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Just go to my pillow dot com or call eight hundred six zero nine zero promo code Hannity take advantage of Mike special two for one offer my pillow dot Com promo code Hannity. Look. I support the general thrust of what you and certainly Tesla are saying people were franchised, but I want to go a step further. Tonight the entire Democratic Party stinks from the head down the whole process. Everyone has really staying on their hands. And with this new revelation tonight on the emails that it probably involved gross negligence, it strengthens my call and that of others, for a special prosecutor to look at that comy, the gross negligence, to look at the email deal more generally, to look at uranium one, the docier, all of it, because at this point what we know is getting more and more troubling. I say this as a loyal Democrat. I know Tesla's a loyal Democrat, but as she said, and I would say, this is not partisan, this is a presiding democracy. I didn't know that this book is being used against the party. Said again, I'm trying to say, you know, against yes and against everybody. So so you know people are upset and you know you understand, so so explain why you didn't realize people would take the idea of Hillary bailing out the party years before or whenever she did it, UH as something that was bad and robbed Bernie of his ability to be president. I mean, that's how that's the message that is being put out UH in your name. Well, first of all, I never used the word rigged. In my book. I said that I used the word cancer and that I was uncomfortable with the cancer that I found when I became chair. Look, I was an officer. I didn't know how deeply in debt our party was okay. And when I learned that Hillary was bailing us, I want to call our secretary of Hillary Clinton, but I also know it's Hillary because I have great affectional respect for When I learned the Hillary was bailing our party out, given us three point five million dollars a month to keep us floating, I appreciated that. But what I want to control over will be was that if I raised a dollar a dollar fifty, I wanted to spend my money without asking permission. Because there are a lot of questions about this Russian dossier and their evidence that has come out that the d n C helped fund it because you know that was happening, and were you surprised to hear it? If you did. I asked one question on November fourth, and I was told that I did not need to know, And so no, I did not know because I did not control my money. But you're waxing poetic a lot up here about Russia and Russia's involvement in the election, which is deeply important to me. But when you see that the d n C was funding it, so, Megan, Megan, you know campaigns. So the line item is called legal, the line ONEm is called research a line atom. What if you asked me today because I had a list of all of the DNC consultants, do I see fusion GPS? No? Uh. But if you asked me, was this a question that came up during my tenures chair? It did on Novemberfore do you think it's wrong? Do you think it's such a bad president to do legal research for opposition? I was not involved in the contract, and I don't know. I did not I did, Megan, um, I was not involved in the hiring of this firm. I did not know about the existence of this contract. But in terms of opposition research, people go after things that I must tell you in America, they go after dirt. When they go after dirt. You saw what Trump Junior did, but no I did not. I did not go after it. But just do you think it's wrong to go to Russia? Had to ask for opposition reasons? I don't you asking me about the dossier and how it was compiled. I don't know how it was compiled. I don't know who went after Megan. All right, that was on the view today. I mean, pretty blockbuster stuff. I was told I didn't need to know any of this, and she goes she she actually had used the word rig, which, by the way, is somebody who's authored a book. Let me tell you, by the time you finish your book and it actually gets published, you don't even remember it. And I know it sounds weird, but it's true because it becomes such a painful act to be out there writing books. Speaking of which, my friend and colleague gretav Ancestrat has a new book out Everything you need to know about social media without having to call a kid I want to talk about. You know what's funny about that is I have to ask my daughter to download all of my apps we're not. That's not funny. I don't think that's why are you mocking me? Oh? Have you listen to Sean? Yeah? Of course, how are you say? Of course, I'm laughing at you. But you know what, you're like everybody else. I mean, that's the problem. You know. Why I wrote this book is because I thought I was asking a twenty five year old a rather sophisticated question one of my nations about Instagram. And I asked the question and her response was seriously, And I said, yes, I mean seriously. She said, you don't know that. I said, say, I don't know that I used to change your diapers? Would be nice to me? It definitely. It's amazing what they can do. I mean, my son has been so crafty and so tricky. You know. For example, he would play his game a lot, and he likes like mad and football for example, and the smart ass son that he is, so he knew every once in a while if I was getting sick and tired of him playing too much, I'd go in there and I grabbed the disk and I take it away, and I thought I was ending his game, and then and didn't even get back because he had the whole thing downloaded in the machine, the whole thing, of course, of course. But see that's what the interesting team about my books for everybody over forty who thinks that he knows everything about social media as any questions or wants to get started and there just wants to understand it. It's also for everybody under the age of forty who's sick and tired of answering questions to those of us less bucks. You can't go wrong, you really, you really can't go wrong. I actually, when I saw the title, I said, this is hilarious. And by the way, it is a timely book and one that is necessary and needed for people like me. How have you've been lately? I know you spent a little time over at MSNBC we mess you had fox Um, How did how did that work out there? How did how did that work out for me? Well? I got fired? But let me say that. No, no no, I didn't mean that. I didn't mean it that way. I mean, well, I'm asking in a nice way, what happened? I got fired? You out you jerking? Yeah? No, no, no, I actually don't know what happened. If it's not for a personal reason. I have an absolutely perfect personnel file. The only thing that is my contract. It's not for the ratings, because my show was up overall on the show I replaced you earlier in the demo and by the way, I replaced Mark halprin show. And no one's ever suggested I did anything wrong, any bad behavior, and nobody ever choosed me of being unfair or not getting the facts right. So the question is why did I get fired. I have my suspicions that I think I can tell you. Look, you've always been and I've known you for years, and and obviously everybody on TV and radio as different personalities, everybody does it differently. But I always looked at you and your show as the curious show you would. You would ask questions and you let people answer the questions. I always love that about your show. Now I obviously have stronger political opinions, but that but your show provides a valuable service. I said, Okay, we'll explain this to me. Explain that to me. I mean, and as a lawyer, you always had these deep penetrating questions and you aren't asking with any mouse or any agenda, and then people would would answer a duck or dodge and if they tried to dodge, you usually go into it three more times. And you know, but I never got the sense where you are politically. I honestly, I honestly don't know where you stand politically on issue where I am politically. But as for your question, but but I think that, but I think they didn't want anybody that wasn't hardcore conspiracy theory, left wing. There's my answer. Well, but but the thing is, I was no surprise when they hired me. Have been in the business twenty five years. I kept my side of the bargain. And the only thing that I don't like is the fact that they let the narrative out there that it was somehow the ratings. But I had less than six months in my rains were up over the show that I replaced, when it just simply is not true. But you know that it was the ratings, and they let that narrative go out there. You know, the show was a successful one. Viewers liked it. I still get emails they liked it, and I all I wanted them to be fair to be. I know, I'll let the chips fall as they make, but they ought to be fair to be and and so I'd love to know why I got fired. You know, this, this business that we're in more than people, No, it can really suck. I mean it has a dark side. You know. Well, we're very blessed. You and I have discussed as many times together. I mean, it's it's a blessing to do it, but it's I don't think people understand how much work goes into like three hours of radio in an hour of TV and grind it it out every day. But it's my honor to do it. It really is. And like every other business, it's a service business. I mean I did all those you know, blue collar jobs all my life and nobody said thank you, Can I have your autograph? Um, I don't view it as any different except that we're in the public eye and and in that since you know that, you lose your anonymity, which I think a lot of people would probably like to keep their anonymity. But um well, I'm sorry that happened. But I know you, I mean, you can do whatever you want. You'll write your own ticket. I know you. Sean is as long as I as I go out of a job, and I did go out of the job this wayas with my head high, and that I always did my best, always try to be fair. I took the job very seriously, gained the facts with for the American people. I tried to call every every fall as I saw it, and and and frankly, that's why it's so stunning to me, because it wasn't you know that you want me to sum it up for you. You did not hate Donald Trump enough. That's ther that was your problem. You did not hate Donald Trump. But but you know what the problem is, though, is that you know that that would be very bad because you know, we're not supposed to tilt the news. We're supposed to be honest. Okay, have you ever watched that network? They hate Donald Trump? Seven? You were the one hour that didn't hate Donald Trump. My job was always, as I've thought to be responsible for my hour, to be to do my very best for the viewers. I think you know in your heart, and I'm only saying that, I think you know that I'm right. I'd love to hear from them. No, it's like, you know, it's like, uh, I still don't understand. There wasn't one criticism of me, and all of a sudden one day they called me in and fired me. I'm sorry to hear that. I really am and and and not even an explanation. Listen, this is like what happens though. The explanation they put out there, though this advited me is the explanation they put out there is simply not true. But you're too smart an attorney for them to be that stupid. It is all I would say on that front. You're too good an attorney. You are. Yeah. I mean, if if they said something that was factually an accurate, I would imagine that's going to come back and hurt them. Yeah. I try to walk out of there with my dignity and realize that. You know, I've been very lucky in this business sets of great jobs and great colleagues, and I see that more the reflection of others who might not want to be talking about of me. Let me move on. UM, I want to press your legal mind here. What do you think of Donna Brazil saying Hillo, he stole the primary basically and had the fix in and rigged it all right? First of all, full disclosure down on our fronts. Been friends for years. I've been listening to Donna's book since it got released today. I'm about two hours into it. Actually, I actually recommend if you're going to read the book, that you actually download and listen to it, because she reads it herself. Donna is painfully honest. People may disagree with it, but she's painfully honest. And she paints the rather disturbing picture of the d n C and it's financial situation. And one way you can look at it is that the Clinton peoples that were scrambling to try to rescue it's and employd the embarrassment that I was going under financially. Or you can look at it the other way is that the Clinton administration was looking for an opportunity to control, and I did by controlling the money springs strings, by bringing a lot of money into the d n C. UM. You know, take your pick, how you how you want to explain. If I were Bernie Sanders, I'd be furious. Um. But then again, Bernie Sanders never wanted to be a Democrat. He was always independent for president. But Donna told him the truth and he did nothing. I think that that's that Who actually is a more full disclosure is that John Cole, my husband's friends with Martin o'mallory, former governor of Malan and that he's the one who should be angry because the in in politics, the way that you get your traction is through the through the debate, and that's how you get name recognition, get chance to show yourself off, raise money and uh and it looks like it looked like these are my words. The fix was in that they had a limited number of debates. De Wie Washington and shows UH was close to Hillary in two thousand eight. And the key is in Washington is that they were controlling the number of debates so as to help for us. Unbelievable and they and they got the fix was in with the super delegates and everything that Donna says. All right, stay right there. Gretive Ancestra is with us brand new book out everything you need to know about social media without having to call a kid. Quick break right back, We'll continue right as we continue, Gretive ancest with us a brand new book everything you need to know about social media without having to call a kid. Um, let me ask you some legal questions. If there are emails that are subpoenaed thirty three thousand of them, you know where I'm going, and you delete them. Acid wash bleach bit them and destroy the blackberries with hammers. Is that a crime? Um? I think it is, but I'm not sure you have the facts exactly right as every call and I actually said this on the air when I was at Fox Suite channel is I think that Congress notified Clinton's to them October that what they wanted them to put up to preserve it that they want, and then they destroyed them. If I were a Hiy Clintons lawyer at that time, I never would have destroyed them. And I've always thought that the lawyers would be in trouble in hot water with the bar because I felt enormously uncomfortable with the fact that as a lawyer, I never would have destroyed them. So once I was notified by Congress, a right at the crime. But I think it's a bar problem. Isn't it also an obstruction issue, because you know, you obviously have had the equivalent of Congress telling you to preserve these things, you don't do it, and then you destroy it. I don't know if you have. I think at the U scourneys, I don't think of Congress that applies use a necessary obstruction. I don't know what I can tell you one thing. If it fits, you know where it fits within a particular statute. I can tell you I'm extremely uncomfortable with the idea because it's deceitful. What did you think about effort to hide something? The gross negligence statute that we see in early writings before Homie had had basically exonerated her without even interviewing her or most of the witnesses. And he had used the term gross negligence, which is the legal standard. And we know that the Espionage Act says knowingly and willfully mishandling classified information. I assume that would be putting it on a private server, which she told others in the State Department not to do, and then destroying those things. And and we know five foreign you know actors were able to access it. Any of those ring took as crimes to you? When I know you're referring to that the press conference, that there's press statement the COMI gave, I think it's late June or early July. He used extreme recklessness the earlier drafts. And I'll tell you I thought that made lawyers look bad because I thought it made no sense the way the way he was trying to sort of do the sort of the gymnastics around that. I don't know what was going on in his mind. I mean, it's just stunning to meet them. The way he handled that, I mean that that is not the way I would have handled it. I don't even know why he made a statement. I don't even know why they I don't even the sort of the weird thing later when he met with the Tree general at some point or she called him. They all want to get the same page, to get the right language is to how to refer to it. But I mean, there's there's a lot of explaining that needs to be done here. I gotta let you go on, not because I want to, but anyway, congratulations on the new book. We're gonna post it at Hannity dot com. Everything you need to know about social media without having to call a kid, CREDI event suster thing. Last thing. I miss you, Sean, We miss you too. Anyway, I'm we're proud of you. You're doing amazing and good luck with the book tour. I know you're doing a lot of work with Franklin Graham, which I admire immensely. And we don't see my app Oh, I can't wait for the app. Great, the app's gonna be fun. That's the piece, all right, thanks eight nine one. Sean will continue. We know you never want to miss the Sean Hannity Show, and now you never have to. Just sign up for Hannity Headlines, bite sized version of the show that you can take with you on your laptop, your mobile phone everywhere you go, even to your liberal in law's place in Vermont. So um yeah, and after a few hours of that, you'll be glad you've brought sewn along. To sign up today for Hannity Headlines. Go to Hannity dot com. U Um. Christopher Steele dossier, which is a controversial document for lots of reasons, um. Quoting from that, a lot of it has been proven out. Do you believe anything about that dossier? Oh? I think it should be taking a look at. I think they should really read it, understand it, analyze it, and determine what's fact what may not be fact. We already know that the part about the coverage that they have on him would set actions, uh, is supposed to be true. My focus today is explore how many claims within Steals dossier are looking more and more likely as though they are accurate. The dossier definitely seems right on these points. A quid pro quel relationship seems to exist between the Trunk campaign and Putin's Russia. There's a lot in the dossier that has yet to be proven, but increasingly, as we'll hear throughout the day, allegations are checking out the famous dossier, which is getting a lot more credibility now than it did. Well. I think that's important, right, that the dossier, right, which looked sort of out there at first, is getting truer and truer and truers facts come out. The Clinton campaign apparently conducted opposition research, as every campaign does on their opponent. They got back, apparently this very salacious and out infamous dossier, which they never used. In fact, didn't even reach the press until after the election was over. They never used it. What I have learned I've heard about the dossier, it's about his involvement with women, it's about possibly prostitutes. We were able to crowberry in r Intel's community assessment, which from other sources in which we had very high competence. So when the President just refers to to speake dossier that is false, I don't think that that is an accurate characterization for the entirety of the dossier. Jared Christier, anybody else who remember the Russia in the last year, he knows it all. It's all. If he had a little excitement in some hotel room in Moscow, Expenny years ago, that does it. He's got those pictures, He's looked at them a million times. That said, well, we do want to hear from Christopher Steel. So far, a lot of what he has alleged, and the dossier has been proven. We reported a number of weeks ago that the intelligence community had in fact confirmed some of the elephant elements in the dossier, including the particular meetings and conversations detailed the dossier took place in the places and at the times as described there. So it directly contradicts the President, who has repeated from the beginning that the dossier, like many parts of the Russia investigation, is a hoax. All right, twenty three now till the top of the hour. So there you have all these democrats, all of them going on and the media pushing the Steel dossier. Rachel Maddow, Maxie Waters, and Andre Carson, Chris Matthews, Paul Begala, Donny Deutsch, you know, James Clapper, and it goes on from there NonStop. They just go with it. They wanted to believe every salacious detail that was paid for, that was made up by the Russians. Oh, I guess they're colluding to help get Hillary Clinton elected and impact the election. And Hillary funded the whole entire thing. Thor Halverson is with us and he's the CEO of the New York based Human Rights Foundation, and he's here to shed some light on Fusion GPS, with whom he had a previous interaction with and and dealings with that were pretty much unspeakable. He says. They are smear artists, he said, And what they've learned is if you want to kill an investigation, if you want to destroy a law enforcement investigation, go after the witnesses, go after the whistleblowers. Wow, shocking. Now. We also testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee in July of this year against Fusion GPS, which of course they're not going to testify before anybody, and they're fighting a congressional subpoena. Door, sir, welcome to the program. Thanks for being Willis, Thank you for having me on your program. Sean, all right, let's talk about what you know about Fusion GPS. Tell us how you got involved, what you know and what people need to know. Sure well, how I get into this was was accidentally. I was made aware of a massive government contract fraud that was taking place in the dictatorship of Venezuela. In other words, um, someone gave me information about a theft, a theft of three billion dollars that took place in the Chavez government in Venezuela. So I took the information. I thought it was outrageous. These a bunch of guys in their twenties were awarded power plant contracts to build these power plants in Venezuela, and they built faulty power plants and walked off with the money. So I figured I would write about this circumstance in the United States and alert the authorities and as much as the stolen Venezuelan money UM was being laundered through American banks. Well, to make a long story short, the targets of my investigation, the people that I was blowing the whistle on, ended up hiring Fusion GPS. They hired Fusion GPS to go after those of us who had been talking about this investigation, talking about this company, pointing out their crimes and what Fusion GPS did for them. Um, in the case of four different people, they couldn't come up with anything tangible about us that was negative. So they just simply made it up and they created these dossiers pretty similar each, each of these dossiers making the same allegations over and over again, salacious allegations of outrageous conduct that range from extortion and rape to drug abuse and pedophilia. And then they shot these dossiers around to the media. So, whereas we are trying to expose a crime, they figured, here's what we'll do to eliminate the whistleblowers. Here's what we'll do to go after them. Let's create dossiers and accuse them of all sorts of horrible things. I read and I read Katherine Herrige's piece and Pam Brown's piece and on Fox news dot com. And you know what's what's amazing about this is you know that you're saying that they have a track record of intimidation and smear tactics, but it's beyond that, because in your congressional testimony and your first hand account here you're saying that they labeled you pedophile and extortion as the drug trafficker because you criticize one of their clients. Now, how do you how do you know that they did all of this? Okay, Well, it starts off with the fact that the their clients were being investigated by the Wall Street Journal. As you know, the Wall Street Journal is a serious outfit. They were they were doing an investigation, they were writing a story. The story was four thousand words long. How do I know the story was that long because the reporter and I were in touch constantly. We were sharing information. I was telling him about what was going on. Before you know it, the reporter was asked to visit Venezuela and meet with the men who he was writing about. When he gets to Venezuela, into the conference room of these guys who stole billions of dollars, there's one of the partners of Fusion GPS sitting in the conference room. He also happens to be formerly the bureau chief for Latin America for the Wall Street Journal. In other words, the reporter walks into the room and is his former boss who is now a partner at Fusion GPS. Staying to him, all of these allegations are lives. These are good men. They're just excellent businessmen. You know, they earned these billions and billions of dollars, and you're being played. Here's a dossier about the men who are feeding you information. Don't ask me how I know that they're the that they are the ones feeding you information. But I do know that that here's the dossier. That's the first time I heard the word fusion GPS. When the Wall Street Journal says to me, I can't believe my former boss is working for them. By the way, they gave me a file on you. That's the first time I learned. And of course after that I started learning more and more about them. Did you get the file that they had made on you? No, the reporter read it to me. I know what it contains, but he did not give me a copy. I think the Wall Street Journal has internal because I think it's based on what you're saying, that you'd have a lawsuit here if people you just can't make up out a whole cloth that somebody's a pedophile and extortionists and a drug trafficker. I mean, you're you're, you're, you're in the right neighborhood. I can I can't really tell you what my what what I'm doing next, but let's just say that subsequent to this, the Wall Street Journal did nothing with this. In fact, the reporter and the journal said with this, this is full of this stuff is hot air. We're not gonna pay any attention to it. We're gonna keep doing our story. But then they kept shopping it around and sean they found an out of work journalist in Washington, d C. Someone who's been dismissed from job after job, by the name of Ken Silverstein. They paid Ken Silverstein, and Ken Silverstein published it on a left wing website, one of these fringe websites. He published an article with these allegations in it, and then they paid. Fusion GPS paid one of these SEO companies, the ones that focus on um where things rank on a Google search, and they pushed the story way way up so that when you Google my name, it's the first or second thing that pops up. That's what Fusion GPS did. By the way, a lot of people don't know you can do. There's a whole there's a whole group of people you can pay to either Barry stories on Google and Yahoo or put them up on top and there's I guess the particular methods that they use. So what you're saying that is true? Um, so what happened since this all happened to you? I mean, what is your human rights group about? By the way, what do you I mean? Do you work on issues involving We focused on dictatorships. We focus on the struggle against dictatorships, whether it's Cuba, North Korea, Russia, China, Venezuela and Gola. Our goal is to do is to enter that vacuum where the establishment organizations aren't really focused on a lot of them spend most of their time focusing on democracies like the US. Stay right there, focus well, well more with Thor Halverson's with us and he is uh saying he's a victim of fusion. GPS will get more of his story on the other side of all of this as we continue here on the Sean Hannity Show. Welcome back. As we continue Thor Halverson's with us and hey, Thor, how are you all right? So I want to get back to this. Everybody in the media is going with the same talking point. Well, a Republican, a GOP operative paid to begin the dossier on Trump. And the fact of the matter is that person got out long before Steele, who made up all of these allegations by paying Russians about Donald Trump and the more salacious details. So what they're saying isn't true. This was We now know that Hillary Clinton and the Democrats paid for the smear. Her campaign paid for the whole smear. So you're saying that this whole group is that why they're unwilling to talk to Congress and and I know that there's now they're trying to get into their bank accounts to find exactly where the money came from that led to the dossier that was used by the media and used by Democrats to try and impact this election, even though all of the information and the propaganda and the misinformation came from Russia. Well, ask yourself, Sean, why are they Why did they admit to paying for the dossier. They admitted to paying for the dossier because of the subpoena. They want to get ahead of the subpoena and say Judge, don't go forward and open the bank accounts of Fusion GPS because we don't need to know that anymore, because now they feed up and the d n C has claimed and the Hillary Clinton campaign that they paid for the dossier. The reason why is very simple. Sean those bank that bank information contains the information about payoffs two dozens of journalists inside and outside of the belt lay by Fusion GPS. I am convinced that Fusion GPS is engaged in regular payola with journalists in order to ensure that some stories get coverage and some don't. In addition, what that banking information containing is information about the criminal entities, most of them from abroad, that higher Fusion GPS to kills stories, to go after witnesses, to blow up concepts when the criminal entity is suffering or potentially going to get in trouble. This is what happened in the Venezuela case. Derwick Associates paid Fusion to end with the credibility of the witnesses and to obstruct justice. Fusian GPS doesn't make a lot of money from its American clients. It makes the bulk of its money from criminals abroad. This is like the most unbelievable story I think I've ever heard. It really is, well, you know, but and listen. I'm just gonna say something. And this is on a personal level. I mean, you have no recourse. I'm a public figure. I'm on radio three hours a day, TV one hour a day, and when people lie about me, the standard is so high. I actually I have to prove that what they're saying was actual malice, and to get there it is such a high legal bar it's nearly impossible. So if you're a public figure, they can pretty much say anything, and they do say anything they want. And I just finally just compartmentalized in my mind that, Okay, this is my chosen profession. I didn't think that this was going to be a part of it. But people telling lies about me on a regular basis is just part and parcel of what I now have happening in my life. Well, and you know this better than anyone. Even though their lies, it's still hurt. It's still nasty when family members and whatnot, um look at this stuff and saying what they're saying, UM. And yet they get away with it. They get away with it. You know, it was it was really you know, despite the fact that Fusion GPS did this and hired this loser, Ken Silverstein to write about it. And the fact is that, um, it felt really good to know that there's a collection of us that are being the targets of fusion GPS because finally, what these accusations can be explained. Finally you know, whether it's William Browner, myself or in this case, President Trump can say, look there's a pattern here. It's the same company engaged in the same behavior again and again. These are former journalists who lost their way and decided we will do anything for money. They don't care about the truth. They care about making money, which is why they work for Chrisicals. I'm assuming you're going to do a lawsuit. Well, look, a lawsuit is gonna cost millions of dollars and suing this person's story and I've got a breaking or come back and tell us more and as you get more information on it, and we'll let people decide on their own. And I can tell you smear campaigns against conservatives are just part of our everyday business. It's unbelievable. It's like it's and by the way, they're well funded. All those people custom poor people. And I've been here working my host second career for people who don't have a chance. And I really resent anybody saying that I'm just doing this for the rich. Give me a I think you guys overplay that all the time and it gets old and frankly, you have to quit it. Mr Sherman, the public an just I'm not throw okay. I got kind of sick and tired of it. Not true. It's a nice political play. Well, Mr care about true, all due respect, I get sick and tired of the richest, regular order getting richer. We do a tax order middle class and over and over, how many times do we do that? You listen, I've honored you by allowing you to spout off here, and what you said was not right. That's all I'm saying. I come from the lower middle class. Originally we didn't have anything, So don't spew that stuff on me. I get a little tired of that crap. And let me just say something. If you didn't, if we've worked together, we could pull this country out of every every message in and we can do a lot of the things that you're talking about two and other. To have that a reputation of how they've worked together, let's start with Chip. Not starting with Chip, I did it I've done it for years. I've got more bill start with CHIP. Today, I got more bills passed and everybody on this committee put together and they've been passed for the benefit of people in this country. Now, all I can say is I like you personally very much, but I'm telling you this bull crap that you guys strow here. It really gets old after a while. To do it right at the end of this but just not right. And I just it takes a lot to give me worked up like this all the role. Remember when Democrats new cutting taxes creates jobs. Every dollar released from factation that he span or invested will help create a new job and a new salary. And these new jobs and new salary can create other jobs and other salves. Do the Democrats in Congress today really like writing welfare checks more than creating paychecks? A jfpat from tax cut will create jobs for America. I've got to say, this is nothing short of extraordinary. Let me just tell you, getting two and eighteen members to agree on something as complicated as the most to Yeah, but we needed to eighteen. Okay, let me rephrase it. And getting two seven members to agree on something is complicated. This country has not rewritten its tax coach since nine six. The powers of the status quo in this town are so strong. Yet two hundred and twenty seven men and women of this Congress broke through that today. That is powerful. Of course. I want to think not just the members who made this possible today. I want to think the President. I want to thank his administration, and I think our partners in the Senate who are doing their work as well. You will admit now, for the sake of this discussion that some Americans under this Republican plan will be paying more in taxes. Correct. There there will be people who make more than a million dollars and high tax states that will be paying more. And as the President has said, this is not a tax plan to cut taxes for rich people. This is a tax plan to make businesses competitive and give middle income we're here that m word. I think it's code, you know, and I'm used to hearing it from the left for many years. I think you are as well. I think you would admit that. But this is a Republican majority in the House and in the Senate, in the White House, and you're admitting that for some Americans they will pay more in taxes. But again, is this what the American people have waited a generation for? Again, just to be just to be clear, what we're doing is getting rid of the state and local tax deduction, which is a loophole for high tax states. That's the reason why New York, California, others have taxes as high as they are, because the federal government is subsidizing those taxes. And most for most Americans, the vast number of americ Arkans that that don't have high tax states, it's not fair that they're subsidizing a few states. So again, the people's taxes who are going to go up are the rich people in high tax states. But again, there's a lot of benefit to the New York economy of lowering the corporate rate to that's a huge boom for the financial services industry. They can hire more people, they can pay more people, they can create more jobs. All right, hour to Sean Hannity Show, toll free are numbers eight dred nine one. Sean, you want to be a part of the program. I have known are enhanced for all these years. I don't think I've ever heard him that animated ever, because it is an absolute lie Uh, that this bill that they're gonna hopefully pass in the Senate, the Republican bill, is has anything of any benefit to anybody that is quote rich. That is one of my biggest complaints about Republicans, that of Americans that pay most of the taxes in this country, paid no federal income taxes none, zero, So we have redistribution. Now, if you believe in supply side conservative economics, Reaganomics, which I have always believed in and continue to believe in, I would argue that the Republicans have abandoned that. Uh. And while they're what they're doing on the corporate side is phenomenal. Middle class tax cuts is phenomenal, repatriation is phenomenal. When they passed you know, drilling in an noir and energy independent, that's phenomenal for economic growth, the engine of economic growth that will get people off of food stamps, out of poverty and back to work. What this election was really all about. I know, you know, we spend an inordinate amount of time against the never ending attacks against the president, but this is what's going to make the difference. On top of the growth that we've already gotten because of the end of burdensome regulation that the president did on his own. Anyway, Here to weigh in on all of this, Larry Cudlow, CNBC hosts form A Reagaul Administration, economist, author of the new book It's a must read if you want to understand economics, Reaganomics, the the supplied size, Conservative argue men of how to create growth in the economy, the JFK, and Reagan Revolution. A Secret History of American Prosperity. Also, Stephen Moore is with us distinguished Visiting Fellow or Project for Economic Growth at the Heritage Foundation. Gentlemen, welcome back both of you to the program. Um. Larry, when you were on last time, we both agreed this is great in terms of the corporate tax cut, the repatriation, the push towards energy independence, the end of burdens and regulations. But any notion that this is a tax cut for the wealthy is just patently false. I agree. I would only add these, you know, immediate expensing for new buildings and technology. But I thought your intro was great. You haven't storing light um the growth. We're gonna get good growth from this, and we're gonna get it from the business side. Steve Moore and I, among others, drafted this back in the campaign. Ironically is still holding up. Um. My biggest disappointment as the top rate wasn't floward. Trump just said he wanted to go to thirty five. That's where we were originates. But one quickie, Sean, your take on Orange Hatch. Every single Republican, every single Republican should listen to Orange Hatch fighting back against class warfare. Everybody should hear that we've all known or in many many years. He is a supply sider, and all I can say is good for him. Don't let the left mau mow him and push him back. And what you need for this country, you make growth and that growth will benefit Sean, everybody, everybody will benefit from growth. Well that's the whole point. I mean, the reason I support the bill has nothing to do with me individually, because I'm gonna end up paying a lot more in this bill. What frustrates me is and my argument Steve Moore welcome back, is that the Republicans have that they don't have the stomach for what Urn was arguing yesterday. They don't have the stomach to say this is a tax cun for the rich and explain to people that if you cut taxes across the board, Reagan doubled the revenues to the government. Reagan helped create twenty one million new jobs we had till that point, the longest period of peacetime economic growth. Everything that that happened with JFK and Reagan that Larry writes about works, And I think as it relates to cutting top rates, Republicans don't have the stomach for the fight, am my own. Well, look, I think this is a pretty darn good bill the Republicans passed yesterday. I mean, I have some reservations, as you do, and as Larry does, But my goodness, this was a pretty historic day for Congress to pass the biggest tax cut since Reagan. It's about time. Uh. Shame on the Democrats. By the way, Sewan Shaman and not a single Democrat in the United States House of Representatives voted to cut taxes on American families and American businesses. I mean, I'm just disgusted by that, you know, by the Democratic Party and how they have moved to the left. I think there are a lot of good things in here. I like that. I agree with Larry that the howard and soul of the growth comes from the reducing our business taxes. And it's very simple, John. You know, if you look at those people you know you were talking about in the top five percent of income, those are people you know what they do for a living Sewan, They own, operate and invest in small businesses. Now is my old buss Deck Army used to say. You know, liberals love jobs that they hate employers. You can't have jobs and good paying jobs and Unles, you've got healthy employers who are making money and reinvesting that money in the business. And so I think this will do a world of good for the for the economy, and I just want one of the quick things. Un I am so proud of the Republicans for putting in this bill. I hope it remains the getting rid of this individual mandate under under Obamacare, because by the way, that's a tax, that's a tax increase on that uh that initiative Obamacare is attacks on low income people. Never crist don't want to get rid of that either. Let me ask you know, we we have a different version in the Senate, and then eventually we'll try and reconcile all of this and then hopefully it ends up on the President's desk. Uh, Larry talk about talk about the differences you see in the bills and what you would like to see in the final product. Well, actually, Um, the House bill is more front loaded, and I liked that a lot. I think the Senate is making a mistake holding back the corporate tax cut to nineteen. I think that's a mistake. And the House built gets all that stuff started in the early years, so that's something. I think the pass through the small business such Chapter esque companies UM should get a bigger tax break. I'd like to see that. Ron Johnson is making the case, UM, but I think they should get a bigger tax rate. Although it's been improved UM somewhat. I would have had much larger marginal rate cuts for individuals. I guess that's not gonna happen. It's too bad. You know, real Reagan style tax reforms sean the slashing the personal rate, I mean slashing and then you don't need the deduction, so you can take it away what they're arguing about now, because there wasn't no slashing of MARSHAA rates three points at the bottom. UM. The deductions are more painful and they're gonna have to work out the salt. But you know, you see people like Darryl Lisa listen. I can sympathize with Daryl. Lisa voted against the bill because you know, it's not his fault that the people of California looked at a governor that put the state income tax at thirteen and a half percent, and the same goes for New York and for New Jersey and for Illinois, and and you know, all these liberal states now have a little reckoning, uh, and maybe they'll hold their their local governors and legislators accountable for raising taxes as high as they do and as often as they do. You know, you're so right. I mean, if you look at if you compare, uh, you know, Texas and Florida with New York and California. I mean, in New York and California, the highest income tax rate is now about thirteen and a half percent. It's zero in Texas and Florida. And you know, you've got states like New York and New Jersey. Uh one, right now, they spent almost twice as much per person on state and local government spending as say a state like Tennessee in New Hampshire. So why should people in Tennessee and New Hampshire be subsidizing of the flabby government in in Uh, in New York and California, the pension costs all of this stuff. So I like that feature of this bill. I think it's a long time I mean, I wish Reagan had done this. He tried to do it in eighty six. And Republicans are finishing his agenda here of closing that loophole in the tax code. Uh that I think it's just it's it's not fair for people who lived in low tax states to have to pay for high tax stage so well said, I mean, and and in ways that being the ways they're being punished. I stay right there. We'll continue, Uh, Steve Moore, Larry Cudlow one, Shawn told free telephone number. You want to be a part of this extravagance. Luke Rosie Act, the investigative reporter from the Daily Caller, will join us the next half hour as we have updates on Debbie Wasson and Schultz that you need to know. Quick break right back will continue and as we continue, Larry Cutlow and Steve Moore are with us for talking about the House. Uh, and you've got to give the House credit. The House has passed three hundred bills that have not been even picked up by the Senate. The House passed their healthcare bill. I gotta give him credit for that. I assume if the Senate doesn't get this done, it will impact everybody politically, both House and Senate. But I don't think it would be fair. I think it's up to the Senate to keep their promises. Larry Cudlow, you know Sean and Steve. I think the Senators will do it. I spoke at the Republican Senate breakfast ten days ago. Their demeanor, Uh, their whole attitude is we are going to get this done. We are going to get this done. This is different than healthcare. Um. Steve and I were talking earlier about this. There may not even be a conference. If the Senate rights to bill, they're not that far apart. The Senate rights a good bill, he gets this through the floor, you don't need a conference. Sett'll state days they can get it done before Christmas. One little glitch sewn this whole Alabama business, and God knows what's going to happen there. If more loses you have a Democrat, right, that could hurt the vote. If more wins, you'll have a Republican. But he said he's opposed to the tax bill, So it's baffling to me. Be better to get this whole thing done before twelfth elections down there. What do you think, Steve More Politically? Yeah, I think they're gonna get it done too. I think Larry is exactly right. And you know, as Larry just said, he and I worked with Donald Trump during the campaign to put the framework of this together. And look, I think it's about eighty percent of what Donald Trump originally asked for. I would have liked a hundred percent, but we got we got most of what we wanted out of this. And I just want to say one of the things, because it's so important, Sean, I mean, getting rid of the individual mandate on Obamacare. It will it will cause the unraveling of Obamacure because people don't want it. If they keep saying all these people are gonna lose their health insurance, these are people. These are thirteen million people who don't Obamacure, can't afford it. And if you don't have to stick a metaphorical gun at their head and force them to buy it. They don't want it. So I think that's a great thing. I think we're gonna get this is gonna and give us the biggest tax that. That's a big deal. All Right, I'm gonna have to leave it there. Thank you both, Steve Moore, Thank you, Larry Cudlow. We appreciate it. Eight nine one, Shawn is a number you want to be a part of the program. A lot more coming up. Luke Rosiak, investigative reporter for The Daily Caller, is next. We've had my favorite guest of all time. He's more fun and it's gonna make your holiday so fun that you don't want to miss. John McLamore coming up. Peter Sweitz are also at the top of the hour. Straight ahead. Congratulations you five ladies. No longer have to pretend to be attracted to Hardy Weinstein to hear of your own free will, someone coerced you into being here, dick out. Harvey Weinstein is a course, Harvey, Harvey Weinstein is a as. I don't know whether he's in some kind of organized crime now and in return, what will Harvey do for you? Nothing? Really? Well, what's wrong with that equation? I'm not afraid of anyone in show business. I turned down intercourse with Harvey Weinstein. I'm no less than three occasions. Alright that music and only mean one thing. Twenty five Now to the top of the one Shawn told free telephone number. We'll get to Katie Hopkins. The gotta be one in just a second here, all right. So here's what has come out today. First broken by right bart dot com and because they knew that this Washington Post piece was coming out, and their headline is after endorsing the Democrat in Alabama, Bazos Washington Post, you know, Basos owns the Washington Post, for those of you don't know, plans to hit Roy Moore with allegations of inappropriate relations with teenagers. Judge claims it's a smear campaign. Now I'll go back and I'll give you the specifics of of all of this. But anyway goes on and the Washington Post headline as women says, woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was fourteen and he was thirty two. Just a shy of forty years ago. Forty years ago. Anyway, it goes on to tell the story about how seventy nine. More, who is now the Republican nominee in Alabama for the U. S. Senate seat, was a thirty two year old assistant district attorney. Struck up a conversation with a girl and her mother offered to watch the girl while her mother went inside for a child custody hearing. And he said, oh, you don't want to go in there and hear all that. I'll just stay out here with her, he said. Anyway, So the mother says, well, I thought, how nice for him to want to take care of my little girl. Now alone. More chatted with the girl, they go on to say, as for her phone number. Days later, he picked her up around the corner from her house in Gadsden, Alabama, drove for about thirty minutes to his home in the woods, told her how pretty she was, and kissed her. On a second visit, she says, he took her shirt and her pants and removed his clothes. He touched her braun underpants, and guided her hand to touch him all over his underwear. Remember we're going back thirty eight, almost forty years ago, and I wanted over with, I wanted out, She remembers, thinking, please just get this over with, whatever this is, just get it over now. Two apparent friends of this childhood. Childhood friends said that she told them at the time that she was seeing an older man, and one says that she identified the man as as Judge Moore anyway, goes on to say that her daughter told her about the encounter more than a decade later, when More was becoming a more prominent as a local judge. Now. They then go on to talk about other people and they talk about specific allegations that one was a seventeen years old More spoke to her high school civics class, asked her out on the first several dates that did not go beyond the progress of kissing all right. Then another girl says she was eighteen years old a cheerleader when Moore began taking her on dates, including you know, bottles of mattuse rose wine. The legal age was one year old er nineteen in Alabama. Of the four woman women, the youngest was the woman that's making this sexual allegation and accusation. And then it goes on. Roy Moore says this, these allegations are completely false and are desperate political attack by the National Democratic Party in the Washington post on this campaign more is now seventy This allegedly happened when Moore was thirty two years old, and then he goes on to say that the campaign said in a subsequent statement that this garbage is the very definition of fake news. All right, Now, as we came into this segment, we were playing all of these people in Hollywood that knew of why Einstein's reputation. Now all of this is now, it's sort of like a cascading impact. We've talked about the casting couch. We've talked about you know, young girls want to get into modeling or music or the TV industry. And I said that, and I said, this is only the beginning. And how right I was since that. Let's see, you have Jeff Bezos of Amazon Studio head, the guy that worked for him, Roy Price. Victim was a TV producer, Kevin Spacey, all the allegations we've heard about him. Had the National Enquirer picked up all over the country yesterday that Charlie Sheen had in fact rape Corey Haim, who later committed suicide. Then you've got Ben Afflack. Ben Afflack in his particular case, to specific allegations against him and there were allegations against Dustin Hoffman that go back to Then you've got Jeremy Piven. Then you got the case of Roman Polanski. And because I just wondered, everyone knew about Weinstein that didn't care. Roman Polanski was accused of applying a thirteen year old girl with alcohol and quay ludes and raping her. Listen to this, Master Laski okayanness. And that was the reaction when the guy that has been living abroad and avoiding justice in America got his Academy award. That's Hollywood's reactions used of a thirteen year old girl. Anyway, here's some really, you know, fascinating questions. How do you know if it's true? How do we what what's true? What's not true? How do you ascertain the truth? What happens when it's thirty eight years later and it's a serious topic. And because if it's true and people act like this, it's disgusting, it's despicable, it's criminal if people, you know, some people do. People lie? Now, we do have ten commandments. One of the commandments is thou shouting now bear false witness. We know human beings break with regularity. The other nine Commandments? Did they break this one? I mean it's something to think about. Why is it so bad because you can ruin somebody's reputation with an allegation. Katie Hopkins is with us of the Daily Mail across the pond. I mean, you're always outspoken. How do you tell? How do we? How are we the American people that ascertain what is true and not true? It's starting to be an impossible question, isn't it That doesn't have an answer? But what I would say is that women, and I am loosely a woman, women have never been so disappointing. Like the idea to me that someone comes out, what is it thirty eight years later, allegedly and it's suddenly remembering how terribly traumatized she was. If she was stood right next to me now I would be saying to her, that's not good enough. You've taken this many years to remember how upset you used to be. That is not good enough. You are disappointing as a woman. I can't believe in an ear world where you know, I watched the pussy marches after Trump's inauguration, marching through the street. How strong women were all their banners about how strong they are, how their bits and bobs are made of steel. We are so tough. If you're that tough, women, then why aren't you at some point standing up for yourself. We've got British politicians here, but listen, I love you. I'm going to tell you what people are going to say to your feminist in particular. Are you blaming the victim? Are you doubting the victim? That's what people are going to say. Yeah, and immediately when people say, oh my god, you're victim blaming your victim blaming, immediately you're supposed to lie down, quaking your boots, like when people throw the term racist about, you know, at me for no reason. You're supposed to lie down and go no, of course I'm not victim blaming. Well, guess what, Actually, yes I am. At this point, I am pointing the finger straight at Let's just pick this one woman that's been talking about with roy More allegedly. You know, I am pointing my finger at her, and I'm staying to that woman. You just disgusted me. You spent thirty eight years thinking about this before you said anything. Now you decide to speak. You disgusted me because what you're doing woman is You're making it so that every other woman like me who likes working with men, who's happy just cracking on next to men, who actually finds men rather better to work for than women, because the sisterhood doesn't exist. You're making women poison to work for. If I was you know, if I was employing someone, now, would I employ a woman, especially if I was a man. No, I would not. And women like this do women like me a massive disservice. I am sick, and I'm sick of all of the Hollywood lot coming out and you know, screaming about Weinstein after the event you took his oscar. Let me just let me just take the other side of those for a second. You know what, Listen, if any woman is abused, there is a violation, it's I think it's violence more than it is you know, when people say, I don't want to get into definitions here, of course, but here there are predator people out there, There are are evil people. And maybe for years there was a stigma associated with telling the truth. And maybe you know what, maybe people now feel emboldened because some women have told the truth. But then also, you know, are there false allegations and when as he said, she said, or whatever, how do you tell the difference? You know what I mean? I mean because I I actually in all these cases, I'm sure some of these women are telling the truth. But how do we determine who are and who aren't? And in an age where we cannot, we have to, I think, maybe get to a point where we cannot determine initially who's telling the truth, who isn't, who's been deceived, who's being manipulated by the Democrats or otherwise, What we, I think need to do, and what we perhaps can do is agree that due process has to be followed so that people are innocent unless proven guilty. And what we've just had in the UK in the last twenty four hours, because we're seeing exactly the same pattern happening over here as you have there, we've just had an end. He he was hauled in. He's a Welsh MP, holed in. He was told about the nature of allegations against him, which were unwarranted no sorry, unwanted attention or groping. He wasn't told what they specifically were, and within twelve hours that man was dead. Because he has a wife and two children, and he killed himself because of the shame and the pressure and not knowing what the charges were. And yet he was already seen as guilty before he'd even had chance to defend himself. And that's what concerns me is We're going to see more people lose their lives, I think, because this sort of thing is so all pervasive, and we can't tell who's lying and who isn't, and the mob just decides that people are guilty as soon as they hear an allegation made. I think that's a terrifying thing. I gotta take a break. We'll come back the Gobby one, Katie Hopkins as well us and as we continue, Katie Hopkins as well us, the Gabby one from the Daily Mail. Is it more credible when there's a series of people making allegations, like, for example, as I read the Washington Post piece, you know, one girl was seventeen, one girl was eighteen. Neither said that there was anything other than him asking them out on dates and kissing them. That's as far as it went in those cases. So I think they included that to make it make the original allegation from nearly forty years ago bigger and I think there's no doubt that the Washington Post has an agenda, and one has to ask why didn't this come out during a primary campaign. Judge Moore has been one of the most controversial figures in Alabama four years years. Of course, of course he was on our news here in the UK, you know, with them portraying him in exactly the same way last night. Very biased across our media. The portrayal of Roy More very biased in terms of what he's going to bring, that he's an extreme version of Trump. You know, that's the messaging that's being played out on this side of the Atlantic. I don't think it makes it any more credible when you get multiple stories coming out about the same person. I think credibility for me is women that report things within a week, two weeks, a month, and when they found the time and effort and energy and report to report something, that's credibility for me. If you reported the instant whenever you not give any do not give any it's not gonna but you do not give any credence to the idea that this is such a horrific act of evil violence and so traumatizes people that they live in fear they live in in fear of you know, a how they don't want people to know this horrible thing happened to them, so they bottle it up, They keep it up inside, and then fear that they're not going to be believed, fear that they're going to be blamed, fear, you know. I mean, I think there's legitimate reasons why, you know, and personal reasons why women wait. I hear you sure, and you're kind, and you're no. I want to get to truth, and sometimes well, okay, but I think we spend too much time talking about you know, these women feel this, or these women feel you know, ashame, these women are this. You know, speaking as someone who's played the system, Sean, I am. You know, my moral bow, as you both know, is very low. I have exchanged at times my youth, when I was younger, my whatever I had back then, I exchanged that for power. Sometimes women make exchanges winningly. Now you might go back and try and make that the man's fault. You know. I've worked in multiple offices where very old, unattractive men are dating the most attractive women in the marketing department, and that actually is a willing exchange between those two individuals. I think the idea that we somehow it's always men praying on women. Women are very calculating, women are very determined about what they want, and women are not weak. This idea that we're all massive victims. I think that's what I find so offensive about this. This is setting women back decades because it makes us sound like we can't stand up for ourselves. We've got politicians here, we managed to get our defense. Our secretary of Defense, Michael Fallon, has left his job in the cabinet because he touched someone's knee. If that's me, I'd be getting my other knee and kneeing him right where the sun don't shine and saying, do that again, and I'll do that again. You know, women are. It's just it's desperate to me that women are portraying themselves as victims, as weak, as defenseless, as vulnerable, and I just I'm sick of it. And I understand your your client point, which is that there are real victims out there, But then you know what, Sean, what really annoys me all these feminists. They never have one word to say about the victims of Muslim grooming gangs, because it's not politically correct to talk about that. So it seems that some victims matter more than others, and that partly is fueling my anger at these women who look for sympathy now thirsty forty years later. All right, I'm going to have so I honestly think that this is just the beginning of what's going to be a cascading impact, and we're going to have to try and sort this out and get to truth. That's that's my goal on all of this. Katie. We always love having you on. Thank you for being with us. Eight nine one, Sean told free telephone number. You want to be a part of the program, News Round Up, Information Overload our coming up at the top of the hour. We'll get back into this. Jonathan gillam Eraldo Rivera. We have the latest on what's happening with the dossier and uranium one. Sarah Carta, Victoria Tunsi straight ahead, the FBI paid Christopher Steele, the author of the dossier. That doesn't matter. You'll have to direct to the I think maybe the Special Council. We know the author was Christopher Steel. It has been reported that he was on the payroll of the FBI. I just want to know if in fact that is the case. I'm not able to provide an answer to you. The FBI present the dossier to the FISA court, I'm not able to answer that. Do you know if the FBI did the established process protocol in evaluating claims made in the dossier? I'm not able to answer that. On January six, then FBI Director James Comy brief President elect Trump up in New York about the dossier. Shortly thereafter that, the fact that meeting took place and the subject of the meeting was the dossier was leaked to CNN. Do you know who leaked that information? I do. Are you investigating who leaked that information? That would be a matter within investigatory powers of the Special Council said, you've got a number of investigations going on, Mr Attorney General, regarding leaks. Is that likely one of those that you're investigating. I'm not able to reveal the existence of investigations or not. But my concern is we sent you a letter three and a half months ago asking for a second special counsel, and if you're now just considering, I what's it gonna take to get a special counsel? We know that. We know that former FBI Director James Comey misled the American people in the summer seen when he called the Clinton investigation a matter obviously an investigation. We know FBI Director Comey was drafting in his honoration letter before the investigation was complete. We know Lauretta Lynch, one day before the beg Gazi report came out, five days before Secretary Clinton was scheduled to be interviewed by the FBI, met with former President Bill Clinton on a tarmac in Phoenix. Um. We know after that meeting, when she was corresponding with public relations people to Justice Department, she was using the name Elizabeth Carlyle. You know, as I've said before, it seems to me, if you're just talking golf and grandkids, you can probably use your real name. We know that Mr Comey publicized the investigation, and we know he made the final decision on whether prosecute or not. And then when he gets fired, he leaks a government document through a friend to the New York Times. And what was his goal to create momentum for a special counsel. And of course it can't just be any special counsel. It's got to be Bob Noler, his best friend, his predecessor, his mentor, the same Bob Mueller who was involved. We've now learned in this whole investigation with the informant regarding Prussian businesses wanting to do business in the Iranian business here in the United States regarding iranium one deal. So I guess my main question is, what's it gonna take if all that not to mention the dossier information, what's it gonna take to actually get a special counsel? It will take a factual basis that meets a standards of the appointment of a specially Is that analysis going on right now us in the manual of the Department of Justice about what's required. We've only had to the first one was the Waco Janet reno Um Senator Dan Forts who took all that investigation as special council, and Mr Muller, each of those a pretty uh special factual situation. Well, I appreciate you can have your idea, but sometimes we have to study what the facts are and to evaluate whether it meets the standard. Se Well, we know one fact. We know the Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee paid for through the law firm, paid for the dossier. We know that happened, and it sure looks like the FBI was paying the author of that document. And it sure looks like a major political party was working with the federal government to then turn in opposition research document equivalent of some National Inquirer story into an intelligence document, take that to the FISA court so that they could then get a warrant to spy on Americans associated with President Trump's campaign. That's what it looks like. And I'm asking you, doesn't that warrant, in addition to all the things we know about James come in sixteen, doesn't that warrant naming a second special council? As twenty members of this committee wrote you three and a half months ago asking you to do well, Mr Colomy is no longer to director the FBI. Goodness, we have an excellent man of integrity and ability and Chris Ray, and I think he's going to do an outstanding job, and I'm very happy he's not here today. I would say, I'm are and I'm asking first time, and the gentleman, I would say, it looks like is not enough basis to upon a special counsel? Alright, that's from yesterday's hearing. Congressman Jim Jordan was going to join us in a minute to discuss that exchange with the Attorney General joining us now, though in the meantime is Congressman uh Andy Biggs is with us. Andy, how are you welcome back to the program. What did you think of that exchange? Well? I think that first of all, thanks for having me, But I I think that I was a little bit um um disappointed because I think what Jim Jordan was talking about when he said it looks like this, it looks like that. What he was doing is he was laying out the factual basis for probable cause of a crime or multiple crimes that have been committed. And if that is the case, which I think it is, then the Attorney General at that point when he says, well we're going to look at it in the factual basis where you've had it for months and months and months, you should be appointing a special counsel. That's that's the position I took yesterday when I heard that. That's why my questioning with the way it did and and I didn't get that from the Attorney General Sessions. So I think it's a good man. But here he's he's he can't defer to his second in command, who is Rob Rosenstein. For Pete's sakes, this he can't do that. He has got to make the tough decision. That tough decision is, we need a special counsel to investigate this whole series, this litany of corruption and what I what I've said, is the scandal of our time. He needs he needs to appoint someone. Oh listen, I think so too, um. But I've also being told, and I'm kind of getting very strong feedback that in fact, there is an ongoing investigation that he never refused himself from uranium one or the whole issue is that it involves fusion gps um. And he was asked specifically yesterday by John Conyers, you know, about the issue of whether he's recused himself of the investigations involving Hillary said he couldn't answer that. He said he didn't recall talking about George Popadopoulos, by the way. He said he can't answer of recusal impacts investigation and diffusion gps or uranium one. Uh. The man that was questioning him so uh in a tough way yesterday is Jim Jordan of Ohio Freedom Caucus. Of course, how are you, sir? Let's all right, let's talk about what did you think of those answers? Well, I mean, I think maybe even the most telling part was when Matt Gate, asking a few questions, uh too in particularly, said are you rechoose from the uranium one issue? And he said no, And then later in his and the questioning later in that five minutes, he would asked the same question. He says, I don't know. So that's the point. We don't know what Jeff Sessions is refused from what he isn't We do know Bob Mueller is inherently compromised on the uranium one issue. So I would prefer we didn't have to name a special counsel. But I don't see how you can avoid it. The logic says, if the Attorney General doesn't know what he's refused from what he isn't and if Bob Mueller is inherently compromised, we're not going to get the answers to all those things. And he just talked about unless we have a special counsel, and if it's someone withinside the department right now, no one will believe what those investigations produced. Because oh, the Jeff Sessions appoint this guy or was it a career person? So the only way to get this done, and I think done in a way that Americans will accept the verdict of accept the findings of the investigation is to have a special counsel. Well, I agree with you on the special council. I've been calling for for a long time. What if it does turn out and I mean, you know, here's the difficulty when you interview Jeff Sessions. I mean, okay, he he said, and then he clarified his remarks as you know after the exchange that he had with you, is that he was just talking about the standard for a special counsel, which means that he hasn't decided if a special council is going to be necessary. I'm also hearing a lot of rumors that there's gonna be dramatic changes at the FBI in the next week or so, so that should be interesting. But more importantly, you know, if he's sitting there knowing that there's an investigation into fusion, GPS, Russian interference as it relates to Hillary or uranium one, he can't tell you that. Yeah, but well maybe that's the case. But that was not the impression we got I Christian, we got his The facts have to be there to warn a special counsel, and I would come back to how about these facts? How about the fact that the Democrat National Committee and the Clinton campaign or paying for the for the dossier. And at the same time, it sure looks like the FBI was paying Christopher Still, the author of that dostier and it was taken lead believe to defies the court, to a federal judge, and it was the basis for fying on people associated with the Trump campaign. How about that? If if that's not a fact, Tavern and everything points to that took place. We don't know for certain, but it's sure like it was. That's what happened. If that's not, that's actual enough information to say we have to look at this and it requires a special council. I do not know what does. I do not know what does And that's what we're trying to get out. Yesterday, so and he was trying to get that. Mr sin and all of the super called to this. Yeah, well, I I agree on so many fronts, but so much has happened, so much has you know, gone on and every time the Clintons skate Congressman Jordan every time. I don't think you know at this point in time. You know, here, we spent a year investigating Trump Russia collusion. Now we know Hillary and the d n C funded this phony dossier full of Russian lies and propaganda and salacious, you know, misinformation to influence our election. And then she said, well, there's a difference between op research and uh and uh a collusion. Meanwhile, that's the very thing they were accusing, you know, Donald Trump of, and yet we don't, we don't see the investigation on the other side, and people like me and obviously you are getting frustrated. You said it best selling said this last time on your show. You just you said it there too. Uh. They were doing the very thing that they're accusing us, and frankly that shouldn't surprise us. This is how the left operate to again, all the more reason why we need someone from the outside that everyone respects, who can come in here and objectively investment. We're going to continue to investing in Congress. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna do everything. We can't uncover everything, but we need a special counsel. That's that's obvious. Let's let's make it happen. Let's move on. Yeah, all right, look, and let me go to you, Congressman bigs Um. You know Congress has to get a response when they asked for a special counsel. Isn't that the standard operating procedure? Yeah, that would be normal, that's right, Okay, yes or no? Alright. So three and a half months ago the first request went in, okay, and now you get these answers yesterday, which is, well, I can't talk about if there's an investigation. I'm not sure there's rises to the standard of a special counsel. There's certain criteria that it's got to meet. What's your reaction to that answer, Well, I think it's it's inadequate. I mean you couple that, Sean with the fact that the day before the hearing, we got a letter from the Attorney General saying that, well, we'll, we'll, we'll consider it. That's pretty weak. And then when he talks about who's going to be involved in considering it, he's referring to Rob Rosenstein, and so we have the same people who have the same conflicts as in the in the Mueller incident. We have this going on over here. It's it's, in my opinions, willfully inadequate. Yeah, well, I mean it's really this simple. We know Killery mishandled classified information. We know that that that information was picked up by five foreign entities and intelligence agencies. Then we know that she destroyed classified, top secret special access information. Uh, these were subpoena emails. And then she just destroys them, deletes them, acid washes, bleach bits them, and and bashes up devices with hammers. That to me is a classic case of obstruction. And I don't think I would not be in jail over that. Would I be a jelo that, Yes, you would, and so would I, and so at most every other American. And but for some reason people just jump on and protect the Clinton's and that's and that's what we have said. Look, we just want a fair and objective investigation, and we haven't had it. Clinton's haven't had it. Evidence keeps coming out. We've induced all kinds of evidence indicating both obstruction on the part of Hillary Clinton and the election collusion everybody's talking about with Russia. It turns out it's with these guys. The d N c and Hillary Clinton's campaign, and we want that to be investigated. That that isn't too much to ask in a free society that honors and reveres the rule of why. I don't think all right now many ask about James Come in particular, I mean and Robert Mueller, Kim Jordan's. Robert Muller was the FBI director in two thousand and nine. He knew that Vladimir Putin was trying to get a foothold into the uranian market in America. We know that those his agents in America were involved in bribery, pick backs, money laundering, extortion, and another racketeering crimes. And they know in two thousand and nine. And we have an informant that was on the inside asked by the FBI to stay there. So we have firsthand account, we have documents, emails, and tapes, and with all of that information acquired, knowing this is happening, why would anybody sign off on giving away of our uranium when we don't have enough uranium in the country, we have to import it anyway, exactly right, Sean. It's been also reported that he didn't share that knowledge. You just went through with any He didn't share it with Congress. He didn't share it with the American people. But probably most importantly, it's been reported that it was not shared with the committee. This Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States made up of folks from federal agencies, several federal agencies. He didn't share that information with them. You got an informat given you all this kind of information at a time when there's this Uranium one deal that's moving forward, and there's a committee who decides whether the deal happens or not, and you don't share the information with them. Why didn't you share that information? And now we have a foreman who and then a foeman who gave him all this was put under a gag order. Again, how can Robert Mueller that special counsel looking at that situation. He was part of the whole deal, part of the part of the investigation at the time. So again just underscoring why we need a separate special counsel to look at that issue in conjunction with everything else involving involving Mr Kelly All, I will take a break, we'll come back more with Congressman Andy Biggs and Jim Jordan As we continue. Congressman Jim Jordan as well those. Congressman Andy Biggs is with us, you know, as it relates to Mueller. Let me just dig a little bit deeper into all of this. If he's involved himself in the knowing all of this about you know, Putin and Russia and their desire to get ahold of uranium, and he didn't do anything about it, and might himself, if there ever is an investigation, have to answer questions himselves. Does that Does that warrant a recusal of him in any way, shape or form. Congressman Andy Biggs, Yes, it does, Sean. In fact, the federal statutes are very explicit that you cannot conduct an investigation if you're either the subject of the investigation, which Mr Mueller would be, or if you're a witness in the investigated issue, which he would be, or if you're affiliated or related to anybody that would be there, which he would be because it was his agency that he was overseeing. So, yeah, he has he has a conflict in bright neon lights. And so yesterday when I asked, I asked Attorney General Sessions, you know, do you even have a formal system to evaluate conflicts of interest? He said, no, there is not one in the Department of Justice. And I said, well, how do we determine them? Who determines it? He says, the individual attorney. So so are you telling me that, Mr Mueller. It's it's all up to Mr Mueller to determine whether he has a conflict of interest. That's a problem, that's a real problem, and that isn't the way it's done in private practice, I can tell you that. So I was very disappointed by that. Alright, guys, I gotta let you both go. I appreciate it. Jim Jordan and uh Andy Beggs. One Shawn is a toll free telephone number. You want to be a part of the program the top of the hour, it's always what what Well? I just thought, before we get into the business of Mr Daniels. The legend here was I was going to introduce my buddy, my friend, my pal, the great patriot, the great football fan, the one of the greatest country. Only a half an hour. Actually Daniels is here, and you're annoying. You already interrupted the wasting time. But I think if a real proper welcome to Mr Daniels would be if you sang him his greatest song. Devil went down, not complete unless you're singing right well, you mean a version that I've already saw, a version that you can sing with him? All right? Ready, alright. The Devil went down to Georgia and he was looking for a soul to steel. He was in a buying because he was way behind, so I was willing to make a deal. When he came across this young man's song on the fiddle and playing it hot well, the devil he jumped up on a hickory spot and he said, boy, let me tell you what to tell you what? Yes, you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player too, and if you care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you. How you played pretty good, fiddle, boy, But give the devil his due. I'll bet a fiddle a gold against your soul because i think I'm better than you, because i think i'm bitter to you. The boy said, my name is Johnny, and it may be a sin, but I'll take your bet and you're gonna regret because I'm the best has ever been. Play your fiddle hard sales broke Georgian. The Devil music cards, and if you get all right, I can't ruin all and the whole song I'm butchering into the alright. So Charlie Daniels is with us. You know you came out with this never look at the empty seats. And I have spent so much time with you, and We've done so many events together, and I've watched you performed so many times, and the thing is you, I don't even know how older you are, doing a hundred someone dates a year, I'll be a d eighty one in four days. You look amazing and the energy you bring to the people that come to your shows is phenomenal. I feel the same way about my profession you feel about yours. We both love it, love it and you put your best into it every every day. I do every night, and it's just it's a it's a joy. It's a joy to do. You know. I've actually been to events and and maybe the crowd size wasn't what we thought it was. That's happened to anybody. I guess it's performing right, you know. Sometimes you don't have enough notice. Sometimes the word didn't get out, they didn't promote it right or whatever, and then used that used to bother me. I'm like, why don't you fill the seats? Why is it? And and then I learned it doesn't matter if there's ten people there, you give your all for ten people, if you're all for whoever is there, and you're not concerned with the empty seats. You're concerned with the ones. They have people in them. If you please them, then that's why you build a following. They'll come back and bring somebody else with them, and kind of snowballs and yeah, but you don't have hardly have empty sea. Occasionally we have some empty seas. Yeah, especially when we first started. This is about Really it's kind of an X since you wait, the positive type of thing. If you can't get what you won't take what you can get and make what you want out of it. You know, you have a lot of things that guide you in life. One is your faith, your love of music, your love of football, and you have a love of politics. You're I watch you, you write your blog and you go out and you're tweeting up a storm and you're passionate about this country. You're passionate about everything you do. What are you most passionate about your music? I am almost My priorities are God, family, and and country music and country, yeah, God, family, country and work. It's me. I'm curious because I know what a great patriot you are, and I know how much you love our troops. How many times you go see the men and women when they were out fighting. We've been to women to Rack three times. But we've been to Afghanistan and we go of course, you go to rat you go to Kuwait because that's a jumping out of place, coach. We've been Costobo, um, Serajevo, We've been to one ton of oh, just all over it. But wherever you can get to him. You know, we can never do enough troops. Anybody put their life between us and our enemies. How do you reconcile the big, great patriot lover of our military because they give you the freedom to play me, the freedom to brant on the radio and on television, um, and they put their lives on the line for us. How do you reconcile that with your passion for football? I know you like college football probably better anyway. But what's going on in the NFL. You know, I've got've got I'm still kind of wondering if I'm gonna renew my my season tickets. Next year, I found myself and this is right, this just happened that I'm not as it used to be. Football was on, I had TV on. I've kind of it's kind of lost a little bit of its glow to me. And you know what gets me about it is, I you want to protest something, you feel something wrong, please do It's free country. You can do that. But the guy holding it, or the gal holding that flag out there in that color guarden may well be a veteran, or maybe not even a veteran, maybe still an active duty person who has put their laugh on the land of Aforghani stand rock or someplace we don't even know about, and you can't take thirty seconds to honor them the flag that they served under and the song that signifies the whole thing in our country. You know That's that's my point. And listen, I'm I made my living, you know, giving my opinions and strong opinions. A lot of people don't like us, Charlie, trust me, and I respect people that have different views. I really do. I'm fine. I'm cool with that, even people that don't like me and I want to write horrible things and lies about me, which happens pretty much every day. But how many we can't unite on this issue. How many fought, how many bled, how many died, how many sacrifice for you to have the right to get paid millions to play the sport you love absolutely and and be loved by the crowds. You but you, you took the words out of my mouth. It took I'm not watching NFL football. I'm watching college football. It's pretty good to it. It's you know, isn't it fun? And like to ascertain the only the miniscule differences in terms of talent level, And then you think there's only a few of those college kids that are ever getting the pros. And I'm like that, I think they're all good. Yeah. You know what's amazing is you get it. There's a whole mindset to college football that you don't have when you watch pro It's like these kids are doing it, they're they're they're giving it their best. They were to make it and to watch you. You know, Alabama should have to play after what they did about Tennessee the other day. Yeah, but it's it's great. It's college football is a great thing. I'm every Saturday. I got TV. I don't know how Nick Saban does it every year. Every year it's a championship team on the field. I wish I did. So you're a volunteer fan. I'm a volunteer fan. Well listen, I admire that. What is it? How many years now? Is the total music for you? And well? You musical when you were born, when you were young. I cut the apron strings in nineteen June of nineteen fifty eight and I left home. I saw I've insisting or something to do in music. I was, well, n would have been coming to me twenty two years old. I was twenty one. That was it. You went out on your own, never looked back, went about my own, never looked back. And I've done it on all different levels, of course, but it's all been music related except for five weeks I worked in a junkyard Denver, Colorado. Was that I couldn't get with. Well it was. It brought me very much down to earth. It made me realize I appreciate my You know, I came from a labor type background, blue collar people, tobacco and uh timber, you know that sort of thing, and so I was not I was no stranger sweating. Maybe I've done it, you know, And I got hav the empathy for everybody. I ride down the street and see the truck drivers and loading the trucks, I got the empathy for that person. It's hard those and I did all the construction work and restaurant work. But I'll tell you this, it was. Looking back, I think it's it saved my life in a lot of ways because it gave me the empathy, the perspective, real life experience, and and you know, look, I mean if I get tired and I'm I'm grinding it out and on the road like you are sometimes and I'm flying from so I was in five cities and three days recently. You know this past weekend, I have no reason to complain. Charlie Ian and faith in God does that too? Oh yeah, definitely. Um, when you perform, is that the time that you feel the best in your life. It's one of the few times I ever feel like in my life that I know exactly what I'm doing. I have devoted my life. I know, when you sit down in front of a microphone, you take on a hope or sona, I mean, you're sharone Hannity on the air, and it's very obvious that you're at home back there. I'm at home when I walk on to stage, just the way you correlate the way you feel when you sit down behind that microphone, and that's the way I feel when I walk on stage. It's funny because my kids, Charlie, I have a studio near my house, and sometimes they'd come in when I'm doing the radio show from home. I'm in New York today and they'd come in and they're like, Daddy, you just your veins are popping out of your neck and you're screaming and you and I'm like, uh, well, let me do the radio show. They say, Hi, welcome to the Sean Hannity Show, and our numbers one eight nine one. I said, nobody's gonna listen to that. But here's the interesting thing to me, and I want to know if you can relate to this. The first time I got behind a microphone did that. I just I started talking like this, you know, And I have no idea why. I have no idea where that came. Because you're doing exactly what you want to do. That's what you put. That's when you put your whole heart and soul into it. When you're doing exactly I would not change places, and I know you wouldn't either. I'm looking straight. I want to be Garth Brooks Kenny test me in my next life. There's already one of them. But you're doing exactly what you want to do when you put your heart and soul into it. And I'm the same way. When I learned three chords and I could play a whole song, I was ruined. That's all I wanted to do. You know. One day I was with Billy Graham. It was his last crusade, and it was in New York. It wasn't flushing, and look he's he's very was old at the time, isn't I think it's it's like headed towards a hundred now and he's in a wheelchair. And then all of a sudden it was Raley tu and I watched him. He look looks like a force drove him up the stairs and behind that podium. And I watched you too, and it's the same thing. I out with you. All of a sudden, you're just Charlie. You're taking pictures, you're doing selfies, and then it's game time and you're just like let's go and you start twirling, that it's time that bow and boom, time to time to do it? What? Um? What? What? What you're giving advice in this book? What do you tell people? The first thing I tell you, know, young people ask me what about the music career and about how long you longevity and the sort of thing. The first thing I tell him, make sure you love it enough to put up with the sacrifices, to put up with the rejection, to put up with all the things, your failures, what you're gonna do, and to put up with people just being mean to you. That you can put up with all of that, because if you have any success, people are gonna be jealous of you. They're gonna try to bring you back down. If you can't do that, if you can't put up with those people, those situations, in those circumstances, stay home, not the business for you. At home, play the lounges on the weekend. You don't come out on don't come out on the road and break your heart because that's gonna happen to you. Um. I think I've learned more from my failures than my success. You do learn from failures. It's like burn your fingers on the stove, you know. Yeah, seriously, it's like, I ain't gonna do that no more. I'm not doing that again, Zach, I heard singing the Devil the other day. Well, yeah, serious, a lot of people sing. In fact, Garth Brooks opened the Mercedes Dome in Atlanta and of all things he did, went down to Georgia first. He was very honor Yeah, definitely, but your But the thing is is because I know a lot of these countries that everybody loves you. You like the father of country music. Now, I mean, I don't know if you ever if you set out to have that happen, Why are you able to survive the temptations on the road. I mean, I've been out with these bands, Charlie, a lot of girls with a lot of well not so many clothes on, throwing themselves at these guys, a lot of booze, some of doing drugs. You never got into any of that. Well, my career is the thing. To me. I'm you don't going to road your party. That's some common misconception. Anybody has another thing. You have to understand. If you're going to go on the road to party to pick up girls, and that sort of thing. Stay home, because that's you're not gonna either. You can do that at home, you know, don't go on the road and ruin your career. Maybe they don't like the Carlton town jelly. I don't know. I've seen so many careers ruined because of that. Drugs and yeah, but just all it all kind of works together. After a while. People get alcohol habit or drug habit, or they just fall apart. They take their focus off of what they love and all of a sudden they're doing stuff that But everybody thinks there that you want a party with them in the city that you're in. I don't even want to party with me anymore. So how many dates are you gonna do this year? We'll do a hundred to ten grandol Opry appearance. Isn't a couple of charity things? Well, but you know it sounds like a lot and but actually I can handle that. There's no problem. A piece of cake cre basically it's not a piece of cake. But it's about we're getting up to about the limit right there. But yeah, accounting a grand you know when you remember the Grandel librty want you to do ten shows a year, So I have so much respect for the for the thing I do you know, I got to mc that one that was when you come back doing in I had come out. They didn't ask me, Charlie. Every time I listen it was such a great honor. I would sing the Devil with you, and I butchered the song. It don't matter. Did you notice how I was leading the band. We were playing with you, so you have to sing with us. I think you're probably right. There was one day I missed an entire um what's first verse, the entire first of the song, and I'm like, and you look at me, you look at your band members, and you're laughing, and there's nothing I could do at that point. But Sean, do you realize with incredible charge our crowds go, that was the last song we do remember, and we build up to that, and all of a sudden, Sean Hannity comes out, I guess, and you were like, you look like Garth Brooks, jumping on the bike stand, jumping on the drumstand, running all over the stage. You know that. But they got the crowd gout said how many people got to hear that? How many people? Only the people we played for you were laughing. You got to hear Sean Hannity, dude went now did Georgia says, By the way, I'll tell everybody. It's on YouTube, it's all over the place, and I have looked at it myself, you know, over these many years. Um, it's been my honor. It really has to get to know you. And and every time I called you, Charlie, I need you for we can. We're raising money, but we need you here. We need you here, we need you always there. Um, you have been a mentor, a life mentor, an example for all of us. I love your music. I love who you are more as a person than anything else. I love this book, by the way, Never Look at the Empty Seats just out today. It's on Hannity dot com, It's on Amazon dot com, It's and bookstores everywhere. And it's always a pleasure to see my friend. Always. Thank you, Never look at the empty seats, our friend, Charlie Daniels, Hannity dot com, Amazon dot com, bookstores everywhere. We have an amazing Hannity Tonight on the Fox News Channel. Sarah Carter, John Solomon, Victoria Tunsing, Greg Jared and Jay Seculo all back. We have massive developments as relates to the dossier and the Uranian one issue new wos you won't get from anybody else, will break it all down for you, all these new developments and it's all coming up tonight at nine on the Fox News Channel Hannity and we hope you'll always set your DVR. But that's all the time we have for today. Thanks for being with us. Back here tomorrow, Sea tonight at nine