The girls jump into the environmental cost of our digital lives, and it's not just our phones and electronics. This is mining on a massive scale: Bitcoin, AI, tapping our payments - they all need huge amounts of power. The stats are kinda eye-opening. Their tracks this week are open-hearted and have a similar vibe.

<p>The girls jump into the environmental cost of our digital lives, and it's not just our phones and electronics. This is mining on a massive scale: Bitcoin, AI, tapping our payments - they all need huge amounts of power. The stats are kinda eye-opening. Their tracks this week are open-hearted and have a similar vibe.</p>

Formerly The Best Podcast Ever

Michelle and Kumi are journalists who met on Twitter and became friends. They're both curious, and concerned, about why the left and the right is so polarised and why the murky, grey areas of life are not being discussed. So, they dig in every week and chat off-the-cuff about the stuff between. They don't always agree, but that's OK. And their music taste differs - but is truly impeccable.

Kumi Taguchi and Michelle Stephenson met on twitter in a pandemic. This is their story.

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