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I don't get to be there all that often, but in my mind, I'm like, Nashville's my ship. I love it, And then I'm just like, great, Do I just think that? Is it real? Do I actually feel that way? But the truth is I do feel that way. It's a great, great city. We had so much fun down there with the crew from the volume with us. I went to do the star Cast event. Just great to get out there and see the fans again, to see some some friends, familiar faces, people I just haven't been able to see in such a long time. It's one of those things that just fills your freaking cup up. You know. I loved it. Got some interviews in the can If you've been following on social media, you see the people that I got to sit down with from uh C, J Perry Miro Srea and my guest today on this episode of the Sess Shans Now before we get to him. And we also have a vlog that's going to be coming out with our trip to Nashville. We went and did the damn thing. We got some Nashville hot chicken whoo whoo, which literally destroyed me four days. It just was like so hot, delicious though. Um we got the cowboy boots, the cowboy hat, Amy Duma Lida, she came out and hung out with me for a little bit. So that will all be dropping. So if you don't already allow and subscribe over on my YouTube page, go and do that. That's for all of the videos from this weekend will be living. But now we're talking about the podcast, so let's get into it. This was streaming on Fight TV. This will be up on our YouTube page at some point, but for now. The audio the gift of audio in Your Your Holes, the Reunion of the Ages me in the American Dragon. Brian Danielson got to hang out. It was so much fun, just having like a big crowd there and you guys were great. Quite a few people seem to turn up for this, so thank you for that. Much appreciated. Um. Everybody wants to see Brian, right, He's like, literally the best wrestler in the world. So the guy's a job brother. Thanks for the house. Let's get into it, guys. This is Brian Danielson. How are you feeling. What's going on with the I mean not a lot. You know, nothing's going on. I feel great. I hopefully look great. You look great. He looks great. Everybody give it up. He looks great. I was just yeah, I was just hoping for that, just baiting, just baiting people to just tell me I had to make up for the fact that I emasculated you before we watched out. Did emasculate me before we come out to this podcast? It's a strategy she has. I feel like she did that on Talking Smack too. I did not okay talking smack. I loved doing talking smack, and I get asked about talking smack all the time. It was one of those moments in my career where I was like, oh my god, this is the thing that I love doing. We weren't scripted wild West. We just got to like funk around. Did you can we say we can swear here? Yah? Nah? Come on, I've got kids, They're not gonna listen. They might fucking listen to this thing. And I my little boy's gonna fun somebody up. And I was just gonna be what is your memory of doing talking snacks? So I enjoyed it in the sense of sometimes I was trying to get fired, like bringing up fifting on on on talking smack, I was trying going on. I forgot about the hog doing a whole bit for weeks on end, and when they told me after I'd done it the first time, don't talk about James Ellsworth having a huge hog, and I would just bring it up constantly because I was so frustrated at not being cleared to wrestle that I was just I was ready to go. And also sometimes they would bring me to TV just to do talking smack. It was a hit television show. Of course they did. It wasn't so hit that they kept it going so now not to what we were doing, but it does still kind of exist to a degree. What do you mean it's still a shows it is? Right? No, I think it is. They do like raw talking talking snack's much different from what you and I were doing. Now looks like a polished in a studio show. We were like, we had like no backdrop. We had like Ryano was coming in dressed as Santa Claus and ship. Like nobody's accusing aj Styles of being a flat earther? Is that is that not happening on their shows? I'm pretty sure that's where it got ki Okay, okay, So I always love doing that show. But yeah, it was a really interesting time in your career where I was like, well, I'm reaping the benefits of working with a man who like it's a really special place when you like don't give a ship and you can just have fun you don't really care what the repercussions are going to be. So I was loving that, But I know for you it was like definitely a weird part in your career where it was like what's happening. Yeah, so there are parts of it that I really enjoy that really made me laugh. We had one episode it was really really great. Alexive List is on maybe she had just lost the championship or something like that. I don't remember exactly the thing, but I had said something to her and then she's also like, and the Patriots just lost the super Bowl. And but this was on a Tuesday. The super Bowl was Sunday. That's when they had that great comeback in the fourth quarter, and there was a writer in the back saying, see something about the Patriots. She didn't know what was going on, so she said in the Patriots lost. I was like, well, great news. I'm sure you've missed it. But the Patriots actually one and they came back, and she was just so like, uh, it was funny. This one is kind of the most epic thing. Yeah, for sure. Um, I mean, well, we don't need to like harp on this, but what is like your recollection of that show. In that moment when that was all going down with you, Mike, part of me like doesn't want to let the cat out of the bag, but part of me loves the story. Tell the story, tell the story tell the story. I think I think I think Mike may may have told the story already. So maybe the cats already out of the bag, left the bag and in the alley. Okay, So MS was very frustrated he was Intercontinental Champion and wasn't being on TV much. I was very frustrated that they weren't clearing me to wrestle, despite numerous doctors having cleared me to wrestle, and and you know, I understand why, but that's a long story anyway. So just getting to the point of my frustration. So we came up with this thing. And the original plan that Mike and I had come up with was I was gonna fucking deck him. We wanted to get under each other's skin so much that it was plausible that I would legit be angry enough to punch him. And so that was the intent. And the idea was either they're gonna fire me, or it's gonna make people want to see the match so much that they're going to have to clear me to wrestle. But then Mike did such a great job. Intuitively, I felt it was better to walk off and leave him because it was also like, God, this is so good. Leave him with his heat, and it was like, so he was so good, he was he was magic. And I think that's the thing. Mike and I don't like each other legitimately, but Mike is also somebody that I respect a lot for working very, very hard, and so like when he was just going off and I was like, this is so good. Be so good if I punched him, but maybe it would resonate more and be better for him. So that's that's what happened. So yeah, and then everybody, including Maurice, was like, why this going on? Why is this happening? Where they cut to me, I'm like, and we're going to take a quicker a break. I'm not really sure what's happening here. So if you would actually decked him, I might have blacked out because it was so tens sitting between the two of you and I'm like, something that's happening here. If you'd actually physically attacked him, yeah, I would have passed out on the desk. So I guess thanks for that. But it would have been get television too, It would have been great television. It might have gotten canceled, and I'm but I might have gotten fired. It would have been. I don't know, there would have been pluses in mine. Well, Joe got canceled and you need to work there anymore anyway. So here we are, here, we are here, we are Okay. What was that last year like for you with w W B Oh It's magic? Uh? I mean you laugh thinking that I'm lying, but it's not. Nobody else has said this. I loved wrestling in front of no people. I specifically loved wrestling in the performance center with no noise because it was like, whoa, this is wild? Was it? You and AJ did like a two out of three false match or something like that. That was like, yeah, yeah, so I'm kind of proud of that. But that wasn't That wasn't what I'm into because there were people there. They had the people who were trained, Yeah, the n x T people who are like, they're not really cheering like any like a crowd would like emotionally, right, So they're just cheering because they're supposed to cheer. And then when it goes to commercial break, we stop and everybody just stops and everybody just sits down, and then I'm like, okay, what are we what are we gonna do next? Right, and uh, but I love like the performance Center with no thunderdome. Just like me and Drew Gulak, We're just doing doing wild stuff. I wrestled Claudio and that. We were just talking about that the other day. It was a lot of fun. And then the um I was a little bit a part of the creative team. What was that like? Because I remember hearing that that you were part of the creative team and like, how did that come about? And like even if you like accept that position, we all know what that position can be, Like yeah for you. But so the pandemic was happening. Somebody in one of my segments. It was right before Bree was about to give birth to our son Buddy, and it was like a month before that. Somebody in one of my segments had gotten COVID and they called me and said, hey, you were in a segment with somebody who got COVID. A bunch of people in the segment got COVID. You might have COVID. I tested. I didn't have COVID. But then I said, I'm probably not coming to work. I requested. I didn't say like, hey, I'm absolutely not coming to work. I'd say like, hey, I don't think I should come to work. My wife's pregnant. We did you know, uh do soon? And so so anyways, um, so they were completely fine with that. They were great with that. And then Bruce Richard called me and uh and said, hey, I know you're gone, but would you like to be a part of the creative team, be a part of the meetings and stuff like that that they were doing all through Zoom and all that kind of stuff. Anyways, and I said yeah, and so I did that. I loved it. Um. I know a lot of people have talked a lot of crap about writers or thankless job. Yeah, it's a thankless job. I think there's a lot of smart, fun writers, absolutely that I loved working with. I always think that too, because like you see those writers and like obviously they have amazing resumes. They are smart, brilliant people. You're just working within certain circumstances, but they're amazing and so and like there was a there's a writer. I hope he still works there. I think sometimes people sometimes reach out to me via text, but I never checked my phone and then I'm like, I have over three thousand unread texts texted you months and months ago to do this show and texts. Text is a bad way to get a hold of me. Yeah. Yeah, Actually texting Bring is the most efficient way to you always set it to me for John, It's so not fair. Yeah, well we've got the game figured out. Uh yeah. So like Ryan Callahan, who was um one of, if not the lead SmackDown writer at the time, we would talk about SmackDown sometimes on Monday, like, hey, I'd like to run some ideas by you, and we talked, but then we just talk afterwards. I love Ryan, like I love dealing with Bruce Pritchard, Like I know some people talk bad about Bruce. I love Bruce like uh so, I mean I really enjoyed it. I loved working with the writer's Jen I forget Jen. Oh my gosh, Jenna's hilarious. Yeah, and she won two Emmy's yea. Yeah. So the people that wan't to talk to it on the writing team, they are very qualified, right, Yeah. Well not only are they qualified, they're fun people to be around if you if you're if you can accept that they're not wrestlers, right, and they're just like, hey, this is a fun person to talk to, Like I found I found God curse, curse, curse us. He's the best. Yeah, so many, so many people are just so much fun. So what went so you had such a great time you have. I mean you look at the career you were able to have a w W. You got to do so many amazing things. What came down to you deciding two part ways with them? So people think I had two options between w W and a W, and the reality was that I was considering three options, which was w W, a W, or just not being a full time wrestler anymore and just being more of a full time dad. Um. When I told that to breathe with the money that each company was offering me, she I think she wanted to kill me. She might she might have she might have wanted to kill me. So that was so. But really it came down to a little bit schedule um, a little bit of creative freedom, and also just this idea of I had been there for so long, maybe something a little bit new would be fun. I also kind of wanted to bleed and and so, which is a weird thing to say. Unpacked that a little bit. So what is the deal? There is something? So if you were to ask me to bleed right now in front of however many people we have, I would say, no, thanks, that doesn't sound like fun. You get in front of a thousand people in the moment inside a wrestling ring, bleeding, there's something about it that just makes you feel very alive. Right, It's just is it like the blood in your eyes and your mouth fighting for your life a little harder. I don't know what it is. There's just something to it. There's a magic to it that I would like to conduct some kind of cross study. You guys, you should. I mean, you should ask your husband, because he bleeds every match, most of the most of the time, not on purpose. He came hold last night. I fell asleep early last night, so he slept on the couch to not wake up the dogs and my daughter and all that. And he was like sleeeping the couch and his hoodie up, and I just pulled it back to what are we working with here today? But he was okay, he's fine. Nothing all good. But yeah, the bleeding thing is just this other I don't understand it, but you do it every month. I oh, well, he's right? Is that he's right? Wait a second, but he talked about fifting. Did we just said fisting? There wasn't an Yeah. I mean it's just like it's a natural part. Mine's natural. Mind's not like self inflicted. Does that make a difference. Yeah, you probably don't enjoy it nearly as much like side symptoms that come with it. I'm in a really bad mood. I'm bloating, upset. It's all bad, all bad. Um. Okay, So you wanted to go to a w You wanted to do this different style. You kind of wanted to just especially at this this age as well, to like see what this I don't want to call it like a last run, but like really strong years of like kind of being in your prime right of just just kind of figuring out, like what else can you do? You're a man that is like a wrestler's wrestler. Also, I don't know if I like read this somewhere was an option of you maybe staying with WWW and also doing dates with New Japan. Yeah, I think they were trying to make that work out, which it eventually did not work out, so um, which I think is good for everybody definitely. So what was the moments like between you leaving w W E and then going to a w Well. I took five months off and it was great because I didn't really watch wrestling or think about wrestling for kind of the first time in my life. Um, and I just spent time with my kids and we were in Tahoe and we were hiking and we were just doing It was amazing, which is why the third option of not going anywhere was very appealing to me. I get it. I get it when you get to spend time with your kids like that and just kind of step away and you've already been able to scratch that itch for so long. I mean, of course there's things that you want to do and all that. It when you see your kids, you get to hang out with them. I definitely get Like, even times for me, I'm like, should I just hang at home with this baby right now? Because it's really a good time. It's lovely, it's so so nice. Um, let's go back to when you retired. What what all went into I mean, I know, obviously the medical side of things of you having to retire, but having to go out and actually like cut that promo. We were in Washington when you retired as well, right, your mom was in the crowd, my mom was in the crowd, A couple of my friends were in the crowd. Uh. It was weird because m Vince McMann had called me on the Saturday. It was a Monday when I came out and gave the speech. He called me on a Saturday and said, we're not going to clear you. I'd like you tunet announce your retirement on Monday because people at that point it's getting close to WrestleMania. People are wanting me to come back. I'm wanting to come back, Like, let's just get everything out of the way, don't give them hope, and uh, what better place to do with than in Seattle where you're from. That sort of thing. And at first I was like, I gotta think about it, and then I talked to Bree, like they're not gonna let me wrestle, I might as well be able to do it in front of my friends and family in the building where my dad last saw me wrestle, which was like very emotional for me. Um and so yeah, so it was. It was it was really hard day. The hard day. So even leading up to that day, they're like having that conversation with Vince and swallowing that pill of like I've got to walk away from this right now. Like, what were those conversations you were having with yourself, the conversations you were having with free, with your family, Like what I can't imagine somebody saying you can't do this thing you love anymore. Yeah, So it was hard, but it wasn't as hard as it sounds, and especially with how much I love wrestling, because once I did the speech and I stepped away, I wasn't around wrestling, so I started, oh God. But then we had to film Total Bellas Jesus. Okay, that's the part I forgot. Okay, So then shortly after this, so I have to give this retirement speech, and then I have to go live in John c in his house because because we're filming, we're filming Total Bella's I hate hate, hate, hate, hate. I don't hate many things. I hate filming reality about it, all of it. It's just like you're constantly changing clothes on the same day to go film something, to pretend like it's a different day. This is supposed to be reality. Can't I just wear my my same clothes And they're like, no, you cannot just have a uniform like John and I also it was really hard because you know, like when you're going through something like retiring, this thing that you love gets taken away from you. You'd like to be around friends and family. Was on the road full time with wrestling, so she was leaving on like Friday's not coming back to Wednesday's we'd film Wednesday Thursday. She leaves on Friday. I'm in John cena guesthouse. There's all these rules, I've got the dog like it's it's It was just like, I love John, I think John John is great, but that's not the ideal thing to be in. And then the they manufacture these arguments that sometimes turned into real arguments. And then one of the real arguments got real real, and then it was like, oh Jesus, I don't want to be here anymore. So I just left, and uh yeah, it was. It was bad. You and John had an argument. No no, no, no no. It actually started with me and Nicole having an argument about because Brie and I had bought this property, we were going to build a house. I wanted it to be a smaller house. Nicole wanted it to be a bigger house. It's not your house, it's my house. Then it got into this thing about oh gosh, yeah, this let's up, let's get into it. It got into this thing about deserving stuff right, about deserving this or deserving that or whatever it is. And my opinion on all of it is that none of us deserve these things that we've gotten. For example, I've met a lot of fantastic wrestlers along the way who never got to where I was purely because of luck, good or bad. Good luck on my side, bad luck on their side. When you look at somebody like Nigel McGinnis, who, in theory, the only reason he wasn't me or more successful because he was honest about tearing his bicep. And I lied about concussions and seizures. And that wasn't a thing that I went into the doctor. And when they when they're asking you these questions, it wasn't like I was thinking like, oh, I got a lie to him about my concussion. Thing they asked, and in my part of your brain that just reacts on instinct, they said, oh no, you know, I'm good and like. And his thing was like, well, I gotta tell him about my bice up, terr or whatever. And that's the difference between me getting into where I got and then him never having to match in w W Right. So, anyways, when we get back to the deserving stuff, somebody deserving a bigger house when a bigger house is worse for the planet and all that kind of stuff, and Brie and I had talked and that's didn't even seem to be what you wanted anyways, and then we get into this big thing and then just left. I didn't go to Kathy's wedding, which I feel really bad about. Yeah, yeah, Oh I didn't know that. Oh it was bad. Yikes. How long did it take for you guys to make up? I mean, you Nicole are really close. We apologized and had like that day, but it had put me in a mental state where I was I mean, if there was if there was every that's the closest I've ever come to like, Okay, this is yeah, I'm done with all of it was written down. It was not let's talk about the worst day of your life? Can we can we talk about that? Do you like to get people mootional in the show Loves for Sure? Yeah? I don't get super emotional about it. Now, No, I love my life. Now you've got a great life, got a great life, great life, hot wife, cute kids, wife, cute kids. Yeah, good career, um. And not to take away from those amazing, beautiful things, but you mentioned the concussions and the seizures. UM. When you're going through those things, I mean, you were just out recently with injury again. What what kind of goes into that? What goes into you being medically cleared again? What is that process? Well? So so seeing a neurologist, um, and it was interesting this last one. He said, you know, after you start feeling better, we're gonna have to have a serious talk about your long term, uh, your long term health. And I thought what that meant was, after you feel better, I'm gonna talk to you about not restling anything, okay, And that's that's kind of where I thought he was going. And then my brain scans came back, so goddamn good' not a're not a single person could say anything about about it, you know, And I think, you know, it's interesting because, um, I do put a lot of work and effort into keeping my brain healthy and doing things outside of of normal stuff to keep my brain healthy, and so so I think that's pain dividends a little bit, and so tell me about some of that stuff though, because okay, so you have to retire due to the concussions, due to all these circumstances, and yeah, you took matters into your own hands. Everyone told you not to wrestle. You ended your thing. What does that mean? What did you say everybody told me not to wrestle. That's a bit of a stretch because I was cleared. But that was the frustrating part is that I was cleared by several neurologists, but not the one that mattered most, and then the and then there were two neurologists otherwise who wouldn't clear me, and so it became like kind of a mixed issue air on the side of caution type thing. Um, but you know, the developments in medicine and science are so much better now and so, uh there's a lot of stuff like hyperbaric oxygen therapy and all this kind of stuff that how often do you do that? Like? What is that I hear these words and I don't actually know what that is. Yeah, I don't think anybody cares, but you do care. It's uh yeah, it's being placed in uh uh like kind of a tube where it's one point five atmospheres of pressure, lots of oxygen being flooded into your brain. A lot of the military is doing it for people who have had concussions and all that kind of stuff in military things and that sort of thing, but it's not FDA approved yet, so it's not for example, I mean, all that stuff is the long process. So anyways, I did that where a hundred sessions of that where I'm in there for an hour and a half each time. That sounds like a claustrophobic nightmare. Oh I love a good uh, uncomfortable claustrophobia. I think it's a good chance to like really practice zen in meditation. Um, and that's a real thing. Like you put me in a literally giving me like anxiety, I'd have a heart attack. You put me in an uncomfortable position, my first thing is to freak out, and then shortly after that, I'm like, can I stay calm in this position? And in most cases it's yes. But there. Yeah. So when I was before I had my next surgery in two thousand fourteen, they were, um, god, I forget what it's called the long needles. Oh um, yeah, they were doing they were doing something to alleviate the pain. No, not not acupuncture, right, no, no, no, yeah, we're talking to good style. Epidural style, yeah, epidural style. And so it was like, uh, so they had me. I was faced down and you know, they numb up your whole back, so I'm not supposed to feel anything. And then all of a sudden, I got the worst pain I've ever felt in my life and the needle of this giant needle had hit the nerve and uh. And the doctor it was like, oh God, like he said, oh God, and then I screamed out fuck and uh. And then then they're like, well, we're already here. Do you want us to do it? Do you want us to try again? And I was like okay, and then then they finished and then they come up to me with all these waivers. They said, we forgot to have you sign the waiver and I'm just trying to like like I'm trying to just like not die. And so so I signed the waivers and uh and yeah, finding then in that moment, I was not I was not capable. That's horrifying. Yeah it happens. Yeah, I was already in such a state of panic when I was getting my epidural that. I was like, just do whatever you gotta do back there, whatever you will get through this. It's all going to be fine. Um. Okay, so you're in like the hyperbaric chambers. What other things are you doing that help your brain help your body? I mean you obviously do a ton of research, a ton of reading. You're a pretty smart guy. What else you do? Yeah, So I think, um, diet I think helps brain function. Um. There's a lot of that that I probably don't want to get into because I don't want to get people the wrong information. I am not a doctor. I am not somebody to listen to for advice. You guys all sign the waiver, right, But I think there's some diet terry choices that you can make that affect brain health. I also think constant learning is good for neurological circuits in your brain. Um, and I think you know, there's there's things about like, okay, cardio, like thirty five minutes of cardio at like a hundred and twenty beats per minute. Um, this is getting too deep into this stuff, but it helps your brain recover. So I've never been somebody who's into steady state cardio. I like doing sprint work. I like doing that sort of thing. But apparently the steady state low cardio is good for improving brain function. Interesting, So all that kind of stuff, you know, just a lot of the stuff on longevity science about uh, staying away from Alzheimer's and all that kind of stuff that you can look up and research now. I mean there's a lot of great information on it that they've advanced in the last ten years. And even just that I think also will improve people people's brain who have had concussion issues and so so yeah, all that kind of stuff I think. Uh, but it's also fun to learn new things. It's fun. Like I learned how to speed read a couple of years ago. How do you learn to speed read? Oh God, I'd have like a ruler on each line, like trying to just like make the most of it. What do you do? Yeah, some people think speed reading is skimming, and it's not so. Uh So I'm at right now over five hundred words per minute, which is most people on average read two hundred words per minute. John F. Kennedy apparently read a thousand words a minute, so I mean they're still room for am move. Did you gather that it's amazing. So it's amazing what you can learn if you read books instead of look at your phone. I think that that's like a real thing. So one of the things people ask me about social like like like you know when they talk to me about social media. Uh and I especially like some of the younger guys in the locker room who really love social media and all that kind of stuff. And my point of view on it is this, if you're looking to it for if you had a good match, how good is my match? Let's look at Twitter to see. If I was doing a uh PhD in psychology, I wouldn't submit my paper to the people on Twitter to see if it was good. I would ask I would have probably asked my professor. Likewise, just as far as general information, I think most people spend less than five minutes crafting a tweet. Oh I do that all the time. I'm like, where's that edit button? So it's like it's not something people have put a ton of thought into. Whereas, for example, a a great non fiction book take Sapiens by val Noah Harari. Right, so that guy has spent his entire life learning the history of humanity and put it into one book that you can read in. I don't know. It's a pretty thick book. So it takes me about a week, so most people it might take a month. But even just reading, if you spend an hour on Twitter a day, spending an hour on Sapiens, you would get so much more better for your brain. I feel I actually staring at the screen, staring at scream. It's so bad for your brain, and it's so bad for your like happiness in the idea of like people are less patient now, um people, Paine, there's a great book called Station Um that came out this year that was really good. Uh so, yeah, there you go, guys, has been our ted talk. Yeah. So if somebody asked me, somebody asked me, man, I'd like to I'd like to know more stuff. Well, get off your phone, right the great books. Fan Duel has an all new mobile gaming app, fan Duel face Off vanduel. Face Off is where you compete in quick, fun games against other real people for real cash. It is all sorts of games that you're familiar with, like a home Run, Derby, Wheel of Four, in puzzle and strategy games with more on the way now. Contests are action packed and lasts between two to five minutes, so that you can play on your couch, waiting in line, during a commercial break, wherever, and on your schedule. 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Flew that night, no, flew the next morning from Pittsburgh to Texas, slept in, got all these text messages on my phone at like three pm. Where are you you should be at the building and uh and I was like okay, and then um, they kind of let me say whatever I wanted, you know, and just saying you're cleared, Like you know. I was very lucky in the sense of for a lot of my time I would collaborate with writers. I wasn't just given a script and said hey, say this and um and that was really nice. It was fun. So I so, yeah, so that was it. And then um, let's just like rewind here for a quick second to you having that conversation with Dr Maroon. It wasn't a conversation. He had already left. Leave you a fucking memo. I did actually write me a very nice note. Dr Maroun and I have a great relationship. And you would think it would be different because he was the doctor who wouldn't clear me. But I also knew that he was looking out for my health and the best interest in me, and so so yeah, I have a It's really weird because you have these conflicting relationships with people as far as like he is not clearing me, I desire to be cleared. You'd think we would have conflict, but we don't. We came to an understanding the same thing with like me and Vince I think it actually made my relationship with vincecent Man stronger. Yeah. Probably, it's talked to him so much more. Yeah yeah, yeah, and then like also being clear about why he's he's not clearing me or all that kind of stuff. And then and then when you really talk to people, um, I think even people who have very different opinions than you, for example, Mayor Mayor Kane and I have very differing, yeah, very very differ frain Um political opinions, But when you come to talk to him and like really talk to him, I think the differences are like social media aggravates the differences rather than makes you feel like most of us are pretty similar and most of us want the best for everybody, but think may think different things are better because of this or because of that. So yeah, yeah, no, for sure, for sure. That's been an interesting Followers of late um a w the night that you debuted, you and Adam Cole same night. How did you feel being out in front of a new crowd coming back as the American Dragon? Brian Danielson. It was cool. I mean just the energy of it was awesome. So it was just yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was weird, though, because I was in like the it was in like a trailer, right in a trailer, like waiting, and then like sometimes people would come in and sometimes they wouldn't, and so I was just like, oh, so I go and do this thing. And then all of a sudden, I'm meeting all these new people right after, and it was really really stressful because I'm bad at remembering names. Blackpool Combat Club. When you like, how did this idea come together for you guys to be working together? It started really with you and John, and then it's obviously branched out to you guys having this amazing group, but starting with you and John, it came about just very organically, and it was just this idea of how do we make me and John's match more interesting? When John came back. The original idea was, Okay, you guys get into a conversation, you're watching the matches, and then you know, you're like I want you or whatever it is. And I was like, what's more interesting is if my original idea to fight him, or was not to fight him, would just be to join him. Well, why do I want to join him to make wrestling better? Well? What else could we do? And then like in my head, I'm thinking like, Okay, how could I convince him? And I'm not just trying to fool him that I actually want him to do this thing. So then I cut a promo and saying, like, imagine the world that we could create if like you and I team together and we take some young guys and we take them under our wing. We teach him how this, how this, how this business should be goddamnit. And like, uh, and when we got to the back after the thing, John was like, yeah, you were pretty persuasive out there, and then I think persuasive enough that we just joined. We're just joined together after we fought. So yeah. Yeah, So that's kind of how it all came about. And the serendipitous timing of William Regal becoming available for you guys, I mean the story obviously. I mean, Regal is such a common thread throughout your entire career, same with John Um and for him to become available to come in and work with you guys, yeas, and uh, even without Blackpool Combat Club or whatever, I just like being able to see him every week, right, Like he's uh, he's more of a mentor to me than most people know, if you want something that's a little on the emotional side. So my dad struggled with alcoholis in my entire life and that's why I've never drank anything like that. And that was something that I always really struggled with. William Regal because he struggled with addiction in the past. Help me learn to love my dad without trying to change him, like just learned to love him as as he was and um, and so that was so just being able to be around Darren every week is just like a it's a real gift. Was that something that was done purposefully or is just something that you were able to kind of make that correlation after spending that much time. No, I mean Darren and I talked. He talked about it because there were times when I was like, you know, I'm trying to trying to do this for my dad or trying to do that for my dad and all that kind of stuff. And then he said, listen, you can't make him want to change, right like until he wants to do it himself. And then he and I had these talks and that sort of thing about that sort of thing, and it just really transformed my relationship with my dad. So the last ten years of my dad's life, we were so much closer than we were before. And you know that that's something that you can't I couldn't think him enough that, you know. Tell me more about your relationship with your dad. You guys what you guys would go fishing a lot. Obviously you spent long time. So so my dad was a big hunter, which, uh, which I startled with as a kid. We have a great picture of UM. I don't know if they put it in the book or not. I don't remember, but there's a great picture in the book, but I don't there's a great picture, yeah, with the fish. So he takes me and my sister fishing. My dad and my sister are both like smiling with this big fish, and there I am crying on the side, and it's just like one of those things. I've always struggled with the idea of h with that sort of thing. But my mom and my dad did a great job of inspiring me to love me feature and that's also I think one of the things that's helped me mentally. If you talk about things like depression or anything like that, UM, being able to get outside amongst trees and all that kind of stuff just helps me get back to centered, you know. And so yeah, so we did a lot of like hiking, camping, that sort of thing. Brie has a hard time with h with the idea of sleeping on the ground in a tent. So I don't think we're ever going to take our family on camping trips unless it's just me and probably just Buddy because glamping maybe that's what she said. She's like, I'll be in the glamping like lamping. What's glamping? And then I was I looked it up, but I was like, oh, yeah, that's uh. To be fair, I keep trying to convince John to go camping too, but he doesn't want to sleep on the ground because his body is beat up. It's a different situation, but I'm trying. I'm fighting for it. You know, my body feels great. Yeah, yeah, I can sleep on the ground right now. Well, it's probably like that hard surface helps too a little bit. Yeah, I don't think so. Um, what other things did your parents instill in you that are things that you're so conscious of now as a parent. So they got divorced when I was young because of my dad's alcoholism, Like my mom still loved my dad, but just better for us. But despite that and probably them having animosity towards each other at different points, they never talked bad about each other ever, So we were you know, you see some people whose parents were divorced and the parents might talk bad about the other parents or whatever. But my dad he would say this to my sister even until the day, Like she would say something and complain about her husband to him, but he said, don't throw dirt. Right. So it's like, I always try to even people I dislike. It doesn't do you any good to talk bad about people, right. So it's like if you don't like somebody that man, that's fine, you know what I mean, But there's no reason to like, oh this person, what an asshole? You know what I mean? Like I can tell you all that I I don't like them is but in saying that, like I'm not gonna say as an asshole. I'm gonna say that dude works super hard. And so yeah, so there's there's just that those sort of things. My mom, it's such a hard worker. She uh, oh, my mom. When I was reading your book, hearing about like your mom, like she she was superman. She was superwoman and not superwoman, so in the sense of like, UM, So when I was going through high school and all of a sudden, my mom and dad got divorced, so she tried getting different jobs or whatever, it is, realized that she wanted to help people. Got her degree in psychology. But while she was going to she was going to college at the same time I was going to high school. She like had to start at like math, like which you don't even get credit for, so she was having to start kind of below the stuff you even get credit for. UM went to college the whole time I was in high school, while we're working two jobs while also taking my sister and I did we both played sports all the time. So she's well and while also making us feel loved and that we weren't like some sort of nuisance or anything like that. Like I don't know my mom. My mom was incredible and then she ended up getting her master's degree. UM has helped a lot of people, and that's amazing. Like I feel like, I mean as much as like you like rattling those things off, but like actually I think I appreciate it so much more as a mom, as as as a dad, as a dad with two kids. I can't like you were telling me I had to start going to college and working to like minimum ways jobs and then be stressed about finances. Actually there was one point, I think it was my junior year of high school. Um my mom collapsed on a walk because she was so stressed. And it's just like, but she never wore the stress to us. She never took the stress out on us. It wasn't like she was ever mean to us. Like so I always think that too, like when I think of like my mom, my parents clip and I was really unto and um, yeah, I mean we went we went camping, We went on these little trips. She was working, you know, a million different jobs. But never did we ever feel that stress or that we didn't like have the things that we needed. And yeah, now being a mom like that like hindsight where I'm like, holy sh it, like the things that she was able to pull off so seamlessly. Yeah, and she she didn't really date either, so it wasn't like there wasn't like this uh so, and I mean she had to sometimes it'd been lonely and you know that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, she didn't really. Yeah, we love you guys. I love you guys. Okay, back to a e W in Blackpool Combat Club. Let's talk about Claudio getting that call Claudio Claro. He was just in here, so strong, Claudio. That's a song we made up years ago about him. It goes like this. If you guys ever want to try to chant it at a show, it goes like this, Claudio, so sweet, so strong Claudio. And I'm gonna talk about about one person. I'm gonna talk about about Eddie Kingston. You know why because Eddie Kingston always talks a bad about me, and the only thing that I have to say to that is that he also hates Claudio. So that's probably not a reflection on me, that's a reflection on him, because who could possibly hate Claudio? How could you hate Claudia possibly hate Claudio? He's just the best? Was this sort of um, that kind of blessing in disguise in the way of let's get Claudio in here to a W. It was such a no brainer for him to become a part of Blackpool Combat Club. What was the conversations that you were having with Tony? This was your idea? Yeah, yeah, but everybody wants to work with Claudio. Obviously, it's not like it's that far of a stress. But for Forbidden Door, when it was very clear that I wasn't going to be ready for Forbidden Door, I called Tony and I was like, Hey, I have a great idea, put Claudio in my place. We should sign or I didn't say we should sign Claudio. I didn't know Claudio was signed, but I said, I'm sure Claudio would just come in to do a spot, all right, And I've talked to his agent. I don't think he's just going to come in into a spot. And I was like, oh, okay, he said, but just so you know, don't tell anybody I've already signed him. So oh, I was already there. He was already there, all right, Great, are we gonna expand Blackpool Combat Club? I don't know. Aren't you in control of this thing? What's going on? I'm in control of very little in my life. I don't control where I live, I don't control what I do on a day to day basis. I got to control yesterday, Yes, would you do nothing? I did nothing? Do you mean like he's like flew in and like we're in a hotel room to do nothing. Well, because we live on the West Coast, didn't make any sense for me to fly from Boston to the West Coast where my kids weren't weren't even going to be at the house, and then fly back out here on the on the Friday. So I flew in Thursday, and then yesterday I had nothing to do besides work out. So I worked out and then I should come over to the Airbnb. I'll pass the baby off to you. Nope, come on, Nope, not interesting, Nope, not interested. I love your baby, not interested? No, thank you. What does this run mean to you, this version of your career? Um, you getting to have these matches that you want to have working with some young talent, being that mind, both in the ring and in the locker room, working with Tony. What does this all mean to you right now? I mean it doesn't mean anything. You're so weird to interview. Yeah, well, it's hard because people ask these questions, what does this mean to you? And what? It doesn't mean anything other than being very grateful that I'm able to do it, because like I'm able to wrestle the way that I want to wrestle and really enjoying it. I'm getting to work with people that I love being around. I'm getting to interact with people that I've never met before, who have been really fun to interact with, and who has caught your attention the most in terms of not when someone's caught your attention, maybe somebody just kind of caught you off guard, but you're like, oh, ship, this person is here, this person can do this awesome thing that I was not aware of. Well, so I had kind of watched it and I saw people could do awesome things. So I wasn't really surprised by anybody being awesome. I like people who are fun. I love being surprised that people are fun. Right. I came in, I came into the locker room. Your ship head in the locker room. To me, I think, your ship head, what do you mean? You're like, you're like a river, You're like kind of working with people all the time. No, I'm not working with people. I do. I came in. I came in and everybody was on their phones in the locker room. That's not That's not what I want in the last three years of my career. I don't want to spend in the locker room with a bunch of young guys looking at their phones like this. So, you know, we start conversations about flaccid penises, and we talked about flaccid penis is a sexually. We are not talking about anything that would be considered perverted or anything like that. It's just amongst the medical it's the boys talking about flaccid penises. Sounds like a blast, great time, Yeah, yeah, okay, interesting? Yeah, what else is next for you? When you think about the other side of wrestling? There was a point in time did you actually go back to school or you were thinking about going like actually, yeah, well so I had signed up for a perma culture design class that was I mean, that's only two weeks. But but then no, I got accepted into a SU and actually got a scholarship because of my previous grades at Grace Harvard Community College, where I have I almost have an associates degree. With anybody with an associate degree, no that you can't do much with an associates degree, but I have. I'm five credits away, and the five credits I'm missing is in health and physical education. Great, well, can't you like speed read your way through that? I mean, back in two thousand five when I was close to competing. The online courses didn't have health and that, you know, those ones, so I would have had to physically be there and I couldn't do it. But yeah, but I got a scholarship to a s U in the environmental science program. But then I couldn't do it because then they brought me in as the GM, which also made me. When we're talking about that period of talking smack where I was a little cantankerous. That's a Vince word if I've ever heard of, is it? I like to think it's my word when you were GM, because I would often have to start the show without you, wait for you to just come flying in like a bad out of Hell, get miked up and jump on there real quick. We did it. 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What what did you learn the most there that that you're using when you got to the main The main stage being on the Independence in general, just teaches you to be very adaptable, to be able to show up to a building. Actually, the first time I ever wrestled John, um my flight got the laid out of Seattle. I Uh, I changed in the car on the drive from the airport to the building, walked in, had never met John, walked in straight to the ring. Did my entrance from the car to the ring? Wrestled this man I'd never wrestled before? And then uh, and then yeah, I have a quick follow up to that. What was it like when you meet John for the first time? Because he kind of keeps to himself so much, you kind of do your own thing. Did you guys get on right away? We didn't really have a chance to talk. It was like we did the match. I was like, hey, Wow, this guy's great. And then I go to the back. I see trade he smothers, he's He tells, me, oh, man, look I got uh I got all these NASCAR shirts. I bought him for a dollar a piece. I'm selling them for five And said, oh, that's great. How many of you sold, Tracy Nonne okay, you know, uh so uh but yeah, but learning um so, I didn't get a chance to talk much to John afterwards, so um so I didn't. I didn't get to experience his unique personality built upon I actually heard you in an interview the other day saying that you think John is one of the funniest people. Shout out to Robbie Fox. By the way, it was on with Barstoolia. Yeah, interview. Yeah, I think you're I think your husband is so funny. He's all right, he's all right, he's all right, He's got his moments. I will say, he's very quick with the dad joke, much like Claudio, like writes them off the top of his head. Yeah, but when it comes to like what I learned from Ring of Honor. I think they just gave me, uh a platform to try new things. And I think trying new things is how you learn to be a better wrestler. I think by so, if you're told, like, hey, this is the formula, stick to the formula anytime things go wrong, or that you don't do the formula, I think that's harder to adapt to. So I think the ability to to do a seventy six minute matt or to you know, wrestle people that I, you know, I've never even heard of, let alone knew what they did. I think that was a real blessing. Hey, guys, uh, Brian, after a WrestleMania thirty a lot of the fans we're kind of climbering for you and see them punk at WrestleMania thirty one. Uh, now that you know that didn't happen. Now that you guys are both together in a w and you're basically two of their you know, biggest stars, is there a chance you guys might work a program at some point? I think there's probably always a chance. For some reason. When I when I signed with w W, and then I started to get kind of into that upper tier of spots. I just thought like, oh man, it's inevitable for me and Punk. It just seems like it should happen, and it just never did. So it just seems like that thing, that thing that needs to happen, you know. So, so I think it would be a lot of fun. Well, first of all, it's a pleasure to meet you in person, sir. Um. My question is, as a ignorant fan with zero wrestling experience, when I analyze, you know, a workers work, right, I look at psychology, performance technique, and based on the collective opinion of wrestlers, how easy they are to work with. But that's me. I think you have all those things and more so when you look at another wrestler from your very experienced perspective, what do you look for? So part of it is there's so many things going on, Um. I think there's so many things to learn in wrestling that you can improve on and you can constantly. That's one of the things that I love about it. There's never ending scope of improvement, right, um, whether it's connecting with the crowd, whether it's your technique, Like I love things like hammer locks and hammerlock Yeah, I love hammer locks. But I don't think everybody needs to know everything I know about hammer locks to be a successful wrestler. But if they wanted to learn it, that'd be great, whether you could use any of it for any extended period of time. But I think when you look for like I guess I'm just looking. When I look and I watch, I just kind of want to see magic, something magic about somebody special, So like what is special about you? And I think everybody has something special that they can tap into. Right, So it's like when you watch Dante Martin and I see him do a sunset flip, like I've never seen it, Like a sunset flip is a basic wrestling move that like you've never seen it, Like I haven't seen anybody win with a sunset flip in years. But you see Dante Martin do a sunset flip and you go like, whoa, dude, that's fucking awesome, right, you just did a fucking awesome, just regular sunset flip. So when I watched things like that, especially like after a match, they'll say, oh, what do you think I could get better on? As I'm watching, and I'm thinking, Okay, they could get better on these certain things. But what I'd really like them to do is enjoy wrestling while they're out there, because I think the more that you enjoy it, the more you're going to There's certain technical things you can work on before, but if you work on going out there and feeling that moment and enjoying the experience, you're going to be a better performer, and then you're just gonna get better all around. So yeah, there's just so many things. There's so many aspects to wrestling that you can get better at and stuff. It's I hate criticizing anybody for like minor things that you could anything that you could point to be like, oh, well, this guy's got he's not a very good wrestler, his technique sucks. You could point to a lot of people who have made millions of dollars being horrible wrestlers. Sorry, if that's not a very helpful answer. No, that was great, thank you, sir. I'm curious back in the whole Royal Rumble situation, did you kind of know going in that the fans would lead like a revolt that you would after you got eliminated pretty quickly, And I'm curious, like, did you feel like any sort of hostility backstage, just from the social media pressure because you got eliminated so quickly, um, when you really should have won it. But I knew, and especially um, I had just come back from next surgery. I when they told me what I was doing in the Royal Rumble in two thousand fifteen, and I was only gonna be in there for like four or five minutes. I told him, I said, I think this is a bad idea, This isn't necessarily great for Roman, and they kind of ignored that, and then it wasn't and then stuff happened, and yeah, that was that. But all of that to say, I think Roman has done such a great job, and now he's he's the biggest, you know, like he's the biggest star in wrestling, and I think he's performed at a high level for such a long time that you know, it's, uh, he's done a really good job. Hi. I showed up a little bit late to class, so I apologize if I missed this when it was covered. But you talked earlier about speed reading, and that's something that's always kind of fascinated me. How do you balance reading speed with reading comprehensions? So the idea is a lot of speed reading, because I've been interested in speed reading for a long time, and a lot of speed reading is just skimming, right, and I never found that interesting. I am not interested in skimming. I want to I'd rather go deeper than than just have a vague understanding of a lot of different things. So that said is we kind of stop learning how to read better in third or fourth grade. We start off reading by reading sounds, by going letter to letter, and then we go from that to reading word to word, and then we also do a thing called subvocalization, where we say the words in our head to understand them. One you can read groups of words at the same time. Very A very good example of that is if you see the words new York City, your brain is just gonna say New York City and knowing exactly what it is, even though it's three words. You can do that with more words than just three. You can get that up to five words, six words, where you're seeing these words and you're seeing groups of words. And then when you get faster, like you can only talk around six hundred words per minute, and even then it's gonna be like, Okay, I'm gonna talk like that it's gonna be jumbled. You don't want to sub vocalize, right, So it's when you see a stop sign, you don't say stop in your head. You just see the sign and you stop. And that's the same thing with stopping the sub vocalization. One of the easiest ways to stop sub vocalizing as you read is to actually purposefully counting your head while you're reading one, two, three four or five six seven eight nine. One two, three four or five, six, seven eight nine. You're sub vocalizing letters in your brain so that you're not sub vocalizing the words. Though it's difficult at first, you start being able to do it better. There's reading skill, and they stop improving our reading skills at a certain age, and especially now, if you're keeping up with anything, you realize that technology is changing every aspect of society so quickly that most of us will not be able to keep the same jobs for extended periods of time. One of the best things that you can do for yourself from a job perspective is learning how to learn. And one of the best ways to learn to learn is to be able to read faster and read information more quickly. I think being able to read better, and the skills of reading better I think are just something a lot of people should learn, and they should be teaching that in as much as high school, you know what I mean. So so yeah, So that's a quick rundown without getting too exhaustive for the people who have no interest in speed reading? Do you really mean to revise my hobbies? In working on my own depression and mental health issues and all that kind of stuff. I've tried to kind of identify these things that society puts forth to us, it tells us are important, and they might not actually be important, and that we're just doing it because that's what we've been told is important for so long, and then really revitalizing what makes you happy and what really makes a life worth living, you know, I think that's Oh God, I'm gonna die. I mean all of us, we're all we're all gonna die. I try to think about it every day to make me live better. Right, just this idea that I may never see you again, right like after this, something may happen. J J. My brother in law was in an uber through no fault of his own or through no fault of the Ubers. He was rear ended at fifty miles an hour, got a concussion and had to go to the hospital recently, just a couple of weeks ago. And so before modern medicine, people were very aware that you could die at any time. Even with modern medicine, we can die at any time. And the last thing that my dad died unexpectedly at fifty seven, like we were worried about his wife because she had pneumonia and all that kind of stuff. He didn't come to our wedding because his wife was in the hospital. We were worried about her. Then he died two weeks after our wedding from a surprise heart attack. And there's just this idea of you don't know when your last day is, like and it could be today or it could be in forty years, but not living that way irresponsibly, like I'm not gonna pay my taxes because I could die tomorrow. I think that's a bad idea, and I don't. But when I see you where I see Zach back there, this might be the last time I see you, So like be with you, don't be on my phone and don't be like half listening to you, and that sort of thing. This may be the last time I get to experience being in front of like you guys. From my perspective, you guys made my career, the people in this room, the fans, just if it weren't for you guys. A lot of people say this, if you guys didn't buy a ticket, I wouldn't have a job or whatever it is. But realistically, if you guys hadn't stood up for me in a way that I wasn't that, I would have never stood up for myself as far as like, god damn it, give me the main event of WrestleMania, I would have never said that you guys did that for me. And and if this is the last time I see you guys, I want you guys to know that I appreciated that. I don't want to take it for granted that like, uh, I'll do another signing or I'll do another thing or whatever it is, like okay, yeah, okay, yah, god uh. And I'm truly appreciative everything that you guys have given me and made my life better for you guys being in it. Sorry, I went down a long, long winding room. I mean, if there's ever been a great way to wrap something up that was it that was me? It's really it's a beautiful mindset night. We're all gonna die. Buncle great seeing ye no legitimately, thank you guys all so much for coming out. A big thank you to Brian for finally getting you here on the show because you didn't respond to my text, Um, but we got to do it. You know why I didn't respond to your text because I was paying attention to somebody else that I was in the moment with a good time. Fair enough, fair enough, guys, the American Dragon Bryan Danielson. Thank you guys for hanging out and checking out this episode, and thank you just to our cast for helping us out with everything over this weekend and setting up this awesome event to make this interview come together and come to Fruition. Um, it was so much fun. It was just like so great to see Brian and get to hang out. And like I said at the beginning, obviously he's somebody that I really want to have on here for some time. So really cool that we can make that happen. You guys got to finally hear it. Hopefully you guys dug it as much as I did. Alright, guys, I'm out of here. This has been the Sessions Can Savenings, and then