Drew Miller talks with Becca Jordan and Lori Chaffer about the making of Becca's song, "Keeping Time." They discuss the catalyzing conflict between ideas and reality, the rhythms of confidence and insecurity over the course of making a song, and what it means to wait collectively.

<p>Drew Miller&nbsp;talks with&nbsp;Becca Jordan and Lori Chaffer<strong>&nbsp;</strong>about the making of Becca's song, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/5SGTH7vNPnAq6h2Ybt4UmZ?si=j6HFpYS8TDCvEJSdFD25_w">"Keeping Time."</a>&nbsp;They discuss the catalyzing conflict between ideas and reality, the rhythms of confidence and insecurity over the course of making a song, and what it means to wait collectively.</p>

A great song is most often the result not of instantaneous inspiration, but of a long obedience to the call of the song. This podcast explores artists' and producers' confrontations with the "Second Muse," the muse of effort rather than of inspiration, and takes a good hard look at how they’ve chosen to contend with her.

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