Most of what Christians picture when they hear "angel" came from medieval art and Vacation Bible School, not from the biblical text. Dr. Joel Muddamalle worked alongside Michael Heiser at Logos Bible Software and became a friend and protégé. In this conversation he walks through what Heiser argued about the unseen realm, where he thinks Heiser pushed the church in the right direction, and where he'd refine him.

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0:00 — Intro 2:35 — Working with Michael Heiser 4:34 — The traditional picture, and where it came from 9:54 — Cherubim, seraphim, archangels, sons of God 14:06 — "Angel" as a job description 15:05 — The divine council and the hasatan 19:07 — Where Heiser was right, and where Joel would refine him 29:50 — The traditional picture of demons 31:55 — Deuteronomy 32 and the gods of the nations 39:38 — Genesis 6 and the Nephilim 45:22 — Why "unclean spirits" meant something specific 48:26 — The three rebellions 52:42 — Azazel and the scapegoat 1:00:06 — Jesus in the wilderness 1:04:51 — Where Satan fits 1:13:24 — The angel of the Lord as pre-incarnate Christ 1:16:14 — What this changes for the church

Most of what Christians picture when they hear "angel" came from medieval art and Vacation Bible School, not from the biblical text. Dr. Joel Muddamalle worked alongside Michael Heiser at Logos Bible Software and became a friend and prot&eacute;g&eacute;. In this conversation he walks through what Heiser argued about the unseen realm, where he thinks Heiser pushed the church in the right direction, and where he'd refine him.
READ: The Unseen Battle, by Joel Muddamalle: (<a href="https://amzn.to/4xyQnM9)">https://amzn.to/4xyQnM9)</a>
CHECK OUT: Logos Bible 60 Day Free Trial (https://logos.com/mcdowell) CHECK OUT: Consider Supporting the Ministry! (<a href="https://seanmcdowell.org/give)">https://seanmcdowell.org/give)</a>
*Get a MASTERS IN APOLOGETICS or SCIENCE AND RELIGION at BIOLA (<a href="https://bit.ly/3LdNqKf)">https://bit.ly/3LdNqKf)</a>
*USE Discount Code [smdcertdisc] for 25% off the BIOLA APOLOGETICS CERTIFICATE program (<a href="https://bit.ly/3AzfPFM)">https://bit.ly/3AzfPFM)</a>
*See our fully online UNDERGRAD DEGREE in Bible, Theology, and Apologetics: (<a href="https://bit.ly/448STKK)">https://bit.ly/448STKK)</a>
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Twitter: <a href="https://x.com/Sean_McDowell">https://x.com/Sean_McDowell</a>
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0:00 &mdash; Intro 2:35 &mdash; Working with Michael Heiser 4:34 &mdash; The traditional picture, and where it came from 9:54 &mdash; Cherubim, seraphim, archangels, sons of God 14:06 &mdash; "Angel" as a job description 15:05 &mdash; The divine council and the hasatan 19:07 &mdash; Where Heiser was right, and where Joel would refine him 29:50 &mdash; The traditional picture of demons 31:55 &mdash; Deuteronomy 32 and the gods of the nations 39:38 &mdash; Genesis 6 and the Nephilim 45:22 &mdash; Why "unclean spirits" meant something specific 48:26 &mdash; The three rebellions 52:42 &mdash; Azazel and the scapegoat 1:00:06 &mdash; Jesus in the wilderness 1:04:51 &mdash; Where Satan fits 1:13:24 &mdash; The angel of the Lord as pre-incarnate Christ 1:16:14 &mdash; What this changes for the church

Dr. Sean McDowell is a gifted communicator with a passion for equipping the church, and in particular young people, to make the case for the Christian faith. Sean is an Associate Professor in the Christian Apologetics program at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University. On this channel he tackles some of the biggest questions about God, morality, and contemporary culture. Visit www.seanmcdowell.org for more posts and info.

The Sean McDowell Show

Dr. Sean McDowell is a gifted communicator with a passion for equipping the church, and in particular young people, to make the case for the Christian faith. Sean is an Associate Professor in the Christian Apologetics program at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University. On this channel he tackles some of the biggest questions about God, morality, and contemporary culture. Visit www.seanmcdowell.org for more posts and info.

Where Demons Actually Come From, According to Heiser

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