Two years after October 7, talks in Egypt could bring an end to the war in Gaza. Inside Israel, divisions are widening, isolation is deepening, and the cost of war is harder to ignore. What does this moment reveal about the country’s shifting sense of itself?

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In this episode:
Mairav Zonszein (@mairavz), Senior Israel Analyst, International Crisis Group

Episode credits:

This episode was produced by Tamara Khandaker, Sarí el-Khalili, Marcos Bartoloméz and Melanie Marich, with Phillip Lanos, Manny Panaretos, Duha Mosaad, Farhan Rafid, Amy Walters and our guest host, Kevin Hirten. It was edited by Kylene Kiang.

Our sound designer is Alex Roldan. Our video editors are Hisham Abu Salah and Mohannad Al-Melhem. Alexandra Locke is The Take’s executive producer. Ney Alvarez is Al Jazeera’s head of audio.

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Two years after October 7, talks in Egypt could bring an end to the war in Gaza. Inside Israel, divisions are widening, isolation is deepening, and the cost of war is harder to ignore. What does this moment reveal about the country&rsquo;s shifting sense of itself?
The Take is nominated for the Signal Awards in the Best Daily Podcast category. While we wait for the judges' decisions, you can help us win the listeners' vote.&nbsp;<a href="https://vote.signalaward.com/PublicVoting#/2025/shows/genre/daily-podcast">Vote for The Take for Best Daily Podcast.</a>
In this episode:
<ul>
<li>Mairav Zonszein (<a href="https://x.com/MairavZ">@mairavz</a>), Senior Israel Analyst, International Crisis Group</li>
</ul>
Episode credits:
This episode was produced by Tamara Khandaker, Sar&iacute; el-Khalili, Marcos Bartolom&eacute;z and Melanie Marich, with Phillip Lanos, Manny Panaretos, Duha Mosaad, Farhan Rafid, Amy Walters and our guest host, Kevin Hirten. It was edited by Kylene Kiang.
Our sound designer is Alex Roldan. Our video editors are Hisham Abu Salah and Mohannad Al-Melhem. Alexandra Locke is The Take&rsquo;s executive producer. Ney Alvarez is Al Jazeera&rsquo;s head of audio.
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The Take is a daily interview-driven international news podcast hosted by award-winning journalist Malika Bilal. Each episode focuses on conversations with journalists and people directly impacted by the news of the day, offering our listeners the context necessary to understand what's in the headlines.

With millions of global listens, it's clear the conversations we're having on The Take are worth hearing. And critics think so too. The show has won the Online Journalism Awards, the Signal Awards, Lovie Awards, and Anthem Awards, among others.

The Take is a daily interview-driven international news podcast hosted by award-winning journalist Malika Bilal. Each episode focuses on conversations with journalists and people directly impacted by the news of the day, offering our listeners the context necessary to understand what's in the headlines.
With millions of global listens, it's clear the conversations we're having on The Take are worth hearing. And critics think so too. The show has won the Online Journalism Awards, the Signal Awards, Lovie Awards, and Anthem Awards, among others.