In this special episode of The Second Muse, former guest Ella Mine returns with collaborators Jac Thompson and S. Grant Parker for a live performance at North Wind Manor and a discussion about how art arises from pain to become a safe place during times of suffering. This episode originally aired during Hutchmoot: Homebound 2021.

In this special episode of The Second Muse, former guest Ella Mine returns with collaborators Jac Thompson and S. Grant Parker for a live performance at North Wind Manor and a discussion about how art arises from pain to become a safe place during times of suffering. This episode originally aired during Hutchmoot: Homebound 2021.

A great song is most often the result not of instantaneous inspiration, but of a long obedience to the call of the song. This podcast explores artists' and producers' confrontations with the "Second Muse," the muse of effort rather than of inspiration, and takes a good hard look at how they’ve chosen to contend with her.

The Second Muse

Ella Mine, Jac Thompson & S. Grant Parker

In this last episode of Season Two, Drew Miller asks three questions of the Rabbit Room staff: How did you listen to music growing up and how have your listening habits changed? What is your advice for becoming a better listener? And who are some artists you're listening to right now?

You'll hear the voices of Andrew Peterson, Pete Peterson, Jennifer Trafton, Chris Thiessen, Leslie Thompson, and Shigé Clark as they share about their personal relationship to music.

This episode was inspired by a blog series at the Rabbit Room called The Lost Art of Listening, which examined how the streaming era has forever changed the way we listen, for better and for worse.

In this last episode of Season Two, Drew Miller asks three questions of the Rabbit Room staff: How did you listen to music growing up and how have your listening habits changed? What is your advice for becoming a better listener? And who are some artists you're listening to right now?
You'll hear the voices of Andrew Peterson, Pete Peterson, Jennifer Trafton, Chris Thiessen, Leslie Thompson, and Shig&eacute; Clark as they share about their personal relationship to music.
This episode was inspired by a <a href="https://rabbitroom.com/2020/04/the-lost-art-of-listening-part-1-ubiquity-scarcity/">blog series at the Rabbit Room called The Lost Art of Listening</a>, which examined how the streaming era has forever changed the way we listen, for better and for worse.

S2 E12: The Lost Art of Listening (Epilogue)

In this second-to-last episode of Season 2, Andrew Osenga joins the podcast to interview Drew Miller and Evan Redwine about Drew’s song “Death of a Dream.” They speculate on what precisely the dreams are that died and how this song and its accompanying Desolation and Consolation EPs came about. Then they geek out about how Evan played Pro Tools plug-ins like instruments to achieve that spooky, decaying sort of sound that defines “Death of a Dream.”

In this second-to-last episode of Season 2, Andrew Osenga joins the podcast to interview Drew Miller and Evan Redwine about Drew&rsquo;s song &ldquo;Death of a Dream.&rdquo; They speculate on what precisely the dreams are that died and how this song and its accompanying <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/7r5OTsHwLxlVhdKBzW7ukr?si=l_UVjNGxQR-MZKZu8O_Xyg">Desolation</a> and <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/3eZnvCQtzyDEXT1Y5fsW8l?si=HWGWdLrwSICN4v2Q5cZaoQ">Consolation</a> EPs came about. Then they geek out about how Evan played Pro Tools plug-ins like instruments to achieve that spooky, decaying sort of sound that defines &ldquo;Death of a Dream.&rdquo;

S2 E11: Andrew Osenga interviews Drew Miller & Evan Redwine

Drew Miller talks with Taylor Leonhardt and Lucas Morton about the making of Taylor's new song "Hold Still" from her upcoming album. They discuss Taylor’s quest to dig deeper into the songwriting process for her second album, songs as streams of water always seeking new spaces to fill, and the imperfect magic of recording an album live in the room with other musicians.

Drew Miller&nbsp;talks with&nbsp;Taylor Leonhardt and Lucas Morton about the making of Taylor's new song "Hold Still" from her upcoming album. They discuss Taylor&rsquo;s quest to dig deeper into the songwriting process for her second album, songs as streams of water always seeking new spaces to fill, and the imperfect magic of recording an album live in the room with other musicians.

S2 E10: Taylor Leonhardt & Lucas Morton

Drew Miller talks with Don Chaffer about the song "Be Invisible" from his musical, The (Almost) Unforgettable Edwin Booth. They discuss the creativity to be found in the “fenced-in areas” of musical theater, the magic of seeing so many people bring your work to life on stage, and art as a way of practicing empathy.

Drew Miller&nbsp;talks with&nbsp;Don Chaffer about the song "Be Invisible" from his musical, <a href="http://www.donchaffer.com/the-almost-unforgettable-edwin-booth-1">The (Almost) Unforgettable Edwin Booth</a>. They discuss the creativity to be found in the &ldquo;fenced-in areas&rdquo; of musical theater, the magic of seeing so many people bring your work to life on stage, and art as a way of practicing empathy.

S2 E9: Don Chaffer

Drew Miller talks with Ella Mine and Evan Redwine about the making of Ella's song, "Sound & Fury." They discuss Ella’s process of discerning how to tell such a personal story in the form of a concept album, the integral role of Shakespeare in “Sound & Fury,” and the tricky process of faithfully adapting a live performance into a crystallized record.

Drew Miller&nbsp;talks with&nbsp;Ella Mine and Evan Redwine&nbsp;about the making of Ella's song, "Sound &amp; Fury." They discuss Ella&rsquo;s process of discerning how to tell such a personal story in the form of a concept album, the integral role of Shakespeare in &ldquo;Sound &amp; Fury,&rdquo; and the tricky process of faithfully adapting a live performance into a crystallized record.

S2 E8: Ella Mine & Evan Redwine

Drew Miller talks with Jeremy Casella and Ben Shive about the making of Jeremy's song, "Many Waters." They discuss the magic of mixing high language with common vernacular—in both music and lyrics—and God’s utter lack of pretense. They also geek out over those delicious chords in the second verse.

Drew Miller&nbsp;talks with&nbsp;Jeremy Casella and Ben Shive&nbsp;about the making of Jeremy's song, "Many Waters." They discuss the magic of mixing high language with common vernacular&mdash;in both music and lyrics&mdash;and God&rsquo;s utter lack of pretense. They also geek out over those delicious chords in the second verse.

S2 E7: Jeremy Casella & Ben Shive

Drew Miller talks with Becca Jordan and Lori Chaffer about the making of Becca's song, "Keeping Time." They discuss the catalyzing conflict between ideas and reality, the rhythms of confidence and insecurity over the course of making a song, and what it means to wait collectively.

Drew Miller&nbsp;talks with&nbsp;Becca Jordan and Lori Chaffer&nbsp;about the making of Becca's song, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/5SGTH7vNPnAq6h2Ybt4UmZ?si=j6HFpYS8TDCvEJSdFD25_w">"Keeping Time."</a>&nbsp;They discuss the catalyzing conflict between ideas and reality, the rhythms of confidence and insecurity over the course of making a song, and what it means to wait collectively.

S2 E6: Becca Jordan & Lori Chaffer

Drew, Asher, and Aedan discuss the gift of a blank page, the importance of beginning somewhere for the simple sake of beginning, and the indispensability of other people’s perspectives.

Drew, Asher, and Aedan discuss the gift of a blank page, the importance of beginning somewhere for the simple sake of beginning, and the indispensability of other people&rsquo;s perspectives.

S2 E5: Asher & Aedan Peterson (NAMO)

In Season 2, Episode 4, Drew Miller talks with Ben Shive about his album, The Cymbal Crashing Clouds, and together they break down his song "The Fire Pit."

They discuss the scandal of parables, the indispensability of collaboration, and the implications of sabbath for the creative process.

In Season 2, Episode 4, Drew Miller talks with Ben Shive about his album, <a href="https://store.rabbitroom.com/products/the-cymbal-crashing-clouds?_pos=392&amp;_sid=a54df3e7f&amp;_ss=r&amp;variant=5293898691" data-rich-text-format-boundary="true">The Cymbal Crashing Clouds</a>, and together they break down his song "The Fire Pit."
They discuss the scandal of parables, the indispensability of collaboration, and the implications of sabbath for the creative process.

S2 E4: Ben Shive

Drew, J, and Lucas discuss the necessity of listening to negative emotions while writing songs, the deceivingly difficult work of self-honesty, and the mutual contingency of beauty and suffering.

Drew, J, and Lucas discuss the necessity of listening to negative emotions while writing songs, the deceivingly difficult work of self-honesty, and the mutual contingency of beauty and suffering.

S2 E3: J Lind & Lucas Morton

Drew and Andy discuss Andy’s abiding love of math, the silent power of omission, the symbiotic relationship between convention and invention, and several iterations of “The End of a World” that preceded the final record.

Drew and Andy discuss Andy&rsquo;s abiding love of math, the silent power of omission, the symbiotic relationship between convention and invention, and several iterations of &ldquo;The End of a World&rdquo; that preceded the final record.

S2 E2: Andy Gullahorn

Drew, Sara, and Brown talk about the deceivingly difficult task of telling the truth in a record, the under-publicized connection between beauty and justice, and the magic of a well-written bridge.

Drew, Sara, and Brown talk about the deceivingly difficult task of telling the truth in a record, the under-publicized connection between beauty and justice, and the magic of a well-written bridge.

S2 E1: Sara Groves & Brown Bannister

In this episode, Drew Miller interviews Andrew Osenga about his song, “Mercy.”

In this episode, Drew Miller interviews Andrew Osenga about his song, &ldquo;Mercy.&rdquo;

In this episode, Drew Miller interviews Andrew Osenga about his song, &#8220;Mercy.&#8221;

“Mercy” (Andrew Osenga)

In this episode, Drew is joined by his bandmate Janie Townsend and engineer Evan Redwine to discuss the making of The Orchardist’s album People, People—specifically the song “Drink It Down.”

In this episode, Drew is joined by his bandmate Janie Townsend and engineer Evan Redwine to discuss the making of The Orchardist&rsquo;s album&nbsp;People, People&mdash;specifically the song &ldquo;Drink It Down.&rdquo;

In this episode, Drew is joined by his bandmate Janie Townsend and engineer Evan Redwine to discuss the making of The Orchardist&#8217;s album People, People—specifically the song &#8220;Drink It Down.&#8221;

“Drink It Down” (The Orchardist)

Drew is joined by Wild Harbors (Chris and Jenna Badeker) and Andrew Osenga to discuss their song, “Tomorrow Morning.”

Drew is joined by Wild Harbors (Chris and Jenna Badeker) and Andrew Osenga to discuss their song, &ldquo;Tomorrow Morning.&rdquo;

Drew is joined by Wild Harbors (Chris and Jenna Badeker) and Andrew Osenga to discuss their song, &#8220;Tomorrow Morning.&#8221;

“Tomorrow Morning” (Wild Harbors)

Drew is joined by Chris Slaten (stage name: Son of Laughter) and his producer, Ben Shive, to discuss Slaten’s song, “The Fiddler.”

Drew is joined by Chris Slaten (stage name: Son of Laughter) and his producer, Ben Shive, to discuss Slaten&rsquo;s song, &ldquo;The Fiddler.&rdquo;

Drew is joined by Chris Slaten (stage name: Son of Laughter) and his producer, Ben Shive, to discuss Slaten&#8217;s song, &#8220;The Fiddler.&#8221;

“The Fiddler” (Son of Laughter & Ben Shive)

Singer-songwriter Jordy Searcy and producer Lucas Morton discuss the evolution of Jordy’s song, “Explaining Jesus.”

Singer-songwriter Jordy Searcy and producer Lucas Morton discuss the evolution of Jordy&rsquo;s song, &ldquo;Explaining Jesus.&rdquo;

Singer-songwriter Jordy Searcy and producer Lucas Morton discuss the evolution of Jordy&#8217;s song, &#8220;Explaining Jesus.&#8221;

“Explaining Jesus” (Jordy Searcy & Lucas Morton)

We discuss the storied evolution of Andrew Peterson’s “Maybe Next Year” from the album Resurrection Letters, Vol. 1.

We discuss the storied evolution of Andrew Peterson&rsquo;s &ldquo;Maybe Next Year&rdquo; from the album Resurrection Letters, Vol. 1.

We discuss the storied evolution of Andrew Peterson&#8217;s &#8220;Maybe Next Year&#8221; from the album Resurrection Letters, Vol. 1.

The Second Muse

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