Stephen A. Smith is a New York Times Bestselling Author, Executive Producer, host of ESPN's First Take, and co-host of NBA Countdown.
Stephen A talks politics with Fox News host Will Cain, including President Barack Obama’s endorsement of V.P. Kamala Harris, the momentum within the Democratic party among white women and young voters, and Donald Trump seemingly backing out of the upcoming presidential debate. In sports news, he comments on Charles Barkley’s statement about the new NBA TV deal, and FS1 Undisputed Host Skip Bayless labeling himself the Most Hated Person in Sports Media. ESPN NBA Insider, Brian Windhorst joins the show live from the Paris Olympics to discuss TEAM USA basketball.
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Oh dale, O'Dell. I mean, this is what I'm talking about right here, This is what you lift for. Donald Trump is running scared. I never thought I'd be able to say that. I mean, I never thought I'd be able to say that. This man calls out politicians like as easily as he drinks a glass armor juice or something. Running scared from Kamala Harris, and Kamala Harris is coming at him. I'm like, damn, oh my lord, the former president looks scared to debate. Never thought I'd say that. Stephen A. Smith Show in the house. Let's roll. What's up, everybody. Welcome to the latest edition of The Stephen A. Smith Show, Coming at you as I love to do it the very least three days a week over the day digital airways of YouTube, and of course iHeartRadio as always got to show my love and appreciate you to my followers and subscribers. We have now eclipsed over seven hundred and forty five thousand subscribers, closing in on seven point fifty and of course got over one point three million downloads over the last couple of months or so on. iHeartRadio can't thank y'all enough for the love and support, keep it coming, and I'm gonna keep on coming. To continue to like and follow the steven A. Smith Show right here on YouTube, just click the bell and get notified of all of our new content, and you two shall be the latest member of the steven A. Smith Show family. And while you're doing that, please don't forget to pick up a copy of my New York Times best selling book, Straight Shooter, a Memoir of Second Chances and First Takes, now in paperback. Just go to Straight Shooter book dot com to get yourself a copy. Once again, that straight shoot a book dot com to get yourself a copy. Let's get right to it, y'all. I'm gonna get to Team USA basketball. I'm gonna get to some sports, Okay. I'm gonna get to my man, Skip Bayless and some of the things he had to say and something that he said about himself that I need to address. But I got to get to this first. Got to get to the race for the White House. We're support for the presumptive Democratic nominee, Kamala Harris continues to pour in. We'll get to the dollars being raised in a moment, but I want to start with former President Barack Obama and wife Michelle, the greatest first lady in the history of this country, by the way, who called Harris today lending their support to her campaign. Take a listen, Tamalah.
No, Hi, hey there, Ah, you're both together. Oh it's good to hear you both.
I can't have this phone call without saying to my girl, Kamala, I am proud of you.
This is going to be historic. We called to say Michelle and I couldn't be prouder to endorse you and to do everything we can to get you through this election and into the Oval office.
Oh my goodness, Michelle, Bractice means so much to me. I am looking forward to doing this with the two of you, Doug and I both and getting out there being on the road. But most of all, I just want to tell you the words you have spoken and the friendship that you have given over all these years mean more than I can express. So thank you both. It means so much. And we're gonna have some fun with this too, aren't It's.
About damn time. It's about damn time. Better late than never. I personally thought the Obama should have came out immediately endorsing her. But I understand that Obama, being the brilliant statesman that he is, being the face of the party still to this day, being the most popular in the party still to this day, obviously wanted to let things play out before he came out front and center as the former president of the United States. I guess one could surmise it's easier to lean on his judgment and just leave it at that. I guess I'm thinking about the fact this black woman from an AGBCU your the first black president of the United States of America, the first lady, phenomenal as she is. I just it would have been nice to see them earlier, to see them speak up early, to them one of the first people to speaking out, that they didn't get beat to it by Chuck Schumer and Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi and everybody else in between. It would have been nice, But nevertheless, it happened, and that's what really really counts. We know that Obama will be speaking at the Democratic National Convention next month in Chicago. The likelihood is they're smart they'll let Michelle Obama do so as well, because she's an exceptional speaker in her own right, and we don't need to hear too much from President Joe Biden. Let him speak for a few minutes out of respect and deference and what have you, and just leave it from there. Here's one of the things that I want to say, and I've said this before and I said it again. I listen, I ain't vote for no damn Donald Trump. It just not. But I want to say this to some of the Democrats, particularly these pundits. Start with the damn emotion. I mean, y'all acting like Biden died. He's still alive, he still has his family, he still has the presidency of the United States for the next five to six months. He's got a fifty year career in politics to lean on. It has gotten to the point where it's pretty damn embarrassing watching some of these folks out there talking about Biden. Like, first of all, nobody believes y'all, because we know he was forced out. Secondly, even though he was forced out, and rightfully so, because he should have been, because he's not what he used to be. Clearly lost as fastball, his cognitive abilities appeared to be slipping. Just to touch and to be the commander in the chief of the United States of America. That's a lot when you're eighty one years old. Not to say that Nancy Pelosi would have any problem with it, because at eighty four the energy of people, damn there half of age. But that wasn't the case with Biden. We saw it during the debate. We saw it when he walked and talked. We knew that it was time. I understand that this is an individual that you respect. That obviously if you are a Liberal, if you are a Democrat, you think he's done a hell of a job. But to be talking about him like he's the second coming of Gandhi, it's gotten a bit ridiculous. I mean it really has. I mean, you got people damn near ready to cry on the air for what Because it's time for him to go home from his job. Been in fifty years, I mean forty eight to be exact. Thirty six years is the senator, eight years as the Vice president, four years as the President of the United States. What's the problem got people on here crying crime? I don't know what the hell's wrong with y'all. You're supposed to be somewhat objective and just giving us facts and not right with emotion, because now we know you're been lying all of this time. You knew stuff was wrong because look at the effort that's taking you to even talk about it. So you certainly wasn't gonna call him out if he had not elected to step away, you were gonna cover. You were gonna do what you could to support him instead of saying self, for the good of the country, you gotta step away. Come on, y'all, get it together. And Barack Obama probably did what needed to be done behind the scenes, and he should be applauded for that. And Michelle Obama, who a lot of people felt should have ran for president because there's no way it hell Trump would beat her in my opinion. But it's Kamala Harris and ladies and gentlemen, it's getting thick up in here. She is the presumptive nominee. There will be all competitors have walked away. Gretchen Whitmurr and Gavin Newsooms of the World and Wes Moore's of the World and others. Everyone has rallied behind her. She is the Democratic nominee for the presidency of the United States of America. And I don't want to hear no nonsense about how she did bad in the primary four years ago. I'm gonna talk to my man Will Cane in a few minutes about that, because I know he's gonna bring that up. I don't want to hear all of that. The bottom line is that's going up against a bunch of other Democrats trying to win the nomination. This is you haveing a nomination and going to get somebody on the opposite side of the fence. And whether you want to call it law fair, whatever it is that you want to call it. I think the one thing that Kamala Harris said that was very powerful in her first speech since body stepped down was when she said, I know Donald Trump's type because she going for on, she going after. She's doing what he usually does to people. And that's what makes this interesting. I'm a sports guy, ladies and gentlemen. I like competition. I like to see people mono and mono or man versus woman and whatever. I love it. Whatever the game calls for, let's get it on. And what I love about what Kamala Harris is doing more than anything is that she's saying, y'all, I think you a criminal I think you this, I think you that don't matter you, this GOP nominee. I'm gonna take you down. Let's go, let's go for let's let's debate. She ain't talking law fair. She's basically saying Trump, I'm gonna bust your ass. That's what she's saying. That's what she's saying. And I gotta admit I love it. It's musty TV when they debate each other, if they debate each other. Let me get to this point because I gotta get to Donald Trump, the GOP nominee I was just talking about, who earlier stated he thought it was important for presidential candidates to debate one another. Remember that Donald Trump, Well, it's Donald Trump. Remember Remember Donald Trump and Joe Biden agreed to a second debate that was scheduled for September tenth, right, Remember that Boden of course, announced on Sunday that he won't be seeking reelection, like I just told y'all, opting the stead to lend his support behind Vice President Kamala Harris. We know all of that now. The Trump campaign said yesterday they won't commit to a debate until Harris is confirmed as the Democratic nominee. Really really, Donald Trump, that's what That's what it is. You scared? What that hell's going on? I mean, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to Donald Trump. I'm looking forward. I know y'all might not like this because he was just on trial for some manslaughter or whatever, but it got thrown out. But Alec Baldwin imitating Donald Trump, I missed those skits on Saturday Night Live. I want to see him again. I want to see him again. But anyway, I digress. The point is this is Donald Trump. You love going after folks, you love calling folks out right. Well, Kamala Harris calling him out, She calling him out. He goes on TV the other day and talks his talk about Kamala Harris, and she like, let's get it on, let's debate. Ain't nobody running? Nobody scared? All of a sudden, he got nervous. Why could that be? Could it be because of Roe v Wade? Could it be because you're not that sure those women out there gonna come and support you. Could it be because that bipartisan border bill that would have resolved some of these immigrant issues crossing the border got your fingerprints all over it just as much as you want to say her fingerprints were on it, because she was the quote unquote borders are even though people are saying she wasn't the boy the z all, but she was because she was in charge of it. So you don't have to call her dissaw. But she was in charge of that issue. Fair enough. But the bottom line is Donald Trump got in away of that bill, bipartisan being signed in the law. Could it be because of that? Could it be because of the theme the prosecutor versus the criminal is a little bit too much for you to take right now. I'm just asking, see, I want to see the action. I want to see the debate. That's what I want to see. Okay, Remember this is Harris for President. This is the statement she gave on Donald Trump immediately following his Fox News appearance. Lit'ten look at that statement on a seventy eight year old criminals Fox News appearance. This is on a Harris for President state. I mean, this is the statement. Main takeaways Trump gave to the American public. Trump praised his Project twenty twenty five, the one he distanced himself from, but people who used to work for him basically came up with that one. Trump is flustered and lashing out. When Trump wasn't lying, he was making threats. Abortion bands are good mail in voting is bad. Praise dictators because he wants to be one. Trump is clearly worried he made the wrong pick. In jd vance, Trump is old and quite weird. This guy shouldn't be president ever again. If anyone wants an alternative, Kabala Harris's offering one, and damn damn, that's something Trump would do. That is something Trump would do. Ladies, gentlemen, this ain't the primaries where she's got to compete with other Democrats for their affections. She's the nominee. They'll make an official in Chicago. But she's the nominee. She's got all the support, all the donors, all the financials backing her. She's the nominee. Trump don't need to wait to agree that the damn debate. You ain't agreeing to the debates because you're a little bit nervous. This is Trump Vance America, Make America great Again. Twenty twenty four, Trump campaign statement on general election debates. Quote. Given the continued political chaos surrounding Criocket Joe Biden and the Democrat Party general election debate details cannot be finalized until Democrats formally decide on their nominee. There is a strong sense by many in the Democratic Party, namely Barack who's saying Obama that Kamala Harris is a Marxist fraud who cannot beat President Trump, and they are still holding out for someone better. Therefore, it would be inappropriate to schedule things with Harris because Democrats very well could still change their minds. Stephen Chung, Trump campaign communications director. I guess that explains why Barack Whossain Obama came out with his endorsement today with his wife Michelle Obama by his side. He's saying, we put that the rest. You know why he's saying put that to rest, Donald Trump, because he's saying, what you're running for, You're gonna try what an excuse? Now you're gonna come up to hide. I can't believe what I'm saying this because I'm not ridiculing an I'm simply saying, Donald Trump, I didn't expect you to run. You look like you running, You look like you scared. You really really do you really do? I ain't saying y'all because I don't know, but damn it, you told bidden you wanted to debate him five times in the first debate. I don't know what he said. I don't think he knows what he said. And you weren't just calling him crooked Joe Biden. You said his faculties weren't there, he's clearly slipped, and all of this other stuff. So you were mocking him and ridiculing him and talking about how unalert he was, how he was lacking cogency, all of this other stuff you brought up. But low and behold, when you got Kamala, who's nineteen years younger than you, who's lucidity, who's cogency, who's intellect? Ain't really something you can question. Now all of a sudden, you're talking about debate rules. Donald Trump, whinever you cared about the rules. I mean, part of your popularity is your willingness to buck the system. Let's get it on, Let's do what it takes, Donald Trump. That I knew that man could throw a party. He could he could throw a fight. When Tyson was fighting at Trump at Trump Casinos, you understand, had the hotels still got them, got all of this stuff going on, Dad. Donald Trump loves sports, basketball games, football games. Remember you wanted to be an NFL on the owner Buffalo Bills, boxing matches, etc. You understand one that gave put money in Dana White's pocket to get Dana White started with the UFC. Donald Trump loves sports, He loves competition, he loves going at it. And all of a sudden, you don't want a debate. You want to see what the rules are and who abides by them. This is a different day, y'all. Kamala Harris is coming. Her campaign's coming. She ain't playing because that's the only chance she has to win. She has no chance of beating Donald Trump. If she's timid. She has no chance of being beating Donald Trump. If she's shy, if she ain't willing to be aggressive and assertive. Remember some of the things they say about her, Remember that some of the things they say about her is that she don't play. She really really doesn't. Her analytical abilities have been praised, and her toughness. This ain't Joe Biden, the eighty one year old Joe Biden. It's a different animal that's coming Donald Trump's way right now. And he seems to know it, and so does JD Vance's vice presidential Kennedy. Hmm notugh for me. Okay, everybody, you know what Tom? It is right, It's Tom for stephen a Sports Picks. And you know what, I'm about to go crazy right now. I'm about to go crazy right now. Why because today I'll be making picks for some of the biggest names in men's basketball who are playing in this year's Olympic Games. But I can hear y'all asking already. I hear y'all, I hear y'all. How are you going to do that? Steven A? What guess what is easy? I'm gonna do it. What prizepects of course, that's right, you see. Prize Picks is a skill based, real money daily fantasy sports game where you select two or more players and predict if they will have more or less than their stat projections for the game. And it's not just basketball in the Olympics. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no. 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Your team France, by the way, more or less nineteen and a half points. They haven't been playing well, at least in the exhibition, but the brother's seven five and he's a primary offensive focal point for the team. I could see him getting nineteen and a half points. Even if they lose, he's still gonna get more than nineteen and a half points. I'm gonna go with more you seven to five. I'm gonna bet on you scoring more than nineteen and a half points. My league MVP in the NBA last year. Even though people picked your kitchen, I picked this man, shake Gil just Alexander for the for Team Canada more or less than twenty one and a half points. The brothers got skills. He knows how to score. He's got a fluid game. He can play, was made for Olympic competence. He's got a mid range game. He's got a long range game. You can get to the free throw line. He can make things happen.
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And he's a focal point that the team trusts. I could see him scoring more than twenty one and a half points. So I'm gonna go with more, more, more on him, and last but not least, the great freak himself, the one and only Yannis and the Gombo more or less twenty five points. See here's the thing. I haven't heard much about what he brings to the table, but I know what Yannis brings to the table. And I know that even though collectively you can beat his team, there's no answer for him, this locomotive coming at you twenty five points Olympic competition. I know it's a tough sell, but it's Yanni's and because it is him, I'm gonna go with more, more, more for Lebron James, Okay, for Shay Gil just Alexander, for Yann Anthem, for Victim Wimmen, Yanna. I'm going more and more and more and more, because that's what we do with prospects. We have to give you more so you can come back for more. Let's talk to somebody who I must admit is more of an expert at this stuff than I am, because it's what he does for a living every single day. He's been on ESPN before doing Rao Ben a frequent contributor on my show, First Take My Day Job. We've been friends for years, even though we almost never agree and we always argue, so it just seemed apropos to have him on Right now. I'm talking about my buddy who works at Fox News, Fox and Friends on the weekends, also got his own podcast, Will Kine Podcast and all of that stuff. The one and only Will Kine right here with you, boy, right now? What's up? Big time? How you doing?
What's up? Stephen A? Aloha?
You know. When I launched the Will Kine Show on Foxnews dot Com, I believe my very first guest was Steven A.
Smith and I asked you to do me that favor.
I asked you, hey, man, I would love revisiting some of our old conversations.
Would you do this for me? And you said yes.
So when you text me, am I vacation in Hawaii, my answer is yes, absolutely. I can't wait to be on the Steven A.
Smith Show, you know what.
And I appreciate it, man, but I had to get the start it will because you know what, I'm looking at former President Donald Trump and the man that called out Joe Biden was saying that they get debate anytime, we could debate five times and all this stuff, and now all of a sudden, he looks like he's running from the Vice president Kamala Harris. Now, you talk politics all the time, you talk about this stuff. Obviously we know where you stand, we know where the news network that you work for stance. I want to know what you think about your man, Donald Trump looking as at least looking like he is running from Kamala Harris. Could you explain that, please?
Yeah, I don't even think you believe that. Come on, man, I don't think you believe he will I do. I do, man the same man, And let's be real, and one of the most consequential events in probably at least thirty years, perhaps a half a century, took a bullet to his ear millimeters from death. Stephen A, whose first reaction and I wouldn't judge anyone for the reaction in that moment.
I wouldn't judge you, stephen A.
I wouldn't judge my my best friend that if they got up and ran, panicked and scared, I wouldn't judge them, because there but for the grace of God go I. I don't know how i'd react to an attempted assassination, but I can look at someone whose first reaction was hold on, hold on, let me get my shoes, and then raise.
His fist in the air and you know, fight, fight, fight with blood.
Trickling down his cheek. I don't think that man is afraid of debating tom La Harris.
I do think this, stephen A.
And I don't know if you've ever had the privilege of meeting Donald Trump or being around Donald Trump.
But he has the the.
He has then you've probably experienced this, You've seen this.
I think Trump is that little He's that that id.
He's that voice inside your head that tells you the truth, but sometimes says to you, Hey, don't say it that way, say it a different way.
You know.
He he says whatever is on his mind, and there's an element of truth to it. His bluntness.
He doesn't live in a world of should or shouldn't, or idealism or ideology. He lives in the world of IDs. And so when he chose not to participate, for example, the Republican primary, he looked at what is and he said, I don't need to. I'm way ahead of all of these individuals. What does it benefit me to debate Ron DeSantis, to debate Nikki Haley? And I think he's probably making a similar calculation when it comes to Kamala Harris. I'm ahead, I'm winning this election. What does it benefit mean? I don't think he's I think he's just saying what is?
I don't know if I can agree with you on that? Will o K no surprise there because I mean, obviously there's been some strong momentum that she's picked up on since President Biden announced that he was stepping the side and paving a way for her to be the presumptive and ultimately the Democratic nominee for the presidency of the United States. And Trump has been on the record stating that he believed the two candidates for president should debate versus one another. And then he's trying to sit up there and then throw out this and dance about how you know what, there's no need to think about that until we're sure she's going to be the nominee. Everybody and their mother has endorsed her. She's going to be the Democratic nominee. It is as obvious as the sky is blue. So there is no excuse. And to me, if he's backtracking right now, because he sounds like he's backtracking, it, I detect a little bit of nervousness on the part. Now, obviously that's not the same as what he went through. I'm not one of these conspiracy theorists and acting like he didn't get shot or you got the FBI talking about we didn't discovered you know, if it was a bullet that damaged his air and all of this other nonsense. There was an attempted assassination on a former president and that's nothing to joke about. That's something to be very serious about it. And thank god he survived and he didn't get killed. Having said that, a different subject matter is that you got a VP who obviously is strong on women's rights to choose. She clearly is in favor of that. He was somebody that bragged about being a proponent of overturning Roe v. Wade, and you got a lot of woman out there that may side with her, and maybe that's what has him nervous. Will K, what do you say to that?
Well, I'll say I'm gonna it's not a matter of me giving you a point. You and I've been around each other a lot of times. I think, and you know this, I think you make a lot of great points. So let me acknowledge something that you're saying right now. Even though you and I have disagreement, I think you make a lot of interesting and my favorite thing about you, beyond being my friend, is your unpredictability. So let me return this favor. I think Kamala Okay is a moonshot for democrat. I think she has a higher ceiling and a lower floor than Joe Biden. Joe Biden was a known quantity, and it was a negative quantity. It was increasingly and coalescing into a problem, a negative, a negative element for Democrats.
He was going to lose.
Kamala could generate, as you point out, more enthusiasm, Steve and I I also think she could create her I don't know what's gonna happen. I think when the spotlight shines on you, you never know who's gonna be exposed or what's going to be how someone will react. I think Ron DeSantis is an example of that. Once the spotlight was on him, it was clear he wasn't going to win a Republican primary and he's not built for the national spotlight. We'll have to see when it comes to Kamala, but I will acknowledge some enthusiasm that her ceiling could be higher than Joe Biden's. I want to ask you this, Steven A, and this is a return to some of the great conversations that we had. So you know, what's interesting to me is the current idea that she being a DEI beneficiary is somehow racist, if I come to you and I say, look, Kamala Harris is a DEI beneficiary politician. I don't know what your response to that is, Stephen A. But I know that many on the left are going, well, that's racist. But here's what I can't reconcile. You know, DEI was supposed to be was described as a good So why now are you assuming that it's a negative. And Joe Biden himself has said that she, by the way, is app she's a great feather in his cap on DEI. That's what Biden has said. So how is it that you can simultaneously say the proverbial you, because I don't know yet what is said by Steven A.
Smith.
How can you say, oh, she's a great example of the benefits of DEI and say it's racist also for opponents to point out she's a beneficiary of DEI.
Well, I don't think you can. I don't have a problem with that question. First of all, because you and I talk all the time, and we go back and forth, and we are friends with former colleagues working in ESPN together. You're my buddy, so you know we talk about this stuff and butt heads and argue back and forth, and then we go out and have a drink of something. That's what we do. So let's make sure we put that out to the audience right there. Having said that, when I'm saying that, I don't have a problem with what you're asking because you bring up the part about those who say she's a product of DEI. So why was it a complimentary thing before, but now it's a racist thing now? That's a legitimate question. Okay. What I would say to you is, most people don't view her as a product of DEI. We talk about DEI talked about diversity, equity, and inclusion. Of course, we talk about equity, we talk about inclusion, we talk about diversity, and some of the things that you're doing. The reason why they're in existence is because of the iniquities of this system and people who run it for decades upon decades upon decades. That's why so many things like affirmative action and other things had to come into existence because of the iniquitous actions of those who played the different game, and they engaged in prejudice, and they engaged in bigotry, and they engaged in marginalization and pigeonholing and denying folks the opportunities even though they deserved it. In the case of A Harris, who came from an HBCU, who was a city, a district attorney in the city of San Francisco, a state attorney general in the state of California, the Vice President of the United States of America, what we're saying is the qualifications on that resume are so expansive at this point in time that DEI shouldn't even be mentioned. And for folks to bring that up, you're doing it because not you will, not you not you will, but folks who are bringing it up now because they're trying to find something to swing at to sort of assist in alienating potential voters that may go in her direction. That would be my answer to your question.
And our disagreement will lie in the following a. She has been proclaimed to be a beneficiary of DEI, So they're not creating this out of thin air that people have said, hey, look, this is a great thing. She is a product of DEI, in the same way they've said that about Kontanji Brown Jackson. Joe Biden brags I appointed the first black female to the Supreme Court of the United states in insinuating, not insinuating blatantly saying I prioritize skin color. And when you prioritize something like that, you are saying you've prioritized it over what. And the implication is clearly some merit. Now, that doesn't mean you go absolutely to zero merit. That doesn't mean the person is selected. Well, not a Supreme Court justice or Kamala Harris has zero merits, But you place something else above merit in this case their skin conde. And I think the second place of disagreement, so B is you gave her resume.
My argument back to you would be, I don't know, disagree on that part, okay. And then but on her resume, I'm.
Is a resume that everyone in public life and most corporate CEOs can match. Like you pointed out her college degree, her law degree. The truth is, Pamala Harris has not been a very successful politician. She doesn't have a lot on paper to speak for herself. I mean she came from San Francisco, one of the far left districts in the United States. That doesn't make you well suited for a national political office. It just does it because San Francisco is not very representative of the broader United States of America. She doesn't have any policies, she had any policies anybody's super proud of or that she can brag about. So her primary thing, her primary feather in her cap, her primary qualification for Joe Biden was in fact the color of her skin. That she was, in his estimation, a great lead forward NAIs of America in appointing the first black vice president, female black vice president, and therefore it's not an insult to go, oh, you prioritize DEI. Now, don't call me, and I'm not talking about me individually, but don't call someone racist for pointing out she's a beneficiary of DEI.
Well, listen, what I would say to you is this, If you want to sit up there and say, don't call somebody racist, that's fine because I'm down for that, because that word is thrown out too loosely at times, and I definitely would side with you on that. But I'm certainly not going to look at her and say, excuse me, what her resume is really not that impressive. At the end of the day, titles do matter, and that comes associated with resumes. Like you're will Kine. Sure, but you were a political analyst, you wore a sports analyst, you wore a sports radio host, et cetera, et cetera. You've done a lot of things to diversify your portfolio. Ultimately, what we read, we're looking at your titles and we're deducing you had to have some level of ability to be in a position to accomplish all of these things. Now you can sit up there as a center of one of one hundred senators, okay. Or you're a district attorney in the city of San Francisco, or you're an attorney general in the state of California, the second largest state in the Union. You're talking those are major accomplishments. Being a vice president of the United States, that's a major accomplishment. And so when you look at it from that standpoint, and there are those who are inclined to lean on race before they're bringing up her qualifications, it ain't just about race. It's also about gender in some people's eyes. There are a lot of women out there that might have an issue with it because of the gender factor just as much as the race factor, which brings me to my next question. You will see in an interview. Former presidential candidate Nikki Hlly condemned the personal attacks on Vice President Kamala Harris's race and gender, calling them quote not helpful. So that's a Republican, a former presidential candidate that is calling out the Republican Party saying it ain't helpful at all. Folks going in that direction, do you agree or disagree with that?
You know, that's a complicated calculation. Like the reason I say it's complicated. Here's what I'm ask anybody watching right now. Do you think the conversation that Steve and A are having, And I'd ask you this, Steveney, do you think the conversation that we are having right now is disrespectful to Kamala Harrison?
Because I do not. I think this is a valid and discussion and I are having right now now.
That doesn't mean that everyone who brings up race and gender does it in a way that I think is respectful and important. So there are some that will attack and it will seem like cheap shots, But the problem is the subject itself is.
Not a cheap shot.
It is an important question about the qualification for someone to be the leader of the free world. You're right that Kamala Harris has accumulated titles throughout her career. The question is how has she accumulated those titles? Was it by selection or by election? You know, she didn't even get one percent in a Democratic primary.
She didn't make it to Iowa.
She has fewer votes for national public office than Dean Phillips than Robert F.
Kennedy Junior.
The party that tells you they are all about saving democracy just selected again for Kamala Harris selected her to be their representative, interestingly in the most undemocratic fashion. Now, if you and I explore why, gender, race, or just the elites of the Democratic Party, you know, the donors, the media elites, and the political elites like the Clintons and the Obamas selected Kamala Harris. And I think that's a very very not just legitimate, but important discussion to have, especially when her party is the one flying the banner of we're here to save democracy. You surely act like you have no interest in the actualities of democracy while singing the songs of democracy.
That's I get where you're coming from. But first of all, we live in a binary system. A binary system. You got to two party system, and like I've said on many many occasions, if you're a liberal, if you're a progressive, all right, If you're a leftist, if you're a Democrat, you believe that the Biden presidency has been phenomenal. If you are conservative, if you are a Republican, you think it's been a disaster and you're wondering what the hell is wrong with people. That's the kind of system that we live in, where people want what they want and their definition of success may be different than the other. But what we can agree on, Will, is that when you look at somebody like a Kamala Harris, based on her resume, based on her titles, right, knowing that she you know, as a district attorney or as an attorney general or as a senator, right, you got to take into consideration who you have to work with and how you can't do things alone. Then we look at a president. You look at a president here that had never been an elected office. When he ran in twenty sixteen, he was beating people with one liners. Jared Bush, low energy, little Marco, you know, lord knows what he was saying about Chris Christie and Othersultimately wins the electoral College vote, even though he lost the popular vote. Right because Hillary and James Comy at the last minute a couple of weeks before the election, all of this stuff comes out. Right now, we sit here and you're talking about can you understand how a public can look at you, or a public can look at anybody that thinks And I'm not talking about Will. I'm not comparing you to pundit who go out there and are throwing out snide remarks and insults and stuff that ain't your bag. I know you, that's not your bag. I'm not accusing you of that, but those who do that, can you understand how folks on the left would find that utterly appalling when the person you're speaking up for in the process has been impeached twice, had thirty four felony counts labeled against the found guilty of it, lost the civil suit for about four hundred and fifty four million dollars. I mean, the list goes on. It's hard for people on the left to sit up there and listen to some folks on the right talking what they're talking in an effort to big up an individual like that, while pointing out whatever you can about the vice president. What do you say to that.
So it's interesting and listening to you talk like, I don't know that you were being dismissive, because I think I know you. And what I mean is when you talk about Trump, you say he came from the outside, he mastered the one liner.
You know as much as well as I know you.
Despite all of the success that you've achieved, and you've climbed to the top of the mountain obviously steven A when it comes to sports, and now you're in the process of climbing other mountains. We'll just wait and see when you get that late night television show on ABC. But as you climb these mountains, there's something I know about you. You do feel like an outsider. You do have a chip on your shoulder of not being selected, of not being someone that the machine has taken and wrapped their arm around. And you've had to earn that from the outside. And so when you see something like Donald Trump coming from the outside, I would think, and I'm just guessing here, and you don't even have to respond.
Part of that has to appeal now our response.
It has to appeal to you as someone who came in from the outside and forced themselves to the top of the mountain in politics.
Oh no, no, I'm not denying that, and I'm not denying that there's validity to what you're saying, particularly when you describe me. I've never thought about it, but I can't summarily dismiss that will You might be right. I gotta think about that a little. But what I'm saying is, I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it in a negative kind of way about the former president. I'm simply juxtaposing it to the questions that that side would have about the vice president that's now going to be the Democratic nominee. That's all I'm doing. I'm not sitting there looking at anything else. I'm saying compared the two right now, this is the fight that we have to anticipate. And I just think that you got to come up with a better argument for to write than that base well candidate is to.
Tie this together, I guess.
I just so, on one hand, you've got a candidate that literally forced their way into the national conversation, not just despite the Democratic Party's opposition, not just despite his own parties opposition and publican party did not want Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, probably didn't want him in twenty twenty and might have looked to replace him in twenty twenty four, But he also forced himself despite the deep entrenched administrative state, that is, every arm of the American government that has come against him, versus a candidate who, as we just put out, was literally selected outside the democratic process by the elites and media and billionaires and politics that is Kamala Harris's rise. She was not voted in by the Democratic voter, and I don't think Democratic voters care for some reason that much. They're not upset about this. But she did not win a single Democratic primary, not a single vote, and she was selected.
So I think that doesn't matter.
I know it doesn't matter. Sadly, it doesn't matter. I know that.
But what I was going to say is, you know, you talk about how the left want me or how the right here's the left. It doesn't This also doesn't matter, stephen A. One thing I like about you, and i'd like to think about myself is when people talk from opposite sides, one of the things they try to do is play to the deep seats of their own side. So I could come on and be like get high fives from the right and grow my own audience. And you can try to get high fives from the left and grow your own audience.
But the truth is, when it comes to.
Real persuasion, real ability to win debates, and real ability to win elections, you're talking about the swing individual independent in the middle, and I think that's what you are guiding me towards in this conversation. And I do think that litany of stuff you talked about, right, the lawsuits, the criminal charges, how does that affect the independent person? By the way, I think all of that, by the way, is law fair. I don't think much of it is legit. I'm not saying he's an angel, but I also don't think all of that is legit. But that doesn't matter. What I think is what is the individual independent in the middle thing, And what is that independent individual in the middle think about Kamala Harris's competency.
In the end, it's gonna come down to that.
Most people you've met your life, stephen A, over the last decade, you know this, and you and I can name some people.
It all comes down to this, do you like Donald Trump? Or you just like Donald Trump?
It's as simple as that. They don't think much deeper in it, and it's guttural.
I just don't like them.
I just don't like the man, or I love the man. And in the end, that's kind of the depth of most people's analysis of Donald Trump.
That's fair. That's fair because I look at him. Listen, I listen, before the pandemic, the economy was doing quite well. We can't deny that. We can't take that away from him. But in the same breath, he doesn't hesitate to take credit for things that preceded him or things that followed that. It were done after him. And that's that's that's what politicians do, particularly those who become one. Having said all that, I'll say this to you, Harris is closing in on key demos for the GOP. That the GOP hope to capture the youth vote, with the swifties rising up, white women breaking zoom raising two million in just under two hours, black men and black women raising record dollars via zoom as well, that there's a level of momentum that she has clearly gained. And I think here's the part that you didn't bring up with that I'm kind of surprised by, But it's not a big deal. All of this stuff, the lawfare that you alluded to. Even though she's talking about the prosecutor prosecuting the criminal per se, we ain't talking about him going back to court, particularly after the assassination attempt. We're talking about you got the vice president of the United States, who you pointed out didn't do well in the primaries in twenty twenty, all right, doesn't have that didn't have that much support up until now. She is calling this man out. She wants them, and he's the one that seems reluctant to go ahead to with her and the debate.
How did you exclaim I think it's gonna happen?
Is this the race has just changed for him, and you have to give him a little bit of time, because to your point, it's like she just this week got the majority of the delegates pledged to her that she's gonna be the nominee. Just today she got Barack Obama's endorsement. So she's not been officially his opponent for very long. Well, actually she's not even officially his opponent yet, but it hasn't been obvious that she'd be his opponent and I think it's he's probably making a calculation, how do I do this?
In the end, he'll do what he always does.
He'll go on offense and he will go after her and he'll try to expose her as lacking competency or experience or qualifications or successes.
And he will.
And my suspicion is there will be a debate stephen A, because I think it's his nature he'll go head on. One more thing I wanted to go back to with you on you talked about the demographics Trump's gain with black men. Pretty interesting, right now, don't force yourself into a false debate. It's not does Trump get ninety percent, It's actually that in the past, Democrats got ninety percent of the of the black vote. If a Republican gets thirty percent of black vote, that's election swinging. That's that's that changes the course. Right You don't have to win fifty one percent of the black vote, but if you shift it from ninety to seventy, that's huge. And I am curious like what black men will do if black men were moving to Trump, will they move back away from him? For Kamala And I'm not convinced that will happen.
I know about the money raising thing, I know what you're talking about. I know all that, but I'll be curious.
She may do better than Biden, but it still may be historical for Trump with black men.
Well, you're absolutely right about that, because Wes first, there's no way in hell he's getting a majority of the black vote. That's not gonna happen. But he doesn't need it, as you accurately pointed out, if that percentage shifts even ten percent, she's in trouble, no question, or at least that's what people thought was the case with him and against Biden. Here's the issue, the overturning of Roe v. Wade and how he couldn't keep his mouth shut and stood friends. And I'm the one to provoke this. I'm the one that pushed for this, et cetera, et cetera. When you bring up the border issue, she was no borders are, but they called her the borders are. She was in charge of it. Over ten and a half million immigrants crossed the border illegally. That's on her watch. But yes, there are facts supporting that Trump stopped the bipartisan bill because he wanted it to be something they could campaign on when it came to the border. So it's about debate skills. It's about who's going to have the facts on this side and who's going to be able to articulate and elocute it to that advantage. I gotta admit to you when I saw Trump in that speech, I thought he ruined the Republican National Convention. I thought it was absolutely the rent of perfection until his speech, and I think that he could find himself in.
The world trouble will oh a world of trouble.
By the way the speech, I think the first thirty minutes for perfect first thirty minutes were something that that swingable independent voter would have appreciated. I'll give you to the last hour of it sounded like a Donald Trump rally and isn't gonna appeal to people outside of his already converted base.
Real quick.
You brought up three things. So the borderzar thing, let's not this is a crazy time. This is the propaganda that really gets under my skin. She was in charge, she was the point person. Okay, now you know something in Washington. She didn't want the job, and it was kind of an insult for Joe Biden to give it to her because it was an unwinnable job under their policies.
But like, you know, do you watch VEP.
You should watch VEEP because sometimes like I feel like it's a documentary about Kamala Harris, but.
Like it's a joke.
Zara make them azar right, it's like an insult proposal. Oh you made me the tzar of drugs or the tzar of border. She was the point person and in essence, Biden threw under the bus on that really hard issue, on the bipartisan thing. That argument's not gonna fly. I don't think it's like it's like, hey, man, we need to put an alarm. You and I have you and I our roommates in a house. We need an alarm system because people keep breaking in. And you say to me, well, I'm not putting an alarm system in will until you figure out how to fix the sinks. I'm like, no, man, we don't have to do this all at the same time. We have to fix the border. We got to put an alarm in. Democrats always try to couple it with well, what are we going to do about providing a pathway to citizenship for the existing illegal immigrants? Why don't you do that separately? Can't we all agree that you got to secure the border, so this whole thing Trump stopped it.
I mean, you can. It should be an.
American priority to secure our border. So, I mean, just finally, on abortion, we did. He did appoint the Supreme Court justice that overturned Roe v.
Wade.
But he has made very very clear he's not interested in a national abortion ban, like he's made very clear, and that's a huge shift for Republicans, and Jennie Vance has echoed it. They are not pushing an abortion ban.
Okay, well you brought up jd Vance because I was gonna ask him next. I got just a couple of more questions on this subject matter. First of all, is it true that jd Vance, once once once considered Trump's harshest critic, once called Tim Hitler. Is that true that?
I don't I'm not dodging. I literally have seen what you've seen on that, but I've never seen the direct quote. I know he was a very harsh I don't.
I don't want to, but my researcher just gave me that, and I didn't. I didn't want to say definitively.
Of saying someone said something unless I see it myself, and so I'm.
Not saying And that's exactly why I asked you.
Yeah, And by the way, on JD Vance, I liked that he's changed.
That's exactly what I like that, Steven, And you.
Know me, for a while, I was open back on it's first take we talked about Donald Trump. I did not I was not a supporter, and I've changed my opinion of Donald Trump over time, and I think human beings should.
Be Did you really? Did you? Did you really? Or is it just that you ain't gonna vote liberal? Did you really change it? Is it just that you're not gonna vote liberal? That's all? It only got two choices, fair question.
No, No, I'm i tell you why. Okay, I'm gonna tell you. I wanna be one hundred percent honest. I'm gonna tell you what happened. First of all, I'm gonna be real with you. Sitting with you and Max on that day to day basis on first A was probably the beginning I thought. And I'm not coming after you individually, and I said it to Max on air, I do not like the way you keep vilifying supporters of Donald Trump. I don't like the way you turn everything into not just an attack on Trump, but the people that support I.
Never I never did that.
I know, I don't.
Yeah, I never did that. I never told I never I never get it to supporters of it. I never did that. You did that was that was an argument between you and Max.
I didn't like the reaction to Donald Trump at the time, and I had.
To be careful, like, don't react to the reaction will And then I started to see a lot of the stuff they said about Trump. This wasn't true, like the very fine people think Steven A.
It's just not true. He never called Nazis very fine people. He just didn't do it.
All you have to do is play that clip sixty seconds longer and you hear him say I'm not talking about white supremacists. So all that started to break down. And then I saw the effect of the policies second Steve, and I'm like, go him pretty good. And I liked the way he changed Republicanism. I liked that he focused more on middle class, that he focused on blue collar workers, that he focused on the forgotten middle American.
I liked that.
And then finally third, I'm not saying I know him, but I have been around him on several occasions, and here's the truth, if you just want to know the truth, he's really, really likable.
He's a likable guy.
And between those three things, I had moved from someone who said, when I sat with you at a desk in twenty sixteen, Donald Trump's all about himself to where I sit for you today, and I support him as a unique and individual candidate, not just as a reaction to the left.
Well, let me say this before I move on. I consider him the ultimate narcissist. But I've never I've never cast a gated Trump supporters. I don't buy into that game. You're an American citizen. You got the right to vote for whoever you want to. And I can't stand the second different you think differently than somebody wants you to think. All of a sudden, your everything negative outside but the child of God for crying now. It's ridiculous, And I don't subscribe to that. That's number one. Number two. I don't support I don't support Donald Trump because I think that he's outside of the narcissism. I think he would be on a vengeance tour and I don't think he would be about governing. I think he would be about having power and complete dominion, and I think he would be pretty close to a damn autocracy. That's what I feel. That's what I feel. Having said that, one of the biggest reasons I wanted you on Today, Will is because over the last week or so, I've had Democrats on the show, and I'm not about that. You know me, I listen to all sides, and I wanted conservatives and Republicans out there to know, just like if I'm gonna have liberals on this show, I'm gonna have conservatives on this show, and I'm gonna treat him with the same respect that I'm gonna ask the same kind of questions, and I'm gonna play Devil's advocate as best as I possibly can, because fairness is a very, very big thing to me. That's what I feel. He scares me, Will, He scares me, and I know that we should say, hey, you could you could look at some of the things happening outside. I'm not down with woe culture. I think it's going I'm not about the fringes. I don't like extremes on the right or the left. I'm a centrist that's me who's gonna come closer to the center. That's really what it comes down to for me. And I don't trust him, Will, I don't trust.
Okay, let me just we're having a conversation here, and I'm just having a conversation with my old friend. I'm not worried about the time of your show and all that, so meaning how much our time pressure is. So first of all, I know this about you. I know you want to have conversations with people of different stripes, so do I. You know that about me, And that's what I try to do on the Will Kine Show as well.
It makes it's not only more enlightening, it's more interesting.
You're doing good fun.
Thank you, Thank you, Bud.
Second, okay, steven A two things, You're a You're a centrist under Donald Trump, I would argue, despite people saying, oh, far right, all right, what's further right for real? Like name the thing, like, okay, there's more trade protectionism, specifically against China that used to be on the left.
That was a left thing. I mean, a greater embrace of free speech.
The left's taken up censorship that like in the nineties when you and I were like growing up in the nineties, it's like, oh, free speech, that was a lefty thing, and the right through is you worry about rap lyrics.
Like I just kind of go through all the policies.
I'm like, he's even even on LGBTQ issues, gay marriage.
He supported gay marriage before Barack Obama.
It's like he pivoted the Republican Party closer to the center than George W.
Bush.
And then lastly on this you'r afraid, you said, I'm afraid, you know, I think he would come on man like the authoritarian thing I think is one of the biggest fear tactics being employed today that we have to save democracy Donald Trump, I have I mean, I have to think you're under any threat that he's gonna decline to leave office he's gonna around after four years, that he won't that he wants to be an authoritarian, a dictator on day one. Because the people that are telling me that want to reform slash pack, overturn the Supreme Court, want a censored speech on the internet, want to select their candidate, not elect their candidate in commerce. The manner of sins that left is committing under the banner of saving democracy at this point is just it's like it's the most obvious piece of propaganda that I've seen in years, and it's only designed to make you exactly what you said, you are afraid.
Okay, Okay, listen, that's a fair point of your part. I mean, I don't totally agree with it, but I can't sit up there and look at you and say that's an argument out of the sky. Absolutely right, because a lot of times, a lot of us don't know every issue looking cranny because we're not covering it the way that you do. So you got sound bites. So you might read articles and you read something in the Wall Street Journal, you read something in the New York Times, and you read something than in the Washington Post, and you read something in La Times. You go to Political Political, you go to the Drudge Report. It's different sides. Everybody is coming at you with a different angle, and you're wondering about what the truth is. So I get where you're coming from, and you're more connected than most. I'll defer to you on that for the moment, but we're gonna revisit this conversation. I'm not gonna take up too much more of your time. Because you on vacation in Hawaii making time for your boy, and I really appreciate it. But you know, there's no way in hell I'm gonna let you off the hook, will Kine and let you get out of here without switching to sports for a second and talking to you about your Dallas Cowboys. Now they ain't do a damn thing this offseason. Then get Derek Henry, let him get away to Baltimore, Okay, then from Tennessee instead of grabbing him. You gotta sign Michael Parsons, You gotta sign Ceed Lamb, you gotta sign Dak Prescott. I mean, it's gonna happen again. Will y'all are gonna fall again, your Dallas Cowboys. How are you looking forward to this fall knowing that the inevitable will soon arrived? That black cat is running around that franchise?
It is the there is the line, the black cat run around your franchise.
You know, I you know my thing is I tell you the truth.
I have never felt less enthusiastic about a Cowboys season in years, and especially when they're not bad. They're pretty good. But you want to want one of the reasons of why I'm not enthusiastic. I don't think Jerry has to worry about this because the Cowboys are America's team and they're a national franchise. But we are spoiled in Dallas, stephen A. I've got a World Series Championship that I'm resting on. I've got an NBA Finals appearance. I saw you in Dallas for the one lone victory of the Dallas Mavericks, though in the finals. Now signing Klay Thompson and with I think the best player in the NBA and Luka Doncic. I have my Texas long Runes making the call football semi finals, and I have the Dallas Stars making the Final four in hockey. Literally, I'm on a heater in Dallas and the Dallas Cowboys lack of enthusiasm is because, hey, everybody else has giving me what I need.
Where are you Cowboys? Where are you? Jerry Jones? And you're right, they did nothing this offseason. Ceedee Lamb's not in training camp.
I'm not as worried about Derrick Henry because I am in the camp of don't pay running backs big money. Uh So we'll see about Rico Dowdell and running back by committee.
But I am worried. Man.
They're not gonna be bad. They're gonna be you know, they're gonna be a playoff team.
But the question is always love this game.
I love it this way. They're gonna be just good enough to tease fans in the thinking they're gonna be relevant and they go plumb it.
But I still believe.
I I always he You know that I can't quit Dak. I try, I try to quit him, but I keep coming back. You know, I think he's a top ten quarterback in the NFL. I know he's a top ten quarterback in the NFL, and I just think at some point that level of quarterback has got to break through when you're sitting on this many shots, you know, first round, second round, sooner later you break through. Right, sooner or later this comes up aces for Dak. I have to think that's true.
Stephen Eck, listen, man, before I let you get on out of here, this is my very last question. I'll be remiss and neglecting to bring this up. You left ESPN, You're at Fox. You're on Fox and Friends on the weekends. You know your guest host at times on other shows, you've got your own podcast. You're doing some big things.
Man.
I'm real proud of you, man, and I know you know how you know shaky it was for you in terms of you trying to decide which direction you wanted to go in and what you wanted to do. How do you feel about your career right now? Where you are and it kind of strides you appear to be taken in your career. How are you feeling about yourself right now?
Are you asking me if I regret leaving you in ESPN? Like, how am I feeling having made the decisions?
Yeah, of course that would be yes. What else? Go ahead?
Man, Well, I'm gonna tell you something. You know what my favorite thing about First Take is right now, how much fun you're having.
You need to have fun?
You you you fun is fun, and sometimes back in the day it was. You know, I loved I loved what I did on First Take with you, because truth is, we did have fun. We were fun on the Cowboys debates. We had we could poke it together, but we also had depth and I think we were having some conversations back on the First Take. On First Take back in the day that just didn't happen in America. And aren't happening today America, not in that way.
And I miss that. I do miss that.
And to your point, that's what you're doing on the Steve Nasmith Show, and that's what I want to do on the Will Kine Show. We don't have enough in that in America now of people of disagreement coming together and and and you know, you and I man, we would go at it, and the minute was we'd reach our fists across the table.
You know, we just would it.
That's because we were, in my mind, because we were men. And then then we'd have fun. But I'm real happy to be where I am. I love Fox, and I do miss talking more sports. I want to talk more sports. But I also understood how important this moment was in history, starting in twenty twenty, all the way through where we are today, and I wanted to take that on a little more on the nose, a little more directly. And I would venture to say, I bet you feel the same way. And that's what you're doing with the Steven A.
Smith Show.
You know, you get the.
Opportunity to participate in this because if you think about what's happened in the past month, I mean quite honestly, we're locked. It's like every week, maybe every half a week, it's been like a history making event in news, you know, an assassination attempt, pushing out Joe Biden, selecting Kamala Harris.
The debate over and over. It's like, I've got to be in that.
I need to be in that. And I'd like to think that you and I are two unique individuals in providing a conversation around that. It is just all too wanting in America. And so I'm happy with the choice seving. I miss you, I miss sports. I'm happy with where I am and where I am in the conversation in America.
I feel y'all feel the same way.
Man.
It's like it's conversations that have that have to happen. People have to be honest about where they're coming from, what they feel and why. But they also have to be willing to accept that there are folks who have a different opinion and you know that they're not the devil just because they have that different opinion. And I think that that's that's where our society has really disintegrated to some degree. That's that's what I'm really really concerned about. It's it's your way or no way, and that's where and that's just to me, that's not what America is all about. That's just not how it goes. And so I hope that Kamala Harris wins. You hope that Donald Trump wins. But the point is is that no matter who wins, America, we've got intestinal fortitude, we got resolved. We're supposed to be able to go on no matter what, and sometimes we act like that's not the case. And that's what worries me. But that's all I got to say about that. Will go back and enjoy your vacation. Man, I appreciate it. I'll see you when you get back from Hawaii, my man. We'll connect.
Thanks.
You take it easier, right, Thanks a lot, Thank you? All right, my man. The one and only Will Kine from Fox News, Fox and Friends on the weekends. He's doing some big things and continuing to grow and grow in this business. And we don't agree on much, as y'all could tell, we really really don't. But he's always been a smart brother lawyer of our profession, I mean really smart as a whip and doing a damn good job on Fox News and He's been a friend of mine for years because of our years working at ESPN together and what have you. He's honest about where he stands. He doesn't have a phony bone in his body. He's gonna let you know how he feel, it feels and why, And that's all I ask you know, that's how you feel, that's why, and you're respectful about it. But this is where you're coming from. Cool, you know that's what it is. Try to convince you otherwise. If I'm unsuccessful and successful, that's what it is. But I wish him nothing but the best. And uh, I think he's got a bright future at Fox. Be honest with you, I really really do. Anyway, Coming up, the latest edition of the Dream Team tips off in Paris on Sunday against Nikola jokicch in Serbia. Will this be a problem for the Red, White, and Blue? That Skip Bayless, Charles Barkley. All of that's coming up later on in the show, but not before my man Brian Wenttor shows up to tell us what's going on with Team USA. Stick around. You're listening to the Steven A. Smith Show over the iHeartRadio airwaves and of course watching it over the digital airways or YouTube back with more in a minute. It's no secret that I live and breathe sports, and then I need to be a part of all the actions. But how do I do that exactly? It's easy. I use prose Picks, America's number one fantasy sports app, to help turn my sports knowledge into some big time money. In case you haven't heard, prize Picks is a daily fantasy app where you choose two, three, or even up to six of your favorite players and then simply pick more or less on their projected in game stats. It honestly takes less time than it does for Angel Reese to pull down a big rebound and then put it back in for the game winning bucket. So download the Prospects app today and join the community of more than three million members, and if you do, Prospects will match your first time depositive up to one hundred dollars. Just go to prospects dot com right now and use code essays my initials of course, in case you didn't figure that out, and use promo code says on Prospects to receive a first deposit match of up to one hundred dollars, and then let the games begin. Prize pecks, pick more, pick less. It's really that easy. Welcome back to Stephen the Smiths. You're right here over the digital airways of YouTube, and of course iHeartRadio. I know you heard me starting off the show talking the little politics, because how could we avoid Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris calling them out. Donald Trump looking like he running for cover for grind out loud. That's right, I said it. He looked like you're running for cover. But we'll get into that another time, another day, because we've already gotten into that enough. I got a transition to the world of sports and basketball because the Olympics are on the way in Paris. That would be Paris, France, of course, and Team USA, because I'm a basketball level is my focal point. Sure, I'm looking forward to track and field. Sure I'm looking forward to some swimmings. For sure, I'm looking forward to those things. But damn it, you understand I love me some basketball. Okay, track and field. I just want to focus on that as well, because I love that. But let me say this about some basketball Team USA better win the bill win. I don't want to hear about on France, even if they do have Victor win Beyonna and Rudy go Bed. I don't want to hear about Serbia, even if they do have look on the Jokich. I don't want to hear about Canada, even if they do have My league MVP Shay Gilges Alexander and that brother Jamal Murray who's no joke and a former Nick and RJ. Barrett and the Hall of Fame pest that is is Dylan Brooks. I don't care about all of that. It's Team USA. It's Lebron James, the flag bearrow. Okay, that Lebron James thirty nine looking like twenty nine, busting everybody you know living. What about Steph Curry. It's about Devin Booker. It's about Drew Holliday Lee that screen up. I want everybody to see this about tyree'se Halliburry. It's about Anthony Edwards. It's about Jason Tatum, the champion that is Jason Timmis. It's about Kevin Durant, Katie Trey, who hasn't played in exhibitions, who's expected back at some point, who's one of the greatest Olympians ever. It's about that dude, Anthony Davis. It's about Derek White, It's about Joe L.
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The one who says he's being a goat conversation word it not for injuries and of course being out of biyo TM. USA got a crew. They don't have a team. I get all of that because they ain't a custom to playing together. But they got a crew. They're so talented it should be able to make up for the lack of cohesiveness and chemistry. I don't want to hear it. You gotta handle your business. You gotta handle your business. The question is how difficult will that be to pull off? And believe it or not, it's not a question for me to answer because while I know my NBA basketball, damnit, I don't know everybody on Serbia. I don't know everybody on France. I don't know everybody on Australia and Germany and Canada. But I know everybody on Team USA. I know the person who does know all of those teams and all of the names on the team and the kind of attributes that they bring to the table. He is my colleague doing my daytime job at ESPN. He is an insider NBA inside the extraordinay. He travels all over the world with Team USA, has been doing it for the last couple of years or so. I remember when when Banna was gonna be drafted number one overall. There was one man. There was one man at the Worldwide Leader Center Paties. And it is my next guest, NBA insider and analysts and senior right roughed in there for ESPN, the one and only Brian wind Tors, my colleague for my day job. What's up, buddy? How you doing?
Hey, steven A, You're missed over here in Paris. This is your kind of scene, man.
That's what I'm sorry, I'm saying. I'm looking at the background, the Eiffel towert hoping. I'm like this, Wendy. I mean, he moved on up in this world. I haven't been there. I've never been there, but I mean I'll give it. I'll give it credit where credit is due. It is well deserved. Let's get right into it because I know you're pressed for time with the opening ceremonies or what have you. Brian Windrs, I got Canada as the number one threat to knocking off Team USA. I got Canada. I'm looking at you know my league MVPA gil just Alexander. They got Jamorrow Murray, they got all j Barrett. They not Alexander Walker, Kelly Olennox, nev Hard and Indiana. I'm looking at this team and I'm saying, hey, they got a chance. When you think about Team USA and the number one threat to them, who do you see?
So, Yeah, that's a good pick, stephen A. Because they've got ten current NBA players on their roster. There's no there's no team in history other than the Americans that past Olympics, that have ever had that many NBA players. So and actually all twelve of their guys have played in the NBA. And you look at them, they're the only team that can compare to the US with their wing play. You know, there's just out in Europe, out in other places in the world. They have big men, they have guards. They don't typically have NBA level wings. And that's why the Canadians have a good have a good chance. I I think when the US plays against Canada, they're a little bit more comfortable. They know their players. The teams play similar styles. They don't have to get out of their comfort zone. They're not going to play a FEBUS style game. They're gonna play an NBA style game. So I would think that Canada has the best chance to beat the US head to head playing a regular game. But I actually think the team to keep an eye on is Serbia. Serbia has a couple things going for him. Number One, they got Nikola Jokic. Jokich's the best player in the world, best big man in the world arguably whatever.
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Secondly, they have NBA level guards. They're not star guards, but they have bogged down Bogdanovich and Vasili Mesich. They play in the NBA. Some of these teams have great big men and they just don't have good guards. Like that's France's problem. France has Victor Wembinya Marudy Gobert. Their guard play just in that good and this is the most important thing. They're gonna get potentially three shots at him. They played in in Abu Dhabi last week. The US blew them out, But I I think there was some roped up going on in that game by Serbia. I can't tell exactly what happened. There was something wired about the way Serbia they sat two of their guys, They sat their second best big man and they sat bogged down Bogdanovich and then I'm not sure that they played the game necessarily full power. Even though Jokic played three quarters. There was something, Steve, There's something about the game that it seemed weird to me. They are sixteen point underdogs. There's fifteen or sixteen point underdogs in the US on Sunday. I just don't believe that number. I don't think that they are a fifteen or sixteen point difference in their team. But they don't have to win the game in Abu but Abu Dhabi. They don't have to win the game on Sunday. They got to win the potential third meeting, which is potentially in the medal round for the medal. It's hard to be a team in any league at any time three times. So I think Serbia has they're a serious threat. Yet Nikola Moltinov there, that third guy there, he's a number one draft pick. He never came over to the NBA. He was drafted by the Spurs about seven eight years ago, so he's an NBA level player. He just stayed overseas. Serbia is a is a team that is a dangerous team. Certainly you're right, though about Canada.
What about France, Because I'm thinking about Win Beyon and Rudy gob I'm thinking about a front line where you can, right, you can rule out those alley oops. You ain't gonna be throwing alli oops against Wimbyan their Rooty go Bia. I don't see that happening. And I think it's going to require Team USA to shoot better from the perimeter because of the size France has on its front line, and shooting potentially or at least sporadically, is a problem for Team USA. What about that notion.
Against Franka, that's a that's a fair point. So tm USA has only shot thirty five percent on threes in their warm up games. And remember the line is closer. It's a foot closer in the corners, it's three feet closer at the top of the key. So you'd think their percentages would go up, not down. Also, Team USA likes they've been playing lineups without a lot of shooting in it. For example, they've been playing Anthony Davis and bam Adebayo together because they're so good defensively, and that hurts that they don't have that's those aren't That's not a good shooting lineup. Here's the thing about France three years ago and the French ahead of the US. I think seven or eight points is the gold medal game. The US had to make a comeback to win that. I would have said that France would have been and the favorite other than the US here in Paris. Obviously it's a home game for them, stephen A. They not played well over the last year. Last year at the World Cup, they did not qualify for the metal play. They got knocked out in the group stage.
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Benyama didn't play, but still it was not a good sign. They lost four times. They played five exhibition games before they came here to Paris, they lost four of them. So look, they're playing at home. You're right, they've got that great size. Maybe that ends up being a real problem for their opponents. But they do not come in here on a good momentum. To be honest with you, let me go.
On to another subject, because I want to know, as you've watched Team USA, what's been the issue with them. Steve Kerr just turned on a different switch and seemed a bit different once he arrived in Paris than he was leading up to the games. Going through the exhibition games that he went through in Abu Dhabi, in London and Las Vegas and all of that stuff. What's going on. What's his primary concern with Team USA.
Yeah, so I think he doesn't think that they're playing fast enough. Quite frankly, we as a nation, we have no chemistry. And that doesn't mean the players don't like each other. That means that they just haven't played together very long. So when they run half court offense, it's just not very good at Edwards tends to play isolation basketball. Like I said, we don't always have the best shooting teams out there. Players don't have good feel for how to run two man games. I know that some of these guys have played together before, but you just can't throw dudes together in the middle of everything expected to all just work out fine. So what Steve Kerr wants them to do is he wants them to play fast so that there's less half court offense and more transition offense. That should be easy to do because they're only playing four and five minutes first, you don't have to worry about tiring yourself out. He's putting five subs in at a time, and those five subs are all stars, and what's happened? These teams are trying to slow the US down because they do better in the half court defending the US, and it was it's been working against them. And so Steve Kerr, I think, reviewed the film and said, listen, I got to try to inspire these guys. And one of the big tests to me stephen A is going to be on Sunday, after Steve Kurr has really called them out publicly for the last couple of days. How they react to Steve Kerr trying to press them, and and and and and you know the way their mindset is coming out against Serbia.
I expected more from Steph Curry from the standpoint that he's the greatest shoot God ever created. I know what he brings to the table. He's still a superstar in this game. And on top of it all, he's being coached by his coach, and you know, I'm wondering, what is it. Don't get me wrong, He's not I'm trying to I'm not trying to imply he's played bad, but I certainly expected him to be up there as opposed to Lebron James being the clear face looking like the best player on the team. We know how how important shooting is in Olympic competition, and what is the what's the issue with Steph Curry.
He's just not shot the ball well. He's had a couple of games where he's been one of seven on threes. He did have one great shooting game, which was against Serbia where he scored eighteen points in the in the first eleven minutes who was on the court. If it was a regular NBA game, he'd gone for forty five or fifty, no doubt. But he just hasn't shot it well. I mean, they he's generated open looks, he just hasn't hit him. So obviously he can catch fire. He has talked about the muscle memory being a little bit different shooting the ball from twenty twenty two feet twenty and twenty two feet as opposed to twenty two and twenty four feet as the as the three point line is in the NBA. But in all honesty, with his skill level as a shooter and the fact that he's been shooting this way for a month or so, that shouldn't be an issue. So he plays with Lebron. They run two man action that is extremely hard to guard. There is no reason why they won't generate open shots for him. He's just not getting it done. I would say their whole team. You know, actually, stephen A, the team USA is best three point shooter so far has been Lebron in terms of percentage. That's shocking because we know he's not a good He's fine, but he's not a good three point shooter, even though he had a very good year this last year. Lebron can't be your number one three point shooter in the percentage. You you've got Steff out there, You've got Devin Booker out there. You're gonna get Kevin Durant back. All that stuff's got to be in play.
Does that highlight how desperately they need Kevin Durant in order to come home with the gold.
I definitely think that they need him. I think that there's this concept that this team is so deep and you know everything that they don't that they can survive without him. They can survive against Puerto Rico without him, they can survive pool play without him. At the highest level of what's going to be demanded from them from these from these top teams, they need Durant. Durant is arguably the greatest Olympian in Tmusa history. He's a leading scorer. He averages almost twenty points a game in the Olympic Games, which is hard. Twenty points game in an Olympic game is kind of like twenty five twenty seven points a game in an NBA game because they're shorter. He's extremely valuable because he can score from all three levels and he's just so hard to guard. He's so big. So yes, they absolutely need Durant, and Durant is really focused on trying to get back. He's been working really hard. They're just trying to protect him in that calf injury. I do think he's going to be back, probably for Serbia if there's no setbacks. But even if he's back and in rhythm for the for the Metal round, which is which is not for another week and a half, that would would really be helpful.
Just a couple of questions before I let you get on out of here, because I know you got to go, and thank you so much for talking to me live from Paris. That one and only Brian went towards here. I got to ask you this, looking at this ross to see in a competition knowing what you know about Olympic competition, covering it extraordinarily well. The way that you have the Team USA make a mistake by not adding Jalen Brown to this team.
I don't think so, and let me explain why. Obviously, Jalen Brown is a better play than Derek White. But when you look at the opponents in this Olympics, the best teams have strong big men and strong guards. There isn't necessarily strong wings. So if they were going to have a thirteen player team, even before Kawhi went out, they were going to need another guy who could be really good on guarding the other team's guards. Like one of the reasons why they won the gold medal in Tokyo the last time around was because Drew Holliday was able to control Paddy Mills. Patty Mills was destroying the Olympics, and Drew Holliday shut him down. And so in the Olympics, not in the NBA, not in a vacuum, Jalen, you know, Jalen Brown isn't necessarily as valuable as Derek White. I would argue that Drew Holliday was the second most important player for Team USA in Tokyo after Durant and going into this team, I think Jew Holidays among the three or four most important players, and they didn't really have a backup for him, and so when a spot came open, their biggest need was a backup for Drew Holliday. It wasn't necessarily the best wing player available. And that's a nuanced answer. I'm telling you that's the way they looked at it. Anybody can say that that Jalen Brown is a better player, and I don't think Derek White would disagree with that. But for the Olympics, for this team, it made sense for them to go with Derek White. They could end up taking a loss and getting burned by a wing player and they could have egg on their face. It's not an easy decision, but I do understand why they went this way.
Is there a player in the NBA that is not on this team that you believe should have been on this team.
That's a really good question. I mean, if Jalen Brown had been on this roster, that would have been totally acceptable. I think Kyrie Irving would be the other guy. Kyrie's level of play, he has a history with Team USA. I think Kyrie, you know, would have had a very strong case as well.
The star of this team for these Olympics will be who.
I think there's a chance that it could be Ant Edwards, because I just think he's going to be a really scoring machine. But I'm not sure that they're going to trust him at the end of close games just because he doesn't have the reps. And I think they're probably gonna put the ball on Lebron and Steph and Steph's hands when it really matters, and a band up in a close game and they win, it's probably gonna because of Lebron and Steph. So I think Ann Edwards is the guy that I think could be like the breakout player of this Olympic team. But I think if you're if it's going to require a hero, I think it's gonna be Lebron or Steph.
Last question for you, if Team USA somehow, some way manages to fail bringing home the gold, because we all believe they're going to, they're the favorites. If they managed to not pull this off, what are we going to say about him? What are we going to say about Team USA? What are we going to say about the NBA players who represented them?
I think TMOSA is so talented that they may just win it on talent, because that's what they've been doing for the last twenty years. But we don't have a team. We have a collection of players, and I do think there could be a time when we have to pick a team. And what I mean by that is a team that plays together for three summers leading into the Olympics. That's what these other teams do. For most of these teams, this is their third consecutive summer playing together. And it may not be the best players, but we may need to pick twelve guys who are going to commit to three straight summers, who can create a continuity. But that said, they've won the last four goals, they win three games in the knockout round, it'll be five in a row. And if it ain't broke, you don't have to fix it. But where I think TEAMSA is vulnerable is that their talent edge is diminished and it puts more of an emphasis on the need for team continuity, and we don't have it. And so I suspect that at some point when we lose the gold medal, whether it's this year, whether it's in twenty twenty eight, in LA or whether it's in twenty thirty two, but it's going to happen at some point when we lose the gold medal, the pivot will be to get a three year commitment and put together a true national team, not necessarily a all Hall of Fame or All Star team.
I promise you this is the very last question. You've been covering Lebron James since junior high school. He's achieved everything you could possibly achieve. Four time League MVP, four time champion, you know, all time leading scorer, all of this other stuff. Now a man is the flag burer a team USA, you know, for the men's he's gonna be carrying an American flag. What does that mean? The Lebron James that you know and what he's endured throughout his life, what does it mean to him? And what does it mean to you to have seen him achieved this moment?
You know, I just the other night in London, he puts on this show. Is the biggest crowd ever to watch a basketball game in England history. And he's thirty nine years old and he puts on a show and lights up the entire building and sends everybody home with the memory his teammates are looking at each other on the bench just in awe because this is what they watched in some cases growing up. And so for him to be at age thirty nine doing this, still achieving things. You know, he played his first Olympics in two thousand and four. He's one of the oldest. You know, this flotilla is about to come down the river here behind me. He's one of the oldest people in this entire flotilla of all these thousands of athletes, he's one of the oldest ones. And he's still one of the best, and he's still you know, wowing people, and he's still you know, making history like this is this is unheard of. And this is why I always say Lebron's claim to greatness is the longevity, because I believe no one has been so good for this long. And for some people they reject that argument and there's no talking them out of it. But Lebron's claim is longevity. It's shown in the NBA, and it is showing on the Olympic stage, where he may win medals twenty years apart. Go find the history of athletes in America or anywhere who've won medals twenty years apart, especially in a sport like basketball, or it's not an individual sport where it's a team sport. It's just it's on the edge of being unheard of. And so he's not the one thing I say. There's not a ceremonial role he's got here.
He's got a big role in these stead I'll close this discussion with you by saying this, I've never budged from Michael Jordan being the best ever. But that's because I go from Michael Jordan as his best Lebron James at his best. Comparing the two like that, if the category of longevity comes into play, I would stand down and easily hand that to Lebron James without.
And anybody who who says their bar for the greatest ever is the highest peak, I think Jordan has it without without you know, without doubt when it comes to the breadth of it, you know, I mean, is you know, do you prefer the entire Rocky Mountain Range or Mount Everest? You know, I mean, that's that's a little bit of of an awkward comparison, but like you know, they don't have the tallest mountains in Colorado. But go tell me the views aren't unbelievable and and unique. So that's kind of what he's doing, and and he keeps adding on to it every year. Amazingly.
Proud of you, well man, keep up the great work. By the way, when can we hear when can we see you on a hoop collective? When can we see that?
Yeah, it's coming out. We have two a week right now. I think we're putting out on Tuesdays and Fridays, and we'll be doing it. We're doing a lot from here in UH, from here in UH in Paris, and things are. You know, it's been a quite a journey with this team. Been on three continents covering this team so far. It's it's amazing to be out there covering you know, Lebron and Steph and Durant and indeed and you know, Jason Tatum and all these guys like, you know, even the coaching staff. You got Spolstra and tylu and Steve Kerr, Like I'm gonna watch all these guys go in the Hall of Fame. And so it's an incredible experience. This is you know, in the Olympics in Paris.
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It's it's a pretty special uh moment and I think everybody understands that. And that's what Steve Hurr is trying to get introduce Steph and I is to understand the moment, and I certainly do. I certainly understand how big this moment is. We're about to start a spill special time.
I'll be watching, man, and I will definitely be watching you. Proud of you. Keep up the great work. Man. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule in Paris of all places, for the Olympics. Man, thank you so much. When do you take care of yourself? We'll talk so you do today. You heard him one and only Brian went those right here. I can't dispute it if you're talking longevity, and I'm glad he brought that up because Mount Everest compared to that long Rocky Mountain road. No, no, I'm not the Mount Rocky Mountain Road. I'm about Mount Everett's and to me for Mount Everest, when you look at Michael Jordan and Lebron James, I'm going with Michael Jordan all day, every day. But if you talk about longevity, there's no question that Lebron James, he's first. He's first, nobody is done. We haven't seen this. We haven't seen this. Okay, this is something special to behold and I'm not gonna take that away from him. Happy that he's gonna be the flag bearer, Happy that he's representing Team USA. Don't think he should be the best player on Team USA, but he's playing ball. He's balling out. Let's see what he does. Is the Olympic Games get set to begin, and whether or not Steph Curry and the rest of the coreop gonna step up and join them. Anyway, thanks again to the one and only Brian Wentdors right here on the stephen A. Smien Show over the digital airways of YouTube, and of course iHeartRadio. Up next, got to talk about Charles Barkley and his statement against the National Basketball Association. Damn got a touch on that, and of course Skip Bayless he's making news again. He had something to say and I'll comment on that as well. So stick around. There's a lot to get into. I'm not finishing. It's the stephen A. Smith Show on YouTube and of course I Heart Radio back with more, and.
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Welcome back to the Steven A. Smiths Show right here over the digital airwaves of YouTube. I wanted to share the statement a statement from my buddy Charles Barkley his reaction to the likelihood TNT will lose the NBA after this upcoming NBA season. The NBA's TV deals with ESPN and ABC, NBC and Amazon likely mean the end of the iconic Inside the NBA show. And this is how Charles Barkley is feeling about that quote. Clearly, the NBA has wanted to break up up with us from the beginning. I'm not sure TNT ever had a chance, Barkley said, TNT matched the money, but the league knows Amazon and these tech companies are the only ones willing to pay for the rights when they double in the future. The NBA didn't want to piss them off. It's a sad day when owners and commissioners choose money over the fans. It just sucks. I just want to thank everyone who has been at Turner for the last twenty four years. Barkley said, they are the best people in the most talented, and they deserve better. I also want to thank the NBA and its fans, the best fans in sports. We're gonna give you everything we have next season. End quote Charles Barkley and the inside the NBA team. Those are my brothers, those are my friends. I love them dearly and I wish them nothing but the best. But to quote Charles Barkley, he wasn't really concerned about himself, Shad Kenny Ernie. It's the people that work behind the scenes wondering with their lives are going to be like once the NBA is no longer a part of the T and T family, people that he's worked with for twenty four years, that he's come to know and love dearly. They've had children, they've gotten married, and all of these different kind of things have transpired, and his sensitivity is towards them, which is incredibly admirable. And if you know anything about Charles Barkley, he's got a heart of gold. He's got one of the biggest hearts you could ever imagine. What a beautiful, beautiful brother he is. But that don't make him correct. And in this instance, based on that quote that he put out, that statement that he put out, it's not telling the whole story. The fact of the matter is you can't sit up there and say that the NBA didn't want this from the beginning. I told y'all a few days ago. My sources told me that Adam Silver and the NBA talked to the leadership at T and T in Warner Brothers Discovery led by missus Aslov and they knew what the situation was and what they needed to do in order to keep their NBA rights. And there was a lot of hemmin and harn going on. I can't get too specific because I don't know all the details and I don't want to be responsible here, but it wasn't some situation where they got back doored. It was clearly obvious what was transpiring. We saw Amazon get into the NFL game. We know they want to get into the NBA game. They want to build this sports cachet. Their market cap numbers at about three trillion, when Warner Brothers Discovery along with Disney along with Fox is at about four hundred billion. This is business, and so you know that you saw the handwriting on the wall, but you had an opportunity to match, and evidently it wasn't a priority. How do we notice because Charles Barkley called out the hanchos at TNT. He talked about their unwillingness to prioritize accordingly.
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He spoke adamantly against TNT leadership, if notine TNT leadership, Warner Brothers Discovery, Charles Barkley did that. He was the one that told the world folks were dropping the ball. He was the one that told the world folks weren't on their game when it came to doing everything they could to keep the rights over at TNT. That was Charles Barkley who said that now it's the NBA's fault. The NBA is a business. The players are about their business. They're about getting paid. Coaches are about getting paid. Steve Kerr getting seventeen million a year, Popovi is getting seventeen million a year. Eric spos is over fifteen million a year. Tyloo's over fourteen million a year. Monty Williams is over over thirteen million a year for he got to let go by the Detroit Pistons. I mean, when we're talking about here, there's money everywhere, and people who are participating and contributing to the coffers of the sport are gonna look to get paid. Of course, the owner's gonna be first in line. They're the ones cutting the checks. And billionaires lived by different codes. We get all of that, but so do the leagues. You think the NFL are giving people bargains. They're looking to profit as much as they possibly can with all the money that they're making. I remember years ago with Colin Kaepernick and and everybody. The owners were complaining, Oh my god, what's gonna happen. You know what, he is a distraction to the sport. He's gotta go. It was the same year each owner pocketed two hundred and forty six million dollars a pace just to put in their pocket from the TV rights deal, and they were worried about Colin Kaepernick cost the number dollar. This is who they are. Fair enough, but the league is a cash cap, the NFL and now here we are talking about the NBA. You think they just want to sit odi by and watch the NFL make all the money. An eleven year, seventy six billion dollar deal pays players, plays, coaches, play, pays all the personnel that works under the NBA umbrella. Pays people who work for those networks airing the NBA product. That is ABC in ESPN, which is Walt Disney, it is NBC, which is also pa Cock, It's Amazon, here they come. Everybody been talking about linear television is dying, right, even though I would make the difference TV maybe, but not linear content over the digital airways. But that's a different story for another day. The fact of the matter is, in the end, everybody looking to get paid. Everybody's trying to get paid. And those people at TNT are incredibly talented, incredibly talented. And if you are AM, if you are ESPN, ABC, if you are NBC and what have you, look at them. There's a lot of talent to pluck from that from that tree. They know what they're doing over there, fair enough. But the gloom and doom and all of this other stuff. And because of money, Charles Balker, you're getting paid, my brother, well so a shack. So it's Ernie and Kenny not in anybody's pocket and certainly not questioning that you deserve it, y'all of my boys, I love you, you know that, and you deserve it. But none of us are doing this for free. Hell, I own and operate this YouTube channel. Ain't doing it for free on our heart radio. It ain't for free. I work on ESBN first taking an NBA countdown, it ain't for free. Everybody trying to get paid. I can't fault the leagues for doing the same as so point in time, we got to grow up and start and throw emotions to the wayside. Everybody in their grandmama knew what this was coming down the road. If you David Aslov and those brothers, you gotta do everything that you can do and gratiate yourself with the NBA and Adam Silver to do everything that you can to keep the rights over at TNT. That wasn't a priority a couple of years ago. It might have been now when they tried to match and the NBA said, no, it's not a match, and we're gonna go with this Amazon deal. And now we're expecting a lawsuit battle between the two parties that will probably reach a settlement at some point. But in the end, what it comes down to is everybody knew it was coming. Everybody knew it was coming. I'm sensitive to what Charles Barkley is saying. I don't want anybody unemployed, especially from a top notch production like T and T did with inside the NBA, first class, all the way, the standard, the Krim Dela Krem no doubt, my favorite moment outside of Charles Barkley having shack choke on himself with laughter because he talked about them big women in San Antonio. Outside of that, okay, my favorite moment was when Shaq was introduced to the world as the new member of the TNTT When he was sitting there doing that commercial, tweetl d and tweetled dumb look out baby, because here I come. Oh yeah, I loved it. Get Ready, get ready, here I come, get ready, Oh get ready. Remember that Shaq was doing his thing. I loved it. I always tell him that TNT is the show special and it's can't miss television and it's gonna be that way this season. And the talent that's over there. I respect where Barkley's coming from. My brother, what I would tell you is, believe in that talent over there, because as great as they are, they gonna land on their feet because they're that great. But let's not look at the NBA and lament that theyre going for money when we get paid. When we get paid. Charles Barkley been telling people for years, you got the best job in the world. You don't even consider it a job. You stealing money. You said all of these things you lamented. That the fact that you know there's police officers and firefighters and doctors and nurses and teachers and everybody else that don't get paid what you get paid. You still got paid, still took the money. That's all I'm saying. I can't look at the business and fault them for conducting business. The NBA is big time. It's a global iconic brand. The best players in the world representing the United States of America are in Paris right now. Oh by the way, a few of them are on teams, on Team Frands. A few of them are on Team Serbia, few of them, many of them are on Team Canada. God want in Greece. Got somebody for Australia, Germany. I think I get where Charles Barkley is going from. I truly truly do. But come on, bro, you can't fault a business for doing business.
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They're keeping them money for themselves, and they ain't spreading the wealth. They ain't hiring anybody, they ain't patronizing folks. So you can fuel the economy and make sure you putting money in other people's pockets. I get that. Thousands of employees with the NBA it's thousands more who benefit from the NBA product, if not millions, because events fueled the economy and stirs the cup restaurants, hotels, travel, etc. It's not gloom and doom. It's just another avenue to be explored, and in this case by people over at TNT who happen to be great. Not only may they land on their feet, they might get a better opportunity than the one they had a TNT, and that was a pretty damn good one. Who's to say, Let's see, let's see. Now I'm moving on. Last week I shared my thoughts on the news that my buddy and former colleagues Skip Baylors will be parting ways with FS one and Undisputed. This week, Skip is back in the headlines again while discussing Joel Embiid claiming he's the most hated player in the NBA. During an appearance on Quote the Czech Ball Show end Quote, Skip proclaimed that he is the most hated man in all of sports media. HM. Some people might look at that and say that Skip's trying to get attention for himself or whatever, and I don't think so. I think that Skip is somebody that says what he means. It means what he says, not always right, not always wrong. But I think he means what he says. In terms of being hated. I don't think Skip cares. Matter of fact, in some instances, I think he takes it as a badge of honor. But I'm going to tell you something that all of us should appreciate about Skip Bayless. You know, one of the things that so many folks missed, so many especially in this day and age, and it's one of the things that I will openly confess pisses me to hell off. You know, when elder statesmen talk about respecting your elders and stuff like that, you're talking about respecting people who paved the way, because you know something, if they didn't do it, not only would you not have known what to do, you might not have ever been able to do it. They're pioneers and everything. And in the world of sports, which we primarily cover, Connie Hawkins preceded Doctor J. Doctor J preceded Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan preceded Vince Carter and Kobe Bryant. I go back to the days of shooters where you know, my mad dog Russo will bring up Sam Jones and folks like Jerry West, and we saw stuff like that, and I, you know, I started watching it and it was downtown Freddie Brown for the Seattle SuperSonics, and the Dale Ellis's of the world, and Ricky Pierce's of the world and so many others. Larry Bird came along and he was a sharp shooter, and all of this other stuff. And we see the Allen Houston's of the world, the Reggie Miller's of the world, the Ray Allen's of the world. We saw so many long range shooters. But then Steph Curry and Klay Thompson came along and we saw something special, and we saw a little bit something different from them because they weren't just catching and shooting, especially in this case of Steph curry movement without the basketball. That was Reggie Miller, sure, but Steph Curry's ability to shoot from anywhere the range was unlimited. His ball handling skills and an ability to create his own shot and what have you, all of those things came into play. Guess what, That's how it goes. There's always pioneers. And when we look at the world of podcasting and sports talk and what have you, skip. Bayless is one of the pioneers. And let me tell you about something that I know for a fact better than anybody. So many people paid too much such attention wondering and lamenting what he said, the hating on Lebron James, the loving the love affair with Tim Tebow, and you know, his fixation on the Cowboys in a positive way where I'm patrol and all of this other stuff.
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If he didn't do what he did, how would we have been able to do what we do? Think about the subjects we tackled. Think about the matters we pontificated about. Think about the sensitive issues that were broadcast over the national airwaves. Think about how polarizing they were. Think about disenfranchised communities and other minorities within this country salivating for opportunities to have a voice and to make sure their voices were heard. Think about the things that people say and do. Now, if a white older guy likes skit Bayless wasn't willing to take the positions that he took while inviting people to sit opposite of him and challenge him on so many different issues. With debate television be what it is, see a lot of times we get caught up in thinking about what that persons saying. Sometimes it's the platform they provide. Do you know that there isn't a week that goes by where there's something that I can say, but I know coming from me, it won't work. It'll be taken wrong, it might be taken differently than I want to than I want it absorbed. So I might leave it to the person I'm debating with. I might leave it to one of the football analysts. I might leave it to one of the basketball analysts. I might leave it to one of the pundits out there political social justice, social commentary or whatever, or the female issues Chanel Gumacan, Andrea Carter and Monica McNutt and Molly Krum and all of these other folks. Why Because there's certain things that don't need to come out of my mouth, but I have an obligation to provide the platform for it to come out of the mouth of others. At least a part of that. With Skip Bayless, at least a part of that. So while we sit here we talk about him and act like, oh my god, he's getting ready to leave FS one. So he has failed even though he's seventy three years of age, and he's had a successful run that has spanned for decades ds which most of us could only hope we could ever come close to achieving. I'm saying to you, I'm me. I speak what I speak, I say what I say. That's all true. I've been this way all my life. I didn't have First Take as a national televised platform until twelve years ago. It's not always about the person that's saying something. It's about the person that has the courage and the conscience to provide a platform for others to say what they can't say, what they don't want to say, what they don't feel, what they may feel completely opposite of, and it doesn't bother them. You can think whatever you want about Skip Baylor's when it comes to a lot of things he has said and has done over the years, which I've argued a butt heads with him about and and didn't agree with him about it, what have you. But at least remember that a lot of people have benefited from a platform he helped pioneer. Just try to remember that, Just try to remember that. That's it for this week. But the Stephen Nate Smith Show right here with the digital airways of YouTube and of course iHeart radio. I gotta get on out of here. I hope y'all enjoy y'all weekend. I'm gonna make sure I do the same. Until next time, Peace of love, everybody, be safe, God bless