Whether it’s food, beauty products, or the state of our home, describing something as ‘clean’ also implies there is ‘dirty’, an idea that carries a lot of guilt and shame. In this week’s episode, Brooke and Ben dig into a new duality by looking at food, home, green-cleaning and more.

Ben talks about the brosphere — specifically the rise of ‘clean eating’ and its impact on boys and young men — and Brooke talks about her conflicted feelings on individual responsibility versus industry accountability. Ben also shares his honest take on Brooke’s hardcore green-cleaning and no-shampoo hippie eras, the tidiness of their house as a barometer of mental well-being, and why the internet will never agree on how often to clean the walls.

They also talk about:
dropping their standards
why kids can be a balancing influence on all-or-nothing thinking
using righteous anger to fuel our enoughness
making small changes in the face of systemic problems
quality versus quantity and how a bit of fussiness isn’t a bad thing
the painful gap between the why and how of things
knowing when a fight is worthwhile and when it’s not
the importance of language around food and health and why men and women experience it differently
what it means to be ‘houseproud’
QUIZ: how often do you need to clean a ____?

Thanks for listening!

Links:
Find everything mentioned in today’s show at brookemcalary.substack.com 
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Access the full, human-made transcript here

Credits:
the tortoise & the hare is a McAlary Media production.
Produced and hosted by Brooke McAlary and Ben McAlary
Edited by Ben McAlary
Studio equipment supplied by shot.studio
Theme music is Edgar Allan Poe by Modern Aquatic

Whether it&rsquo;s food, beauty products, or the state of our home, describing something as &lsquo;clean&rsquo; also implies there is &lsquo;dirty&rsquo;, an idea that carries a lot of guilt and shame. In this week&rsquo;s episode, Brooke and Ben dig into a new duality by looking at food, home, green-cleaning and more.
Ben talks about the brosphere &mdash; specifically the rise of &lsquo;clean eating&rsquo; and its impact on boys and young men &mdash; and Brooke talks about her conflicted feelings on individual responsibility versus industry accountability. Ben also shares his honest take on Brooke&rsquo;s hardcore green-cleaning and no-shampoo hippie eras, the tidiness of their house as a barometer of mental well-being, and why the internet will never agree on how often to clean the walls.
They also talk about:
<ul>
<li>dropping their standards</li>
<li>why kids can be a balancing influence on all-or-nothing thinking</li>
<li>using righteous anger to fuel our enoughness</li>
<li>making small changes in the face of systemic problems</li>
<li>quality versus quantity and how a bit of fussiness isn&rsquo;t a bad thing</li>
<li>the painful gap between the why and how of things</li>
<li>knowing when a fight is worthwhile and when it&rsquo;s not</li>
<li>the importance of language around food and health and why men and women experience it differently</li>
<li>what it means to be &lsquo;houseproud&rsquo;</li>
<li>QUIZ: how often do you need to clean a ____?</li>
</ul>
Thanks for listening!
Links:
<ul>
<li>Find everything mentioned in today&rsquo;s show at <a href="https://www.brookemcalary.substack.com">brookemcalary.substack.com</a>&nbsp;</li>
<li>Become a paying supporter of ttath and get double the episodes! Weekly shows delivered straight to your inbox for <a href="https://www.brookemcalary.substack.com/subscribe">just $8AUD/month or $80AUD/yr.</a></li>
<li>If video is your jam, subscribe to our YouTube channel <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@thetortoiseandthehare">@thetortoiseandthehare</a></li>
<li>Access the full, human-made <a href="https://brookemcalary.substack.com/p/clean-and-dirty">transcript here</a></li>
</ul>
Credits:
<ul>
<li>the tortoise &amp; the hare is a McAlary Media production.</li>
<li>Produced and hosted by Brooke McAlary and Ben McAlary</li>
<li>Edited by Ben McAlary</li>
<li>Studio equipment supplied by shot.studio</li>
<li>Theme music is Edgar Allan Poe by&nbsp;<a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/3NH6G625odjefc6B8x21ol?si=s0SgpRcrRi-epsHTor9PcQ">Modern Aquatic</a></li>
</ul>

Fast and slow. Young and old. Hard and soft. Open and closed. Real and fake. Hide and seek. Pleasure and pain… Life is full of dualities and extremes and pick-a-sides. But most of our days are spent in the messy middle. 

the tortoise and the hare is a weekly show from the crew who brought you The Slow Home Podcast (RIP). Each episode is a human-made, homegrown, perfectly imperfect conversation about the either/or of life and the vast grey area in between.

Because we all contain multitudes. So let’s talk about them.

Fast and slow. Young and old. Hard and soft. Open and closed. Real and fake. Hide and seek. Pleasure and pain&hellip; Life is full of dualities and extremes and pick-a-sides. But most of our days are spent in the messy middle.&nbsp;
the tortoise and the hare is a weekly show from the crew who brought you The Slow Home Podcast (RIP). Each episode is a human-made, homegrown, perfectly imperfect conversation about the either/or of life and the vast grey area in between.
Because we all contain multitudes. So let&rsquo;s talk about them.

We all contain multitudes. So let's talk about them.

the tortoise & the hare

Whether it’s food, products, or the state of our home, describing something as ‘clean’ also implies there is ‘dirty’