In a controversial 5-4 vote, the Phoenix City Council voted to establish a Civilian Review Board to investigate cases of potential police misconduct. The issue is polarizing. One side says the police are out of control and need to be reigned in by civilian oversight. The other side says the police cannot be fairly judged by civilians. And neither side seems ready to compromise.

Our guests take on this challenging topic. Samuel Stone is Chief of Staff to Phoenix City Councilman Sal DiCiccio and a longtime political consultant. Julie Erfle is a former journalist and a columnist for the Arizona Mirror. Julie also speaks with unique moral authority on police topics; her husband was a Phoenix police officer killed in the line of duty.