Stephen A. Smith is a New York Times Bestselling Author, Executive Producer, host of ESPN's First Take, and co-host of NBA Countdown. Stephen A. discusses the system of finger-pointing that politicians and pundits play to win their parties inside favors instead of working together for the constituents who voted for them with Chris Cuomo. During his tenure at NewsNation, Mr. Cuomo has spoken with key political figures such as Gov. of California Gavin Newsom, former Gov. Chris Christie, presidential candidates Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Dean Phillips, and celebrities Kanye West, Sean Penn, Sherri Shepard, and Dr. Phil. He has also traveled to the frontlines of the war in Ukraine and at the start of the Israel-Hamas war.
The twenty twenty four Republican National Convention begins tonight in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where former President Donald Trump will accept the GOP presidential nomination. Trump arrived in Wisconsin Sunday night after he survived the assassination Saturday afternoon in Pennsylvania. The Secret Service said there are no operational changes for the RNC. According to the Associated Press, however, the Secret Service has implemented changes to Donald Trump's security detail since Saturday's assassination attempt to quote ensure his continued protection for the convention and the remainder of the campaign end quote.
Before I get.
Into any of that, I couldn't wait to talk to this man right here because I wanted to know his thoughts immediately upon seeing what transpired this Saturday afternoon. He is the host of cuonmo On News Nation. My buddy, the one and only, Chris Clonomo is here with me right now. What's going on is how are you?
Man?
I am. There's a struggle connected to this. This is very heavy, This was very scary. The nation dodged a bullet, not just Donald Trump. I don't even want to think about what the level of discussion would be, what the level of animus would be, what the level of hostility retaliation would be if there had been a God forbid that was an extreme consequence.
So the question is what will we make it mean.
I really appreciated and I hope your audience does as well what you were saying before. We understand how we got here. We got here because this is what's easier for the two party system. It's easier to say the other side is worse. It's easier to play to the fringes. Works for clicks, it works for polling, works for the media very well, and it works for the primary structure, which is where the parties get their power at the state level, really not at the federal level. So that's how it got here. Because easier easier for the parties to say which is worse, to do all of this, to never do this and compromise cooperation. That's hard, comparing ideas, that's hard. Scaring you by being a threat to the democracy, scaring you by saying that you're destroying America's fabric, depending on which side you want to listen to, this is easier.
But look where it got us.
The question is how do we use this moment The immediate indication about all of our leadership, including Trump.
Of course I put the least pressure on him because he's got to deal with getting shot in the head.
The man was just shot in the head, right, Okay, So I don't know what that did to him personally. I can't imagine how I would process it. But the platitudes of there's no place for violence in our politics. We wish him a recovery. Let's remember what Eric is about. That's all platitudes. It's all bullshit.
Because nobody acts on it.
Donald Trump picking JD Vance as his running mate it means that he is not trying to make.
The most of this moment.
Jd Vance is just an echo of his fringe. Jd Vance started as a guy who was an interpreter of like, you know, the the you know of Cracker.
Town, of Like the Hillbillies. Hillbilly Elegy was his book.
Now he's become that He's put out some of the most useless and obnoxious commentaries since the assassination attempt.
And I believe that's what it was.
And people on the left who want to play stupid games about it being something else sound like what they say they oppose, which is the righty fringe with their crazy conspiracies. So my point is this JD vance is not a good sign that Trump has decided to become a transcendent figure because of what he lived through and the opportunity was there to shift from stoking the fury of the few to connecting to the many.
We're desperate for it.
That's why people are so excited about you getting involved more with social commentary and political commentary. We need reasonable, we need people without a team. Tonight, I'm not going to tell people what to think or how to feel. I'm just going to tell them what I've decided this moment means to me. I was really scared when I saw what was happening that day.
I was worried there was going to be more. I ate four ice cream sandwiches.
I know that sounds silly, but literally that's how desperate I was to feel better about it.
My kids were freaked out, my wife was freaked out. I started to get all.
These stupid threats online because people say stupid things online, you know, trigger of security concerns. But I'm not living my life that way. What are we going to make of the moment, Stephen that's the.
Test for us.
I agree with you, Chris, and I'm not one thousand percent. But when you talk about the fear that you had, I'd like you to crystallize for our audience when you were scared seeing what had happened to him.
What specifically was your.
Fear, God forbid, Donald Trump is mortally injured and what that will be for the slice of his country that is anxious to act on their grievance and outrage.
What excuse it would be? Yes, and how I am so.
Keenly aware, though I rarely talk about it because I don't want to talk anything into existence. We give ourselves a lot of credit for being civilized.
We give ourselves a lot of credit for being better than what we see around the world as a country. As a country, Yes.
And it is very fragile. Look at January sixth, you know, the best secured place in the world. You know, a bunch of guys without a plan. You almost overran it, you know, I mean really they did, to be honest, But it.
Is all so.
Fragile, and we could have really horrible things happening here very easily, and we're very fortunate that it isn't happening, and I was very worried that there would be bad things.
I was worried for Trump, you know.
And I know people anybody who has a problem with me saying that has a real problem.
He's not Hitler. Okay with them, I mean said he is hitler. He's not Hitler.
And I get that it works for you. I get it works keeping people afraid. There is no deep state, there is no left wing radical uh enterprise that.
Is moving everything and controlling the courts. This is all bullshit.
It is all done to scare you into obeisance, to make you follow, to make you do, and it is working tremendously well by both sides and their worst aspects.
I believe it. So if you don't want to believe it, you don't have to believe it. I believe it, so I don't want to hear it.
So what I am choosing to do, Stephen, is I am going to speak to the many and tell you where I am and where I'm coming from on it, and what I'm going to tolerate and what I'm not going to tolerate, and what I'm going to allow on my platforms and what I'm not going to allow because I'm tired of being a place where I have to compete with magnifying minority views and minority opinions and minority grievances that don't apply to the overwhelming number of Americans and their families. And I think it's time that each of us decide to use the control that we have. You want to be on social media, find get on there and start yelling about how what you don't like the two sides doing. Pick a team if you want, but start criticizing your team the way we were the Knicks and the Jets, instead of thinking that everything your team does is okay and the other team is evil.
We have to make a change. This was too close. It's too easy for us to fall into chaos.
I'm certainly not absolving the American public, particularly the trolls and others on social media, for some of the egregious things that they say and appear.
Willing to do.
But you heard me earlier talking about the politicians and the pundits, and I said, you know the issues, and you know, you know, I brought up Donna Brazil, who I have profound respect for and has been around a long time. But I'm not really pointing the figure at her. I'm just using her to crystallize the point that I was trying to make because of what I saw talking to us about how these are your brothers and these are your sisters on the opposite side of the island, stuff like that. And she's historically a very reasonable person, so I'm certainly not questioning her. But I guess what I'm saying is there are too many people that are political pundits.
They don't tell us.
About the good relationships that they have with folks, with their love. They've been promoting, and they've been pushing the divide, and I don't want to be lectured, and I don't want the American people be electured for stuff to go, Ahea, I'm sorry.
All you have to do is at some point, look at what happens in a commercial.
Break on any cable news show.
These people thank you, nap out a character just as fast as they snap in.
I see it all the time, Stephen. Now, I don't really allow it on my shows.
That's why I do so much one on one and that's why I'm so transparent about my relationship people.
I mean, look, I have.
Bill O'Reilly on every week the guy treats me with complete contempt on a regular basis.
That's his choice.
I still like him. I just see him as an angry old man. The relationships a great segen, A great segen. People Stephen, they come on, oh, Stephen, you're dangerous for the country, and you're this and that. Then you go into commercial and they're like, Stephen, you are you are crazy? Hey did you hear from Ronnie the other day? Were you at that thing or you weren't at it? Yeah, I'll call you after this. But you know, it's all an act. It's all an act because it it works. And I'm just saying, it's time to blow up the game. You want to blow up, you want to destroy, you want to disrupt. Great, there's one thing that countries around the world don't see us as.
The standard in anymore. They still want to be us.
They want our culture, they want our individuality, they want our collectivism, they want our economy, they want our culture.
They don't want our politics. They point at our politics and say, yesh, you guys are paralyzed and polarized. Those are the words.
I heard spoken by an international affairs effort yesterday, and it hit me like it hit me right across the face.
We are paralyzed and polarized. And there's only one reason.
For that, Stephen advantage. It works for the parties. They don't have to do anything. They just have to promise to stop the other side. They just have to keep us scared and where they're in action is enough and they have played Chris.
I've said this for years.
The only work the politicians really do is campaigning because once you once you went office, all you have to do is agree with your side. It's like, we're not compromising. We want to agree with our side and that's it. But let me ask you this. Let me ask you this because I said this as well. I think when you take into account the fact that he was shot, he gets up, blood is trickling down the side of his face, he raises his fist, he screams fight, fight, fight three times, he's surrounded by Secret Service, and then you have the American flag behind him.
I don't think you can buy a better photo than that.
And I said to myself, my first thought was you just won him the election.
To that, you say, well, that's true.
I think that the I think the internal disputing of the Democrats about Biden in the election. There's been hard planted, a fundamental obstacle that Biden can't overcome, and the party gave it to him. So I think Trump was already in good shape and now he earned this.
The way he decided to behave after he was shot in the head.
Is his choice, and it was brave af I don't know where that came from.
He stopped the secret Service, he said wait, wait, wait, wait.
And he wanted people to see He wanted them to see it. And you know, people are ever the showman.
I say, f you. I say that was some bravery on display right there. That was ballsy.
I would have been ducking and running for my life and he chose to do something else and I give him credit for it.
And I don't care how anybody else feels about that. Is he gonna win?
Look, he was the odds on favorite before. Things are trending the wrong way. I don't know.
There's there's such compressed news cycle.
So much can happen, poles are so wrong so often, but it's certainly moving the right way now. If he were to take advantage of this moment, Stephen, then it would be over and it would be over I believe for the best interests of the country.
If you were to say, look, I'm done frightening people on the fringe, I'm done. You get that.
I'm with you. You know that I understand things. I'm gonna make changes at the border. I do not hate migrants. Okay, I'm gonna make changes. I am not going to chase after Democrats. I believe there's a deep state. I'm gonna work on the bureaucracy. I am not on some holy war. I am going to work with the other side. I am gonna do things that Republicans aren't going to like. I'm gonna get things done. I'm going to pass more legislation than ever, and I'm gonna do my damnedest to not succumb to negativity.
I am here to resurrect.
Not Project twenty twenty five, something that people are forgotten.
Or never knew of.
Right, Jared Kushner's original job description once Donald Trump was elected was their most important initiative that not never got off the ground, and it was called DJT one hundred. DJT one hundred was Donald John Trump one hundred percent approval. That was what Jared Kushner was originally in charge of to come up with an agenda and a pr mechanism to let Trump be the most popular president in history.
Now, he got sidetracked by.
His mouth, playing to the fringe, playing to the people who helped him get in, and of course all the attacks from the other side, and he got into survival mode and went with what made most sense to him at the time. And dj T one hundred was gone. They should bring it back, they should talk about it out loud, and they'll say, oh, he can't change. Everybody changes. This is politics. Nobody's going to hold him to who he was. It's all about who you want to become. And people saying, don't give him advice, tell Biden to do it. Hey, then Biden should do it. But Trump has a unique advantage because he just got shot in the.
Nobody should do it.
But before I'll let you get on out of here. Just today it was announced that the Trump's Marrol Lago classified documents case was dismissed. I made the argument that while the Capitol riots and the twenty twenty election is still pending, while the Georgia twenty twenty election interference case is still pending, I don't think there's a prosecutor alive that can bring him into court at this particular moment after what just transpired, and obviously Thursday him being the official GOP nominee instead of the presumptive nominee.
That's what I think. Am I right or wrong?
Look, you're right practically, but that's not how the law works.
Could they yes? Will they know because the process won't allow it.
I mean, litigation is very slow, and they have very good arguments on their side in terms of slowing it down with an election being in the balance, which you know we've had this.
I believe hyper idealistic idea that.
No one's above the law and it doesn't matter that there's an election.
Neither of those things is completely accurate.
I'm not saying anybody's above the law, but there is prosecutorial discretion and you don't bring every case you can. We just thought with Alec Baldwin. Yeah, they hid evidence and that is disgusting and I hope that they follow up with those prosecutors and see who did what and why. But if his name is an Alec Baldwin, they never bring the case in the first place, and that's not the business we should be in, And the people who should agree most are all the five foot pen inch one hundred and sixty five pound black men under the age of twenty five who have been hauled in for generations for things that.
They are suspected of on the basis.
Of appearance and location que that they had nothing to do with, and they sit and rot in jails all over the country because they can't get out either because of how the procedures work or how the bail system would work at that time.
And so now we know, oh, there's a two dear justice system.
It's like everybody on the lower socioeconomic rungs is shaking their heads because it's like, oh yeah, now because it's drunk. You guys understand because it Dallak Baldwin. It's been like this for us for generations. So could they haul them in?
Yes? Should they know?
Did Judge Cannon make a good ruling? No, she made a hyper technical ruling that's going to lose on appeal because the idea that special councils are not constitutional is I think a very very simplistic ruling, and it'll play itself out, but that case is.
Certainly be steinyed. Now for the duration of the election.
Last question, Democrats, what can they do at this point to win the election in light of all the momentum? And I hate using that word considering what transpired this weekend because I don't want to come across as remotely insensitive to what nearly happened to the former president. But nevertheless, there's a momentum that he's riding right now because in some people was oys. He's even more of a martyr than he was before this weekend. So what can the Democrats do to get stuff back on track to some degree and make it a competitive thing based on policy against policy as opposed to what we're looking.
At right now.
If Trump doesn't take the moment, meaning he doesn't call the shooter's father and say, hey, listen, I know how you must feel right now, and you are not your son, Let's talk about how you think he may have gotten there. Maybe there's something in it that I can use to talk to other people about their parents, like John Paul the Second did when he got shot. I'm not comparing Trump to a pope, but the magnanimity, the magnanimous.
Nature of that would be huge.
He goes and he doesn't pick vance he picks somebody who could be president right away, because Vance can't be president. He's as much of a problem in that respect as Kamala Harris, if not more, And he only plays to the most vicious aspect of Trump's fringe, which he doesn't need to stoke. Now, the Democrats have an opportunity. If Trump passes it, he gets first dibbs. The man just got shot in the head. He gets first DIBs on making something of this moment because it's defined by what happened to him.
He passes on.
It, and just as the Platitudes just does the minimum, there's a chance for the Democrats to jump in and say, hey, look, we can't be where we are right now. We understand that there's a game that we've been involved in. We got to change the game. We've got to be about what's better for this country, how we get things done. We are not in the business of trading barbs with Donald Trump. Joe Biden is old, but he still knows what's right. And we've got to get things done, and we got to stop fighting. And we're gonna find anybody who wants to be a part of anything like that. That's the only people we're speaking against. We're going to call out the people who want to show us at our worst. There's an opportunity in it, not as much as there is for Trump, not as much as there is for Trump, But there's also an opportunity for us because we are part of it. This People blame the media too much. We're an echo. We're not the voice. We're an echo. But how loud an echo is, how long it resonates, which parts of the spoken message we decide to repeat and communicate. Those are all choices, what we allow, what we disallow. Too many of us play to what works rather than place playing to what's right. And I think there is a moment in this, and I think each one of us has to make a choice about it, about what we say and how we use it and what it means. And I'm gonna do that tonight. I'm gonna do it every night again.
Well, I'm glad you brought that up, because that's where I was going. There's a lot to cover, particularly not just with this particular incident, but also with everything that's going on in the world of politics and beyond. And I'm gonna be watching Quomot News Nation tonight, a PM Easter Standard Time News Nation, the one and only Chris Cuomo. I appreciate you, my man, thank you so much. As always, my brother, I'll talk to you soon and I'll be on this week.
Amen. Amen, all right, my man, you take it.
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