Drew Miller talks with Jeremy Casella and Ben Shive about the making of Jeremy's song, "Many Waters." They discuss the magic of mixing high language with common vernacular—in both music and lyrics—and God’s utter lack of pretense. They also geek out over those delicious chords in the second verse.

Drew Miller&nbsp;talks with&nbsp;Jeremy Casella and Ben Shive&nbsp;about the making of Jeremy's song, "Many Waters." They discuss the magic of mixing high language with common vernacular&mdash;in both music and lyrics&mdash;and God&rsquo;s utter lack of pretense. They also geek out over those delicious chords in the second verse.

A great song is most often the result not of instantaneous inspiration, but of a long obedience to the call of the song. This podcast explores artists' and producers' confrontations with the "Second Muse," the muse of effort rather than of inspiration, and takes a good hard look at how they’ve chosen to contend with her.

The Second Muse

S2 E7: Jeremy Casella & Ben Shive

In this special episode of The Second Muse, former guest Ella Mine returns with collaborators Jac Thompson and S. Grant Parker for a live performance at North Wind Manor and a discussion about how art arises from pain to become a safe place during times of suffering. This episode originally aired during Hutchmoot: Homebound 2021.

In this special episode of The Second Muse, former guest Ella Mine returns with collaborators Jac Thompson and S. Grant Parker for a live performance at North Wind Manor and a discussion about how art arises from pain to become a safe place during times of suffering. This episode originally aired during Hutchmoot: Homebound 2021.

Ella Mine, Jac Thompson & S. Grant Parker

In this last episode of Season Two, Drew Miller asks three questions of the Rabbit Room staff: How did you listen to music growing up and how have your listening habits changed? What is your advice for becoming a better listener? And who are some artists you're listening to right now?

You'll hear the voices of Andrew Peterson, Pete Peterson, Jennifer Trafton, Chris Thiessen, Leslie Thompson, and Shigé Clark as they share about their personal relationship to music.

This episode was inspired by a blog series at the Rabbit Room called The Lost Art of Listening, which examined how the streaming era has forever changed the way we listen, for better and for worse.

In this last episode of Season Two, Drew Miller asks three questions of the Rabbit Room staff: How did you listen to music growing up and how have your listening habits changed? What is your advice for becoming a better listener? And who are some artists you're listening to right now?
You'll hear the voices of Andrew Peterson, Pete Peterson, Jennifer Trafton, Chris Thiessen, Leslie Thompson, and Shig&eacute; Clark as they share about their personal relationship to music.
This episode was inspired by a <a href="https://rabbitroom.com/2020/04/the-lost-art-of-listening-part-1-ubiquity-scarcity/">blog series at the Rabbit Room called The Lost Art of Listening</a>, which examined how the streaming era has forever changed the way we listen, for better and for worse.

S2 E12: The Lost Art of Listening (Epilogue)

In this second-to-last episode of Season 2, Andrew Osenga joins the podcast to interview Drew Miller and Evan Redwine about Drew’s song “Death of a Dream.” They speculate on what precisely the dreams are that died and how this song and its accompanying Desolation and Consolation EPs came about. Then they geek out about how Evan played Pro Tools plug-ins like instruments to achieve that spooky, decaying sort of sound that defines “Death of a Dream.”

In this second-to-last episode of Season 2, Andrew Osenga joins the podcast to interview Drew Miller and Evan Redwine about Drew&rsquo;s song &ldquo;Death of a Dream.&rdquo; They speculate on what precisely the dreams are that died and how this song and its accompanying <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/7r5OTsHwLxlVhdKBzW7ukr?si=l_UVjNGxQR-MZKZu8O_Xyg">Desolation</a> and <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/3eZnvCQtzyDEXT1Y5fsW8l?si=HWGWdLrwSICN4v2Q5cZaoQ">Consolation</a> EPs came about. Then they geek out about how Evan played Pro Tools plug-ins like instruments to achieve that spooky, decaying sort of sound that defines &ldquo;Death of a Dream.&rdquo;

S2 E7: Jeremy Casella & Ben Shive

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