Stephen A. discusses the Celtics 2-0 lead over the Mavericks in the NBA Finals, UCONN’s Danny Hurley turning down the Lakers Head Coaching job, and LeBron James unfollowing Kendrick Perkins on social media. ESPN Analyst Andraya Carter joins the show to discuss the Indiana Fever’s Caitlin Clark being left off the U.S.A. Olympic team.
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Welcome to the latest edition of The Stephen Ai Smith Show, coming at you as I love to do it the very least three days a week over the digital airwaves of YouTube. Before I do anything else, let me think my subscriber and followers. We've eclipped seven hundred and one thousand subscribers. We're on the rise, continuing to do what we do. Thanks for the love and support. Keep it coming, and I'm gonna keep on coming. Let me not waste much time, because I got a lot of stuff to get into, Okay. I got Andrea Carter Talk coming on to talk about Caitlin Clark because that story hasn't faded away. I got NBA Finals talk to get into because there's several people for the Dallas maverage that are no shows, and now they went from being my favorites to win the championship to be in on the verge of being swept. Don't get me started with the innftitude we've been witnessing from them. So that's something to get into. But the first story to a business of course. By the way, let me not forget. I'm gonna revisit my comments about Will Smith in light of Bad Boys Ride and Die opening in theaters over the past few days and do it quite well, quite better than what was initially reported. So I'll get into all of that as the show progresses today. Plus, I'm hoping to have one of my boys on. You know, he's like my boy, he's one of my protectors. He watches out for me. You see what I'm saying. See, I am loved, y'all. Don't realize that I am loved. There's a different subject for another time a little bit later on. We'll get into all of that. For the moment, at this particular moment in time, we got to get into the Los Angeles Lakers because breaking news this afternoon, Dan Hurley Danny Hurley, the two time reigning defending national champion of the Yukon Huskies, will not be departing from Stewart's, Connecticut after all to take the Los Angeles Lakers job. Reportedly, he was offered a six year, seventy million dollar deal, and he told the Lakers to kick Rocks go to hell. I'm not really interested. He didn't use those words. The other platitudes came out of his mouth. Very very great for the Genie Buss. Jim Ropa LAKA very enamored and intrigued by the Los Angeles Lakers, job very flattered that they was interested, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But the man that had recently signed a thirty two million dollar contract turned down a deal for thirty eight million more to join the Los Angeles Lakers, by the way, led by star Lebron James and of course Anthony Davis, to be all NBA players. I wonder why. I wonder why. There's a lot to get into it. There's a lot to peal from this. But here's the bottom line. This, unfortunately is kind of an indictment against the Los Angeles Lakers. I should say, I shouldn't even say kind of. I'm just trying to be kind. The fact of the matter is, if Lebron James is on your squad, of Anthony Davis is on your squad, and somehow, some way you're in a situation where you decide that you're gonna remain at Yukon and coach the Huskies, who again are coming off with two consecutive national championship games. That's an indictment against the Los Angeles Lakers. Don't tell me about this love affeld with stories Connecticut. I'm not saying he doesn't have it. I'm not saying Danny Early and his wife and his family don't love being in Storts, Connecticut. I'm not saying they're not East Coast people who want to stay East Coast people, and they don't want to deal with the allure of tensel Town, the warm whether, the palm trees, the sunshine. But damn it. The highest tax state in the country. Okay, don't get me started with the income tax that exist in California. Okay, I know how disastrous it's been, make no mistake about it. But you can't avoid getting into what this subject is really really about. If the Lakers were a more attractive job, perhaps he'd be interested. I'd make a legitimate argument that if he got off of the New York Knicks job, he probably would have taken it. Now, you're not gonna do that, because Tom Thibodeaux just did a hell of a job for the Knicks this past year. But the New York Knicks have eleven first round picks over the next seven years. Plus. They were in the Eastern Conference semi finals of Game seven, forty eight minutes away from advancing to the conference finals. They've got a future. What do the Lakers have? We don't really really know at this particular moment in time. Lebron James is still all world, but he's approaching forty. Anthony Davis is all world, but he's brittal. Who else do you have? Don't get me started with the Angelo Russell. That brother walks around and cool's control for everything. Austin Reeves's talent tied but still got a ways to go. Vanderbilt ain't been healthy. Riachimra is good but not great. You just fired Darvin hamm And and this entire staff. You're the Los Angeles Lakers, led by Jennie Buss and Rob Paulaker. What do you have to offer? You've got the Lakers the lord of franchise, seventeen championships about to be clipped by the Boss and Celtics if things continue to trend in that direction, because they're about to capture their eighteen championship unless the Dallas Mavericks do something about it. But you're the Los Angeles Lakers. That purple and gold, that Lake of Nation, it's supposed to be attractive. Tiptel Town is supposed to be attractive. That warm weather in southern California, it's supposed to be attractive, not anymore, not anymore. One could also make the argument that the Oklahoma City Thunder it's a far more attractive job than the Los Angeles Lakers, despite its locale. They got Shae Gilges Alexander who's a star, who was my vote for League MVP this year. Try you got ched Holmgren, You got this brother, Jalen Williams. You got a multitude of draft picks out of the Wazoo because of trading Russell Weston, because of trading Paul George, because of doing all the things that Sam Presley is an executive is done to position themselves to be able to get additional help so you can compete legitimately for a championship. What the hell do the Lakers have? You basically asked Danny Hurley to come to Los Angeles and rod the wave of Lebron James, who's about to retire in the next two to three years. And Anthony Davis, whom we stopped the presses and put on the back pages everywhere because his brother finally played seventy six games in one season. There's eighty two in ex season. Right away he played seventy six It was the most games he played in the regular season. Is inside career. And then I'm looking at these salaries. You got Lebron James, the forty seven million, he's got a play an option. He's getting looking to get a three year deal. But with that three year deal, with the belief is if my son is available at that fifty fifth pick, you grabb Brownie James. So you got that a law over and over you. You got Anthony Davis. He's at forty million this past season. What is he a next season? Forty three point two, then fifty seven point six, then sixty two point two, and then a damn player option in twenty seven, twenty twenty thirty, twenty twenty eight at sixty six point eight million dollars. And you don't even know how many games he's gonna give you, even though the brother's all world. So we got that going on. We got D'Angelo Russell. He's got a player option for eighteen point six this year. He opts out, You could do some things, but how much can you do? What if he opts in, who knows he may not do so because you know you're just gonna ship his ass out out of LA. You got Rueyotcha Mora. He signed for the next two years. You got Austin Reeves. He sighed for the next two years, and then got a player option for a thirty year in twenty twenty six. Dave Vincent. There was an app out for him all year. Lord, we ain't see him till the playoffs. Vanderbilt was hurt play the playoffs, and he's locked in for the next four years. If you're the Los Angeles Lakers, what maneuverability do you have? As we look at the power in the Western Conference, Luke and Dallas ain't going anywhere. Sacramento's gon to come up. The Clippers are still in town. Dead Ran Yo, Kischen, jamal Bury gonna come back. You know they're gonna have something to say about it. Did you forget ant Man in Minnesota? Did you forget what a superstar he has emerged into. So I'm looking at all of that. I'm looking at all of that, and I'm saying there's a multitudative jobs that was better than the Los Angeles Lakers and what they were offering. I was hopeful that Danny early would take the job. I actually believed he would take the Lakers' job. Let me tell you why an il name image likeness issue in college sports. The fact that the trans transfer portal was also relevant issues. And here's the biggest thing. I don't know if anybody has noticed this or not, but nobody gives a damn about college basketball anymore until March Madness. Ain't nobody thinking about this to fill out their brackets. Nobody gives a damn about college basketball anymore. This ain't the days in the Big East when Dwayne Pearl, Washington and Mark Jackson and Walter Berry and those boys were at Saint John's and you had Edon Pinkney and McLean and those boys in Villanova, and you had Patrick Ewing and Michael Graham and Michael Jackson and Reggie Williams. Have those boys in Georgetown led by John Thompson with Hoyer Paranoya. You had Sarah Hues even when Pearl was gone. You had Derrick Coleman. You had Sherman Douglas. You have Billy Owens and cats like that. Hell, later on in the year, you had god Sham god Wells, who's not an assistant on Dallas start at Providence, Big East was no joke. Had Luke Connaffecond with a sweater? Remember the Big East was the shit that is changed. Then you had the ACC You had Kennedy, the Jett at Carolina, after Jordan. With Jordan, you had James Worthy, you had him, you had Sam Perkins and those boys. You had Duke, and then later on you had Duke with Leighton and Hurley and those boys. You had Kenny Anderson and leave the Weapon three at Georgia Tech Kenny Edison, Broughan Oliver, Dennis Scott three day. Remember that. Remember that that's what you had. That's what you had. College basketball was it? Who cares? Now? Until March Madness, It's all about the brackets. And I thought, because it was all about the brackets and you had already won two national titles, that him, Danny Hurley, being a high end competitor that he is, would have been about competing at the highest level with and against the greatest players in the world, and that that would be compelling in enough for him to take the job. But the fact that it wasn't says a lot about what people think about the Lakers these days. I'm not knocking them. I love me some Genie Buss and I respect Rob Perlaker, but there's a lot of people that got questions about them, and they don't consider the Lakers an attractive job, which is an indictment. So where do you go now? If you're the Los Angeles Lakers. If you Danny Hillier, you go back to Yukon, you try to three P, plain and simple and he might pull it off. You are the Lakers, where do you go from here? I don't want to hear a damn thing about James Murreo, the former head coaches, Charlotte and the sister. Just stop it, Just stop it. Lebron James doing the podcast with JJ ready for a Reezon and fooling nobody. I'm not saying he's sitting up there picking up the phone, calling Genie Buss and telling them what to do. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is when Darvin Ham, who took you to the conference finals, When Darvin Ham, who lost in the first round this year back to back, he is losing to the Denver Nuggets, but they would have rgan in defending NBA champions when he lost to them. This time around, they won a championship. When he lost to them at the conference finals last year, the brother didn't do a bad job. But you're doing a podcast with JJ Reddick in the middle of the damn season, knowing he was on a hot seat. And then it's the title of it, Mind the Game, So you're talking logistics, you're talking schemes, you're talking about things schematically. That was intentional. He knew exactly what the hell he was doing, and he didn't care. And Darvin Ham is out of a job, and now Danny Hurley has turned down the job, even though Lebron James saying he's so damn good and he would have loved to have him as a head coach. But now that you don't have that, the likelihoods that the Lakers are gonna come back to JJ Reddick. Now for those of you who would say, what has he done, because he's never coached. Neither did Steve Kirk, neither did Doc Rivers when he came out of the booth and he got a head coaching job. Neither did Mark Jackson. So JJ Redick is gonna say what about me? And he's gonna have a legitimate case because everybody knows he's smart. Does does that mean he can coach?
No?
But I bet that he can. And we gotta respect the fact that Lebron respects him. We gotta respect the fact that if it's what Lebron wants, no matter how detached he wants to be from the situation, no matter the reality that it has to be focused on appeasing Anthony Davis because he is the future, not Lebron, who's the best player on the Lakers last year, As great as Anthony Davis was, they went where Lebron James took him. And you know it's a priority for Jenie busting the Lakers to appease Lebron James because he's the ultimate draw. Anthony Davis, as great as he is, ain't the draw Lebron James is. You ain't doing a podcast about mind the game, talking schematically and beyond about the game of basketball with JJ Recortdick just for recreational purposes. There's a method to Lebron's madness. Having Danny Hurley there would have been great, and Lebron knows that. But if you got to go to the NBA route, why wouldn't you go? JJ Reddick would it surprise me at all if that's the route that the Los Angeles Lakers take In the event that you know Danny Hurley passed and he's passed, could they go a different route? Sure, we don't know what the hell they're gonna do. But JJ Reddick is still in the mix. And this is a devastating blow as far as I'm concerned to the Los Angeles Lakers, because it validates that they're not the franchise they want to were, that they're not nearly as attractive as they once were, which means the Lakers have their work cut out for them. Congratulations with Danny or Early. When you're that successful, you deserved and have earned the right to do what you want. I wish Genie Buss and Rob the Lincoln and the rest of the Lakers brass nothing but luck, nothing but the best. They gonna need the best of luck, because there's nowhere around it. This is not a good luck.
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Stephen A?
First of all, always happy to chat with you, always happy to break it down, to get into it. I let me just start by saying this. I am a fan of Caitlyn Clark. I have a serial blocks with her face on it by my door. I got into an argument with you about her goat status and like this has nothing to do with how I feel about Caitlin from the basketball perspective. You already said it, I said it all morning. There's not a basketball reason for Caitlin to be on this team. She did not participate in any camps, she could not participate in any qualifying tournaments. These players on this roster have been working for this opportunity since twenty twenty two. Let's just go ahead and make that very very clear. Multiple players on this roster they played with each other, they have played together. And I've also heard people talking about the first notion that usay is going to win anyway, why not just give Kaitlyn Clark a spot bots eleven.
Twelve, ten on that roster.
Those spots matter in terms of chemistry, in terms of continuity, in terms of familiarity. The Olympics is a tall task. And for people to just say, well, USA is going to win anyway, why not sacrifice a little of the integrity of the roster for a marketing perspective.
Blows my mind.
One you see the roster the men's team just put together. They're not playing around and I know the NBA might not need.
They can't afford to on they can afford even a But I think the W can afford to in the long run because hear me out, the men aren't playing around because they've realized the rest of the world is caught up.
The reason why it takes the rest of the world to catch up is you take some els. The women's side on Team USA can't afford that. They can't afford lack of continuity, they can't afford lack of chemistry. Because, whether people believe it or not, women's teams around the country are also catching up. Like, what's a worst marketing tool to lose gold?
And there are people saying, oh, there's.
No chance, but why not make that as sure a possibility as you possibly can?
Winning gold is the ultimate marketing tool.
I get what you're saying, Steven, and I get what you're saying, but I watch a matter of fact, I'm gonna let you go.
I'm gonna let you go. I just think marketing.
While it's great Caitlyn is already marketing the W and a little bit of rest for Caitlin and having her come back from the Olympic break and having her be in the All Star Game and having her finished the season strong.
That's marketing in itself. People are going to tune in. It's the Olympics. It's the Olympics. People have more grievances, people have more grievances.
Against this country, and they still find a way to tune into the Olympics.
Let me, let me, let me, let me interject, let me interject. Hea Andrea. Okay, so let's go down to Frost Okay, Asia Wilson, Brianna Stewartsbrini and at School, Kelsey Plum, Jewel Lloyd, Britney grind and Diana Tarossi, Chelsea Gray, Alyssa Thomas Nafisa, Kalia Jackie Young and Khalia Copper. All right, let me ask you this question. One of those players come off because of Caitlyn Clak. You telling me Team USA gonna lose? Who stephen A, any one of them?
Tell stephen A.
I hear you, but listen, just hear me out for a second on this because who who are you taking off the roster?
Because let's just think, I don't know, I have no clue.
You're not gonna You're not gonna take a post off.
You're gonna take the twenty twenty one WNBA Finals MVP.
Off that list. That's Kalia Copper and two of her teammates are on that team.
You're gonna take Jackie Young, Kelsey You're gonna take Jackie Young or Kelsey Plumb off that list. They're the most dynamic duo, one of the most dynamic duos in basketball, and they're Asian Wilson's teammates. Those three plus Chelsea Gray, which we don't know Chelsea's great status and I get that, but we can't make assumptions on Chelsea Gray until we see Chelsea Gray, period.
Because Chelsea Gray is the greatest point guard that the W has seen. So if she's saying she's well.
She hasn't played all yet duty injury, she hasn't played all your duty injury. Right.
We don't know what her individual workouts look like. We don't know what she's been doing. We have no idea.
We can't say that she's attended camp she like, so we can't speak to that now. If Chelsey Gray comes out and she can't move and she can't walk in whatever, then maybe people could have some grievances, and that's fine, but we're speaking too soon. We're speaking on things that we don't know. I don't know what chesse Gray has been doing on the court. Nobody does, so there's that. I also want you to think about this, stephen A. While Caitlyn has been an incredible marketing tool for the w what we have seen this season already is that anything that looks like a slight against Caitlyn has been taken as a slight against Caitlyn.
So think about this. Just picture it for me for a second, just think.
And this is what Kate. These are Caitlyn's own words. No disappointment. It gives me something to work for. It's a dream. One day I can be there. Caitlyn handled this quote perfectly, just like Caitlyn has handled a multitude of quotes perfectly. Caitlyn, in my opinion, has said a ton of the right things and at times, stephen A, it's still hasn't mattered what Caitlyn has said. Kitlyn herself came out and said this was a physical league in this what she expected and what were we But hear me out, stephen Imagine this. A picture is taken at the Olympics in Paris. The team is standing together. Caitlyn got caught talking to somebody and she's on the outside of the little team group, that picture is gonna be taken, and what's the headline going to be?
What's the headline going to be at the Olympics if that.
Picture's taken, Caitlyn Clark left out of the team meeting, Caitlyn Clark standing on the side, Caitlyn Clark not embraced by Team USA. I'm just saying, when Caitlyn has no familiarity with these players, no familiarity with the coach, no chemistry with anybody, Why why put her in that situation when you know people are going to be waiting for Therea.
Andrea, you are such a fantastic basketball analyst. I can't believe how lost you are on this subject. Nobody me now, no, listen to me. Nobody is saved from a basketball perspective that Caitlyn Clark belongs in this team against ahead of any of these players. We all know she does not. What we're saying is and nobody and nobody has brought up her feelings of disappointment. We don't care. In the grand scheme of things, stuff happens. Like I told you on first take this morning, Isaiah Thomas wasn't to me. That's the biggest crime Isaiah Thomas not being on an original Dream Team. We all know this, but what I am saying Christian Layton was on the Dream Dream Team ahead of Shaquille O'Neil and Alonso Morning. There's a lot to debate about in regard to people who have been snubbed and people who have been chosen. What I am saying to you is that women's basketball and recognition for the great work that women have done to promote the sport has spent a vast majority of the past two plus decades falling on deaf ears because people did not care. You now have somebody that has the world transfixed on the sport to a point where, regardless of what she's lacking compared to the others, the eyeballs are following her, and as a result, she's elevating the brand. By elevating the brand, everyone stands to benefit. Why would you pass up an international stage to promote your sport just because you want things completely done on its merit when the merits don't necessarily get you paid, because it doesn't get you the cachet and the recognition they undoubtedly richly have deserved forever. How is that a point y'all are not getting.
I hear you on the marketing perspective, steven A, I promise you. But when Caylin first joined the W and she was taking hits left and right, she gets hit by mag Bagore in the head. Asie Magnagor plays for Seattle, what do people start to say, Wow, Caitlyn's being targeted in the league. Meanwhile, me Cheney, anyone who knows the league says, no, that's just as the Magnigore, like, that's what that's that's what she's used to. Now, this negative narrative is painted on the league for targeting Caitlyn Clark.
So now I want you to keep that in mind, right, keep that in mind. Yes, a ton of eyes are on.
The league, but every little thing that happens to Caitlin is dissected, and it's not Caitlyn's fault. We have dissected every hit, Kennedy Carter's hit aside, because I already told you, I already told you aside that I thought Kennedy Carter's hit was out of line.
I thought her comments on the back end were comments that a hater would make.
So Kennedy Carter aside everything else that has happened to Caitlin. We have dissected it to a t, and even when Kaitlyn has come out to say it's not a big deal, people have still claimed it's a big deal.
So you want to put Caitlin.
Which now we have seen, Yes, she can grow the market, wonderful, we love that. But now you want to put her in a situation where she doesn't know anybody, she doesn't know the coach, she hasn't had any time to Joe with this team.
She might not get very much playing time. It's more physical overseas.
And I'm asking you why do you care? I'm asking you why do you care? Why do you care? If that's going to lead to uplifting the profile of the sport, which will get everybody their rich what they've richly deserved for years, Why do you care about that? That's my point?
Why when there's potential for it to be dissected to a t, everything that happens a potential, something that is unintended be taken in a negative light.
And what is that, stephen A.
It's a distraction to the ultimate goal for Team USA.
For Team US.
Distractions, distractions, I think I think Team USA will still get the goal gold and ultimately, distractions are what ends up funneling money into.
Your conference, which pays the bills. What's the problem.
That's the impress.
The news. The news every day is led with some form of negativity, murder, robbery, crime, whatever it is. They don't leave with the leave with the feel good stories. Why because it doesn't sell. That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the w NBA selling Team USA, selling stephen A.
The news station is not trying to have a team focused on a mission. The news station. Okay, according the news, that's what they're supposed to do.
But when you think Kayln Clark will compromise the mission, you think Kaitlin Clark will compromise the mission, You think herby in a twelve spot on this team, she would compromise the mission.
The media, anybody trying to pick this apart, anybody trying to paint it in a negative light, just like they did when she joined the.
W Now, I'm just saying it's a distruction. And what Team USA seems to be focused on is the mission.
That's why they put together the best basketball roster, That's why they've eliminated any possibility of anything being speculated.
Because stephen A.
It goes back to the chemistry when Caitlin knows her teammates, when she's played overseas with some of them on an international stage for the Pan American Games or a qualifying tournament, and she knows them and she can speak to them and they could speak to her, and she's ready for this stage in four years, if the opportunity is there, the growth will be astronomical. It's you're saying I'm thinking small, but I think you're thinking small, which is of course, arguments go right like, there are two sides to this, but to me, the bigger pictures.
You're arguing marketing. I'm arguing marketing, and you're talking about you're talking about the integrity of including on the Olympic team as a rookie. I'm talking marketing. That's the difference between the arguments that we're making. Let me ask you this question.
No, you're ignoring the potential negative aspect of the market.
You're ignoring You're right about that, You're right about it. But the reason I'm ignoring it, the reason I'll admit it, the reason I'm ignoring it because I know what the committee wants. I know what the w n b A wants. I know what women throughout this world want when it comes to women's basketball, and I believe that supersedes the valid concerns that you're bringing up. That's really what it comes down to. Let me ask you this, Are you gonna be okay? If Caitlyn Clark is left off the team? But ratings a compromised, the cachet that you could have capitalized off of you missed out on, and the w n b A led by the Great Asia Wilson, Team USA led by her, the Great Diana Tarassi, and and and and and Chelsea Gray and others. Are you gonna be okay? If the ratings and the revenue it's reported that it doesn't equate or doesn't reach anywhere close to where it would have been if Caitlyn Clark had been on the squad? Are you gonna be okay with that?
Andrea Cotter, how do we know what they would have been with Caitlyn on the squad?
I'm like, I'm asking you, I'm just I'm asking a hypothetical I don't know, I'm asking you a hypothetical question. Are you gonna be okay?
With that.
That's what I want to answer to. I.
I'm okay with growth in the long term if it sacrifices the immediate, if it's better in the long term, I am okay with that.
I am because what we don't want, what I'm not okay with is.
Something negative happening or being painted in a negative way. Again, this is not Caitlyn's fault, but every single thing, a MISTI five, a miss chest bump, standing on the outside of a huddle, every single thing is dissected.
And if it's painted in a negative light and.
It's distracting and she's not ready to even play on that stage, why would we.
Do that right now? Why would we do that right now? We being the committee, I'm just thinking like the committee.
I'm not saying I just I just I, But I think I think you on behalf of the committee based off of what you're saying, is thinking about hull well being. And I can give you countless examples where the individual's well being was ignored and shoved to the side for the betterment of the whole collective product and the game itself. It's been done over the years. It's being done with the NFL right now they're talking about safety. But remember they had games on Sundays and Monday nights, and then they got games on Thursdays. Now this year they planning on having a game on a Wednesday. For crying out loud, they don't get I mean, damn everywhere you I mean, you hear all of this stuff. You ain't thinking about the well being of the individual. You're thinking about the well being of the collective whole. It happens in business. It happens in the business of sports all the time. It has been happening the men for decades. It has been happening in the women for decades. How in God's name is that's suddenly a surprise to us? Now, I'll give you the last word, Andrea.
It's not a surprise, Stephen.
Ay, I'm just saying then, thinking about the committee, there is one mission and.
Players ten, eleven, and twelve are all a part of that mission.
In terms of chemistry, in terms of familiarity, in terms of knowing each other, in terms of knowing how to push each other's button.
Saying Caitlyn should go sit on the sidelines to be a marketing tool is absolutely egregious to me. It doesn't make any sense at all. It's the Olympics. There's no The marketing for the Olympics is exactly what it is. Millions of people watch Team USA take on gold. Go look at Team USA when they played in Beijing. Go go look when they played for the gold. The stadium was full.
Caitlin playing in the W will continue to grow the W putting her on this stage with players that she is not familiar with after not participating in any camp and playing basketball since November, so she can be a marketing tool.
I know it's happened before, but just because it's happened in the past doesn't mean we need to keep it going. I get what you're saying. And also just think about this, Steven Ay.
If I held up my pet snake right here, if I held him up like he's been chilling with me the whole time, he's been fine, he's chilling, he's comfortable, he's nothing.
Nothing wrong is going here, nothing nothing bad is going on here. As I showed him on the screen, it would be right that a snake. Yes, so did you? Yes?
Right?
You think about I know, but hear me out, hear me out, no matter what I say.
Well, about this.
You're not gonna hear me. You're not gonna listen to me. It's a distraction. He's going to be the focus no matter what I say.
He is going to be the focus, no matter how many good points I make, no matter what is no matter what is going on, you have already made up your mind about this situation. That is what the media at times has shown to do with Katelyn. They have their mind made up and nothing else matters. And that's simply not the case. That's simply not the case.
Here.
We can go, we can go back and forth about this all day, but I respect the hell out of your opinion, but you have distracted me. And before I let you get on out of here, I just got to ask you another thing that I ain't asking you business. He's trying to get two personal Andrea. But you know what, you're a very beautiful woman. You're a very accomplished woman. You know what I'm saying in all of this other stuff. And I'm quite sure you have a significant other in your life. They know about that damn snake. They have snakes in your house.
They know that I'm single. This is the longest life partner I have had. I've had him for eleven years. He'll live for about twenty to thirty.
He's super stmonch.
The longest life on you've ever had was a snake. Is that what you're telling me?
This is my boy right here?
This is my boy.
You don't see anything wrong with that? You see anything wrong with that one soever? Andrea nothing, I.
Don't see anything wrong. But Steven Ay, I just want to let you know the way distractions work is they take away the point of the mission. And I just gave you a distraction that took away the point of this mission, and the committee is trying to avoid that at all costs while they chase gold.
Marketing is not the mission. The committee is the mission. And that's it.
That's it.
That's all you gotta say.
That's what That's what.
I hope. I hope, I hope, I hope. Okay, fine, fine, fine, because I'm preoccupied right now because I just saw you kissed that damn snake. I just saw you kissed that damn snake. So I'm very very distracted just so you kissed that damn snake, right, said? You single? Right? Is that your plan to stay that way? To stay single? Because the snake is the longest part that you've had in your life for eleven years, and you're satisfied with a snake who, by the way, the other day, while you were on to it with me, you had to audacity to call sweet. I've never heard a snake in my life. He is no such thing as a sweet snake.
Look he is, he's sweet, he's sweet.
What what's it? What is his name? What is his name?
Name is?
His name is nothing? Capital n like hey, nothing like that.
Nothing. Snake's name is nothing.
Yep, it's from a book. It's it's it's too much to get into. But his name is.
I want any potential part, I want anybody who's looking at Andrea and you're mesmerized by her intellect, her vernacular, her beauty, and the whole bit to understand that she has something in her life called nothing, and it's not a human being. It's a snake. Okay, you do understand. I'm very happy to be talking to you over video. I don't want to be around you, Andrea. I don't want to be around you.
I just want you to admit that, Wow, Caitlin Clark would be an incredible marketing tool. She'll be a marketing tool for years to come, and it's a distraction from the mission to focus on marketing the same way.
Nothing just distracted.
I will agree. That's only thing I will agree with you. I will agree with you on that. I just think the distraction that she is is worth it for women across the world as it pertains the basketball. That's where I stand. I gotta get on out of here, Andrea, but that's where I stand. I appreciate your time. Thank you so much, girl, I really appreciate it.
Spen real Gopher goal at USA.
Let's get it anyway. Let me move on to the NBA Finals, are right? Because the Celtics had taken the two oh series lead in the Dallas after beating the Mavericks one on five to ninety eight in Game two last night. It was truly a team effort as Boston let a balanced attack against the Mavericks. Drew Holliday was big time twenty six points, eleven rebounds, three assists, and that was on the offensive side of the ball. As for his defense, do y'all remember what Drew Holliday said before the finals when asked about guard and Kyrie erv He said, quote pray well. Kyrie struggled once again in Game two, scoring just sixteen points seven to eighteen, shooting from the field, zero for three from deep. And that's where I'm going, because Dallas has no chance whatsoever in the series if Kyrie doesn't get his act together. See Drew Holliday showing you and he and in the edwards, See Drew Holliday didn't ask for Kyrie. He said I got him and woke up that giant. Drew Holliday's a quiet storm. He's already a champion from his days in Milwaukee. He's one of the elite defensive players we've ever seen. In this game. He brings that kind of defensive tenacity to the basketball court. Remember that big time Steele he made in the series against the Indiana Pacers. Right, But he ain't the only one guard in Kyrie. Irvin, Kyrie, Irvin. If it ain't Drew Holliday on him, woman, this is Derek White on him. Another, it's Jalen Brown on him. Another it's Jason Tatum on him. Another it's Porzingis clog in the middle somehow at seven feet three, it's Al Horford at six feet eleven, causing problems. They're all over Kyrie. Kyrie shooting thirty five percent for the fee average of fourteen points. This is not good. And Luka Doncik with a chest contusion, leg soreness and all the brother averaging thirty ain't got no help. Nobody's helping Luka Doncik. So it's gonna be incoming upon Kyrie Irvin. But PJ. Washington, you do where Dallas Maverick's uniform? Could you hit some threes? Please? Shot zero for three yesterday. Kyrie Irving hasn't hit a three point shot in eight attempts in this series. Don't get me started with Derek Jones. He can't buy damn basket. He's shooting to a nine from the field. Derek Lively, the rookie. I know people have been getting on him. He's the reserve center coming in behind Gaffick because they never played together. I want to say this about Derek Lively. He lost his mom right before the playoffs. He has no siblings and now none of his parents are alive. The brother twenty twenty one years of age, and a lot of people look at him and say, well, you know what he performed during the playoffs against Okac. He did it against Minnesota. Remember there wasn't idle time prior to those series, but there was idle time between him winning in the conference finals and ultimately that week off they have for the NBA Finals. As somebody who lost his mama in twenty seventeen, as somebody who knows a lot of people who've lost their mom, that idle time is a bit you're laying back by yourself. You got nobody with you. All you do is got additional time to collect your thoughts and remember how lonely you are, and remember that the person who loved you most, and the one person in this world who loved you unconditionally is no longer there. That's a lot to deal with. So I didn't realize that until one of my boys reminded me he lost his mom right before the playoffs. I totally forgot about that because of the way he had been playing in the playoffs. So my heart goes out to Derek Lively. Man, he's going through a lot. I'm sure I wish him nothing but the best, but I will say this, he got to play better. Gafferd's got to play better. Kleaver is supposed to be Luka Dancik one of his best friends. What kind of friendship is that? That brother? You leaving you hanging? That's the equivalent of somebody jumping you and beating your ass on the streets and you run. That's what he doing in this series, he hasn't done shit. I mean, he gotta get it together, he really really does. But no one has to get it together more than Kyrie Irvin. Kyrie Irving is too great, too magnificent, too marvelous, too spectacular, with too many credentials to be getting handcuffed like this in this series. He don't get it together. Even if Chris STAPs for Zingis who tweaked his calf now, even if he's compromised, if Kyrie Irvin don't get it together, Dallas might get swept. And I thought they were gonna win this series because Forzingis was hurt. Perzinger's been back and playing. He blowing up one minute, Drew Holliday blowing up another minute, Jayalen Brown blowing up period. Dubt's better get it together or they gonna get run out of here. I'm just telling you what I know. I'm just telling you what I know. Let me transition to this other topic real quick, because it's time to get to the world of social media and an interesting story I saw it this week and in the NBA that had me absolutely laughing and hysterics. If you don't know, Lebron James has fifty two point eight million followers on x formerly known as Twitter, and only follows one hundred and eighty two people. Well, this weekend, the Lakers star decided to unfollow ESPN NBA analyst Kendrick Perkins, and social media noticed. Needless to say no, my man, Big Perk. He responded on an X and posted and gave a post that generated millions of you so far. Guess what he said, y'all everybody didn't follow Jesus, I'm okay. That was hilarious. It was hilarious. Okay, here's the deal. The tension between Lebron and Perk can be traced back to when Lebron spoke about Kyrie Irving on his Mind the Game podcast with JJ Reddick. Lebron basically said he's happy for Kyrie and proud to watch his growth heading into the NBA Finals, but he added that at the same time, he's mad that they're no longer teammates. Perk took issue with the comments, accusing Lebron of quote weaseling his way into somebody else's moment son going on. I don't know what it is between Perk and Lebron. I haven't asked people in Lebron camp is alluding personal stuff that's going on. I don't know that I believe my man Perk whatever he said, because the brother don't lie to me. I don't know anybody that he lies to, because Perk is a pretty honest and straight up dude. Here's what I will tell you. However, Perk is a former player and a former teammate, and the kind of things that maybe I can say and others can say, we're not hold to hell to the same level of accountability because we didn't wear the same uniform. We weren't in the locker rooms, and so they might be looking at it differently. And I get that part. Having said all of that, Perk wasn't lying. Now Lebron James to me, ain't committing a crime by quote unquote weaseling his way into a narrative. I'm sure he was very sincere about Kyrie erving the finals are going on here, I get that. I just think it's important to note that Lebron does have a history of trying to manipulate and control narratives. It's not a crime, Lebron. It's nothing to take offense to. Some people could accuse me of that. Some people could accuse Purka that, some people could have use anybody of that. It doesn't mean it's not true. It doesn't mean it's not true. And I think unfollowing Perk proved Perk's point because by unfollowing him, the world knows you unfollowed him, which is another narrative you wanted to create when you didn't have to say anything and didn't have to do anything, just didn't have to respec's coming. But by doing so, he clearly hit a sensitive nerve of Lebron's and his camp. By the way, I mean, Rich Paul still follows Kendrick Perkins. But I'm just saying it was hilarious. Some people didn't follow Jesus, I'll be okay, that's Perk for you, that's Perk for you. I am mad at him because sometimes Lebron needs you to be as aloof as a nonchalant as that, because he's counting on everybody caring because he's lebron and sometimes the carring is warranted, sometimes it's not. That's all I got to say about that matter. I got better things to do with my time coming up. Bad Boys Rider Died debuted over the weekend and scored big at the box office. I'll get into the larger meaning for Will Smith in that movie and the Black community when I return. This is the stephen A. Smithshaw back more in a minute. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the sedition of The stephn Ai Smith Show, coming at you like I love to do at the very least three days a week over the digital a YouTube. I gotta get back to the Will Smith topic that I tackled because it created some noise. As most things that I usually do, it's just the way it goes for me. I'm not here to apologize for anything, but I am here to clarify because I want to make sure that everybody understands where I was coming from when I spoke Friday about Will Smith and the new Bad Boy movies, the Bad Boys rodor Die movie coming out with him and Mart Lawrence that had been out for a couple of days. First things first, our initial reporting was stating that it was coming up short compared to what it had done numbers wise in the past at the box office for Bad Boys one, two, and three. Well, it turns out that this was a very productive weekend for Bad Boys Ride to Die and Mart Lawrence and Will Smith deserve a boatloader credit for that because they got people returning to the movie theaters. So that was a huge, huge plus, and we can't ignore that. And let's get props where props is do. But I want to get more specific into what my take is before I have my boy on. Even though we're both us in a similar venue, we're right near one another. I was having some technical difficulties, so he's gonna be in a separate room because we down here in Florida. But he's right here in the same vicinity as me. I just got him in a separate room, and I'll I'll let you see who he is in a second. Let me say this to y'all. I don't know if I'll ever get over what Will Smith did to Chris Rock. But that doesn't mean I have to, and it doesn't mean that it's a license for me to negatively impact Will Smith. Will Smith slapping Chris Rock was a devastating thing. I'm not talking just for Chris Rock, who's a friend of mine. I'm talking for the black community because obviously, Will Packer was the first black producer to be doing the Oscars in its history, and that was a devastating blow to him. Will Smith came out with Emancipation a year later, for Apple and all of that stuff. Will Smith was sensational in that movie. So was Antoine Fuqua, the esteem director and producer extraordinaire. One could easily argue that both of them would have won an Oscar for that, and that Will's slap cost Will Smith and Antoine Fuqua an oscar. That's what I was thinking about. I was thinking about black folks everywhere aspiring to be in this business, aspiring to succeed, and something like that happens, and it was a blemish on all of us because I know how much White America reveres Will Smith, and the thinking along the lines in my mind was, hell, if he did that, what would the rest of us do? There are certain things that happen in the lives of an individual where those incidences are used as a license to castigate the rest of us. And that's what I was thinking about when I said what I said Friday about being torn as to wanting to go see the movie but not wanting to see Will Smith. I wasn't encouraging anybody else not to do it. I was just saying that I was having trouble dealing with it. And then I got a call from my man, Charlie Mack. Charlie Mack is Will Smith's form of security, good friend of Will Smith, closely connected to Will Smith for decades. I've known Charlie Mack for nearly thirty years of love for him, and he was on fire calling me because he disagreed with my opinion and was going back and forth with me about it. And then he caught me because he says, stephen A, what about grace? What about grace? This is how he feeds his family, This is how he earns his living. He don't have a right to earn a living ever. Again. He can't make a mistake, stephen A, when he never made a mistake before. It's a damn good point. Bigger point he made was Mark Lawrence, because we all look at Martin Lawrence. If you watch Marin from back in the day, ladies and gentlemen. You can't find nobody that love markin Lawrence more than me. That brother is brilliant. That brother has done nothing but create laughs and laughter for us for decades. We should all revere him. And he's the one that brought Will Smith on to bad boys. And Will Smith's still doing bad boy movies with him because you know he damned she I ain't trying to do it with anybody else. That's love right there, that's loyalty right there. And then you got to take into account then orderate amount of people who work on a movie and how they're employed, and how they have opportunities and all because Will Smith is doing what he's doing. And then you got to take into account the fact that throughout Will Smith's life, not just his career, there has been exponentially far more good than bad. And I certainly did not mean the gloss over that. I didn't mean to act like that wasn't reality, that didn't happen. And so I really appreciate my man, my brother, Charlie Charlie Mack for calling me and passionately making that case to remind me of what Will Smith is, who he is, and what he has meant to all of us. You see black people gravitating to him. I'm getting text message is and emails all over the place who said he lost our support. He never lost it. We didn't like what he did. It was unfortunate what he did, but damn it. We love Will Smith and we forgive him. You don't hear Chris Rock talking about it, complaining and complaining about him. Eventually they'll meet and they'll talk. Stephen Ay, we heard all of that, so I gotta stand down. And then I saw this video right here. Y'all take a look at this, and that just elocutes my point even better.
We're in Baldwin Hills. Was about to go into the theater. It's a ritual I have.
I do it like I whenever a movie come out on Friday Saturday, usually a Matt Nail on Sunday.
I like going to theaters.
I'm glad.
That was Will Smith at the Baldwin Hills movie theater in LA. You saw how fans swarmed him, You saw all them black people swarming him. Because he's still loved. It's loved by all of us. He's loved by me. Still as salty as I am about what happened in the effect that I thought and still think to some degree that they could have on us in the industry. But I really appreciate Charlie Mack checking me on that, and I also appreciate my next guest because you know, whenever I'm near South Beach, my man always looks out for me. My man always takes care of me. He's always my right hand.
You know.
I've known him for over twenty years and got a lot of respect for him. He was talking to me about P Diddy weeks ago, and he text me about Will Smith today and I said, what you're doing come on the show? When we were supposed to be sitting right next to each other, but we got to be in separate rooms because one of my mics wasn't working and stuff. But it don't matter. My man Shabez is in the house and I like y'all and hear his opinions from time to time because the brother's quite smart, and I know how feelings he is and how thoughtful he is. Plus I got love with him. He's my brother, and that's how I want to talk to my brothers when I'm doing my own damn show. That's just how I roll. What's up, Shabaz? How you doing? Man?
I say, what's fobbing on me?
So so so talk to me and let the world know. You know how you felt about Will Smith and how you felt about what comments you heard me say about Will Smith this past Friday. Share your thoughts, bro.
I mean, first of all, thanks for having me.
I appreciate you, you know, always giving me love, grace, latitude, respecting what I do, you know, for society and community, and you know, just always showing me love. So I appreciate you having me on to day so quickly, you know, after I just text you this morning. So I appreciate that. Thank you again as it relates to well, you know I'm from West Philly. You know Will from West Philly, so it starts there. You know, I've been familiar with Will since I was eighteen, and like you said, if he's been a phenomenal example you know for our culture, our community, and the industry alike.
Back to the smack. You know me personally, you know me, I'm a straight shoot.
That didn't bother me because you know, seeing things that I saw and how Will felt about other incidences that led up to that. I personally wouldn't have did it in front of millions, but I probably would have did it backstage.
You know what I mean?
The time and pray for everything is what my mother taught me. That's how I felt about that. But as it relates to you, you know, my social media platform for as the OG moves around a lot of people looking for my opinion on social events, yep, like this one. So needless to say, I don't know how many people sent me this because they know you, my man, and they like, come on, dog, you man tripping. So before I was going to say anything, I text you and your response was that you were going to revisit it. So then I said, okay, cool, I'm not going to say anything. I was gonna let you revisit it, and I wasn't even gonna talk about it, And but then came here. My thing was, along with what you already expressed, the disdain and pushback that I was receiving and which I agree with, which I understood and related to, was most people were upset with you, not so much about what you were saying in terms of.
Well owes the black community and apology.
In addition to apologizing to Chris rock, But most people felt the way that you were so hard on him and seemingly so lenient and compassionate when your friend Dana White was in the same seat. And I understand your friend f enough. It's no secret puff as my friend did e P Diddy to other people, puffsh my friend, and my friend is in a sports and hot seat right now. But I didn't abandon my friend.
And even when I.
Spoke on my friend, I spoke with grace and latitude. I can't speak the way to masses Will, because the masses don't have the same relationship, just like I don't know your personal relationship with daint A White, which caused you to approach your situation with about him the way that you did.
But for the masses and our community, it was like damn.
He went ham on Puff, he went ham on Will, but he looked like he was about to cry when he was talking about DANEA.
White. And Dana White was just as wrong as Will, if not more wrong, because he hit his wife.
So I believe that that's what was the bulk of the disdain was it felt unfair to the culture, like as say, didn't ride against Danel White like you rolled against Will so well. You know, but when you said you was gonna revisit it, I know what type of guy you are.
So I wasn't surprised.
I'm gonna tell you this, bro, I appreciate that. First of all, I'm gonna say this about Dana White, what I've said about many many people before, relationship between husband and wife and all that other stuff. So a whole bunch of stuff that goes into that. I look at Dana White. I was the only one that did address it. There was a whole bunch of shows with black folks on the air, they never touched it. I was the one that brought it up, showed the video everything. So you know, when people talk that stuff about letting them off the hook, I don't be wanting to hear that. That's number one. Number two when we talk about Will Smith, it wasn't just the slap of Chris Rock. Now, obviously none of us liked that and the whole bit, but two cats get into it. Backstage, you get down, you get down the fact that he walked up on a stage and slapped that man the way that he did in the public, on a public stage, an international public stage, essentially was what I was talking about, because I was talking about the collateral damage that it would do to our community. Now. To me, a lot of times when cats are bringing stuff like that up, I often say to myself, chabez, Okay, so what do you want? If this black man had gotten slapped by somebody else and we said nothing, what were folks had said then? If Chris Rock had retaliated and then a fight broke out in front of an international audience, what would we have said? Then? We would have lamented the big picture? And a lot of times when you and I talk as brothers, as friends, we talk about that big picture. We talk about that picture shabaz where it's like we ain't even talking about the individual. Certainly at the immediate moment. Because Chris Rock is my friend of COOLi shit with him the whole bit that stung me. But what I'm saying is, over the course of time, I was basically bringing up do we not see the collateral damage that this could potentially have? Had you had other folks within the industry talk about, they would have sued. You had other folks talking stuff about, you know what, We'll never get an opportunity to host the Oscars again, you know, stuff like that, I'm thinking about that collateral damage. And it wasn't until Charlie Matt called me that I said, you know what, Bump all that at the end of the day, Will has done far more good than bad. Will's soul is in the right place for the most part. And when Charlie talked to me about Grace, I said, damn, that's true, because I wasn't even thinking about the fact that, you know what, this could interfere because I was with their premiere because I'm thinking, Yo, I'm gonna go see the movie. It's just I was confessing what I was feeling, and I certainly didn't tell anybody else not to go see it. I was just talking about what I was thinking about. But Charlie was like, y'all twice, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm going to see it. I'm going to see it this week. But that's where I was going. So where are you on that front when you think about the overall impact? I know Will has done more good than bad, and I think that that should be the focus.
Where are you at a million percent?
I mean, I agree with you wholeheartedly on that, and I believe that you know, as I'm listening to you, and as I'm listening to what you say, Charlie said that your as it relates to grace and latitude.
Right.
I believe we're talking about two sets of people when we're talking about concern. You're on one side of the coin, and myself, maybe people like Charlie and other people on.
Another side of the coin.
You're talking about a corporate perspective, and then you're talking about out a street perspective. Okay, from a corporate perspective, I understand you a million percent. A corporate perspective is Will Packers is a black producer. This is his first time being able to produce the oscars.
Any black has ever produced No black has ever produced oscars before.
Yeah, never been done. So this is a monumental moment.
So from the side of the coin, in the purse from which you sit and stand, you're saying this puts a black.
Eye on a monumental moment.
This overshadowed something that should have been spectacularly celebrated at the end of the night.
Instead of talking about that, we're talking about this.
Yes, So on that front, I agree with you wholeheartedly, But I also understand the other side of the demographic that says, man, we don't care nothing about that.
That was two years ago. We writting with Will because he's done more good than bad.
We're writing with Will because Will has in an iconic superhero for black culture and movies, and everybody looked forward to the fourth of July to catch a new Will Smith drop. So that part of the that part of the spectrum. They don't care about that. As you just noted and saw an expression showed, people came out and drove. Like I said, I went to the movie premiere here in Miami, and then I went to see the movie again a couple of nights ago, so I've seen the movie is phenomenal. They kept stepping from Bad Boys one till now, and as you see people still supporting them. You know, he up to one hundred and four million globally, fifty six million in the United States, and they did a great job. So I understand where you're coming from in terms of the overall problem, because you know, we don't pigeonhole. We look at everything across the board, and I just think we're talking about this group having a concern and this group just not being concerned.
You and I have been friends for over twenty years. So I'm gonna go a place that I wouldn't go with more most people, right, we gonna shove Will Aside. From this perspective, willards done more good than Willi's done more good than bad. He deserves our support, he deserves a second chance whenever him and Chris Rock need to handle their business, they need to handle their business. I just wanted to see him doing an interview where he's acknowledging damn, this is some shit that I should not have done because the black community was affected. I wasn't even thinking about just Chris Rock. But that's neither here nor there at this particular moment in time, He's a superstar. He deserves it. He's done more good than bad, and I'm good with it. I'm gonna go see the movie. I don't want to discourage anybody to go see Go see the movie. Him and Martin Lawrence are phenomenal. I'm a huge Martin Lawrence fan, and that is what it is. Here's where I'm gonna get a little deep. First of all, let's understand something here. When we talk about us as a community and what we talked about corporate and you talked about the street. Now, you and I going back pretty much close to twenty five years now, Yoshiabaz, how many times have me and you gotten into the base because I would say to you, yo, all of us from the streets. But at the end of the day, when you're talking about getting paid, where the hell of money coming from? And so for cats to act like they get to distance themselves and disassociate themselves from corporate America or how you getting paid. And so I'm talking about the vast majority. And so when you look at the vast majority of our society understanding that the mechanism or the venue or the avenue that you got to go through is corporate America. For cats to be out there because they connected to the streets, I'm not talking about you. I'm not talking about Charlie Mack. For cats out there to be out there from the streets acting like you a sellout, you're a weak ass, bastard, or whoever you are, just because you aren't as connected to the streets as you once were or as they think that you should be, even though you dabbling and dancing in corporate America. I'm sitting there going like this, well, how the hell you What are you teaching your kids? What are you teaching? What are you hoping for? Your brother? And says, ain't you hoping for them to have a good job? Ain't you hoping for them to get paper? Ain't you hoping for them to have success? And when they would when they acquire that level of susists, where fuck you think the money's coming from? So, in other words, just because you dipping in corporate America and have to deal with it, don't mean you forgot the streets. You don't. For me, it doesn't mean you forgot where you came from. It just means even though you from it, you ain't of it. That is not a crime, And you and I have talked about that on many many occasions. So when you explain what you just explained, I know you get it. I know Charlie Mack and others get it. What makes me wonder about is when the rest of us gonna get it. This is the game that's played and as a result, most people, not all, but most people have to dabble in it. No matter where you come from or no matter what you are of, it is what it is. How do you respond to that?
I believe it comes down to discernment, right.
I believe it comes down to discernment, because you're right, you know, the corporate structure is where the checks come from. Unless you you know, unless you bless un fortunate enough to you know, as we say, get it out the mud, grind it out and become independent success.
Right.
But ultimately and overall, there's still some type of structure that you're gonna have to you know, adhere to and listen to.
But I believe it comes down to discernment.
I think most people understand about the corporate structure and understand that, you know, whether you're from the streets or not, there's still some level of there's still some level of.
We'll just call it best behavior for lack of a better term, my brain frozen.
You still have to exhude some form of good behavior when you're even if you're from the street, and you have to understand a time and a place. So the discernment that I'm talking about is even if you have to be in the corporate world. I think a lot of people have an issue with people that come from the street that transition in the world of corporate not that they forget but they look back and they look down versus look back and reflecting that I come from that.
I understand why they look at it that way, because I'm from that.
Let me, if I'm going to speak on it, let me speak about it in a way that they understand that I'm not with you, but I dig you because I can't act the way I may have acted twenty years ago.
Even me being why in right now, I still like, it's your bazz move.
Yes.
Now do I have this thing where on my.
Platform I say it takes three to thirty seconds to change your life from three to thirty years. So I teach this on a daily basis to youngins people in prison my platform, it takes three to thirty seconds to change your life from three to thirty years. So even though I'm still connected to the streets and the corporate world, I still implore everyone I think before you act, because things that are done are much harder undone. So I respect the people who still carry their street perspective, but they must. It's some imperative that they understand how to move in the corporate structure. It's the last point I said. I wouldn't have done that in front of millions, but he might have had to see me backstage.
But I also understand.
Because because because because you're saying that he had been doing you're saying that Rocke had been doing this for years when it came to Jada, that's what you're saying. And Will had a conversation with m Right.
From what I understood, this wasn't cool. This was something, This was something that brewed. This was just something that stemmed from a prior request of hey, you know, take it easy.
On my wife.
But that.
Last point, I want to get to this last point because I want to stay on point in regards veering away from Will Smith and getting into that general thing, because this is the last point I wanted to make. Okay, you got cats in the streets and they're like, yeah, you from the streets. Don't forget, don't forget, don't forget. But the other thing they tell you is that they want you to reach back me. And you have talked about this for many many years. That's why you my man, That's why I'm yours. We talk all the time about stuff like this. And I said, Joe Shabbaz, you dabbling in corporate America. Yo. For example, let's take first take on ESPN. You see how many black contributors on the show. You see that. You know that I said black contributors that are on the show. Okay, you know there's black producers behind the scenes. You know there's a black boss that overseas the show. That's all of our bosses. So my point is is that when you working through the terrain maneuvering through corporate America, you got cats that want you to still act like you in the damn streets, but in the same breath they want you to make a difference. How the hell are you supposed to make a difference if you rolling like they want you to roll. I'm just sharing with the audience things that I've said to you in the past, which is why You've always had my back because it was like, Yo, I know what essay doing, I know what they doing behind the scenes, But every truth ain't meant for everybody to be told in the time that they want to hear it. They popping shit, but they don't know. And all they doing is talking about being real for the streets. But you can also be real dumb. You can also be real immature. You could also be real ineffective. Because you won't let the streets go. In moments, you need to let the streets go to accomplish what you said you want us to accomplish. For cats that come from the streets, Remember how that how many times we've had that discussion over the years.
Let me let me, let me say something so so there's no confliction when I say the streets for me, let me be unequivocally clear. I'm not in the streets anymore. You know, I'm not involved in the street activity. That life is behind me. When I when I'm speaking about the streets, I'm talking about our black culture, our hip hop culture, the people that are still connected to the people that still relate to me, that I still relate to. I've never abandoned that union. However, I play in corporate structure, you know. I have businesses that are that I have business that are in the in the middle of being comprised as we speak. So I understand both worlds, and that's what a lot of people don't know how to do. They don't know how to relate to both worlds. And I think people in over in this world that I'm speaking about, look at the corporate world and they want to see something that they don't see, like and I just use you as an examp. People be wanting to see stephen A that says I'm from Queens. They want to see stephen A from Queens sometimes, but sometimes they just may see too much of corporate stephen A and they feel like you may be disconnected. So it's a very thin line between being from the streets relating to the streets reaching back and I'm not even from my reaching back financially.
Sometimes the streets just want to be relating to. They just want people to understand them.
So when you say I'm from Queens, but they never see I don't call you stephen A.
I call you. That's right.
Sometimes they want to see essay, they don't want to see if you're from Queen's, I show its you from Queens. Act like you can queen sometimes yeah, but but you use the word at the wrong time. Don't like Queens.
When you can go to.
Jail, tell you yeah in jail, oh yeah, but tell it like it is though. The fact of the matter is you gotta take first take. You take this podcast. I do this podcast three times a week. I do First Take five days a week. I'm on to aird two hours a day. We debate fifteen different topics, seventy five different topics a week, over three thousand takes a year. Okay, the vast majority of the time, I'm always that dude. Now, obviously, you gotta dabble in corporate America. You gotta communicate with that lingo. You gotta make sure you're being heard, not just listen to. And the fact of the matter is, I've graduated to a point where I know how to communicate to whomever I need to communicate to when I need to communicate them about what message I need them to receive. And so sometimes they sit up there and they sit up there and they xod. So how many times and this is the last point, how many times have you talked to me? And you was like, yo, man, they say in this about you, and I was like this, well, I've done about seventy five takes. They complain in about three you want me to do, And you'd be like this as a good damn point, essay, it's a good thing you got. You gotta like every take that's not gonna happen. It's gonna happen. And by the way, all of us as as black people in this country. Put us in a room together, it's rare that we all agree.
So what's You're not supposed to agree with everybody all the time anyway, that's no fun. I mean it's as positive as as I am on my platform and as and as many lives as I've touched and changed and enhanced, everybody don't agree with me. It's and I'm okay with that, you know, because you learn within disagreements, is there's learning lessons if if you can remove their emotions.
So I mean, you're absolutely right. I mean I know you on a personal level.
I know you mean no harm.
I know the conversations that we have and were living in the age of the internet.
You know, everybody has an opinion, and everybody feels like they want to see what they want to see when they want to see it every time, they want to see it every time, and how they want to see it, and it's just not gonna It's just not gonna happen.
You know.
I just like to share with you what comes to me behind.
The scenes, because you always have been known as as as as as the video t P you know, the voice of the people, and so sometimes I have to bring it to the forefront and let you and said, you know in the fact seconds.
And and half the time and half the time, I'm like, yo, man, appreciate your halftime like I don't give a ship. Your bads is where I stand. Listen, let me they do what they want.
Let me say this to your credit. Let me say this to your credit, so people just don't get inquished. Him and I don't always agree. I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say, and he'll listen, and sometimes he just he'll he'll pause and he'll say you bad.
You're my man, and I love it, but I just don't give a dam. I just don't give a dam. And when he say that, all right, what were you eating at tonight? It ain't nothing else to say.
I got you, man, I gotta get on out of here. Man, love you, Appreciate you.
Bro.
I know you write of course the way and whatever we get we getting up to dinner later. Bro, I holler at you, all right, say that my boys bad. That's my man right there, that's my man, that's he right, he right. I do say that maybe I need to be better about that. Maybe I need to be better about saying I don't give a shit. I don't give a damn. Maybe I just need to be kindent in my delivery and my presentation about not giving a damn. Maybe that's the way to go. Last topic before I get to y'all tweet, y'all. Last topic. Okay, did y'all see the video James Harden over the weekend? It went the Clippers guard attended a wedding and his girlfriend. Yo, y'all, she caught the bride's bouquet. Take a look at the y'all, please take a look at this. Damn. The cameras were rolling, man, I mean, you got to hide that just a little bit better. You can hide that just a little bit. Good ladies and gentlemen, ladies especially, I want you to take a look at that. That is not a man that wants to get married. Now, whether it's him not wanting to get married or him not wanting to get married to her, it's only an answer he can provide. But it's safe to say that brother right down with that look with them beetle juice eyes of his. That brother don't want to look like that brother looked like he don't want to get married. I mean his eyes popped open so wide he looked like a relative of Anthony Davis. Them beetlejuice eyes, that's how he looked. I'm serious, y'all, I'm serious. Ain't no insult ber both good looking brothers. I'm just say it. Damn damn James, man, this was so funny. It was funny as hell because I felt bad for him. That was not a brother that wanted that girl to catch that bouquet. It's just safe to say that if you want to keep him, you might not want to talk about average to him because that look right there, that's all I needed to see to know that brother ain't trying to get married. Whether it's to you or not. Like I said, that remains to be seen. But damn I felt bad. It was like James got caught. He like, what the hell y'all doing to me? What the hell y'all doing to me? Anyway, Let's get to the tweets before we get on out here for the day at CE underscore Riley five plus three h steven a better chance of happening next year Knicks win the Finals or Jets win the super Bowl. I say the Jets win the Super Bowl. They got Aaron Rodgers, they got Breese Hall, they got Sauce Gardner. You're to see what I'm saying them brothers are loaded and Aaron Rodgers coming back. Aaron Rodgers healthy, proved your offensive line got a big time wide receiver, y'all. I ain't sleeping on the Jets. Clearly the Jets. Nicks got a chance, but they got to go out there and get somebody else. We'll see whether it's poor George, Kevin Durant and somebody else. But they need help. New York Nicks a winning the championship. Now we're bosster looking the way they're looking right now, that's for sure anyway. Next tweet at Little Kenny p Underscore twenty three. The Man, the Myth, the Legend. Stephen A. My wife decided to enter a cooking contest after I lied to her and said her peach cobbler was amazing. Parentheses didn't want to hurt her feelings. She came in seventh place of people and has now upset at me because she didn't win. Like sleeping on the couch, mad, was I wrong for lying her? Pleased at vos Yo bro, you are wrong for lying the her, but only because you put her on public display and ended up embarrassing her. When you do that, you say that privately because you want her to feel good, because the better she feels, the better she'll make you feel. But you ruined all that shit the second you exposed the publicly, because publicly they confirmed that you aly in. So not only now did you lie to her, you embarrassed her. Get used to the couch for a little while, bro, just a little wild. She has needs. She'll eventually comfort to you for those needs to be satisfied, but not before you pay a price that you deserve. You know what I'm saying. Beat it. There's different definitions to that, my brother, think about it. Let's move on at rgch underscore. Right, how do you sleep? Question mark? How does it change with the seasons? Well, I wind down a couple of hours before I go to bed. I try not to eat too late, because you don't want something churning in your belly. Do a little exercise to you know, not to work up your heartbeat, but to get in a little something that makes you get refreshed. Sometimes a nice hot shower will make you sleepy as well. All right, glass of water, you gotta turn off the lights, and you gotta turn on the TV. Now. Keep in mind, I'm not practicing what the hell I just preached because I always have the TV on. But I'm telling you that's where it goes. That's where it goes, and I just need you to know that, okay. So and in terms of what I would wear, man, I just have on a tank top or a T shirt and pier of shorts called the day. That's me. The other stuff is more important, though. Turn on the lights, lighted candle, all right, turn off the TV. Play little calm music, don't play no damn hip hop music, nice R and B. You know, quiet sound, that kind of smooth sound, stuff like that. That helps. That helps. But sleep is very very important, especially as you get older. So make sure you get it. Last tweet here at budget iq Rights, you can only have one for the rest of your life. Which one are you picking? Popey's Windys covers, KFC, Chick fil A, McDonald's Burger King. I'm gonna go with Chick fil A. I think Chick fil A is a little bit healthier. I think their fries are better, even though McDonald's fries are delicious most of the time. Chicken. It's better than the beef. Sometimes they got the nuggets, they got the chicken sandwiches, they got a variety of things. I'ma roll with Chick fil A. That's where I'm gonna go with it. Gotta get on. I think I got one more tweet here. It's hard to see this. It's a bonus tweeter, right, what they telling me? And I gotta see this, So I gotta see what this is and make sure I can read it properly. At key key key ss nine rights. What do you think of this picture? That's me at the Celtics game last night, looking pretty damn smooth, I might add, but I'm just telling y'all the smoothness is kind of throwing me off because now that I've lost weight and I'm getting in better shape, women are objectifying me. You know, I'm looking at these old women. These older women, they sat up there. I walked into the restaurant and I m hm, I was like, and I ignored it. And then I just went over with a friend of mine and eat at the at the restaurant, and then I had to get up to go to the bathroom, and these women slid the chair out and slid back and lean back.
To watch me.
Now, look, damn it, ain't nobody gonna confuse me with j Lower, Beyonce and SOB. I ain't got nothing like that back there. You understand I'm saying. My jewels are in other places. But my point is they were looking at me like that, and I was like this, Oh my god, is this how it is for women? It made me ashamed of how we can be. It made me ashamed how we could be. It made me think about changing how I look at women, but only for a second. I'm still a man. I'm gonna look. Does help that I have a qtie, you know. So I'm all right, but you get what I'm saying. You get what I'm saying. That's it for this edition. To that Stephen, they spent show. I got to get on out of here. I'll holler at y'all live Wednesday from Dallas, Texas, sight of Game three of the NBA Finals and tell then everybody piece of love. Hope y'all enjoyed the show.