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Hello, everybody, Happy Tuesday, or whatever a day it is that you happen to be listening to this. It drops on Tuesdays and Thursdays. It's so hopefully you're listening to it to the day that the drops. But if you don't, I will not hold that against you joining me on the podcast today. My one, my only, my sweet delicious husband, John Moxley is here on the show. John is a is a trooper because if I'm ever in like a pinch that I'm like, I kind of need a guest for the show this week. It's great that I happen to be married to a wrestler that I can just get him to kind of sit down with me. I shouldn't say I can just get him to do it. Honestly, Sometimes it's like pulling teeth and I'm like, can you do my podcast? Please? Use and he just doesn't really feel like being social. So we're actually supposed to record it last week, the baby was crying and it was near impossible, so we pushed it to this week and just so happened. There's a few things to talk about. So this was one of my favorite interviews with John actually, because I feel like more often than not, he does not like he's less willing to talk about his matches and the psychology behind some of those matches and where he kind of draws his inspiration and stuff from. So I think we got a lot of that from John and this episode. So funny. I feel like we'll sit here and record like an hour's worth of a podcast, and I'm like, okay, well, thank you for coming to hang out. I'm gonna wrap it up, and he's like, well, I'm just getting started. So I feel like we could just, you know, record like a three hour long podcast and see what else I can pull out of the guy. All right, guys, well let's get into it. Let's see what the man has to say. This is John Moxley. Okay, guys, another John session here. I want to put it out there that we actually planned on recording this last week, and honestly, I kind of wish that we had I just recorded this last week before some drama rama started to unfold, because now I feel like the spotlight is on you to respond to all of this drama. And I know that you don't really give a shit to respond to any of this drama. But of course I would be remissed to not ask you about it. I guess, is there anything that you would like to address with all the stuff that is kind of unfolded in the last couple of days on the internet in the wrestling world. No, because nothing is unfolded. It's fucking annoying just because somebody says some stupid shit on social media, like that's not news, but it is, and it ends up being a thing. I don't want to get dragged into this dump shit. Yeah, I could fucking unload on a lot of fucking people right now and I start getting dragged into this shit. It hemps me to do that, but I'm not gonna synk to that level. I will say this. I was just gonna give you like a tidbit of information from my point of view. The entire summer, I was not on a contract, no contract, free agent. I was a Summer Slam, weekend wrestling, fucking desperado chit the day a SummerSlam fucking suplexed him on a bunch of aluminum cans and ship cut in half. It was fucking dope. I gotta walked in a Summer Slam that night with the aw fucking about if I had been so inclined. Nobody knew that because I don't put my shit out there in the world and let everybody know every fucking thing about my business. You know I was not on a contract. Reason being if you're curious, because I got a rehab and my contract was coming up. They extended it for the time that I missed. Cool. I'm glad they did, actually, because I didn't want to feel like I owed them anything, you know, so they extended a little bit. It was coming up. They're talking to me about it, and the last thing I wanted to do when I first got out of rehab, because all they were telling me is like, basically, logic would tell you don't go back to wrestling because you're just gonna fall into the same old habits, right, So I wanted to just like ease back into it and see what life was like on the other side. And the last thing I wanted to do was just hurry up and sign a big long term commitment because what if I don't know, what if she's started going off the rails, Like yeah, pretty quickly, I was like, man, actually being sober is awesome. This is fantastic. I'm having so much fun. I was working with my friends Blackpool Combat Club, I mean, Brian and Shade. I was like, fucking Regal, like this is great, you know, and they're talking to me about slanning a new thing, and I was like, if everything just stays exactly as it is, right now. I'll be here forever. You can pay me in cash in an envelope at the end of the night, I don't do a fuck, But I can't tell you what I'm gonna feel like in six months, especially not in three years or five years. And once I make a commitment, then I will push through injuries, and I will push myself too hard, and I will do all these things that add up and it leads you down the road or whatever. You know what I mean. So I was not in a hurry to make any kind of grand commitments, you know, at first that being said, during this time period, the night in uh fucking what'ses Dick's talking about was in Indianapolis, not Indianapolis Minneapolis. Was the night he came back and was hopping around on one foot, bumping around Inner circle or whatever, after me and Jericho wrestled in a badass match. By the way, so we're talking later about stuff. Now, keep in mind, at this time this is my whole point. I basically don't work there for all intents and purposes. I don't even work here. Tony is not my boss. I don't even have to be in this room. I don't have to do shit. So even me being in this room and offering and agreeing to a storyline that puts you over at the pay per view, if anything, I'm bending over backwards for Tony and for this dude and for the company and everybody. So I didn't have to I didn't have to do shit. If anything, I was bending over backwards. So that's it. Okay, So here I've got you know, that's not even controversial. I'm just telling you, no, those are just facts that cutting drive back. Okay, So my questions to you then just like based off of that, and this doesn't even have anything to do with that situation. That can be the only piece you say in the situation. Um, but this has been sort of a situation for you in terms of, like any time there's been a little bit of a oh oh something's happening, Oh we got to do something, a lot of things have fallen on your shoulders, and I think I think it's pretty fair to say you as one of the cornerstones of a e W your run as champion. I mean, even if you want to go back to the pandemic days, but I think specifically you being able to step in if somebody's injured. If someone's in a situation that you have been that guy, what kind of pressure comes with being that guy in situations when you haven't necessarily it's not been planned out, but you step up in those occasions. I mean, that's what a big part of my career has been. You gotta be ready to seize opportunities when they rise. I think the last time we do this is right before forbidden do it when I got slided into russell Ton hash which turned out amazing, right, So that was just an opportunity. Got to be ready for that stuff. So for young wrestlers listening, you know, you gotta you never know what's around the corner, so you know, be ready at all times. You know, it really is crazy to think, not just now, it's like I've never I don't I've never been like, it's never been like the plan to build everything around me. Right. The only time when it was kind of like that the pandemic happened in the whole world shut down. Yeah, the only time that ever happened. Yeah, But you know that's does it get like annoying sometimes to be like, you know, if you'd just fucking gone with me in the first place, like we wouldn't be fucking going through this again, right, it kind of does, but also like, no, it's all good, Like I don't complain. I see the good and everything, and I'm just so having so much fucking fun, Like life is so fucking good right now, and I don't want any negative bullshit right Like how far is the fucking complain about? You know, Like yeah, and I guess you can kind of like unload on that a little bit of just like the frustrations of not even this situation of them. But I will say this, and I hate to say, I don't think I've ever said anything even remotely negatives about AW, but I will say this as an observer, it seems like, you know, I spent eight years on the Indies, been a couple of years in ww veltment. I don't spent like eight years in WWE. I have never seen so much bullshit drama in one place in my entire fucking life. I hate to say that, but it's like, and I don't know if it's because of the age of social media. She gets like blown out of proportion, like one person types one stupid fucking drunk tweet and all of a sudden it's all anybody wants to talk about. You know, Like what also is like maybe just like a generational thing as well, like not only social media aspects, but like people are coming into the in this a different way. People seem to be able to behave a certain people just can't go into business for themselves, whether they're going on social media and talking about how they're not being booked or you know, how they're undervalued or whatever whatever. But it is really crazy. I mean, I think when you really they don't have to step back to look at it. But like with what has been built with a W and how specially AW is and the core group of all the people that make up a e W, it's this like wrestling oasis. Yet there's still people that are chipping away that want to like talk shit and sort of disrupt this thing that you guys have all been working really hard to build. Yeah, Like we're sitting up here doing a podcast. You know what we're not talking about. We're not talking about the fucking stellar match like Kean going Kenny omegagents whoa all my word, all the cool stuff going on an AW cool show is happening. We're not talking about this great pay per view. We just had, Yeah, great paper beyond you know, we're not talking about it now, we're talking about some bullshit. Like let me be clear, the vast majority of people there don't cause any trouble. Yeah, but they're getting sucked down into the ship like everybody else the muck. Yeah. You know, there's plenty of people who just want to get better and perform and fucking just do this job. Man, it's the best job in the world, and there's a lot of that, and I'm taking up Like I'm not an official coach. I definitely don't ever want to be a producer so to speak. Oh, I mean, I know it's a pain in the ass. I don't want to see it, be really good at it. I don't want to be an official producer. You don't want to wear the headset. I don't want to wear the headset. I don't want to have to write stuff down and talk to the if we get you a wireless headset. I like being a coach, yeah right, But I'm not any kind of official capacity of a coach. But I can coach people that I think are worth it. You know. Yeah, you don't give time to anybody, But like you know, well, some people don't want to actually be coachable or you know, people like the idea of and I don't don't want to just if you're going to put them over, they'll want to sit and work with you. But if yeah, and like I'm actually like pretty like like just my natural whatever you want to call it, like anti socialness, don't want to talk to anybody they're not I don't want to like bother anybody or come off like I'm trying to like how to do it. Sure, sure, Sometimes I'm like I watch something and I see something, I'm like, man, I really want to tell this guy this or this girl this, and I just don't say it to him, even though it could have been something that helped. And then I usually like regret it. Now they'll just come up to somebody and be like just saying and I'll usually and I'll tell people this too. Like I don't even like the word advice, right because advice sounds like something you have to take. I'm just throwing ideas. It's a little suggestion box. Yeah, I'm just riffing some uh, you know, I ideas and we're just talking. If you don't like my idea or if I go, hey, you should do a backflip and kick somebody in the face. If you're like they think that's stupid, then don't do it. You know, I'm not offended. Maybe it's a bad idea, I don't know, or like, I'm just I love getting the best out of people, and I love when I see things and people that's like dying to get out and bringing that out. Like, uh yeah, who are some of those people? Give us? Like some examples, Oh, like Marina Schapeir for example, so much potential there. She's the only one of her species we have at aw there is there's nobody else. We only have one of her. She should in my like, I see here wrestling different than everybody, looking, talking, acting different than everybody because she has all these you know, martial arts skills and judo high level judo and stuff and experience, and she's such a natural at so much of it. You know that she's new at the pro wrestling stuff, like they're running and ducking and selling and bumping and and all that. But I've seen her wrestle at blood Sport, which we got a blood Sport coming up on marsh third. Who are you gonna wrestle. Big question Mark Alex Coglin, Oh, was it announced one way or another? You should have fought Marina. That would have been cool if you don't want none of this, my aunt. But I've seen her wrestler at blood Sport and it was like she was a different wrestler I've seen working on Dark and Elevation stuff like that was like she was totally different because she was in her elements. Right, She's comfortable, she wrestling master slam, a bitch, very talented girl, and U she's wrestling barefoot and moving around and like her footwork and you know, her kicks and movement and everything. Was like it's like totally different. She was in her element, and I'm like, we need to bring that to TV. Yeah, and that that just brings a whole new, uh kind of element to the division, you know. So you know, just like a suggestion. I was like, you know on blood Sport because you used to wear boots, and I was like, in blood Sport, you're wrestling barefoot. I'm not saying you should wrestle barefoot. If you don't want to wrestle barefoot, then don't. I don't give She had tell good. It's whatever. But I'm just saying the fact that you were barefoot drew my eyes to your feet and it made me notice how good your footwork was. Oh okay, I like that. It made you look like way more athletic. It like added a whole new dimension. You know. It wasn't just like somebody's difference in somebody's wearing blue boots or red boots. Yeah, it just created this whole other dynamic to her. You know, it's just like different, Like lady, she'd been trying that out, you know, and like there was one of the matches she had, I'm just trying to get her to like just loosen up and just and she has and she like works really hard to work on these little things and she goes out there to get better every single time. I'm trying to get her just be loose and just do what she knows how to do. But I was like, you already know how to do everything you need to know. It's just putting it where it needs to go and all these little things, you know, and that just takes experience. Right. So one of the matches she had, I think it was with Athena. They actually had a good amount of time it wasn't just like four or five minutes. Yeah, And once they hit the you know, halfway through the match marker, and they were in a good sweat and were warmed up and steaded to go, and you saw her change gears and seeing that that's what I've been waiting to see. And it's like still subtle and like I can notice it. But when she got into the zone and change those gears, I was like, pump me up, Like I gave me a high like I was in the league. So that's another good thing about coaching, as I realized, like I could not be able to wrestle, but I could still kind of get that same satisfaction in that same high, yeah, by helping other people and bringing that out of them. Like she had a match of Revolver and I was there for with Billy Starts and it was awesome and it gave me like the high like I was in the like I've been. Is there anyone else in particular that you, I know you've been working on Marina quite a bit, anybody else coming in. I send him to defy him, put him in the ring with Rocky of Marrow, and that gave him like a whole new confidence. One. Why is Rocky the guy that you want to set somebody up in the ring? One Because he's the guy that has all the experience in the world and is so good, and people forget because he's you know, office, people forget how good he is. And you know, he's a guy that you can just send somebody in there and go listen to Rocky for twenty minutes. Just go out there and do what he tells you to do. You know, we're not on the road Thidy, Saturday and Sunday. Yeah, you don't get that other somebody. Some of these younger guys, you know, they have a match and it's like, okay, cool, we'll work on this, this and this, We're not gonna do it again tomorrow night. Was if they had more house shows and they're like working on top guys every single night. I was, yeah, like hey, blas of experienced where it came to wwe realized that I didn't know shit about wrestling on TV and all these cameras and that whole game, and it's a whole different thing. But I get to work with all the top guys. I was just very fortunate in my position. Yeah, we work with the top guys every single night Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Ye. Yeah, like young guys don't get that. So we'll be doing more. So one of my ideas, we'll be doing more house shows we just started. Yeah, let's talk about that house show because it was a huge success. You guys drew what like three thousand people ry Ohio. And the funny thing for me and like, I wasn't there. I stayed home with the baby. You went out and did your thing, But I was like following everything online and seeing everyone's tweets, Like I feel like everybody that was booked on the show had a fucking awesome time, Like it seems like it. I think it actually kind of shocked people to go, oh, this was cool. Yeah, it was a big success for the people that were there and the fans and everything, you know, Like, yeah, I don't think it could have gone any better. And we worked with asidly more already, another two guys with you know, immense potential, you know, and just takes experience and finding those extra little things that make you you you know, Yeah, we'll do more of those, you know, and the whole point of that, you know, I think people are probably gonna like compare. You know, it's not the same thing as like we're running in a big market with all our stars, Like you're gonna be with friends, right. The whole point of this is to just have a place where guys can get reps. Like the idea that I heard initially was like you'd be kind of like uh the FCW n ST Yeah yeah, yeah, like an FCW WE wrestled and Fort Myers and Bristol Creek or these little uh loord of towns, you know, like and on the weekends, and some guys like need that. Another idea that I have been trying to do is just working with other indie companies and uh sending guys there like to find on their days off, you know, to fire revolver these places. Yea. And yeah that's helped a y too for guys, you know, just to give them more. You know, Wrestling on TV is totally different than not being on TV. Sure, That's why I do, Like, I don't do any because they pay me a bunch of money or anything. I don't because I want that extra practice, stay sharp, to try things out. There's stuff I do on an indie show that I made up on the spot and an indie show that I did on TV in pay per view. You know what I was like, Ah, you know, I like being out there. It's kind of like just like a jam session if you're a musician, right, big up bit of guitar and start picking. See what happens. You know, I need that. So that's been kind of successful. It's something I've been trying to implement, you know. 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Did you get have you watched the full match yet? Yeah? So to see that match, and you know, I'll be the first to say I was not really familiar with what I was going to get from Vikingo, But to watch this match, see what these two did, and to see the reaction in this like swell of like affection for v Kingo, and obviously we know how great Kenny Omega is. But there was a lot of rumblings, I guess, of people being like, who's this guy? What is this happening? I think that's one of the really cool things about AW the way that matches like this can be put together and then you can sort of build a storyline afterwards, should that be the case that they want to do something. But putting on a match like that and putting on a dream situation like that was really well received. I knew, now, oh, he's gonna blow people's fucking Oh my god, I've seen him, so I knew exactly you know what was going to happen. I do attack Kenny afterward, but that totally different thing, nothing to do with right, That's why I waited. Well, we waited till after the match. Respect, respect, it was different situation, right right. Let them do their thing and then get back to brass tacks, some dang warfare issues, fair battle lines, territory and so forth, because you still work and do so many different indies and you get to work with so many other people who are some people that you would like to see brought more into the mix with aw I don't know how many of you this year, And you know, because I kind of was like, I don't want to. What I don't like is uh, I have to be really cognizant of not pushing myself too hard, right, Oh my god? Yeah, because that's I'm just a very foot to the gas pedal person and I don't know any different, right, So if I'm feeling like really great, I'll be like, okay, oh, look myself for six saturdays in a row and wrestles twenty minutes on dynamite every week, and you get halfway through that and you're like, oh man, pretty beat up. Maybe I should take a week off. But then it's too late because if I do an Inny show, now it's you have to be there now. All the tickets are sold and the whole thing's like built around me and streaming it and everything. End. It's like I can't just call off, yeah, and so I have to go and uh and then you know, and then you know, I have commitments today. W You like the thing with Ott the other week. You know, I was right fucking furious about just because totally happy to do a house show. You're telling me to get into a show and I only have to drive ninety miles to Troy, Ohio. Right, what better way to spend a Saturday? Good bring your Yeah, but I didn't like getting I was already booked on that day. Yeah. So now like it's just this weight that you know, the days I missed, like when I was in rehab, I missed a Defied show and whatever else and they eat a bunch of aw shows and pay per view and having that weight on my back of like a date, I feel like I got to make up. I feel so bad about it. Yeah, I hate having that weight. So now I still have to go to ott What are you going? Can I make a trip out of it? I don't know. I probably shouldn't even advertise it because I don't want to jinx it. Just no, I'm just gonna show up one day, but I will make that date up. So sorry about that unfortunate circumstances fans in Ireland. But I've been doing a lot with the Wrestling Revolver, which is uh my former partner. Well it's still have team with him this year. Sammy Callahan, Yeah, is promotion and Sammy is a hell of a little promoter man. Yeah, and he has been. He used to run a little company called Luca Core back in the day. He's a hustler, and I mean that in the best sense, like works his ass off on all kinds of you know, he's good with like graphics and media and stuff like that. He can make a He'll make a highlight video or a review package or something in a day. Yeah you know it looks great. Yeah, what a skill to have. I wish I had that skill so bad. We make a good partnership for Revolver because he loves to do all the stuff that I would never do right. I don't want to be a promoter. I don't want to look at logistics. I couldn't imagine you're editing a video. I don't like when you take my picture. Oh god, I don't know how to do anything. I can barely work my phone, you know. So, but I don't want to, you know, handle money and booking and all this stuff, you know. But I love wrestling of the coaching, you know, of being there, you know, do do meet and greet all that kind of stuff, you know. Cool, So he handles one part and I handle another part, you know. So that's been a great. Yeah, partnership, got some stuff cooking, more cooking for this year. I think they gotta do some shows in Iowa with a really great crowd out there, Okay, thousand people out there on the rag. And we just started kind of building the audience here in Dayton at a little building. Dayton maybe moved to a bigger building eventually, but we're just building the audience here and get all kinds of I mean, you kind of thought that as soon as you got into Cincinnati that you really want to make Cincinnati more of a wrestling city. So the Wheels are in motion. It was like a hotbed, you know, back before you know, there might not have been a reputable school in every corner. Right, there was as many places to train, and it was still a little bit more of a secretive kind of you know, there was a little bit more bearer to entry and where the internet was like it is now. You know, people used to come here to Cincinnati from all over the country, all over the world. For instance, Nigel McGinnis travel all the way here from England to Cincinnati to train. And this is where the original moment memorial shows were right right. You know, there's a lot of history here with like NWA and stuff. So you can find a lot of old cool posters from like Cincinnati Garden. Oh I want to find some of those. Well, I got you that one, but I actually don't like the way that it came. I wish it was like a legit poster. It's like on a board. I wish I got like the like more of an original version of it. It's cool, yeah, but you know this is the very you know, I love Somecinnati. Man. It's like, I can't imagine I'm coming from anyone else, Isn't it nice? Like it's not my home, but like I get like sort of like the residual your home, that like comfort level. But it feels like home to me because there's something very like Ontario about it. I don't know what that is, whole same deciduous force. Yes, it's the Yeah, the landscape is nice. Yeah, because it's a big city, but it's still a small town. Yeah, you got everything here, but you know, it's still kind of it's a little urban, a little country, you know, a little bit uh everything. And I'm just I'm very happy to be back in a city. Oh my god, it's just so nice. I'm a city person, like Claudia lives out in the wilderness outside of old Yeah. It taken down wasps nests and shit compound. I mean. The great thing about it is he built that gym out there. Oh right, well he's got like he's out in the sticks. Man, you're probably a gym currently, I am. If it ever gets does you go down there today? It's or water down there? There's no water? Oh good, it's huge. Okay, great. Yeah, I'm building a physical location for the Blackpool Combat Club in my basement. Just how I can join? Can I join? Blackpool Comic one. He's ignoring me everything. Yeah, it's gonna be you know, basically, you know, kind of like a heart dungeon kind of scenario. Hell yeah, all rights really old be very dungeon. So we had to or a concrete floor and steal all the walls and waterproof and it's been at the house. Is coming together, mess put it together. But once it's uh, once it's done, it's gonna be awesome. Very simple. Matt space, heavy bags, weights simple. You know, we'll be able to train. We can chain wrestlers here. We can chanin jiu jitsu here, we can chain anything here. Yeah, you can come down and do your fucking plotties or whatever. Can I put a plot machine down there, a little reformer machine. No, but you can. Okay, you can use it when I'm out there. Okay, you clean up me clean up after myself, do you dare? I can't even imagine the cesspool that's going to be doing that. I'm messy. But if you ever share a hotel room with this woman, I call it the painty bomb. As soon as she's in the room, raws everywhere, makeup everywhere, motions side of it, over the place, dude his bedside. So I feel like our bed is so clearly divided in half that your side of the bed, first of all, your pillowcases in your bedding is all covered and fucking drop blets of blood because your face is always bleeding. It's surprising glory. And there's like I scream bulls, there's like athletic non alcohol like beer cans, there's dip bottles. Your side of the bed gives me anxiety. I can't even Like today, I was like, oh, I went to go clean it, and I was like, no, I'm not cleaning this. I'm not doing it. It's a mess. I like you guys cream a bed sometimes. I have no problem with that. Just take it down in the morning. You can eat whatever the f I do. John, Now you're lying, okay, Can we talk eventually? Well that's the problem is the eventually because now we have a cat, because now there's there's like mice that we get arend now and then and I think the if I see one mouse upstairs, Shit's gonna hit the fan. Let's talk about this cat. First of all, I'm not a cat person. Cat's so good, per se. I don't know about cats. They're they're shifty. I feel like you can't trust them. They ship in the house in that litter box though, just I don't know. They're not just not a cat person, you know. So she just buys his cat without asking me. That's not true. I ran it by you and I said I don't want a cat, and then you went and bought them. Now he's here. So and it's a it's a main coon, which is like supposed to be one of the best mouse there cats. And it has six toes. Yeah, it's a six toed catsyl, big ass Paul. It looks like it catches met giant pause Mickey mouse hands. That's crazy. And they're gonna get he's gonna get huge. They get up to like twenty Yeah, he's already getting He's like when he hits the ground, you hear him. He hits with a thud. He's like he's like basically a little ferrel bobcat that lives in our house. Yeah, but she got this cat because she's afraid of mice. Because we had I mean, it's a house. It's old house. It's an old house back into the woods. And we are also like kind of in the city, so we run into a lot of circumstances. Every once in a while, you get a mouse, nobody do so we put like traps out, and you know I had to. You had the exterminatory guy and make sure that you know there's one or two mice here and there. It's unlocking one who goes and checks all the traps. And now that we counter a couple of dead mice and I deal with them and get rid of them. You didn't have to deal with the mice. But now, because she bought this giant sticks toad mouse killing machine, that's now your best friend. He is my best friend. I love this cat so much. She's going to kill mice and bring them to you. And while you're in bed reading a book, right before you go to sleep at night, he's gonna come up and drop the dead mouse, mouse guts hanging out, ears, all ripped off, tail flapping around. It's gonna drop it right on your on your lap. Okay, you're going to encounter many more mice. Now I cannot fucking wait until he brings you a dead mouse. Okay, ope to God that I'm there for him. You bring up a strong valid point, but I feel like you skirted around the part of the story where you were going to put over the cat. I gave him a sixty months probationary period. I kind of like him. You like him because you were saying I'm not a cat person. I don't like cats. For Trala La. He just kind of hangs out. He's a good guy. I mean, obviously I got the cat. I brought the cat into the family. I always loved cats as a kid. I always had them. I've had many cats. I've not had a cat for a really long time. So I was just kind of like, yeah, sure, let's get a cat. It'll kill the mice. I didn't know that he was going to become my best friend the way that he has sweet guy like. He follows me a room to room like a dog. He cuddles me in bed like I wear him like as a scarf when I go to sleep. He's a sweet guy. I love him. He just he hangs out. He's Jill. He's very good, good guy. Um okay, quickly to just wrap this up to circle back to another wrestling thing. I mean, I think we're getting closed. We've been talking for a while. You got more shit you on today. I don't know I'm just getting Oh okay, well, fuck, keep it spinning, keep the mic hot, baby um bleeding so much during your matches. Let's talk about the Texas Death Match with you and Hangman, Adam Page. This was number four for you guys. I think the chemistry between the two of you is incredible. You guys have had some really great matches. However, the Texas Death Match definitely made me feel a little bit sick to my stomach. The fork to the forehead of Hangman while you had him in that reverse triangle, it was upsetting. I didn't like it him in my stomach. Turn talk to me about blood in a match in your affections for it makes me very happy that it was upsetting to you, because yeah, I loved everything with the Hangman stuff. You know, I like to experiment with things. You know. I'm not sexually that too, Like I give zero fucks about convention or the way things are supposed to be done or formulas or whatever. I'm trying to explore new ways of doing things. People have like a certain idea in their head of like what a great match is. It starts out slow, and it builds and then we have a bunch of both inities or whatever, like what why can't you do a great match in three minutes? What if you could? I don't know, never been done before. That was the whole idea behind anarchy and the arena. They wanted to do a stadium stampede again, and I was like, I ain't doing that. That's how the conversation started anyway, It's like, ain't doing that whatever, But okay, well, if I was gonna do it, I would do it once in one take, live in front of the whole crowd. And that was anarchy there. Yeah, you know, so that's all I look at things. You try to go, okay, well, has anybody ever done it? Like this? And like simple stuff? You know, I'm not viking go I'm not like, has anybody ever done a trimble backflip? No not? He literally moves like a person with extra like limbs or something to have the same formula and so forth, like for instance, like I matching latch in La was right when he when he came back right yeah, And I was like, what you know, instead of like a typical formula that Bills was like kind of blueprint I used in my mind was the first Cody Guard brand t J deal show. Right, they start out and it's very very short. It's like a round and a half. Start out to throw and heat. Cody nails him at the end of the round, right him. The clock stopped and the round kind of seemed like it's SAYDJ. He kind of wobbled over to his corner. Round starts again. They go back at it. TJ wallops him like a head kick. Now he's kind of rocked, and then there seconds later rocks him. Aginn, it's over. So it went way hard to the left, way hard to the right. And that was it. There was no like up and down and this and that. It was just like foot to the gas pedal. Here we go. We're throwing bombs. We're going one hundred percent rising the get go way harder than the right, steering wheel way harder the left. It's over. So that's what I want to do. That I was like, I'm whoop, you're at like get on him. From the beginning would have been major peril. And then when it turns around, it just goes all the way through and boom, buckshot, I'm fucking done. Like he's just like over, you know, And that's boy, did accomplished, and yeah, I was very pleased with that. And you know, do you draw more inspiration for from MMA these days, then then you kind of do from for wrestling in terms of building your matches. But I get from it more so than anything is storytelling, because they do do a really great job. Yeah, and I'm not talking about like, oh, somebody broke into somebody's house and through they're belt in the river or yeah, yeah whatever. You know, Like storytelling is like striker versus grappler, veteran versus rookie, simple stuff and see how those stories play out. Because like every fight as a story, so and so got to the ground and dominated on the ground, or so and so was doing really good for four rounds and then he leon edwards. You know, yeah, last minute, hail Mary, head kick, It's over. That was the story. Like if you asked, like what happened in that, well, I'll say the story he was winning for four rounds and then right the last second head kick. It's not specific at MMA, like or even just combat sports, like every football game of course as a story. Yeah I'm not football expert or anything, but hey, what happened to the Bengals game last night. Well, they got out to a really big lead and then the other team chipped away at it and then they lost in the fourth quarter. That was the story. Or it was a defensive struggle, very low scoring game, or it was a very high scoring game. Every match has a story. The story can be whatever you want it to be. There are new rules, you know, people talk about psychology and storytelling and stuff there. Sometimes they don't even know what the fuck they're talking about. You know, the story can be anything. You know, wrestling can be anything. People talk about style. Right when I'm talking about styles, I'm not talking about like moves, because in twenty twenty three, everybody does modern moves. Influence from all over the world. Every single match, you know, we'll have like Luca Libre moves and stuff, you know, like head scissors and all this. You know, everybody does like modern moves. You know, when I think of style, I think more of like pacing and psychology and timing and so forth. Japanese style or like WW has a very specific style of mash you know, no matter who, no matter who's in the ring, and uh, I like to just kind of not really have a big game plan sometimes and just like see what happens, and I'm like, does that fake your opponents stressed out? Yeah? A lot of the times sometimes. So my character kind of am a real personality and the way I like to wrestle, in the way I do things, and just like me as a person, like I said earlier, very foot to the gas pedal. So for me, I'm not trying to waste a bunch of time, you know, I'm like Bell Rings, let's fucking go and went to the gas pedal until somebody runs off the road. Yeah, you know, I'm not trying to like stretch stuff out really really long. It just like it doesn't feel right to me. Yeah. Like I've been kind of developing my own new style. Like I'm not saying I invented a style, but I've just kind of been coming up with my proprietary blend. Okay, and Texas Death Match is a perfect example. We didn't adhere to like a formula, and those like Last Man Standing matches typically you can have like big long they can be kind of slow paced because they do big stunt bumps and then everybody just lays there for nine seconds like what we have going into ew with these Texas Death matches is a really cool thing, I think because they're really fast paced. From It started with me in Lance in Japan because right before I went out to challenge him, was this gonna be like a no d H match? Right? And I asked him? And just because Lance is from Texas, so it's like, let's just give it a different name something cool. I was like, what if I say Texas death Match and geta goes oh? I like, and I just said Texas death Match and we didn't even know what the rules were going to be. Yeah, I was. Then after that, then I went and looked up like the old school Texas Deathmatch rules and it's like you get a fall and then the ten count starts, which could be very drawn. So me and Lance decided and I was basically just knockout or submission and standing ten count right, So it was kind of like which was pretty unique for Japan because they don't do those, and the crowd really got with it, like seven eight you know. Yeah, So that was me and Lance did that in Japan, and then Tony had the idea to have a big knife for Lance in Texas Texas death Match too, with me and Lance, another badass match the same thing really really fast paced, not like drawing out big long slow and counts all the time. And then Cowboy did one with Lance, and he did one Cole, and then me and Hangman did one. Yeah, I feel like that's an AW staple match now. Yeah, pretty cool. And with those matches, like I kind of I don't love the feeling of like making people where they genuinely are shocked or don't know what's going on. Yeah, I don't like that. I mean I get it. It's stressed me out though. And you know, sometimes people go out there and they have a great match, and the crowd loves it, and they're there with the chance and they're there with the booing and the yayan and the cheering all at the right times, and the fans they're going along for the ride, but they can almost like anticipate they've rubbed this roller coaster two or three times, you know, and there's a great time. But you know, nothing was truly shocking. And the Texas Death Match with Hangman, nobody had any idea what was going to happen at any second. Like it was more of like this car's completely out of control and off the road and it's just going all over the place, like, for example, I brought a brick and smash his hand with it. Yeah, I was disgusting. Look, I didn't like bring the brick out and then do a bunch of hoop on this, like there was no brick in the ring and just one second, there's no brick in the ring. I just rolled out, god the brick, smash his hand like really quickly, and didn't give anybody any time to register, like, oh, he's got a brick, what's he gonna do? Like just all right, what's going on next? Instead of brick? Oh, I'm like what the fuck? Like I wanted it to happen so fast that their brain couldn't even register it. So they're like they makes people pay attention to going on. Yeah, So I couldn't have been I couldn't have been any or happy with that. And I was thinking, like the finish, I was like, man, I feel like that's really interesting. I feel like they're gonna go nuts if I hap out. So I wanted to make sure that like submissions were legal and fans understood that, And I was a little scared that they would be waiting on the ten out and like wouldn't notice that I submitted, right, but they were pretty clear about the rules. So I just had a feeling like I feel like they're gonna go fucking nuts if I tap out. That's the last finish they would expect. Yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah, So like I couldn't have been any happier with that whole Chefs cast, super and super easy. That's a good thing about like this year's Uh, I haven't been like overthinking anything or like not that I haven't been working hard because when I go out there, I bust my fucking ass. But I just kind of let the match come to me. I don't go out there and try and like playan out, Okay, what would make an epic match? I just go out there and I don't know if they might picked up that dog. I so hope that that was on there, like fucking like the corner of the room with Blue farting by us, that bastard. Um. Sorry, I keep going. You're saying about how you don't plot out every little thing you're gonna do, like your good story all at ten And for me, people that worked with me, and I've know everything is subject to change, right, we could plan out thirty spots. But once we get out there, I'm I, oh, no, never mind. You know, I do my thinking away from the ring four seven. I can tell when it's I love coming up with stuff. I love talking about ideas, shooting ideas back and forth with people, you know, like love training. You know, I'm twenty four seven thinking of shit and visualizing stuff, kind of putting it in my head to use for later. I do my thinking outside of the ring, and then when I get into the ring, I don't want to think at all. I just want to do yeah. Yeah. I kind of re prepare my brain and all these things and get them in my head before yeah, so that when the I mean the ring, they just come out naturally, be all fluid and loose. I don't want to think at all in the ring. Yeah, I just want to do, Yeah, let it fly. Let her fucking rip, bro. Yeah, That's the way I like to do things. It's it's it's fun, so much fun. It's funny because like I feel like a majority, I mean, I've had you obviously on here a bunch and you don't really do a ton of like long interviews, and I feel like you especially don't do a lot of interviews where you actually dissect your matches and talk about stuff like that. But I think this is probably pretty eye opening to a lot of people in terms of like how you how your mind works when it comes to wrestling, and obviously your passion for what you do is is pretty unmatched. Yeah. I generally don't like to talk too much about like how the sausage is made, yeah, because it's not like protecting secrets so much as it is like once you know how the trick's done, it's not as fun to watch it. It It kind of feels like I'm kind of ruining the stops a little bit. But also, like you know, fans love, you know, appreciating and understanding the art of what do you know? Well, I think it's also just like appreciating the thought that you put into it, because it's not something that just happens. You really do put so much thought and effort into what you do, and there's intention behind the things that you're doing, and there's stories behind the things that you're doing, And I just I think that's probably pretty cool for people to just understand the level of dedication that you have to your craft. Yeah, I definitely, and you're so cute. It's true. Well, I feel like we did. Is there anything else you want to talk about? We can. We've covered a lot of stuff. We've been on here for a while, and you want to go watch a show. I am. If you're listening to this, you're probably a way of Dyna mine every Wednesday rampage Fridays. We've been accused of sending the Young Bucks to the hospital. Okay, I can see where you would. I can see how you can come to that conclusion. Yeah, but that we are innocent until proven guilty. Okay, so don't just jump to conclusions that we attack the Young Bucks and sent them to the hospital. Thing about the Young Bucks and the Elite is that, you know, obviously there seems to be a lot of tension between us right now. But I have a lot of spect or the Young Bucks or you know, the elite guys. But the Young Bucks, for example, you know, they didn't follow anybody's path they created, They forged their own path and did things their way. And you know, a lot of people don't like the Young Bucks for one raiser or another, don't like Kenny or whatever, and they find all kinds of problems with them, and they don't because the way they do things isn't the set pattern or whatever that they think it is or whatever. It's a bunch of bunch of people who just love to hate, you know, the young Bucks because because they hate themselves. I guess, you know, I think, let's be very clear why these old timers and stuff they like to give the young Bucks shit and call them spot monkeys and standing super kicks and this and that whatever. They hate the young Bucks because you know, that's their own issue. BCC. We are not that. That is not our problem with the young Bucks or the elite. We have a deep respect for what they have done in the ring, and on some level even a kinship with the elite for the way they have forged their own path. And don't give a fuck what anybody else thinks, because believe me, I give absolutely zero fucks about anything right now. Just remember that, you know, if any beef, you know, over the coming weeks, sun Dynamites or rampages does escalate between the BCC and the Young Bucks, then Kenny, you know, we're not old guys with the podcast. Um okay, listen, John, thank you for joining me. Um. I think you're as handsome as ever, as delicious as ever. I think that your legs are the unsung heroes at the wrestling world. I think you should come back out in trunks one time, just really rock everyone's world. You know what the problem with that is, they're wrestled in tights in Japan, start with New Japan. But I didn't have boots yet because he's always wrestling trunks and boots. So I just want my wrestling shoes. I like grappling and training and wrestling shoes, but I don't like run the ropes and stuff, and you know, especially coming out of the crowd, and I just feel like, I'm like, it's a lot of leg very dainty wrestling shoes in there. They are dainty shoe, especially compared of the boots that you and I hate wearing wrestling birthday. Can't get comfortable in them anymore. I used to be used to it, but after so many years, you're just wearing the combat boots like I do. Yeah, I feel weird in anything but those. I think it would be like where the combat boots that I wear with tights, no or it looks weird. Yeah, it doesn't come. That's the reason I don't want tights. It's a footwear. Is I feel most comfortable wrestling and under armor, tactical boots and allow yoga pants. Yes, I would feel weird wearing tice. My feet would look huge and I would look like I would look like a court jester or something would be weird visually unpleasing. It would be weird. I'm just saying you've got a great leg. I think that you your whole wrestling years is great. I'm not telling you to change it. I'm just putting over your legs because people don't really know. I'm just saying I'm looking at them and they're a sculpted leg. It was very sculpted leg as well. I sure do know that you don't want You're right, not enough people know of my sculpted or you're hamstring out right now? Ready get my leg up there? Look at aky hamstrings. Oh my, I got stretch that hurts to do that kind of what's your first game in WW and talking about you know the new girl with hamstrings? Oh oh oh oh um. Okay, well let's go touch each other's legs and you want to go watch some poker face. We're all right, you know, no, you don't want to watch poker Face, but you want to watch. I appreciate you coming on here. You're a lovely man. Yep, thank you to my cute, delicious husband, father of my child, Jonathan. Appreciate him hopping on here with me, um and breaking desipose matches and all the things he loves about professional wrestling. This guy lives and breathes professional wrestling. We know this, we see it. I'm just letting you know, as his wife that when he's not in the ring and he's not on the road, that, uh, it really is his passion. It's the thing that he loves to do. He spent so much time thinking about the kind of matches he wants to have, not even just his own matches. You know, you heard him talking about working with Marina Schaffer, working with Lee Moriarty, working with Big Kas, like messaging Rickie Starks about stuff like whatever it may be. I mean, he's always kind of just thinking about the business and matches and characters and all that stuff. And yeah, I love that he is able to be there for people that need to pick his brain about stuff. Anyways, I just really love him. I think he's great. I think you guys do too. Thanks for hanging out guys. This has been the Sessions