So I've got a fun one for you because my next guest is actually one of my good friends. He also escaped a communist state to move to the Free State of Florida. My buddy, Josh Hammer. He's the opinion editor of Newsweek. He also has a podcast as well, called The Josh Hammer Show because his name is Josh Hammer, so obviously that makes a lot of sense. But he's all around super smart guy. He's He's also does a bunch of other stuff. Research fellow with the Edmund Burke Foundation, you know, counsel and policy advisor at the Internet Accountability Project. He has done, you know, a ton of other things. He's a frequent pundit and essayist on political, legal, and cultural issues. He's a constitutional attorney by training as well. But he's just all around a good dude, a really, really smart guy as well. He's on a panel with him recently. It was just so impressed by what he was saying, and I thought to myself, why not have him on the show? Right? Why not have my friend who's super smart on the show to talk about a lot of the things we're facing as a country. Primarily, I want to get to the bottom of does the rule of law still exist in America? I mean, we've really seen the left try to chip away with it, even with that Supreme Court leak we saw. I mean, you've got people in the White House, like the White House spokesperson Karee Jean Pierre, basically sanctioning these protests that we've seen in the wake of Brett Kavanaugh literally having an assassination attempt on his life. He was run out of Morton's when he was just trying to have dinner. When asked about it, she said, this is what democracy is, right, so these people want it. It's being sanctioned at the tops. We're going to talk about the breakdown of rule of law and America, and also is this the end of the road for Joe Biden. You've got even the New York Times is now piling on Joe Biden, bringing attention to what we all know that the guy is old, no longer, mentally sharp, losing it up there in his head. So we're gonna get into all of this with my buddy Josh Hammer and enjoy. So I'm excited about Josh Hammer because we are good friends. We are part of a Florida coalition of people who left their commun states and cities to move to Free Florida. So, Josh, it's good to have you on my friend Lisa. You know. Funny enough, I was actually just googling today to see how close we live. I think it's about a half mile, so we're separated by a half mile. But we are both part of the of the freedom movement. So it's great to be with, you know, and you're awesome, and we've gotten to be really good friends, which has been one of the really cool things about moving here is just being around so many like minded conservatives who recognize what a clown world that we're living in today. So you know, together we fight and we have we have such amazing comrades in arms down here too. I mean, it's it's really become quite the scene. I mean, I kind of feel like we live in the epicenter of the fight that is now, in the fight that is to come. So it's it's it's been, it's been great. It's also you know, it's I don't know about you. Right now, I'm looking out on my window and it is so sunny and beautiful. It's just hard to be upset these days. Honestly, even despite everything going on in Washington, I feel like, looking out this window, well, it's like an oasis away from all the craziness. But for those at home, Josh is has got a lot of fortitude because back in the day, during the height of all the COVID craziness, when everyone is essentially saying if you didn't get vaccinated, you wanted to kill your grandmother, when everyone still believed that the vaccine stopped the spread or the jab I think this was like back you know, this was last year. I was looking to publish my ed about not getting vaccinated, and I sent it to the New York Times and sent as to the Washington Post. I sent it the Washingtrot Journal. No no, no, and the Washington Post told me to stay safe, with obviously the implication that somehow I was going to die as a result of not being vaccinated to have it, have had it twice, still alive. But Josh had the guts to publish it, and at the time that was extremely brave and just it. Isn't it sort of ironic that everything I wrote and everything you published has turned out to be true? Yeah? No, Look, I at least I remember when you and I kind of got celaboratory drinks a few days after that offed was published, and we were both basically toasting to the fat and nods of us seemed to have been immediately canceled run on that mutual decision. But everything that you said has obviously been proving correct and then some I still can't get over. I mean, the whole world seems to have turned on a switch around like mid to late February. So I guess now it's like four to four and a half months ago. It seems like around like the span of I don't know, February twenty fourth, whatever it was. It's honestly around the time that Rushed It went into Ukraine. Was like right around that time the Democratic Party in particular decided that no, we were done at this point, we were no longer gonna enforce stuff. I mean, it was so transparently a play where they were looking at the polling numbers this fall. They realized that with inflation approaching four decade high, you know, record breaking numbers, that people didn't want to be locked down, massed up and all that. But the fact that they were able to pivot so quickly and turn on a dime like that really does prove how prescient the skeptics were all along. And you know, obviously Florida's a state really led the way. So you know, you and I have really seen that firsthand as well. Like now they're trying to bring up an election variant just in time for November, which I assume there's going to be a push towards in mail and ballot balloting even further. But yes, since we're on COVID, COVID really gave rise to this authoritarianism, not just in the United States, but really around the world where the big, big, bigger, you know, the little guts subjugated by big government, big business, big big big you know, mom and pop stores were shut down, Walmart was fine, and the next round and what we're releasing now is doing this under the guys of climate change right where you know, you look at what's happened to Sri Lanka. You look, that's happening with the Dutch farmers even in our own country of not producing you know, oil and gas and not doing domestic production here in the United States, really under the guys of you know, some climate rous Look, I mean, you know it's Rob Manuel back when he was chief of staff to President brock Obam where he famously said that the progressive mantra is to never let a good crisis go to waste. You know, he said, you never wanted good crisis is to go to waste. And if there's one axiom, if there's one saying one phrase that COVID really proved to be truer than I think anyone could have ever in their right minds imagined it to be, it is that phrase. I mean, what we saw for a year and a half two years was the ram rama manual ization of the world. And you know, I mean, never let its progressive or a leftist kind of scratched that totalitarian It's because you never know what's going to happen next to where a subsequent where it will subsequently lead obviously historically speaking leftist or authoritarianism, because you know, thinking of things like mas Dung Joseph Stalin has led to some Google eyes in a pretty pretty freaking dark places. But the entire climate change alarmism agenda is to a t exactly that I mean, to a t, it is literally seizing onto an ideologically driven end goal, you know, largely to appease the greeny radicals kind of the anti oil, anti natural gas nut jobs who just disapportionately populate their donor base and their grassroots activist base, and they are making us try to care about their cartoon insial agenda. And you're seeing that in Sri Lanka. Like you said, this Dutch story I was reading up on today actually really remarkable. Like you know, the farmers a lot of credit there, frankly for the civil disobedience and what they're actually doing. But climate change in particular, Okay, climate change climb more than any issue that I can think of. I I think you're right least. I think it really does personify this rama. Man. You will never let a good crisis go to waste mentality because you know, you know, look, I am not an expert on on on on climate change. It's not really an issue that I frequently write about. To be honest with you, I'm not a scientist whatever, although how I should note that, you know, Katangi Brown Jackson says that she's not a biologist, So I mean, I'm not sure what you what you what credentials need to opint on these issues these days. But the fact that the world is going to implode in the near to medium term future if we don't take drastic economy crushing action today is just utterly absurd. And you know, good for the people for standing up in the Netherlands and down in Sri Lanka. But see, I think it's all bus right. So you look droughut related to desks or down nine. Over the last hundred years, we've actually reduced emissions because of things like natural gas. So I think it's it's it's not even just not letting a crisis go to waste. It's creating a crisis, uh, to be able to subjugate citizens and too, you know, to assert that government control and it. But but well they ever realized that this doesn't work. You know, when you implement communism doesn't work. I mean again, you know, look at Sri Lanka. Right, So they basically pushed this climate agenda. May see this they've got that back. There was a chemical fertilizer ban in one as part of this climate initiative. If you inflation is now as of last month at fifty four point six percent. Crop production decreased in half between one to two and the environment or no, and and then now the Prime Minister has basically recently said that, uh, the economy has completely collapsed. He was forced out of his position. They took over his private resident since set it on fire. So I mean, I guess they will. They never realize that this communism stuff never seems to work. Well, it depends what we mean by doesn't work. I mean to the extent that it doesn't work for the nation stage for the people, doesn't work to boost GDP, It doesn't work to rise wages in in in you know, in inflation adjusted terms. It doesn't work to increase standards of living. That doesn't work to increase anyone's spiritual or transcendental purpose in life or anything like that. I'm not sure if they know that. I also know that they don't care about that, because what left is politics in the twenty one century has increasingly boiled down to, from my perspective, is a pure spiteful approach to trying to subjugate their ideological foes and trying to boost themselves until the top of the social mechanomic pyramid. And you know now that I'm kind of thing just through in real time. I mean, I think century politics really encapsulates that most clearly COVID really was nothing if not an exercise and trying to subjugate those who dissented from the from the group things. Those who who subscribed, like you and I too wrong think they wanted to subjugate us and kind of boost themselves. And they really kind of just conveniently used the back stuff, the you know, the mass mandates. That was really all kind of a ruse. It was an instrumental means towards that end of boosting themselves and trying to subjugate the blue collar folks who couldn't go into work while the laptop professional managerial Upper West Side New York Times reading class could just kind of stay at home. But you know, really back in the day, obviously I mentioned Mao and Stall and if you go back to the worst examples of leftist authoritarianism, because happen. What they did, right is they literally took an approach to punishing their enemies in Soviet meaning that meant sending them to the good lags. And then obviously, you know, for the well connected polar bureau leftist Marxist Lenins in Moscow, they were okay. So that's what's happening really with the climate change stuff, right, I mean, like the laptop class, the upper elites who subscribed to liberal social values to conject that off to Davos for the World Economic Forum, they're going to be fine. They're hypocrists because they're ends and their private plans obviously, but they're going to be economically speaking fine to the extempt that the lower and middle income to Flora bles down in Missouri or Arkansas are not fine. They don't care. They truly, legitimately do not care. And it's harsh to say with that, but I think it happens to be true. No, I think that's the point. I mean, we saw during COVID the rules for the but not for me, right. I mean you saw Obama saying, hey, you need to stay at home where your mask shut up, and then he goes and throws a massive rader in Martha's vineyard for hundreds of people partying without masks, just enjoying their little lives, or or people not being able to go and have funerals for their loved ones or even go say goodbye to a loved one in hospitals. But then you know, for George Floyd, massive funeral. You know, all these celebrities right, So just the rules for the not for me. That's the point to your point. But I wanted to it on this other thing. So if you look at the overturning of Roverse Wade to the Biden administration is now saying they're issuing guidance to hospitals, saying that they must provide abortions if the mother's life is at risk, saying that federal law supersedes the states on this issue. Does it? So the short answer is no. The I mean, that's that's that's the entire point of the Supreme Court rule and the entire point of the legal problem that was roversus Weight. Obviously, the paramount problem throughout versus Wade was the moral evil that it promulgated and constitutionalized and kind of put into a national landscape. But the legal problem was that it arrogated power to an unelected nine lawyer body where that power simply never belonged. So, you know, all the all the Job's case does it overturns ro versus Weight and planned parent in versus Casey, it's it's success or. Nineteen years later, all the Jobs case does is restore it to the people. That's that's literally the holding of the case. I mean, you know, and when I'll hear your first year lass, we learned about like what is the whole thing and it's like it's like, what are the central proposition that the case stands? But well, the whole thing here is that's up to the states. So to the extent that the fellow government is saying that no, actually it's not up to the states, it's up to us, that is wrong. And that is a wilful, deliberate distortion of what the court actually said. It is a wilful and disingenuous misreading of the dog's majority opinion. The slightly longer and more loyally answer would be that the the hook that they're probably doing, that the bind administration and their Department of HHS, Healthing Hemanserveds in particular is probably doing, is they're probably trying to threaten the withholding of federal subsidization dollars of Medicare and Medicaid funding things like that to various hospitals that do not get in line with what they say about X y Z policies. So that that could be abortion, you know, it could also refer to kind of transgender surgery, right, I mean, threatening to withhold federal dollars is a you know, it's a fairly old tool. I've actually encouraged public administrations and in previous columns to kind of do the same thing to pursue their objective. There's a nineteen eight seven or eight eight of the Spreme Court case called South Dakota versus Dole or the Court basically signed off on allowing this tactic when it came to breathing the National drinking eight years old. So there was some Supreme Court president. But you know, the devil's always the details here. But to the extent of the mind that the administration is just flatly saying like, no, the States can't decide you have to do this. That's that's legally stupid, for lack of better word, that is simply not what the court said. In the doss Quit commercial breakback with Josh Hammer, Brent Kavanaugh, there is an actual assassination attempt on his life. We also have the White House spokesperson Koreean Jean Pierre, when asked about it, said this is what democracy is. So to your point, I mean, this mob rule is being sanctioned at the I mean, they essentially use these people as their street fighters more or less. Yeah, that's exactly right. You know what it reminds me of, actually it so it's kind of it's kind of an obscure analogy, but I think it kind of holds. So HEASBLAW, which is an Iran funded site militia that's prominently based in in Lebanon. They basically controlled Lebanon right now, but they're they're actually a sprawling apparatus on the western hemisphere. HESBLA is actually kind of incohots with the Mexican cartels along our southern border as well. So HESLA has a strong presence actually in Europe. They have a very active network there, and you know, the Euros, the Europeans for years and years used to tote this ridiculous line where they would say that, well, in our country, we're banning Hezbollah's military wing, but their political wing is is kosher. It's fine. It was actually Rick Rannell, who under President Trump was the US ambassador Germany. He finally got Germany and bi extension in Europe to get rid of this lie. Anyway, that's a roundabout way of saying that is basically to me, what's happening here in the Democratic Party that their street thugs, they're Antifa, Black Lives Matter. Thus, the people that kind of tout to the streets, you know, after the death of the great martyr St. George Floyd back in Twin Twining, then they burned down streets across the country for months on and committed literally billions of dollars insurance claims and property damage in vandalism. And those are the shock troops. Those are the on the ground military wing of the Democratic Party. But they are part of that Democratic Party and they will not be called off anytime soon. Chassim Bludajag just literally he's showing that to be the case in real time. It's really scary stuff, honestly. Well, I remember during the Derek Chauvin trial, you had Maxie Waters out there basically encouraging people to get you know, go to the streets, you know, essentially trying to put pressure on the jury to get the outcome that they wanted. So but that sort of leads me to this broader question of does the rule of law exists still exist in America? Yeah? Man, that's kind the million dog question, now, isn't it. Look, I mean, after things like what happened to Peter Navarro right where where Peter Navarre, a former very high ranking trunk of Trump official's handcuffed. He has beaten too the floor of his of you know, James O'Keefe, obviously they had a project of ritas last October and November had a six am FBI ray these a battering ram to bash his door down. He's in handcuffs on the floor of his own house for the crime of committing journalism. Literally, just for the crime of committing journalism. Nothing, nothing more, nothing less than that. You know, when folks like my friend John Eastman, who you know, it was a who of course is a brilliant constitutional scholar and has been for years. And you know he of course was a Trump lawyer in that sumultuous aftermath of the election when he is you know, his phone is sezed and the warrants for that possible seizure. If I remember what John said correctly on Tucker, you know, the warrants was not a warrant. I mean in criminal procedure in American law, they need to give you a reason why they're going to search your your effects, your property, your personal body, and so forth. He said, they didn't even put it bother to put a reason down there. That's actually the very definition of so called general warrants that the British used to do to the American colonists back from the seventeen sixties and the seventeen seventies. That was the reason the Fourth Amendment was put into place, actually was literally to make sure that these general warrants didn't happen. So does the rule of law exists right now to an extent, yes, but it is badly battered. It is badly battered. It is badly bruised. One side certainly believes in it a hell of a lot more than the other side believes in it. And I can just be very realist and sober about you know what our friend Dave re Avoid would say about knowing what time it is here. I I do think the time is such and the hour and the republic is sufficiently late that I'm not calling on our own side to become a Lynsky. It's my my stance is not that the ends justified the means period end of story. That's moral nihilism, and that's not my stance. But what I have been saying for the past couple of years, Lisa, is that our side happy willing to get its hands dirty and happy willing to to prudentially apply a wider array of means. There are more means that are that should be viewed as legitimate, not all means, but more means to be viewed as legitimate to secure our own net, because that's just what it takes at this point. I mean, I think back to this recent Abigail shry Or subset post was a very good one. Abigail basically wrote, quote in defense of political escalation. So you know, even if your end goal is a true kind of classical liberalism, live and let live style America, it returned to federalism, not necessarily such a bad ends goal, but the point that the pendulum has now swung so far in the other direction that something more than an appeal to simple neutrality is now called for simply to put the pendulum back somewhere in the middle. And you know, I think that at least for me, that's kind of definition of knowing what time it is right now and what are those means one is? Uh, you know, at a political level, Look, I I think our governor is a great example. I mean, I think government is Antis has probably the top preeminent current elected official that I can think of who I think grasps these stakes currently happening. So when he punished the Walt Disney Company for speaking out on behalf of sexualizing young inness and children, of grooming them, of opposing his very common sensical education bill, what what what he was doing was taking an act to punish a political enemy within the confines of the rule of law by removing from them an extra legal tax bonus. And it's gonna take some sort of actual tit for tat like that of actually kind of boosting our own side using the tax code to kind of reward Christian groups, Orthodox Jewish groups, to to reward our political friends, and to actually punish our political enemies. Now again to the extent of that is mimicking the left. I basically failed to see another way out of it. Again, this is where the virtue of prudence comes in. We're not gonna suit to their level. We have we have to do this prudentially and tactfully, but we have to get our hands a little dirty, honestly. And I really do think that that government Descantis actually appreciates that well. And I think this is, you know, obviously all the intention of the left to to break down the rule of law. We live in a borderless country as well, getting rid of the southern border as well, eliminating that and really eliminating any boundaries, eliminating the truth right, little boys can be girls, girls can be right. It's it's just this destruction of any sort of boundaries in life, any sort of black and light, any sort of black and white in life, because if you live in the gray area, makes room for chaos, makes room for them to try to insert control and make right. They're trying to sort of a road like what's wrong and right in just the basic terms and in all aspects of life. Totally. Look, I had I had a very smart friend text me this afternoon. Actually, so there was a remarkable exchange between Senator Josh Holly and Missouri and this far left law professor at cal Berkeley where she was. She was basically calling central Hally transpopic because he said that men cannot get pregnant. And you know what, my what my friend texted me was a few things, but the relevant quote, as he said, quote, how do we go forward in the country where a large percentage of the population believes that men can get pregnant. I don't know that I haven't an answer to that least, I'm sorry to disappoint the listeners. I'm really not sure that I haven't gonna answer that because we're not here disagreeing about capital gains, tax rates. Were not disagreeing, you know, about whether marijuana should be legalized or something or anything like that. We're disagreeing here about the literal building block of civilization. Going back to the Book of Genesis. You know, in God's image he created man and woman with Genesis seven. This is literally the civilizational building block of all building blocks, and you know, and in kind of scary way, it does make me recall, you know, my high school and college readings about kind of the lead up to the Civil War. I'm not I'm not predicting that we're heading towards that dark food, and in fact, I pray that we are not. But back then, they similarly disagreed on a civilizational building block issue, which was is the black man and black women? Obviously, are these human beings? Are these God's creatures worthy of protection and dignity under the rule of law. That's very similar honestly to the disagreement that I've watched between Sentor Holly and this crazy, crazy cal Berkeley law professor. So it is scary, and I I don't know that I have a pan of sea. I don't I don't have a one size it's all solution here. But one thing that I do know is that I'm really really happy to be engaged in this fight from the state of Florida, which obviously is looking better than it's ever been, where we have a truly dynamic, dynamic governor who I think really gets it. Well. You know that that's such a good point about just the building blocks. I mean, I I pray, I I still think we have a window of opportunity in the country with this upcoming midterm elections well as presidential elections, and not even just on the federal level, but even with the states, with your local legislatures, even your d a s. I mean, we saw what an important position that is with just George Sorow's getting these really liberal and progressive prosecutors in place who who aren't prosecuting, and then we've seen what that's led to with crimes. So even those positions are really or even during the elections. We saw the importance of uh, you know, your secretary is a state, and you know the importance of some of these last minute changes of the rules, and you know with the elections in terms of mail about so all of these positions matter. All of it matters. And I still think we have a window of opportunity. But I don't think we're that far away personally from a Democrat president saying you know, the heck with it. I'm not stepping down and trying to stick around for a third term. Like I don't. Like, I think the window of opportunity is still here to to write the ship. But I think that's ahead of us if we don't. To be honest, yeah, I don't. I don't think that's crazy at all. I mean what's funny is if you go back to the presidential election. You know, I don't have polling right in front of me right now as well as we're recording this, but a very very high percentage of Democrats in said that said that the presidential election was illegitimate. I mean, you know, it was stolen by Russian propaganda, Russian disinformation. I mean, you know this, Lisa, But I again, I don't have the exact percentage, but it was very high. I think it was like or something like that. And that's what just that's just what makes the media's intense focus on the election, which literally did happen amidst a once a century maybe once every two centuries level, you know, crazy pandemic lockdowns, where of these new voting rules and mail on ballot that drop boxes, where all that was put into place. Even still, after all of that, I think the percentage of Republicans who questioned the fairness of the election was probably pretty similar to the percentage of Democrats who question the twenty team election, when there was zero basis, literally zero basis for actually doubting the the actual legitimacy of that particular outcome and the election of President Donald Trump. So I I agree with you. I mean, I definitely do not think that we are particularly far away from that. I think a little bit actually about the nation of Hungary, which is a small country in Central Europe. I was actually there in February, and you know, Prime Minister Orban is a very conservative guy. He just won his fourth election in April. I think it's his fourth, third or four things is fourth, But regardless the Western press, the New York Times scene that they really despised Victor Orbon And the phrase that you always hear kind of trotted out whenever they talked about the nation of Hungary is that there's quote unquote democratic backsliding going on in there, as lower case D democratic democratic backsliding. And you know, tell me how democratic backsliding when the people of a country vote for a certain campidus right, But tell me how was democratic backsliding here in the US when the Dobbs case, which over rules ro versus way to actually just democratize is the issue of abortion. It literally puts it back into the state legislatures, back to we the people where below where you know where? Sure, then all along, but all these things together makes sense these when you realize that when the left says our democracy or democratic backsline, they don't give a you know what about actual democracy Again, all they care about right now is subjugating us, of boosting their own people and subjugating us. So therefore, when they win, it's a victory for democracy. When they lose, it's a loss for democracy. It's a it's a total charade, obviously, But you know, the silver lining is as we look to midterm polling this fall, and I think the American people are increasingly starting to kind of see through their various laws, I hope so. And we see that with Ukraine as well. Right, We've got all these issues back here at home. Inflation is severely hurting people, gas prices are severely hurting people, all you know, designed by this White House. But you've got all these issues, yet the focus, there's this intense focus on Ukraine and sending money to them without any sort of accounting or transparency about how it's being spent totally. I mean, the final tally for this recent oh gosh, it was like a four year, fifty billion dollar one time aid boondogglin and truly a boondoggle. I mean the kind of classic bill of the Congress passed like a marathon overnight session where no one had time to read it. Um. Yeah, I think the final tally for the number of Republican Senators who voted against it was like twelve or four or thirteen. And this is the problem at its core, right, um, is there are so many Republicans even still who aren't necessarily at their core conservatives, skeptical of absorption by the neoliberal empire, but who themselves are kind of members of effectively the uniparty regime. Who are who are members of this of this club is Capitol Hill Club really not necessarily limited to Capitol Hill, I mean Capitol Hill, Wall Street, Silicon Valley Club. It really just kind of an upper crust, elite professional managerial class club that views things like Ukraine as a proxy to secure various other interests. So Ukraine in particular is very interesting, and they had a revolution in fourteen. It's unclear, frankly, how involved Western powers, including our own CIA and FBI, were involved in flementing that revolution that was called the Maidan Revolution. But the aftermath, regardless of who was involved in it was, in the after cathis of revolution, a ton of Western money, a ton of Western NGOs, non governmental organizations and sorrows money and things like that fludded into Ukraine. So you know, something that I've been pointing out some of our other friends of pointing out ever since this complict got started is be aware of ulterior motives. All we always always be aware of ulterior motives for unnecessarily prolonging or even instigating a inflict, And unfortunately that's what we've seen a lot in Ukraine. But the silver lying again is those Republican sendors who did descent to that vote, whatever number was twelve or thirteen, ought to be applauded. And I think that we should try to boost them to the stend that we can quick break more with Josh. I wanted to run my idea BYO. So basically, I'm on a flight a couple of days ago. Just popped into my head. I tweeted it out. This happens frequently, probably gets intro but you know, so I'm thinking, and I was thinking about the fact that we really need So we've got twenty three states red states, Republican states with trifecta's meaning they control the state House, they control the state Senate, they control the governorship. And I truly believe that these conservative states need to form a coalition much like what we see in Congress in the House with the Freedom Caucus. What say you, I love it, Lisa, I mean I was, I retweeted the crap out of that tweet. Call um, I mean I would like to see our governor be the chairman of of that kind of caucus of caucus of governors who know what time it is. You might, you might say, but there's plenty of other governors out there too. I mean, you know, you and I, as Politico has recently noted, we're at this recent contact that Governor Santis convenient for a Larida where we met some other governors. I think, you know, Governor Kevin state of Oklahoma, Kim Reynolds of Iowa. Both of them were there. They both seem to truly get it. So, you know, I, I think that has to be the path forward. I think part of knowing what time it is and part of using kind of a wider array of tactics at the state level means that we need to start kind of trading ideas, probably even kind of trading personnel. Honestly, I mean we you know, we probably should get some donors on our side to start funding some more flights for people in various state capitals to kind of just start exchanging ideas. And again, I, you and I are both praying that this does not ultimately end in conflict, and I and I still I still remain cautiously hopeful that it won't. To be clear, despite it all, all but I was saying about the civilizational building box. But in order to really just forestall that again, the what has to happen now, what has to happen now at a granular level and in Washington and just across the country, is to realigned the pendulum. Is to use more tactics to get that pendulum which has swung so far to the left because of the left now century long march through all the institutions. We need to reel on the pendulum and getting aligned straight down the middle, or at least much closer to that. And that's gonna mean harder governors resisting imperious, heavy handed democratic Washington presidential rule from Biden or whoever will replace Biden, right or if God forregated there is another democratic president and obviously I created there is not. But it really shouldn't mean that more governors are gonna have to band together. And obviously our governor in Tallahassee is really a uniquely positioned of course, to read that coalition. But that's also how it's supposed to right, like America was never supposed to be this vision of this massive centralized government. I mean, this is not how it's supposed to be. We are so far from what America was supposed to be. So it's really just getting back to the basics by you know, putting states in charge. So I mean, you know, I think it's just a realignment of the actual vision for America as intended. But I wanted to play this clip real quick of Joe Biden. It is noteworthy that the percentage of women who registered to vote and cast a ballot is consistently higher than the percentage of the men who do so. End of quote. So obviously we his Ron Burgundy moment. You know, everyone remember as an anchorman where he was literally I'm Ron Burgundy reading exactly what's on the transcript. And then they said in the in the I'm free. I shouldn't know this because I work in television, but uh, but they're like, you know that Burgundy is going to read whatever is on this screen. I mean, that's Joe Biden. But we you've got like even the New York Times is now starting to pile on Joe Biden. Peter Breaker, I'm sure you wrote read it over the weekend, talking about the reality is that managing the schedule the oldest president American history presents distinct challenges, going on to say that he often shuffles when he walks, and aids worry he will trip on a wire. He stubbles over word words during public events, and they hold his breath to see if he will make it to the end without a gap. Obviously, we saw this coming. The media intentionally hit him in the basement during the election. His campaign intentionally hit him in the basement. But you know, to borrow a word from a phrase from the left, are the walls finally closing in for Biden? When the New York Times, which is really the organ of the Democratic Party establishment, the unofficial organ when they are running a major, major story that effectively says that Joe Biden has no idea what's going on his own administration, that is, his own aids are waiting to see if he can finish a given sentence without making a gaff that people are kind of stepping on. You know, they're watching his steps to make sure he doesn't trip over the White House or whatever. It's really really bad. I mean, it is really really bad out there. I mean I can't really say it a whole lot better than the way that you said on Fox recently, where you said that Joe Biden sucks. Joe Biden sucks. I mean, he is just really, really, really bad at this and that's why he has the lowest approval ratings at this juncture of a presidency in the history of presidential opinion polling. If I'm not mistaken, I mean he's he's literally rocking like a thirty three or thirty five percent approval rating. And a bunch of these polls. Now, So when the when the New York Times coming out against in the New York Times al threate a separate article where they started this one poll. This is really incredible. Apparently ninety four percent of Democrats under the age of thirty do not want Joe Biden to run for presidents again in two thousand and twenty four. That is incredible stuff, honestly, I mean, I have to imagine that is beyond unprecedented for the for the young members of one political party to so vehemently oppose their own party's president who is sitting in the White House in office there. So we've seen a bunch of other outlets run similar pieces. NBC News, Politico, a bunch of these other outlets now have run just a really large sample size at this point of pieces that show just a very chaotic White House, a very chaotic Vice President's staff. I mean Vice President Harris's not be the only person DC as popular than President Biden, right, I mean, her staff is the turnal grape there is just incredible. And if apparently she can't keep anyone on on page roll for more than two or three months at a time before they just get too tired of her and they have and have to bail. So I do read this as the liberal establishment bulling on Joe Biden. And you know, if I had to make a prediction, I I do predictally he will not be nominee because they're really just seeing just everything kind of ganging off that all this tension is about to explode. That tension will be even more obvious by the way once they get blown out in this November made term elections. Even Kamala Harrison, she was on TV recently, right, they asked her, was like, are you going to run for or you know, they said, is Biden running for re election? And she was like, yeah, he's he's intending to run free election and if he does, I intend to be advice for. I mean, that's loyally lang, which if I've ever heard it. So I think the cat is pretty much out of the bag at this point. I do not think that he's going to run free election personally. Well, and you've got Joe Biden comparing latinos to tacos and like it's like it's so at all. It's like just it's like VP, right, it's just all but to Josh's point, so funny. So after, uh, you know, I was on shown Hannity not too long ago, and Jason shape it to the end. We had some seconds to burn, so he just asked me, you know, what would you say to Joe Biden if you got a chance to talk to him? And I said I would tell him he sucks, he should resign and he's intentionally ruined New Country. And then my mom texted me afterwards and she was like, oh my gosh, Lisa, you don't have to always say exactly what's on your mind. But you know, we'll just we'll just continue to do it and see where it goes. But anything else, you leave us with some hope before we go, my friend, So there is hope. I mean, there's always hope, of course. So one thing that I'm I'm being particularly hopeful I recently, there's there's there's some new data. I mean, you know, the census, and we now have basically all the data from that. A few things kind of give me hope. The Wall Street Journal recently did a big article on this. It showed that red states are recovering from the pandemic much more rapidly and much more fully than Blue states are. So since February, since around the time the pandemic started, Red states have gained you know, three or four hundred thousand jobs something like that. Blue states have net lost over a million. And similarly another Wall Street Journal article but I read recently. It was kind of a long article about the city of Miami, where you and I both lived, and they had these sharks that showed the states that have gained and lost the most taxable income over the past three years. I think since all five of the states that gains the most taxable income, so translation that where you know that you know, all the people moved to basically who have the money. They were all red states or at least kind of purple states. So the five who was Florida was by far number one. I think Texas are number two, and then the other three were Arizona and both Carolinas north and south. And the five states that lost the most taxable income of the past three years surprise, surprise, they're all blue states California, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, and the last one out of like Connecticut or Maryland. I mean, this is just it's so predictable the way that this is sorting out right now, and again my my cause for hopes where it's my cause or hope for the midst from elections this fall, that the American people are just sick of the less nonsense. They're sick of the lockdown, the authoritarian Rahm Emanuel Itch. They're sick of over taxation, they're sick of inflation. They're obviously sick of the nonsense life. This Cali Berkeley law professor telling Center Holly that he's transphobic because he doesn't believe that men can get pregnant. They're just sick of the b s. I don't know if you actually say the world bs on air, but they're just sick of the total Yeah, I don't feel like if it makes you feel better, they're just sick of the bullshit me. So they are truly just sick of the bullshit, and I they're now seeing that in like the actual migrat, migratory patterns, the migration ways, the tax income moving across state borders. So that gives me real hope. Actually, that gives me real cause proptimism, and especially being here in Florida. Like we said at the beginning of the conversation, to bring it all full circle, it's really hard to not just look at your window at this at the sunshine, the no state income tax, Governor de Santis. I mean, I wake up and go to sleep every day and every night here just being happy. So there's always cause for hope, that's for sure. They're always is Josh Hammer, all around good guy, my friend, also the Newsweek opinion editor but not a lefty and host of the Josh Hammer Show. Check him out, Josh, I appreciate your time and I'll see you soon. I'll see Lisa. Take care. That was fun. Josh is a really good friend of mine. 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