? They say in my case if if we go to trial, they're saying that jury should not hear that. I actually testified when when the issues about separation of powers and the executive privilege. Look, the president, I states, and it filled U Sreme Court of somebody tells me otherwise he exerted executive privilege. Okay, his executive privilege is very wide. My attorney and everything we looked at and he said, uh, you know, this was all legit. And so that's why I didn't go. And I'm not not prepared to go. And if this has to fight through the courts, it has to fight through the court, so be it. But no, until this gets worked out in President Trump to me at the time in uh in that time period was the President of States had executive pros. My attorney and my attorney my team walked through that and and and reinforced them and said, yes, that's what is. I depended upon their advice, which I think most logical people would is what I depended upon every other time that I went in front of the House Intel or the Senate Intel, or the Molar Commission. So no, I think, look, whatever happens, happens, but I'm not going to back down. I'll never back down an inch. I'm certainly not going to back down an inch from a little Jamie Raskin and shifty shifts on the bogus committee. It's a total bogus committee. And I'm never going to back down in front of Mayor Garland and anybody that would go after American mothers and fathers that are there to defend the innocence of their child and make sure they get the best education, and to call them domestic terrorists, or to call the people out in Arizona trying to get to the bombs no remember criminals. Uh No, we will defeat them, will defeat them at the ballot box. And then we're gonna start throwing these bums out. Well, I think that was the big mistake the left did, which we saw what happened in Virginia is it was like people kind of took a beating with COVID and everything else that was going on, and then once it hit their kids with critical race theory and what we saw at Aloud in County, with you know, what was going on in the schools, it was like that was a turning point. And then now we've got you know, they're trying to fight Florida and parental rights. It seems like that was sort of the catalyst for change and people just saying, you know what, enough, this is crazy. I think the irony is, you're exactly right. I think when parents were at home, because you know, parents are so busy and they're working jobs. I mean, they love their children and they're there for their children, but they weren't there actually in the school every day. And I think the irony of this is that it was parents using the computer and making sure that their kids were paying attention and being active that the parents start seeing was being taught. And I think the moms of America were in shock that absolutely came from the pandemic. Then you saw parents, moms and dad's going and it was about I called this back in May, was going to be about the mass mandates, in the vaccine mandates. When when stuff She came out in February and gave that interview to the Associate Press and said, what we're gonna do is really it's all about the school children were starting high schools, go to middle school, and then go to the children. By the end of the year. This is a May I said, Hey, the biggest battleground is going to be the school boards and these PTA meetings, in these in the school board meetings, on the vaccine mandates, on the vacs, on the mass mandates, and an addition, critical race theory because the mother's and had had to deal with all this. And look, the mother the moms of America are there, the chief operating presidents and chief operating officers of the family. They know what the cost of food is, they know what the cost of transportation is, they know what's going on in their children's life. And you've seen across the board and what's so powerful about that part of the movement. Many of these women are not Trump fans. They did not vote for Trump. They have not supported Donald Trump. They just don't. They're just not maga. But they are bought into this and this is a crushing blow to the Democratic Party. There's some of the reasons I think we're gonna have a massive landslide if we do our work between now and November, the next two hundred days, because the mothers are the vanguard of the change in this country and changed for the positive too, because I think they found they saw exactly what was going down in in the in the public school system and here and obviously a lot of the the private schools too. Here's the thing I think is most important is that this is most visited on minority students. Remember, minority students don't really have the option of going to private school, many of them. So this was upon African American and Hispanic kids. And man, those parents. Remember the African American community around the fan least very conservative, as is the Hispanic community. And I think now they're open to our economic ideas too. And I think this is why I've seen a tectonic plate shift in the in the in the American body politics quick break Morris Steve Bannon like why is the left doubling down so much on the Florida parental rights bill? I mean, I think the vast majority of Americans believe for kids under eight, there is absolutely no reason teachers should be talking to kids about these sensitive topics. So why is the left so zeroed in on something that is maybe supported by like five percent of the population. It's it's because I think it's so endemic in in in the in the Will culture that drives the social culture in the Democratic Party. I just think it's a big part of the activist space. I think it's a big part of the Will Corporation, is a big part of Hollywood, It's a big part of Silicon Valley, it's a big part of who the It's five percent of overall because it's almost zero percent of working class fan who particularly African American and Hispanic, but it's huge when you get into the elite. So you just look at the you mentioned the beginning coastal elites. It's part of it. It's ingrained into their identity. And this is why it is, Uh, it's a fight that they're not going to back off one. This is a this is a defining moment in in in the cultural wars in the United States. This is going to be a defining moment in Ron De Santis going a cola against Republican orthodoxy and taking on not simply a company, but the most significant company in the state of Florida. Uh. And he's taking it on big league. I mean, he's good. They're gonna go back and challenge Disney's kind of medici like, uh, you know, they ruled themselves like Florence back in h in the in Renaissance Italy as its own city state. Rond Santis are going to the absolute core the Disney's economic model for Florida. So the Santis are taking on something very courageous and doesn't look like they're going to back down now. So this is one that people got to stay very closely attuned to because they're going to drive much else. I think you're my big problem with the Republican Party. It's been to focus on tax cuts and deregulation just for these big corporations. I've said for a long time, these corporations are not conservative. Okay, They're just not conservative. They're run by a small elite that you know, all go to the same business school, the same law schools come out the same IVY or IVY equivalent UH schools. They have this kind of UH indoctrination in this ideology, and it's quite different than than working class American, particularly different than mainstream America. It's a radical it's a radical it's a radical ideology, and people are seeing that now as you see this business and Disney. I think people you said, you don't think it's right for kids in the three I happen to don't think it's right this type of discussion about sexual preference, gender all that. That is things that should be discussed by the family when the family wants to discussion. The public school and the government should not be involved in any of that. And I think maybe if somebody's in high school for some hygiene reasons or whatever, maybe you have to do something. But I think that's the purview of the family and I and hey, African American Hispanic families will agree with me. And I think that's what's leading to this to this big techtonic plate shift. And you're seeing American moms, many of whom are are our middle of the road independence Democrats are even slightly liberal, are all in this thing about the moms taking back over the school board. So the bulk of this is are not Trump supporters quad Trump supporters, people that were with us in sixteen or twenty on the economic or more of the populous issues. This is a whole new aspect that we've that we've garnered here. And you throw the mass man thates in and now the vaccine, you open up to a whole new category of people. And so I think these fights are you know, a judge, just a young female judge, federal judge, I think just ruled this afternoon that the government can't mandate mask anymore. There's gonna be another huge fight. So these are are fights every day, and someone like Rhonda Santez is really showing I think extreme leadership in this uh to show the country have we gotten so far off of off track? I totally agree. I was just referencing the age group included in the bill. I agree with your broader point about the governments. That should be the family's job, not the government. Let's go to that. But look at the media. The media. The media never says, the media never says makes your qualification. The media never talks about It's from I seek third grade down or something right. Uh, the media never talks about that. They say, you know, they usually put up high school students or college students as the ones that have been offended most by it, so because I think they know it's even it's an impossible cell. There is no reason to have these kind of conversations with young children, right. We have to protect the innocence of young children, and I have to think personally it should be all the way up to at least high school. But and I think you're seeing Florida, Uh, Lisa, I think you'll see changes to that builder actually extended out quite a bit because I think it more people see this, the more they're shocked and outraged by it. I agree is Steve Benna, You're a fascinating man. I could literally talk to you forever about every issue. You know, Is there anything else you want to leave us with? I just I just think now that's why I'm so glad people like you have podcasts. Now. I think it's time for ever in your audiences to become a force multiplayer. Take this content and just push it out. The people should be immersing themselves. You know, it's not about your mind, It's not about don't you know, it's not about donating to parties. It's about the way we're taking this country back is village by village, uh school board by school board, election board by election board. And what you have to do is immerse yourself in information, immerse yourself and information, become a force multiplier, and then get to work. You know, this is the time that we can't be passive. We can't be sitting on the sofa just watching television and and and watching the news channels all of that that. You have to engage. And it's going to be it's not Donald Trump or Rohnda Santras or Lisa Booth or Steve Banashawan, Handy Tucker Carlson. We're, at the end of the day, not the ones that's gonna make a difference. The people are gonna make the difference at the deck plate levels. And that's why I'm so proud that from election boards, the precinct strategies, to medical boards and particularly the school boards, you're seeing the American you're seeing this participatory populism. So I just think it's fantastic and I would tell all your all your listeners to just make sure you push your content out. Steve big fan of yours. I really appreciate time today this I learned a lot from you, and this is a really interesting and fascinating conversation. So I truly appreciate your time. Same same, ma'am. Thank you so much for if I'm a really honest Yeah. I really hope you enjoyed that conversation with Steve Bann. I mean, I told you the guy was interesting. He's just so fascinating. I hope you enjoyed it. If you love this podcast, please leave us reviews, rate us five stars. You can do that an Apple podcast. Please subscribe, tell your friends, like, send these links around, you know, post them to social media if you wouldn't mind help me get the word out and help people to pay attention to what we're doing with this podcast. I want to thank my producer, John Cassio, who has been with me from the beginning. He works really hard to bring you these episodes, So please sign up, Please tell your friends, and tune in on Monday for another big interview with Kelly Dodd of the Real Housewives of Orange County.