Giants. A divine council. Demons and the Nephilim. Michael Heiser made the Bible's strangest passages impossible to ignore and sold hundreds of thousands of books doing it. So what does one of the world's leading spiritual-warfare scholars actually think of his work? Dr. Clint Arnold joins me today to say where Heiser gets it right, and where he pushes back.

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CHAPTERS 00:00 – Why Heiser captivated so many 00:35 – Who is Michael Heiser? Who is Clint Arnold? 02:45 – What makes Heiser's work unique 05:59 – Where Arnold agrees with Heiser 09:35 – The premise of The Unseen Realm: recovering a supernatural worldview 11:12 – Psalm 82, Job 38, and the divine council 14:01 – What "Elohim" actually means 15:21 – Isn't this just polytheism? 18:33 – Genesis 1:26 — "Let us make man" 21:47 – The Deuteronomy 32 worldview and cosmic geography 24:01 – David, Goliath, and the gods behind the idols 26:24 – Bashan, Caesarea Philippi, and "portals" 28:58 – Paul's theology of the unseen world (Ephesians 6) 32:14 – Does this change our spiritual warfare today? 32:32 – Peter Wagner and "strategic-level" spiritual warfare 34:12 – Why Arnold rejects targeting territorial spirits 38:24 – Command vs. prayer — and reprisal in the spirit realm 40:53 – The big disagreement: where do demons come from? 42:46 – The traditional view: a primordial angelic fall 45:59 – Genesis 6 and the sons of God 48:05 – How much weight should 1 Enoch carry? 50:53 – No exorcism in the Old Testament? 53:33 – Luke 10 and "I saw Satan fall like lightning" 56:14 – Arnold's one big addition to Heiser 58:16 – Should you read Heiser? 59:04 – Spiritual warfare at Talbot

Giants. A divine council. Demons and the Nephilim. Michael Heiser made the Bible's strangest passages impossible to ignore and sold hundreds of thousands of books doing it. So what does one of the world's leading spiritual-warfare scholars actually think of his work? Dr. Clint Arnold joins me today to say where Heiser gets it right, and where he pushes back.
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*Get a MASTERS IN APOLOGETICS or SCIENCE AND RELIGION at BIOLA (<a href="https://bit.ly/3LdNqKf)">https://bit.ly/3LdNqKf)</a>
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*See our fully online UNDERGRAD DEGREE in Bible, Theology, and Apologetics: (<a href="https://bit.ly/448STKK)">https://bit.ly/448STKK)</a>
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CHAPTERS 00:00 &ndash; Why Heiser captivated so many 00:35 &ndash; Who is Michael Heiser? Who is Clint Arnold? 02:45 &ndash; What makes Heiser's work unique 05:59 &ndash; Where Arnold agrees with Heiser 09:35 &ndash; The premise of The Unseen Realm: recovering a supernatural worldview 11:12 &ndash; Psalm 82, Job 38, and the divine council 14:01 &ndash; What "Elohim" actually means 15:21 &ndash; Isn't this just polytheism? 18:33 &ndash; Genesis 1:26 &mdash; "Let us make man" 21:47 &ndash; The Deuteronomy 32 worldview and cosmic geography 24:01 &ndash; David, Goliath, and the gods behind the idols 26:24 &ndash; Bashan, Caesarea Philippi, and "portals" 28:58 &ndash; Paul's theology of the unseen world (Ephesians 6) 32:14 &ndash; Does this change our spiritual warfare today? 32:32 &ndash; Peter Wagner and "strategic-level" spiritual warfare 34:12 &ndash; Why Arnold rejects targeting territorial spirits 38:24 &ndash; Command vs. prayer &mdash; and reprisal in the spirit realm 40:53 &ndash; The big disagreement: where do demons come from? 42:46 &ndash; The traditional view: a primordial angelic fall 45:59 &ndash; Genesis 6 and the sons of God 48:05 &ndash; How much weight should 1 Enoch carry? 50:53 &ndash; No exorcism in the Old Testament? 53:33 &ndash; Luke 10 and "I saw Satan fall like lightning" 56:14 &ndash; Arnold's one big addition to Heiser 58:16 &ndash; Should you read Heiser? 59:04 &ndash; Spiritual warfare at Talbot

Dr. Sean McDowell is a gifted communicator with a passion for equipping the church, and in particular young people, to make the case for the Christian faith. Sean is an Associate Professor in the Christian Apologetics program at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University. On this channel he tackles some of the biggest questions about God, morality, and contemporary culture. Visit www.seanmcdowell.org for more posts and info.

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Dr. Sean McDowell is a gifted communicator with a passion for equipping the church, and in particular young people, to make the case for the Christian faith. Sean is an Associate Professor in the Christian Apologetics program at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University. On this channel he tackles some of the biggest questions about God, morality, and contemporary culture. Visit www.seanmcdowell.org for more posts and info.

Is Michael Heiser's Unseen Realm the Best Way to Read the Bible?

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