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I'm just a count lawyer. The country held by the accent I'm a real lawyer. Uh. I am J. Seculo, chief council of the American Center for Lawn Justice and one of the council to the President and Rudy Giuliani of course, America's mayor, former U. S. Attorney Department of Justice official, and for purposes of right now, my colleague and co counsel in a case involving uh Russia inquiry that we're engaged in. You may have read something about it. We're also gonna be taking your calls, and I'm gonna give the number correctly because Linda said, get the number correctly. One eight nine one seven three to six or eight hundred nine four one sewn. That's because I gave the number to my radio broadcast before. I've done that before on this broadcast, and I'm not gonna do it again. So anyways, one eight hundred nine four one seven three to six or eight hundred nine one sean. You could ask Giuliani or me, either one of us or both of us at the same time. Questions of the day. We've got a lot to talk about. Obviously, a lot of you are gonna want to talk to us about what is happening with regard to the Russia probe we are also talking about and this is UH important. UH that's an important issue also. But UH, Realdy and I have both been working for over a year trying to secure the release of an American pastor UH named Andrew Brunson who's was in jail for nineteen months in Turkey. He's now at a house arrest. We're close to getting a resolution in that case. The President, Rudy, you and I both know it's been working NonStop on this. We've been and we're working on this for a long time. But we're getting close. I mean, we're getting there. But Turkey is taking a real hit financially right now, especially today, Turkey is taking a real hit financially. Their their economy is in trouble. It reminds me to some extent of what's happening in Iran with the sanctions that have been placed there that just sort of just doubles down on their economic problems to start with. And I think people are starting to realize what happens when America imposes sanctions all of a sudden. Other countries don't want to trade with you because they need the American banks that rely on the American banks. America could then impose sanctions on them for doing it. And I think it's a this idea that we need all these other countries to agree with us on sanctions. We drive, we drive the world economy. Well, I know it Underran on the Iran issue. You've been very involved, and of course I had a We had another American that was held hostage by the Iranians, got out a couple of years back, uh, and again sanctioned. The president is imposed UH. Finally, you know, they've been for a couple of administrations. They've been saying crippling SA sanctions, but now they actually did it. You know, what kind of impact do you think is gonna have An Iran have a tremendous impact without the sanctions, based on just their own internal economic problems. They've had UH demonstrations and protests in over a hundred forty two cities starting in January. They're very very well orchestrated. People have been arrested and killed, but they still go on. They're getting worse, the economic problems get worse. There has a chance, I don't want to overstate it, but there has a chance that this regime could be in trouble. I think that's right. And in Turkey right now, with their following economy, I think they've got to make some tough decisions, and one of them is not so tough. Let the Americans, not just this pastor. Let the Americans that you're holding hostage Turkey, let them go back to the United States. Not that complicated. I understand this is a lot of political issues, and that's a lot of it, but it's you're looking like hostage situations. Having said all of that, there's also some news on the domestic front you may have been felt and that the mayor and I have been involved in, and that isn't our representation of the president. And of course you heard that. There was a response that we put together with our team. We've got a great team of lawyers involving a request from the Special Counsel to interview the President of the United States. I'm sure you're gonna have some calls and comments about that. We have had some comments about that. To say the least, that we've been talking about that. We're not going to tell you what we have said, even though really wanted to the other day a reporter at me, he did say that actually that reporter. He said to this particular reporter, I I wouldn't mind saying something, but Jay would be really angry if I did. But we will tell you this. Look, this is a process that you're we're going through right now, and uh, there's a lot that go in that goes into it. I think the Constitution is clear that there's not a right to interview the president under Article two. I think the Supreme Court would come to that conclusion. I think it also reigns as serious issues not just for this president, but for future presidencies and especially Rudy. With the nature and scope of the cooperation that this White House has given to the investigators, it's it's unprecedented, especially in light of the irregularities. Will go through the irregularities in a minute, but but this has been unprecedented cooperation. It has it's been unprecedented cooperation. So the end what that yields is, under any set of circumstances, the court is going to require they make a showing for why they need the information. Well, they already have it. They already have all the information plus more. They would have no ability to show uh need for this information. For example, they have his explanations. He's given them on every television, on radio, on tweets, on Remember they were arguing one of the reports was obstruction by tweet. Yeah, I mean I didn't think about that for a moment. Obstruction by tweet, I mean, how can okay? So well, I'm gonna give you a great example from Greg Jared's book. Greg Jared points out that Barack Obama during the sixteen election pronounced Hillary Clinton innocent, right, He said, he said, she may have been careless, but she didn't affect national security. Well, several weeks later, that's exactly what Comy wrote. She may have been careless, but she didn't affect national security. So you could say he obstructed that investigation, except for the fact that he was doing the same thing that our president does accept on different set of circumstances. He was giving his opinion, which is protected by the way by the Person Amendment to the United States Constitution, protected by his authorities under Article two of the United States Constitution. After all, he's the president of the United States, and the President of the United States gets to not only a pine, but to take action. And the idea that you would question the president about the motives of why he terminated a A subordinate raises, as I said, really serious, uh constitutional issues. Having said that, we have been and continue to maintain a very cooperative attitude. But I will tell you about that cooperation. We draw lines and uh we rejected the proposal that came out from the Special Counsel. In this last round, we came back with another proposal. We'll see what happens on that. But you can be cooperative, you could be professional without you don't have to be disagreeable. But if you look at the scope and nature of this inquiry, the way it started, the corruption at the outset, we've joined Later in the broadcast, we've got you know, John Solomon coming up a great story in the Hill about Bruce Or the number four. The Justice Department is in conversations with Chris Steele, who's working with Fusion GPS to put together this dossier, and the president just happens to be Nelly Or. Bruce Or's wife is also working for Fusion GPS and just happens to be assigned Mayor to to working with Christopher Steele on the dossier, which then James Coby takes and reviews with the then president elect in Trump Tower in January. You got it? Whatever that means. By the way, uh, you know that that's another story the crime of collusion, which, of course, as I said, the rural regulation and law on that when I'm still trying to figure out I think they're still trying to figure that out as well. But having said all of that, you you look at the irregularities and this investigation and the way it's gone on we have. How about the fact that the special Council is appointed because James Comey decides to leak a memo of a conversation he had with the President of the United States purportedly, and he leaks this memo to get a special counsel and he says that and it's moren't testimony. Why did he think he why did he think it would yield a special counsel and independent council? I mean, that's a great question. Why would why would the Justice Department certainly wasn't conflicted from you can argue whether whether Sessions was, but the Justice Department wasn't conflicted. How did he know that Rosenstein would use that as the basis for an independent council? Did they have a conversation about it? Did they talk about it? Um, I don't know. My suspicious nature tells me he must have known something that hasn't been revealed yet. Well, look, we're getting in information every single day. I mean, there's no information coming forward on this. I mean literally every single day. I mean, it's not it seems like there's a new aspect of this that you you can't even believe, and then then it happens. I mean, it doesn't even get into the issues of the Fieser warr and what that was based upon. And as I said, how would you like to be that judge? I mean in the Fiser case talk about, you know, information that isn't correct purportedly, and that's what we're hearing from Congress, of course. And then you and I take it another step on this, and I think this is important for everybody to understand, is we have a job to do, which is to give our client the appropriate advice. What do we think he should do in light of all of the issues and in light of the Constitution. And that is a that is a highest honor that any lawyer could have representing a president and defending the Constitution. And that's why we have to go through a deliberative process. Yeah, we can't just shoot from the hip we've got we have to be able to have thought it out. We have to also be able to answer his questions. And you know, he takes us very seriously. He does have a desire to doesn't have a desire to that he's innocent, which he is. But he also understands his role as president and that he just can't throw aside prerogatives of the presidency. Yeah, and this also impacts I mean, let's be realistic here, this will impact not just this president. The decision we recommend to the president not only impacts this president, but it becomes a precedent then for other presidencies. Interesting, Lewis, we're doing the analysis and you look at how how witnesses have cooperated in this case unprecedented. You look at information that's gone over to the Special Council, unprecedented, and then you look at what had presidents done, I mean sometimes have been written questions. That's still an interview. Uh, so that maybe one way this can go. Sometimes it's combinations thereof we'll see. I mean, you know, as we're not going to and I think this is something we need to say. We're not going to disclose what we have come back to the Special Council with. I don't think we've heard the end of this. There's a lot of speculation out there, but we're gonna make the right advice to our client. There will be no perjury trip. I've said that, You've said down on air, there's no perjury trap here. We're not because we're not gonna allow it. No, no, no, I mean that's so obviously one of the things they're trying to do that. Um, it's it's not easy, but we can we can certainly protect against that. And I think that's one of the things that I don't want I don't want to talk about the matters for trial, but I mean I will say this. You know we can do it after say a perjury trap and in other words, here you've got you've got one witness that says this is what happened, and then you've got another witnesses that recalls, well, no, that's not how I recall it. It It happened this way, and it's does then someone right up report and say, well we believe this one, we don't believe that one. Thus it's perjury. So this is the problem with with just walking anyone in I mean, in any case and with no underlying crime. I mean again, if Flynn is the example, uh, no crime. If it had been said President says, go easy on him, which the President says he didn't say. He said, he didn't say stop it, don't do it. Uh So no crime. However, it didn't take place, according to the President. According to Comey, it did. Now worse, if it did, it wouldn't have mattered. But then you but you're right. If there's two different recollections of a meeting, now do you set set a perjury situate? Now we have plenty we have plenty of it it happen, We got plenty of information to impeach him with, including the fact that he testified on DeRos. By the way, when we say impeach him with, we mean impeach the impeach the Willy James call me there. I just want to I don't want anybody to clip that two seconds. You know, I know it's hard to believe that people do that. You just NM would never do that, None of them would. Nobody will clip just a sentence and then remove the other thing. But having said that, no, you're right, I mean that's part of the process that we're gonna get into. All right, So we're gonna take we're having a good time. By the way, you can follow Ready Giuliani on Twitter at what's your Twitter handle? At Rudy Giuliani. Yeah, and you could. That's not so hard and minds at Jay Seculo. So are we sure about that? Or do I need to check this out? Right? Will you check it out? Gonna check it out while I get ready to go to a break. It's at J Secular that I could tell you for sure. You could also follow our work at the American Center for Law and Justice, said a c l J dot Org. When we come back from the break, your calls in comment there, He's got it right at Rudy Giuliani. Hey, welcome back to the John Hannity Show. J Seculo here with Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Giuliani and Seculo. Let's say that. I'll just say that, and we're taking your calls. We're gonna go to a call and I need to say something though. I had the privilege today to go to the Statue of Liberty and go by Ellis Island with my grandchildren, and I am the grandson of a Russian immigrant to the United States. My grandfather was a group peddler in Brooklyn, New York, and his grandson me. I get to argue cases at the Supreme Court in the United States and represent a president. And I had my my my grandson was with me, and I had three of my grandchildren, and my I got to tell my grandson, I said, now I'm the Paul Paul right now. So I said, you know, my Papa, you're great, great. All Paul came right through that building at Ellis Island in fourteen to come to the greatest country in the world, the United States of American, and his eyes lit up. I'm just saying, it is a great country. And you think about those things, and I know you're so. I have a very very good friend, Elliott, who came to America when he was four or five, escaping the Holocaust, and he will tell you he has amnesia. Uh, of course, he's only three or four years old about anything before the following thing. As he's coming through the Verrazano Narrows, the first thing he remembers his seeing a statue of liberty. And when he tells you that story, Mariah, right, we he uh, he started crying. Yeah, well it's still time today. I mean it's sixties, seventy years later, and it started crying to I mean, I think about that. When I argue cases at the Spreme Court, they start him the same way, God Save the United States. The Honorable Court. They call a case number, They call a case number, and then they say, Mr Secular will now hear from you. I make a Mr. Secular, the grandson of the Russian You ever haven't dreamed that you forget what to say when you get up? I don't and even get you know, I don't recall every in my case is actually opening up the everybody takes up a notebook. I don't recall ever returning to the first page. It just so quick. So we're we're co hosting for Sean Hannity. I'm at j Seculo on Twitter and Rudy is at Rudy Giuliani on Twitter, and you can follow me also on a c l J dot org. And we're gonna not take a call yet because we're gonna be taking a break pretty soon, but we're gonna take calls when we come back, So you can call us at eight hundred nine one seven three to six. That's eight hundred nine one Sean. Rudy Giuliani, the Mayor of New York, the great Mayor of New York, America's mayor, and me just a lawyer happens to be. Both of us represent the press of the United States. We got a lot to talk about. We're looking forward to talking with you. But we'll tell you this when I talk about that thing with my grandson boy, all those every time. All right, we'll be back with your calls in just a moment. You won't hear the mainstream press talking about this stuff. Sean Hannity is on the radio. Hey, welcome back to The John Hannity Show. Ja Seculo and Rudy Giuliani guest co hosting for Sean Hannity. We're also taking your phone calls at seven three to six. It's one Sean. You can follow Rudy Rudy Giuliani at Lien on Twitter at Rudy Giuliani, and you could follow me on Twitter at j Seculo or at a c l J dot org. We are also taking your calls. As I said again, eight hundred six, let's go ahead and go to dain't Ohio. Peter is on the phone. Hi, Peter, Yeah, Hi, Mr. Second call me, Ja, don't call me, you don't call me Mr. But I go ahead, Hey, I just don't know. And I'm just I just continued on the fact that we know criminal activity uh and and speaking in regards to Clinton, we have proof for that. And why are we not pursuing that? Why is not a g sessions pursuing those criminal acts? You got a little rain going on there, Pete, Peter sounds like either I'm a drummer. You you're either keeping a really steady beat, or you're you got or you get right or a click or or your you got your wipers on? Just one of the two. I suspect that your wipers. But anyways, you ask a good question. You ask a good question. So what about So supposedly there's an investigation mayor going on by the U. S. Attorney's Office and UTAH that was appointed to look at all of those issues related to um UH Secretary Clinton. That's supposed to be ongoing, and you wouldn't necessarily know what's going on in that investing. You did investigations like that, so the public wouldn't know as it's going on. Well, I don't. I mean that should be the case. But the reality is this is such a public thing. If this was a very active investigation, we would know it. And it's a source of great frustration that none of these things are being pursued with the enthusiasm that they should be pursued. All the things that that Greg Jarrett was talking about before John Solomon, these are things that normally a federal prosecutor jumps on and um here here here, they've been investigating for a year and a half, two years to find a crime to investigate, and they haven't found it yet. And here we have a bunch of alleged crimes and they're not investigating the row violating the Federal Records Act, violating the Privacy Act, obstructing, obstructing justice, paying, paying a foreign national to compile a false dossier on on on Donald Trump, uh, putting it in as a basis for a fiser wire, knowing that that that issued those that's because they think first couple of times they couldn't get the Fisher warrant, they could get the I think the judge should refer the whole thing for criminal prosecution. Maybe that fire under them. One of the things I've wondered, you know, as you look through all of this, and you look at and and I do think it's important to understand the context and the nature of what's taken place here. The the investigation from its inception was fraught with conflict and corruption. I mean, and and every day it's something new. And these are not facts, and let's talk about facts that are not in dispute. It is not in dispute that Christopher Steele was the primary author with with Fusion GPS of the dossier, which James Commy said was slicious and unverified. We know that the fact, so Christopher Steele. That's a fact. We know that the FBI ultimately fired Christopher Steele because he was leaking. Yet at the same time, we also know as fact undisputed that Bruce Or, the number four the Justice Department at the time, wife Nellie Or, worked for Fusion GPS and was assigned to work with Christopher Steele on the dossier. This is the number four the Justice Department spouse working for Christopher with a Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele. Christopher Steele gets piled fired because of leaking, which seems to be the issue over there, and then you have conversations still going on with Bruce or and trying to get him back in Bruce Or, by the way, still at the United States Department of Justice. Interesting all of this, and I even brought up the stock and page situation. Oh, this is begging for an investigation, a serious one, a grand jury investigation. Also, if Rosenstein is appointing special council, independent council uh as he did, basically being manipulated by Comey, why the heck not a point one here? Yeah? Why? I thought about that too. Yeah, I raised that issue. All right, we're taking your calls eight hundred six or eight hundred nine f one Seawan. I'm Jay Secular here with Rudy Giuliani Julian Inseculo hosting the Shawan Hennedy showed. Let's go to Staten Island, Scott, you're on there, Hey, Jay, fan of yours? Hello, Mr Mayor, big fan of yours. How are you? And I'm a fan of Staaten Island? You know that there you go? Oh yeah, well, if you trust me, we're a huge fan of yours too. What's what's going on? Guys? But I I really I'm really concerned. What's going on. You know, you have all these ultra left wingers out there, and uh, I just got to know that if, if this is over, that you guys are really going to drop the hammer on some of these people. I mean, Colly, uh, mulla um, all these other people you know, and now you have Diane Feinstein out there employing a Chinese spy for the last twenty years. Uh, you have all these only two decades, right, and that's all. I mean, you know, it wasn't that long. I mean you also have these people. The way they're speaking about the president and his family. I've never heard anything like it in my life. And they're telling lies and lies and lies. But please tell me that after this garbage is done. I mean, obviously you can't tell me. Obviously I understand, but people are going to get in trouble for this. Well. Look, I mean I have some experience with the government officials that have not done appropriate conduct, and that was Lois Learner. Uh, and the targeting that she engaged in at the I R S. I actually represented those conservative groups that challenged the I R S on this. Ultimately, Lois Lerner took the fifth amenmetry the right to do it rather than testifying, although she took it in a kind of an unusual way. Uh. She lost her position, did not lose her pension. She was not criminally prosecuted, and we as private lawyers, can't initiate, We can't bring a criminal case. That's what the government UH does in that case, though it did cause reform within the Internal Revenue Service, at least within the nonprofit world. Now, Rudy, you involved in this because of I'll use the nine eleven example. We obviously had gaps and flaws in our intelligence gathering. You're part of the team that kind of reput it all back together again. So what does happen when you look at you got this, you know, fundamental problem within an agency here, the FBI, d O J. What do you do well? I think if I were the Attorney General, I would appoint an independent council and I'd appoint the independent Council of the two purposes purpose number one to appropriately prosecute the people who violated these uh these laws, UH call me. Clearly, UH leaked a document that he wasn't supposed to leak, clear violation of the law. He committed perjury about whether he was obstructed or not he felt he was obstructed. I could go on and on. So I'd have those things that I destruct thing, the dossier, the paying for it, the lying to the court, all that should be investigated. But I'd also have the Independent Council do a report on how to clean this up so it doesn't happen in the future. That's what happened after Watergate. I I joined the Justice Department and I was the associate Deputy Attorney General for Judge Harold Tyler when he was the deputed ed Levy, and we produced a document of how to reform the Justice Department. So it included rules like, um, you can't communicate with the White House except through the White House Council's office. The Just Department just can't call up the White House and discuss a criminal case. Uh. We are in need of that kind of straightening out of the Just Department. Now. You know, you know how frustrated the President is but understandably about the state of the Justice. What he says, my Justice Department is doing this. My Just Department is doing that. It needs thoroughgoing reform the way ed Levy reformed it after Watergate, because it was completely infected by Obama let's go ahead and take another call, and I think let's go to Las Vegas and Larry. Larry, go ahead, you're on the Sean Hannity Show. Yes, gentlemen, thank you for taking my call. He appreciate it. I'm a retired law enforcement officer. I practiced my profession in Illinois and Nevada. Very clear, it is very clear to me, sir, And I'm very familiar with all the patronage system works, and I know the mayor should be very familiar with this and running a big city. Obama protected Hillary and we know that there's things that even mentioned in Kevin Klein's book Guilty as Sin, where Comey was called in. So these are all directives given by the past president Barack Obama, and everything that's come out um revealed through Fox News and other entities and a lot of books, is very clear Obama should be charged. The Department of Justice is being lack in its responsibility right now to which they should be looking and investigating and charging Barack Obama would abusive power. Well, I think I don't want to jump. I don't think you could. I would, I would agree with you. It is crying out for an investigation. Uh. There are a couple others where it is clear they violated the law. Comy clear, Uh, the dossier clear, the people who pay for that dossier, and then the people who included it in the Fiser application maybe the worst of all. But whether how much did the president know and when did he know it? And that's a good question. It is worthy of investigation. But I think in fairness we yeah, I'm shouldn't jump to a conclusion. Yeah, you know, look, I think here's the problem. That's this idea that you know, you immediately go to an investigation of of of a former president or a president. I think, listen, we're all I think that for Rudy and certainly for me and Rudy that the fact is we're dealing with one right now. Uh, and these things should not be entered into lightly. And I think you've got to understand that's part of the process that we're going through in dealing with representation of the president and why this is, you know, why we're in this discussions that we've had with UH, with the Special Counsel's Office and continue to have regarding where this ends. We want this to be over with soon. We think the country deserves it to be over with soon. Our position is clear that we do not think there's been any violation of any law, rules or regulations. But we want to see this end. And this has been unprecedented cooperation at the highest levels, and I'm just gonna leave it at that. I'm gonna take another call though, because uh, someone is calling about a situation that Mayor I think really you could address, and that's Amy from Colorado and she's concerned about Chicago. Amy. Go ahead, you're on the show. Hi, gentlemen. It is to honor to speak to both of you. Um, my question is for you, Mr Mayor. I have a brother that listen in Chicago. Of course I'm concerned about the situation there. Um, you know all the dusts over the past week and they just don't seem to have their act together. What recommendations do you have to clean that citty up? Well, let's let's just remind people they were seventy two people shot over last weekend. Seventy two people in the weekend of the last weekend. Not a single person as if yesterday arrested, which is not unusual. They don't clear all but about one out of twenty shootings, which is totally impossible to understand, and the mayor. The mayor has finding all kinds of excuses other than let's reform. Let's reform the situation and handle it. What would you do? I would? I would, I would immediately that immediately appoint a police commissioner who was going to put in a CompStat system that really works, which means measuring crime. It was invented. CompStat was invented by me, Bill Bratton, Jack Maple. One of the people who clearly knows it well is Gary McCarthy who's running for mayor of Chicago. He ran the system for us for four or five years. UM, I don't want to get involved in the politics that it's a computer, computer based system. It very intricate. It measures crime every day, and then it pin maps. It puts on a map, tells you whether crimes are being committed, shows you where your gaps are. And then every day you readjust your policing to try to have the police in the right place at the right time. And then every week you have a step meeting which in which you go about through about two or three hours of way you did it right, way you did it wrong? Who needs resources. What could be? What is? Why would they not doing The city of New York has been doing that since the first day of crime is down seventy to murders down about Chicago? Why are they doing about three times the murders of New York? Why not do it? Why would they do it? Why would Ram Emanuel do it? You have to ask Ram Emanuel. I mean he's fiddling while Chicago burns. Uh. Ram Emanuel is not a law enforcement guy. He doesn't understand that his police department doesn't do a damn thing for him because he turns his back on him. Part of this is also your police department has to be willing to go the extra mile for you. Because you go the extra mile for them, you constantly you're constantly blaming them for things. You're making them worried about doing their jobs. They're just not going to do their jobs. If they're ordinary cop, the hero cop will do it anyway? Is it part? So it's part a policing issue. Part is a structural issue. It's a policing issue, it's a moral issue. It's a it's a look the communities want it now. I mean he's he's having terrible problems. Plus he made some comment on it's only in certain neighborhoods. You've done right, m It's in certain neighborhoods, in the poor neighborhoods. It's in the black neighborhoods, and they are the people who are being slaughtered and you're not doing a damn thing about it. All right, we're with the Rudy Giuliani, Giuliani and Seculo here subhosting or not subhosting, co hosting, no hosting for sure. Yes, we're also gonna take your calls at seven, three to six or eight one sewn. Also, I should say if you want to follow us, you can do that at Rudy Giuliani, at j Seculo or a c l J dot org. You've got a lot more ahead and what I consider a very fun day being able to host the Shawan Hannity Show. All Right, we'll talk to you more in just a moment. Hey, welcome back to the Shawan Hannity Showed. Jay Seculo here co hosting with Mayor Rudy Giuliani. We've got a lot more ahead, by the way, coming up, but it is great doing this with you. Well, I think we've clearly demonstrated and will demonstrate on the course of this show that there's a lot of questions about this investigation. It surely looks like an illegitimate investigation. President United States said this a long time back, that it's a witch hunt, and uh, you can describe in a lot of ways a hoax like uh, like uh Greg's book. But you look at the questions that keep flowing out, ye, and there's more information coming out, by the way, coming, keep listening, coming up. We've got some of my colleagues at the American Center for Law and Justice. We're gonna talk about Turkey, talk about that issue involving Pastor Andrew Brunson. We've got a lot more ahead. We're having a lot of fun here on the Sean Hannity Show. We'll be back with more in just a moment. Everybody, Welcome back to our two of the Shawan Hannity broadcasts. At Jay Seculo. I am sitting in for Sean and also joining me today is gonna be my good friend Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Just heard from him. You're gonna hear from him some more. But I'm gonna's before we get back to Mayor Giuliani. And there's a lot of news going on, obviously, but there's one thing that, um, I have a a steak in, I will say, and that is, of course I was taking most of the news these days. I was making a joke the other day that, uh, sometimes you're making the news, sometimes you're in the news, and sometimes you're just talking about the news. I will tell you these days, I am doing both or all three. I am making the news, talking about the news, and have been in the news. Having said that, of course, not only my counsel to the President the United States, as Mayor Giuliani is, I am also the chief counsel for the American Center for Law on Justice And we have a case that is in the news fact right now, it is a lead story on Drudge and it's a case an issue that we've been talking about a lot. In fact, Sean has been talking about it as well. And that is the case of Andrew Brunson, the American Christian pastor. He's been in Turkey for twenty three years. He was picked up after the coup in Turkey two years ago and was put in jail. Uh. The charge against him was christianization. That is actually in the mint. We're gonna talk about that because the lead right now on Drudge Report, and this is true, is Turkey's economy on the brink. This could be the most expensive pastor in world history, the billion dollar pastor in one sense. I mean, it's hard to believe that Turkey is letting itself get to this point. This supposed to be a NATO ally after all, the get to this point because they're so entrenched on keeping this pastor in Turkey. Now, I will say that some good news and that has been released to home confinement, so that certainly is better than being in a Turkish jail. I am bringing in some of our experts at the American Center for Law and Justice to address this issue. Jordan Seculo is our executive director. It's also my son. Andy Economy is a senior counsel for the a c l J, and it's very involved in the issues involving the Middle East and Turkey. Harry Hutchinson is our director of Public Policy. Jordan, let's go to the latest to start with you here. From the standpoint of the pastors, incarceration will get into the economy and Turkey being impacted about this, But why don't you give everybody the latest report on where the case is, because it changes literally on a daily basis. Right now, he's on house arrest. Yes, that's a much better situation you you would to be in as an individual. You know, we've had these situations where people are coming right out of that prison environment back to reality and and outside of it that that can be tougher. So he's remember this is his home, long term home there. So while he's confined, uh and so under house arrest, this is a familiar place. That being said, it's still confined. So he's still being detained by a NATO ally and and and by Turkey by the government. In this situation, the case has not been dropped. The the the the the moved and and I'd say that every day he's there. Now the Turkish media which is in these reports about the economy, it's NonStop. We're not so used to it here. It's become in the in the news more and more so people are getting more familiar with Andrew Brunson's name. But for two years he has been battered around the Turkish press to the point where it is not safe for him to be on the streets. Anymore. It's someone who lived there for twenty three years. That is the situation he is in. So every moment he has to stay in Turkey, even with the security he's got is dangerous. We's got eighteen Turkish security guards around his house right now, I mean eighteen. I mean, just think about that, protecting him from an environment that the Turkish government Urtawan created. Now again, I'm gonna go to Andy Economo, who is the senior council has been very involved in this case. Andy, you you speak a lot of languages. You were able to translate the Turkish. This pastor the charge against him is actually, I mean, folks, this is the reality of what you're dealing with. Everybody. Of course, when they get arrested in these situations, there a spy, it's espionage, their a c I agent. That's the allegations. But in this one, in addition to making you know what the basis upon that was, it's called christianization, Andy, that is the actual charge in the indictment. Yes, that's exactly correct, Jay. What they're charging this pastor with is a Christianization of the Turkish Republic, or the attempt to christianize the Turkish people. And this is under ridiculous charge. It is no crime. The Turkish constitution provides, at least publicly and for purposes of popular consumption, uh, freedom of religion and worship. But that's not the case for the for the minorities in Turkey. I'm Greek. I can tell you it's not the case for the Greek minorities in Turkey, and say especially for the beleaguer to commenical patriarch in Constantinople and Estanbul. That is not the case. And so what Pastor Brunson is being charged with is something that is not a crime, but has been concocted by the Urduan regime everyone being basically a dictator and today in Turkey, and he is being charged with Christianization. A horrible thing to be charged with something that uh, that is not as I said, and a penal offense in Turkey. Let me go to Harry Hutchinson east Or, director of policy at the American Centerfore and just again, this is Jason Lama in Port my great friend Sean Hennedy. They give him a day off, Linda gave him a day off. You do that often only when I absolutely have to see there you go, you know what I did, j to a wedding there, you go. Well, that's a good thing to be going to. It's good to have celebrations. So I'm glad, glad he's having a good family time at a at a wedding. That's great, and I'm glad that I'm here also with my colleague Rudy Giuliani. We're gonna get back into some of those news items, but I wanted to really cover this because, look, this is a case where this is an American being held captain. The President has been very aggressive about requesting and demanding I would say, did requestings not the right? We're demanding this pastor's release, and he has put sanctions in place because of the way the Turkish government is acting. Harry Hutchinson is our director of Policy at the a c l J is also professor of Law and Economics, and uh, Harry, it is fair to say, Professor Hutchinson, that the sanctions that the President has put in place here are having a dramatic impact on the Turkish economy. In fact, on the Drudge Report, it says Turkey on an economic brink, Jay, you are absolutely correct, Turkey is edging closer and close served to a full blown financial meltdown. As President Trump has authorized a doubling of some tariffs on Turkish products. The Turkish currency plunged by seventeen percent today, reaching another record low as stocks slid by as much as nine percent. Turkey is gripped by an economic contagion. In part this is fueled by inflation and foreign debt. Most investment analysts are urging their clients to pull their assets out of Turkey immediately as Turkey faces runaway inflation and unrestrained foreign debt. As the Turkish lira continues to fall in value, the value of foreign denominated debt rises, placing even more pressure on the Turkish government. You look at the situation and you try to say to yourself, why in the world with Turkey suffer that they're put themselves in this kind of situation to economics offering that they're going for over this and I'm gonna go right back to Jordan's secure and this. You look at the situation, as Harry just said, I mean, they're doing this for what for a pastor to be kept in jail for a false charge. What we're saying is Turkish strong man who is not acting rationally more. And we've talked about how he has braced embraced Islamic politics and so so blending those two and kind of towed this line between somewhat radical but still isis is an enemy. But then what's his statement on this ultimately about the fall of the economy is not economic or financial. It's invoking religion. So he says, quote, if they have their dollars, we have our people and our God. And I point out two things. One in in our country, Uh, we we have our national motto. Uh in God, we trust in our pledge of allegiance. We have one nation under God. So I don't think you know that these statements alone, but we know what he's really saying there in Turkey. He is invoking a new kind of politics in Turkey. He's been doing it over years and now even when it comes to finances, which ultimately these strong men are usually that's their concerned. But we've also talked about the idea that the new allies he's tried to make are never very good allies. The Russians, Uh, they tried to work with Iran, they don't they don't bail you out if if they've got nothing to return. You know, in Syria, the Russians have a warm water base. As long as they can keep that, Uh, that's worthwhile for them to keep fighting in Turkey. If the economy starts falling apart, then they're gonna come in and save an urdwan who's still by the way, government is is a member of NATO, which the Russians can't stand. Yeah, that's is the irony of all of this, of course, is that the Turks and the Russians have an ongoing feud. They're a NATO ally of the United States, within the NATO Partnership, and they're certainly not acting like it. It's become an Islamic regime. That's what it is. I mean, that's where it's gone. Unfortunately, this is not the Turkey and the economy of at A Turk. No, this is not the Turkey of Ada turk j. These men are simply Islamius, wearing suits, coats and ties. The additor wore a suit code in a time, but he tried to bring Turkey into the West and into the then twentieth century. So um, everyone needs to wake up. He needs to realize that he may have God. Um but it's a good idea to get a local financial advisor too. Yeah, and I don't think it's the guy that we're used to, and he certainly could use a financial advisor. So Harry, let me ask you this, your professor of law and economics. What in the why would they put themselves in this situation over this pastor? Well, I think for political, ideological, and religious reasons. A president Urduwan suffers, in my opinion, from illusions of grandeur. But President Trump is responding with maximum pressure, maximum economic pressure. Urduwan has responded with defiance. Meanwhile, his country and its people are suffering massively. This will lead, in my opinion, ultimately to a climb down by the Turkish leader. I think you're right, Jordan, really quickly here as we get ready to go to a break in a minute, unless it's important. We've handled these cases before war with the Sudanese. We've handled him with the Iranians. You would have never thought that Turkey would be this difficult, you know, I mean President Urawad built himself palaces. Uh. Well, you know, while the economy was on an upswing, you would think that's what he actually cared about. I mean honestly, I mean that the strong man kind of leader would be more important to protect his palace. At this point, though, you see, he's embracing a radical uh Islamic message. We kept at kind of We've kept discussing this. How far is he gonna go with this, this angle of using Islam up to his political purposes. But I'll tell you someone's been there in Turkey. I don't think that sells to to enough people there to keep him in power. And these guys, as we can see, they may have a lot of power. They may pull out these coups, these phony coups, whatever's happening there, But ultimately, if the economy falls away, it's falling and it continues to fall. And with President Trump's announcement today on the tariffs, Uh, they don't survive and I mean literally, they do not survive these kind of situations. They either end up in prison like Mohammed Morsey in Egypt or or worse. Yeah, and let me tell you this, folks. I spoke with the President as recently as yesterday on Pastor Brunson's case, and Uh, the President is serious. They're gonna return Andrew Brunson. That's what needs to happen here. It has to happen here, so we'll get more involved and that will keep you posting. And by the way, I want to thank Sewan because he's been covering this case for Pastor Brunson's hard to break into the news on these kind of cases when everything else is going on, but the folks here at Shahn Handy's Broadcast have done that. We appreciate it. Hey, we're taking a break. When we come back, we're gonna have more with my friend Rudy Giuliani. We're gonna talk about some of the other big news of the day. There's other news in the day today. By the way, in case you're new to this and anyways, I'm Jay Sekulo and chief counselor of the American Center for Lawn Justin also one of the president's lawyers, and I'm gonna be taking calls also with Rudy Giuliani. By the way, if you want to talk to us, it's eight hundred nine four one seven three to six. That's one nine one seven three to six or eight hundred nine four one Sean, that's a pretty easy way to do it. Let me tell you this, We're gonna come back with a lot more. So stay tuned. We'll be back with more in just a moment. Welcome back to the John Hannity's John Jay Sekulo. I'm getting to be the host today with my friend Mayor Rudy Giuliani. But we're talking about a major case that we're involved in at the American Center for Law and Justice, involving Pastor Andrew Brunson. We've got in our studio, as I say our, because I have a broadcast to that airs and that is Jordan Secular, the executive director of the American Center for Law and Justice, Professor Harry Hutchinson and professor of Law and Economics, and our director of Policy and senior counsel to the a c l J. And that is Dr Andrew Economa. Let me go right to Jordan. Here. We're talking about Pastor Andrew Brunson on home arrest right now, which is better than jail, but not quite home yet. I want to get I'm gonna ask one question. I want everybody to give me your thoughts. I'm gonna start with Jordan's what do you with the economic pressure on Turkey now, what do you expect to happen. Well, we know that Turkey is tying directly President Trump's tweet, which he did not do it in the in the tweet announcing the tariffs, but they are in the media and and through the government directly to Pastor Andrew Bruns, as you said earlier, the most expensive pastor in history, to an economy falling apart. And is that going to again make it with the people of Turkey. They're not that radicalized overall, and I think that they may have been okay with a strong man talking Turkish nationalism, but his full embrace of almost Islamic, this kind of modern Islamic radicalism, I would call it, is not I just doesn't sell to the people. And I think he's on the brink. He's the one on the brink of of real disaster for himself. Let me ask this to you, uh Andy, your sinse. You've been to Turkey a lot, you know the region, you know the area. What do you think the next thing is here? I think Arionan is gonna have to climb down. I mean I've been to Istanbul several times. It's a western city, essentially a city of seventeen million people. The interior of Turkey is very different ancient Capadocia and medieval Cavadosia, the heart of the old Byzantine Empire is different. But the reality is that people are hungry both in Istanbul and people are hungry in the middle part of Turkey, which means that they're not going to tolerate the inflation, They're not going to tolerate the economic hardships in there. To On's gonna have to climb down, but you're gonna have to give him some face saving device. So Harry, from an economic standpoint that the impact on the lyra, the impact on the economy already has been significant. What do you think happens next? Well, I think, Jay, you're absolutely correct. The economy is cratering, the lera is plunging, investors are fleeing, and sanctions and tariffs are working. So I think there will indeed be a climb down by the Turkish president despite his current defiance. Ultimately, he will have to answer to his people, and his people are hurting immensely. I think that's the reality. I appreciate everybody's opinions on that. Let me again say a huge thank you to Sean and the whole team here at the Sean Hannity Show for covering this story. And I think, look, I think we're gonna get this pastor home to the United States very very soon. I can't give you, and I'm not good at predicting dates, especially in these kind of cases. You can because there's so many ups and downs. But I still think with all this going on, at the end of the day, we're gonna get there. We're just gonna take it. May take a week and may take a month, we're gonna get there. Anyways, We've got a lot more to discuss. We'll be taking calls as well. That's eight. Sean, my co host, will be back with me in just moments that as Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who's also my co counsel representing the President of the United States. We have some news we'll talk about there. You may have heard some things, a couple of things, just a few things, so we'll get to those when we come back from the break. Stay tuned. That not your heart beat Trouble joined Shawn's Army on Twitter, where we get back to conservative values. Hey, welcome back to the Sean Hannity Program. Everybody. I'm Jay Sekulo, co hosting with my good friend, the former mayor of the Great City of New York, Mayor Rudy Giuliani. But for today's purposes, more importantly, I will say former U. S Attorney, former senior member of the Nited States Department of Justice, and my colleague and co council in a fairly important case, a very important case that's going on right now, and he is our co host today and we're both co hosting for sean Mayor. I want to talk to you about uh an issue that you and I are dealing with, and will start this and let you uh pontificate some here, but you're saying that's important. We have you and I've handled a lot of media over the last couple of days on the issue of what everybody wants to talk about. And by the way, if you want to talk about it, you can call us at eight one, seven, three to six or eight nine one, Shawn. And that is the issue of a presidential interview, and there's a lot of issues that go into that, Rudy, A lot of discussion that takes place, but a lot of legal analysis. Let's kind of get everybody up to speed on where we are. So there are two things they have to deal with, as you know J because we deal with it every day. One is just the normal representation of a person who is in some way under investigation, although they're very fudgy about what it's about. So far, no crime suggested Uh. And he has rights and they have to be protected. Second, he's the president of United States, so he has prerogatives that have to be protected, not just for him but the future presidents. So it's very, very complicated. And we also have a client who wants to be heard. He he has felt from the very beginning, and he's right, he's done nothing wrong, that he should be able to tell his story and they should believe him. On the other hand, he also knows that he doesn't exactly have an unbiased group of people. They have problem indicated to us even in our discussions, a preference for Comey, a preference for some of these other people. The whole root of the investigation is corrupt. The going back to the dossier and Uh struck people who hate him, counterintelligence investigation that I can't figure out how they ever did it, fies and wires that somebody should get prosecutors for perjury and getting them Uh, all that chaints the investigation. So we have a lot to consider. You know, I said from the outset that the the corruption started this investigation. Actually, if you look at the the the just the beginning of the investigation, the inception of the investigation, the corruption ran very deep. And then it continue to permeate. And if you start just go through the what I call the parade to horribles. I mean, just look at the issues. This is why we you know, you and I keep calling this an irregular investigation. Well, and that's being kind. Actually that's that's me. That's being courteous, because look at the irregularity. It starts with the dossier that even James Comb he admits is silicious and unverified. We now find out that the the author of AT was Christopher Steele, who just happened to be hired by Fusion GPS, who happened to be hired by the Clinton campaign, who was working with Bruce or the number four the United States Department of Justice wife Nelly or she was working for Fusion GPS and just happened to be working on the putting together the dossier. Now, okay, you could not make that up, except then it gets better, and that is you have the lead investigator and the conversations he had with Lisa Page, and you got the whole Strock Page incident. Then you got the insurance policy with Andy McKay. We must get it. What's the insurance policy? Now? A lot of the people that that were the FBI are now gone that we're involved in this. But the truth is that Peter Struck, the agent Rudy, was the lead investigator for the Special Counsel's office. And I keep talking about what happened to that evidence that they gathered even though he was you know, they'll say, well, he was subsequently fired. True, but what happened to that evidence that he gathered during that year and a half he was on the investigation because he predates the actual Mueler appointment. And we talked about in the law the proof of the poisonous treatment. It's serious when you you can't even the irregularities here are so in depth it's it's really hard to put your head around it. I would describe this as an investigation born in corruption. It's a corrupt dossier that is crying out for real investigation. If you're talking about collusion to effect an investigation paying a foreigner as Hillary did, to produce a false dossier on Donald Trump. It's so far the biggest crime that's been committed with regard to the election that is provable. And then that dossier is used as the basis for the wire taps, that fis the wires, and then when they know it's false, they don't correct it. They go back to the judge and they keep repeating it. Now, some judge has got to be going out of his mind, even worse than Judge Ellis, because that judge was made of and the five process was completely made a mockery of by this false UH dossier. So it spawns an investigation. The investigation produces no evidence of anything involving President Trump and Russians, and somehow Comey comes along and makes it into a criminal investigation. And now we know that the criminal investigation itself. Of course, we also have to put in there that James Comey said that he created this memo after his meeting with the president, leaked it to the press for the sole appointment of getting a special counsel, which was miraculously appointed. Now could you imagine, and you were a U S attorney Rudy, and you were also a high ranking Justice Department official. I worked for Treasury and beginning my legal career. Could you imagine if an I R. S Agent or an FBI agent were to release their three O two form to the press. What would happen to those agents, those who have been indicted and prosecuted and convicted. It's a a crime to do it. And uh, in this particular case, it wasn't accidental. This was a planned, completely thought out, corrupt scheme on the part of Comey. So it didn't come from him. It came from this professor. I mean, imagine the skullduggery of this man. He and then he wants us to believe that the memo is accurate about the Flynn conversation. He he wants us to believe that at the time of the Flynn conversation he felt that he was being obstructed. However, he never told anybody about it. He never reported it. If he didn't report, it's to misprison of a felony, because as an FBI director, he had to report it. He then he testifies under oath after it and before he releases the memo that he had not been obstructed in any way, you can have Jared on later, Greg Jared, he says, it's not happened in my experience under oath. Right, he's now contradicting. In other words, he can lied under oath. So they want this guy to be the arbiter of truth and they're not investigating him for his crimes. I mean, this is really corrupt. Supposedly there's an office. Yeah, well, there's the Inspector General's report that is supposedly coming involving James Comy. We haven't seen it yet. Then I'm hearing and you're hearing the same things we're hearing. But September October, so that may come out and we'll see. The last one was pretty tough on Andrew McCabe. Interestingly, he's no longer with the Department of Justice. James Comy is no longer with the Department of Justice. Ribicky's no longer with the department. Yeah, I mean you get that. There's been quite a lit at least a page all gone. Yeah. Comey wants us to believe that Trump had this conversation with him about Flynt, that he felt that there was an obstruction of justice, a serious federal felony. But he never reported it, never told McCabe about it, because McCabe also testified that there was no obstruction as he did, and that he testified falsely under oath. I mean, he can't he can't be obstructed three months later. He can't remember the conversation three months later and say, oh my god, he tried to obstruct me. I mean, this is so phony. If it weren't for the fact that the president has these CNN and MSNBC and all these people that are just dying to interpret everything against him, people would be demanding an investigation to call me. You know, it's interesting because if you look at the sing i' we're gonna talk with you mentioned Greg Jared, our friend Greg Jared. It's got a great book out by the way, the Russian Hoax, and everybody needs to be reading this a great, great book. I'm underlining it. I bet you are, and I got an early copy so we all have. Uh, let me say that we're gonna get into that with Greg. I want to talk about a lot of that because it's important. But you know, people need to understand also that we are trying to handle and you understand this. You you've got competing interests when when you talk about an interview, so that the question today is the interview of the president. Will the president s admit to an interview? And I want to be very clear in this. We have raised and have have raised this really since the beginning of my representation, which is going back over a year now, that there are significant Article two issues, I mean really significant Article two issues. Do you think a U. S. Attorney, for instance, should be able to subpoena a president of the United States to discuss the reason why he made a policy move or a decision to fire a subordinate I don't. If that's the case, well then why couldn't every U. S. Attorney in every district who has a beef with a particular president started issuing subpoenas and that the president, instead of running the government, ends up responding to subpoena's. That's not the way it's supposed to be. Our founders knew that, and that's why they have political process in there. It's not a legal process. They're not gonna be a trial here, but people have to understand that we have to go through a real process of analysis in coming to these conclusions. Rudy about whether what our recommendation is we regarding an interview. Obviously, when the Special Council sent us the last proposal, obviously we didn't accept it. So we counter. We're not going to get into the contents of that counter that would be appropriate. But there's a lot of factors that go into this. There are a lot of factors go into it, and not the least of which is you have to evaluate the good faith of the people who are seeking to question him. Do you really have a chance of persuading them, or have they made up their minds already and they're just trying to set him up. A great example we talked about flynn Is Flynt, the President of the United States, says he never had that conversation with Comey. Comey says that he did. You know, both of us would be perfectly comfortable if he had had the conversation, right, He said nothing wrong. He didn't say you must drop the case, which you could do. He said you should think about it, you should give him a break, which many people have said to me when I was a prosecutor. We know Comy didn't think of it as obstruction because he would have reported it. So we have a very good defense on the facts. But the fact is the president insists I never had that conversation. So now we put him, We put him in front of we put him in front of Mueller. Mueller asked him that question. He says, no, I didn't have the conversation, and then they say, oh, we believe the liar Comey now here. Here we're almost in a disadvantage because there's no trial. They'd never charge him in an indictment with it because Comey couldn't withstand cross examination. He gave a private prior statement under oath contrary to that. All Right, we're gonna be back with a lot more. I'm j Sekulo in with Rudy Giuliani. We are hosting for Sean Hannity. He's taking a break for one day. They gave him a day off, Linda gave him a day. Yeah, we're gonna take calls also an eight one, seven, three to six. That's eight hundred nine for one Sean. And there is a lot to talk about, as we discussed, not just the issues of what's facing the country and the president. We're gonna talk a little bit when we come back about some strategy. Sometimes it's important to deal with strategy, and let me tell you something. The Mayor and I are doing a lot of strategizing, a lot of strategicy no president bushes. It's like on another president because look, I mean again, as we've been talking to you, there's a lot to that lot goes into a decision about allowing a president to be interviewed. And we're gonna talk more about that, and we'll get to a lot of your questions and comments as well. We joined by a lot of great guests, great book by Greg Jarrett. We'll be back with more on the Sean Hannity Show in just a moment. Welcome back to the Johan Hannity Jean Jay said Kilo, chief Council of the American Center for Lawn Justice, Council for the President of the United States with me. Co hosting is Mayor Rudy Giuliani. More important, former U S Attorney Rudy Giuliani and senior Justice Department official. There's something that we've got a lot more, but there's something we want to get to and I think it's important for people to understand this as the decisions are made on interviews or not. We've we've told you what our inclination is and that is you know, we don't think they've met that at this point the threshold at all. And I think constitutionally they don't have the right to interview in the first place. There are a lot of other factors that go into this, but there's something that we do need to get very clear. Rudy. I think what we have to get clear as the fact that a lot of people interpret it this way. Well, if he's telling the truth, why wouldn't he just go in and testify, Hey, welcome to the real world. The fact is he is telling the truth. He has done nothing wrong. All these months and months, all these people going after him, they haven't suggested one thing he did wrong, not a single thing, no crime, no unethical conduct. The reason we have to worry about it is one we're giving away prerogatives of the president and the president and the and the president and his and his own counsel. Has to be heard on that second. They were walking him into a possible perjury trap, not because he isn't telling the truth, but because somebody else isn't telling the truth who they would credit, namely Comy. So if he says I never had the conversation with Flynn, and they elect to believe Comey, they can write down, we believe he committed perjury. And now we have walked him into that, even though it's one person's working against another person's worring and one's got a memo and one said that didn't happen. Here's the here's the problem with all Let's be just one. Here's the problem with all this. Why would you do this, Why would you submit any client, let alone the President of the United States to this kind of situation. But when you add to it the presidency of the United States, And it's not just, by the way, about this president, it's about future presidents. Because what we design, what we recommend to President Trump impacts future presidents. And that's and that's where the Article two in the Constitution are so critical here. And I don't think we can ignore that for one single moment. I think we do that at our own peril. I think that's right and and and if if we have to contest it and fight it, h we have a good chance of winning it and vindicating the presidency. The reality is, I will say this over and over again, if this would just simply can he go in and tell the truth. Of course he can. He's got nothing to hide. We have stipulated with them. We are willing to stipulate with him what he's gonna say. They know what he's gonna say. Well, we produced millions of pages of documents, thirty two wits and it's been it's been the most transparent inquiry of this type when involving the office of the presidency in history. No one's done it like this. Having said that, there are also the threshold constitutional standards that have not been met in our view at this point, and that certainly raised not only serious legal arguments, but I think puts the onus, not on us quite frankly. Uh. And I don't believe a court. I hope we don't have to go that route. We might not have to if we do, we do. Uh. I don't think the Supreme Court of the United States would say the president being compelled to testify it with regard to actions he took within his constitutional authority. That would set a horrible president back in mort a moment. Hey, welcome back to the broadcast everyone, Jay Sekulo and may Rooty Giuliani in for Sean Hannity, and we are joined right now by someone that knows a little bit about the topic we've been discussing, among many other things, but especially about this one, and that is our friend Fox News phenomenal legal analyst Greg Jared, who's got a great book out by the way, and we're talking about a must read, The Russian Hoax books. Done pretty well there, Greg number one on the New York Times bestseller list for two weeks in a row so far. Yeah, you know, it's got to give him a high aid fever at the Times. So you know, you know, the issues we're facing right now is a lawyer's force, and you know, and people are saying, why can't you just say no, We're not gonna do it. And look, there's there's there's process in this, and there's considerations you have as one of the reasons that you got a client that says he wants to do it, and and you know, so ultimately, you know, I said this to our French John and and he said, well, why can't you just say no? I said, well, if I say no and Rudy says no, that's great, but the client has to agree. It's the way it works. But you laid out the case very strongly in your book about the Russian hoax. Le, let's give the top line on that kind of what do you see as the If you're gonna let name the top four of the what I call the parade of horribles here, what would you say, Well, I would say that once people read the book, they will be absolutely convinced that top officials that the Department of Justice and the FBI abuse their positions of power to subvert the rule of law and undermine the democratic process. They cleared Hillary clin even though they knew that there was overwhelming, compelling evidence of her criminality. Comy wrote it down not once but twice, and then had his confederate Lisa Page and Peter struct sit down a Structs computer and expunge the language that was so incriminating. And on the very day that Comey stands in front of television cameras announcing that he's absolving Hillary Clinton because no reasonable prosecutor would bring a case which was preposterous, Americans didn't know what was happening that moment. In a building in London, Comey's FBI is meeting with Christopher Steeve, who's on the FBI payroll, Hillary Clinton payroll. He composed the totally fabricated dossier, the anti truck, alleging collusion that Putin and Trump had been colluding for five to eight years before the two thousand and sixteen election. It was utterly preposterous. You know, Greg raises Mayor the issue here because I think this is a one that sometimes gets lost in this process. When when when the former FBI director, then the FBI Director James Comby, makes the statement, the grand pronouncement, that no reasonable prosecutor would would move forward on a prosecution. First of all, he was the director of the FBI that even pronouncing on that. Uh, No FBI director in my memory, has ever given a press conference and described the facts of a case in which he's declining prosecution. And he doesn't get to decline prosecution. Now, I did when I was U S attorney, not him. I would have gone totally nuts if he did it to me when I was U S attorney, And it's the reason he probably got him fired. Yeah, immediately usurping the power, as you point out, Mayor of the Attorney General. When I read your book, Greg, I come away with the falling they're investigating in one way or another. President Nited States now for two years without a single suggestion that he committed any crime. That's right, we don't know what the crime is. An investigation in search of a crime. On the other hand, we have all these possible crimes committed by by Comey, uh, leaking the memo, lying under oath about not being obstructed, or lying later about feeling he was obstructed, miss prison of felony, the dossier in which it is clearly untrue, and they go ahead and have three fiser applications in which they don't explain to the judge that it's untrue, that it's problem. Why isn't this being investigated it should be. I mean this is, you know, sort of alice through the looking glass. Everything's backwards and upside down. Uh, you know, just look at the dossier as you point out a goo by Comey and others. Uh, they used a false document, they knew it was false. They deceived the judges, They concealed evidence in the case that is a fraud on the quarters. You know, how would like to be that fiser judge. Oh, I'd be angry as can be. And they pulled that on him because it it is The biggest felony is abusive power, deprivation of rights under color of law. You cannot use your position in government to deprive somebody Carter Page and President Trump of their constitutional rights. It's also perjury. I mean, they signed a document uh vouching for its authenticity and veracity when they knew it was a lie. Why wouldn't Sessions or Rosenstein, Why wouldn't they start an investigation of this? What is stopping them? What? It almost seems like, you know, here here, there's there are They can actually write a subpoena and mentioned crimes, crimes, they'll say they got this us. They went to a U. S attorney in Utah. That's gonna be looking at all of this. That's what's kind of there. That's their way to handle Ahad. Yeah, I mean, and I don't have much trust in that. I don't know how you do an investigation in Utah of people and activities that took place in Washington, d C. But nevertheless, you know, I think Jeff Sessions, who is a very nice man, has been the most feckless Attorney general in my lifetime. You know, I don't think he's in charge. I think he's in a back room playing with legos or something. The guy who's really the Attorney General is Rod Rosenstein In he has every reason to continue to obstruct Congress high documents and cover it up because he's part of the wrongdoing. He signed the fourth, the third renewal of the FISA document knowing that he didn't have new evidence in the law requires new evidence, and he also knew that it was Fabrica well. He also produced a memorandum recommending the termination of James Comi. Right, talk about conflicts of interest. The federal regulations not to mention ethical rules that governed lawyers say you cannot be a prosecutor and a witness in the same case. The actual actual seemed to be a lot. Let's say they get a little murky when it's involving this. The actual basis for the Independent Council is that memo of of Comys and the idea that Comy was fired as as an obstruction of the investigation. That the best witness against that is Rhoda Stunt, who gave the President Vice a Council that he should do it. But here's the here's the thing with putting all of that aside. So if the President of the United States desired he's going to fire the FBI director. What in the constitution says he can't do that. In fact, the Constitution says the opposite clauses to take care clause in the vesting clause. Both clauses allow him to fire a political appoint to his head of a branch of the executive branch of government, of department, or agency. This is all within the article, the Article two of the Constitution. That's right, And so Muller has no legal basis as an inferior officer to question the President of the United States about exercising his constitutional authority, so that, as you guys have pointed out, it should be off the table. Isn't Rosenstein necessary witness he's been interviewed by to the firing of Comey since he recommended the firing. Yeah, absolutely, he's a key witness. And he's actually been interviewed by his underling. Muller has interviewed his own boss, which is Rod Rosenstein, that is. But don't worry, they also want to interview you know, the President of the United States, the who's the ultimate boss under Article two of the Constitution. And that goes to the second part of this, which is obviously we're going through a process here. And if you look at this, by the way, historically this is the process lawyers go through when you when you're talking about interviewing the president. You know what Rudy and I have been pretty clear and what our inclinations are on all this. Ultimately that the president is going to make a decision based on legal advice, and they've got a bar that I don't think they've met. Having said that, again, you look it at as a lawyer that's been practicing all a long time. Thirty eight years too young, You don't want him. How long I've been practicing law? I don't remember. I was back in Lincoln's era. I didn't even go to law school. So if you were in our shoes, Greg, yeah, how would you. Well, obstruction questions are completely off the table. As for collusion, I don't understand how Mueller has the right to question the president about a non cross time. As I pointed out repeatedly, collusion is only a crime and anti trust law. It is nowhere else than the criminal codes. Now, other people have said, wow, it's conspiracy to defraud the government. No, it's not that. Actually, have there has to be a conspiracy to do that well, and it requires, the Supreme Court says, deceat craft, trickery, and dishonesty. So sitting, for example, in the Trump Tower and listening to a Russian lawyer provide information that in the end she never provided. How is that just something about and you know, Nancy Pelosi hauled off and said, wow, it's a clear violation of campaign laws. No, it's not. She never read the Federal Campaign Election Act, which allows a foreign national to volunteer services, including information, to a political campaign. And information by itself is not a thing of value. Because I actually argued Title three of McCain fine Goal before the Supreme Court of the United States, and that involved a lot of this, these issues of money and campaigns and how that worked in mind, I actually got the provision that I was responsible for Title three struck as unconstitutional nine to zero. You gotta look at what the law actually says, not what you wish it would say or what you hope it would say. If you're trying to, you know, go after something. What does it actually say and what does Supreme Court presidents say? And it just does not support the interpretations that some in the media have gone with are just incorrect legally based on the Statute and certainly based on the Constitution. But it serves the media's anti Trump narrative. Their hatred for Trump is so conspicuous every day, and their coverage of this case, they're unabashed, scorn and visceral. Hatred for the president is reflected in the bias within their stories, not only how they tell the stories, but the stories they choose to tell. I I heard uh a media individuals say, ah, I know what it is. It's on a services fraud. That individual never read the Supreme Court decision Skilling versus the States said there has to be a briber, a kickback because the government had gone too far in making honest services just catch I mean the whole. I mean, what are they're gonna try these novel and bizarres theories of campaign finance and obstruction, and you're gonna just determine, you're gonna do the test case and have the test case on the President of United States. I don't. I don't. First of all, there will be no case. I keep saying that because that's not how this goes. President can't have a case. That's not the way it works under our system. That's not the way the Department of Justice works. But the media and Democrats, and I realized that's redundant um. They insinuate a crime by using a word that connotes a crime, which is the world collusion. It just sounds in it, does you know? In fact, in my book, I quote a an interview j that you did with George Stephanopolis in which you kept saying to him, but where is it in the criminal codes? And he said, oh, collusion is conspiracy or something to that effect, without ever answering your legitimate question is wait a minute, what rule, law or regulation has been violated here that you're colluding with? Even conspiracy is not a crime. It's got to be an piracy to commit a crime. We conspire every day to have a bunch of breakfast or whatever. That's not a crime. No. But I'll tell you what's something everybody needs your book? Well, than we've got a lot more to come ahead on this. Uh. And then, by the way, the Russia hoax, it is a great book by Greg Jared, And it's great to be in the studio here with Greg actually in the same room, not just on a TV camera remote. So all right, we're gonna take calls. We've got a lot more to discuss on the Sean Hannity Show. Now that household of Joe has left the building, maybe we can get back to bringing jobs holds, that's jobs, j O. B. S. This is the Sean Hannity Show. Welcome back to the Shawan Hannity Show. This is Jay Sekulo and Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former U S Attorney, former senior Justice Department official, in with the author New York Times best selling author, number one best selling author. I want to be very clear to Greg Jarrett, thank you the books of the Russian Hook. I want to go right to Greg on this and then uh, Mayory you should come into and that is, uh, we're in this now. You know, the soap called investigation has been going on now really for almost two years. And if you look at just the kind of the time frame now we've had the special counsel has been a little bit over a year and about a year and months months. How do you what do you think the public appetite for this is these days really in the body politic. Well, just judging from the sales of my book, I'd say you know, it's very topical and people are talking about it. Um. You know, even if I hadn't written the book, it is still probably the most talk about news story in America. It is day in, day out, twenty four hours a day, and you know, frankly, every day brings new revelations of evidence of wrongdoing and corruption on the part of the investigators. These are the law enforcers who became themselves the lawbreakers. You know. I think, I think to the Bruce Or situation in great detail, I'm sure we'll do it. I think when when the when the history that has finally written. Uh, this is the fact that they took so long is going to hurt them because if they had, if they had written their report three months ago, which they could have done, we had written our report and we'd be waiting to see if Congress is going to do anything. But the revelations since I got involved with Jay. First of all, you have the Horowitz Report, you have Peter Struck. Now you have the whole Bruce or who knows what's next. I mean, you don't know what's next. I mean that's all unraveling and and the American public. I just looked at the polls yesterday. The longer this goes on, the more negative the opinions are of Bob Muller and his team of partisans. Two point swing in three months from from trusting Muller to not uh, not trusting Trump, trusting Trump and and because they're finally getting the message that this is not only a team of partisans, but it was politically motivated. You know, Mueller had three different conflicts of interest, Rosenstein had one glaring conflict of interest. Together, they put together a team of partisans. They sabotage the integrity and credibility of their own investigation. And as you point out, Mayor, the longer it goes on, the more Americans are wise en up to what really happened. It was a hoax. Yeah, yeah, it hoax. It started as a hoax, and it just gets worse and worse and worse, and they misconduct keeps coming out with breath taking in scope. I mean, from the beginning of this inquiry to today and then we and we still are I mean, every single day, it seems like there's more and more. You know, I pointed out of the book, Uh that the FBI, when they launched its investigation of Trump and collusion. They've violated their own FBI guidelines known as you guys know the diogue. You've got to have articulable facts in support of probable cause. They didn't have that. That's absolutely right. The book is The Russian Hoax. The author is Greg Jared. He is our friend, fellow lawyer, great legal analyst for Fox's Great Thanks for being with us, my pleasure. We'll be back with more. Read the book. Read the book. We'll be back with more in a minute. Hi, everybody, welcome back to the broadcast. Is Jay Sekulo and Mayor Rudy Giuliani sitting in for our friend Sean Hannity. It's great to be uh, co hosting my colleague. I get to say, Kylie, I've known Rudy, We've known each other a long time. But we are working on it. We've worked on a number of cases, but this, I would say is the biggest in the States. I tried to help you with Pastor Brunson a year ago. Year and a half of this did and that yep, I hope so God willing will be out soon. I will tell you we're gonna talk a little bit more about that. Actually, Uh, we uh in days ahead. I am hopeful and I look, i'll trace a little bit of that. Since you said it, we will do it. And just let's spend a minute. Then we'll get John Salmon on from the Hill. He's got some good news here for us. An interesting story on the pastor Brunson matter. I will tell you this. This is a Christian pastor who's been in jail now for it was in jail for almost eighteen months, almost twenty I think twenty months actually, and then has been on house arrest. But we tried to get him released last year. It did not. We got close, but then now Turkey's feeling some real pressure. What's your quick thoughts on that. I think the pastor he's at home arrest right now. I think where the president is committed to gett him home. I believe, given what's going on with their economy, it's they're gonna crack. They're gonna have to crack. And the reality is, you know, it's a completely contrived case. He didn't do anything except preach Christianity in a tasteful, decent way. Well, look, I know Mike Pompeo, the Vice president, especially the President are working diligently on this. It's uh, look the Turkish situation right now. Their economy is hurting, and they're hurting because they're keeping Americans held hostage, and that's not what you're supposed to do. Let's go back to a domestic matter. John Solomon, our friend from the Hill, is on and John, you broke a story yesterday. We've talked a little bit about this already in this old Bruce Or situation. He was the number four ranking official at the Justice Department, but you broke some new news. Of course, he was working with Christopher Steele. Let's retrace that person, folks. For the folks here, I think it's important to understand this was the number four in the Justice Department. His wife was working for Fusion GPS, who had been working with Christopher Steele to put the dossier together. Take it from there. That sounds great. I'll take you to the exact date and time where we need to be a December middle of December sixteen, a month after the president has won the election. Democrats are still morning uh beet Stroke and Lisa Page are probably still in shock at the FBI because they're planning to stop President Trump. Didn't work. And um the FBI has formerly fired Christopher Steele, the British MI six intelligence agents paid by the d NC, paid by Hillary Clinton's campaign to dig up during on the president. He's been fired from misconduct because he spoke to the media in the final days of the election. As you all know, that's an illegality are not allowed for a human intelligence source. So he's fired. And yet Pete Roke has no way to get and hit Pece Roke has no way to get the information from Christopher Steel anymore. So they create an end run here they get um Bruso or the number four, a Justice Department official, and somebody who, by the way, is not in the chain of command on the intelligence investigation associate Deputy Attorney General. Yeah, good question is from Eric So he is the top deputy, the Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, a woman who signed one of those FISI warrants, by the way, and uh he is you know kind. Intelligence investigations are supposed to be left to counterintelligence prose people who do it for a living, so you can detect deception, you can detect efforts to deceive and and and that doesn't happen. So as Christopher Steele starts meeting with um Bruce Or and that information flowing in. But at this moment, Uh, Glenn Simpson, the founder Fusion GPS, the man who the Clinton campaign paid directly to the NC paid directing, and he hired Christopher Steel to do the dirt digging. And by the way, Glenn Simpson is the boss of Nellie Or Bruce Or his wife because he had hired Nellie Or to work on the Trump dossier. Uh. They're meeting, their meeting at a coffee shop in Washington, d C. And they're having this extraordinary conversation. First off, a thumb drive a memory stick is handed to Bruce Or, according to these handwritten notes of the meeting, and it has all of Glenn Simpson's latest dirt on President Trump, the latest version of the dossier, all the things that the FBI is already committed to stop collecting, right because they fired Steele. He hands them at and then they begin to have this extraordinary discussion. And some of the stuff is you know, you know, almost jaw dropping in and sounds like a spy novel. They come up with these different ferries. But one of the most important things that occurs there is that. Glenn Simpson for the first time is recorded in written notes saying, I know who the source of Christopher Steele used to prove this ort to come up with all of this collusions allegations, And he actually isn't in Moscow. We don't have any sources in Moscow. Well, if you're in your Russian spy case, you kind of hope you have some sources close to the alleged plot. They're not. It's a former Russian intelligence officer in the United States who's feeding this information. I show this to some of the best counterintelligence professionals in the world, people who have done this for a quarter century Moore, and the first thing I said is you know what contra intelligence professional. The first thing they're gonna say is that's not There are no such thing as the former Russian intelligence officers there. That guy is working to disrupt the election. It's most likely a compliment effort to feed information to the Democrats to smeyar Donald Trump, so we mess up the whole election. First thing that jumps out in the notes to the professionals, and and then he talks about gun Steele blurts something out and says, uh, at the end of the election, I couldn't wait anymore. I couldn't keep this stassier secret anymore. So I went to uh Mother Jones and David Corne and I leaked the store and I asked for Steele to participate in that leak, by the way, violating the FBI's rule. And he uses this word, excuse me, you got them fired too, firedst them right. He uses it was a hail mary attempt. Now that's such an important word because we know what a hail mary means. They're trying to they're trying to make a last minute impact on the election because it didn't go the way they fought. Well, that's so important because Glenn Simpson has now testified to two different committees, House Intelligence, House Judiciary, and he told them the same thing. This was not about politics. I wasn't trying to influence the election. I was just trying to be a good citizen. This was about citizenship and reporting wrong doing. Well, if you're about citizenship and you're reporting wrongs and you think you let the FBI do their job, but not these two guys. They go to the media and they leak it because really their intention is now clear they're trying to sway the election, and they're just using the FBI as a part of the political opposition tool that they needed. So that's the second admission, and then the third admission is then Sinton kind of gives us what he really thought his theory was. And this theory is ludicrous to the people I've talked to the intelligence community. Here's here's how the theory goes. Donald Trump has had a revolving group of insiders that were the appointment for Moscow is big conspiracy. The first guy with Paul man Afore he got kicked out. Then it was Carter Page he got kicked out. So then it becomes Michael Cohen and and those three guys are working in the election and coluding and conspiring and doing all those things. We'll just think about this. There's no way Moscow had three separate assets working on an operation because it's not possible. But then you look into the facts. What why did they believe? As well? Michael Cohen's relative did some real estate business in Moscow, and that's the best they got to prove that Michael Cohen is there. They say he might have been in progue. We now know that Michael Cohen was never in proud because he showed everybody his passport. The level of week UH doubleheads, third source intelligence that Glenn Simpson says, the core of the steel case and stuff that most intelligence professionals would have laughed out of. The CIA or the FBI were not the Pete stroke and Bruce Org of course certainly as certainly through the system, even though it's this week just discredited the silly of of a plot. And and that's what we learned from these notes. And it's amazing that it took us eighteen months for the Justice Department to keep these from the American public, to see how silly this case was and how politically corrupted this case was so gentle when you look at the situation, I mean, we're into this now, you know, this inquiry as they call it, our investigation started in We're now, you know, more than halfway through eighteen and it seems like every day you're every couple of days, you've got a new story and a new report and a new UH discovery. I don't know if we've seen the half of it yet. What do you think, Yeah, that's a great question. I think the most important thing that could happen before election day was quite sankly any time for the American public. Let's not even tie it to an election. The most important thing to have happened here is what happened after nine eleven. We had adults in the intelligence community at that moment, and after we got sucker punch and we had a horrific moment, the FBI and the CIA made a commitment. Listen, no matter how embarrassing it is, no matter how bad it is, we're gonna put all our chips on the table, and we're gonna let people see what went wrong here. The American public deserves to know what was the fi SU court told, what were the flaws and the evidence? What things of the FBI know that they withheld from the FISC Court. And I think if we do that, Mr Mayor was you know, an important voice during that time for us during nine eleven of arguing for accountability. If we didn't have Mayor Giuliani doing those sort of things, we might have not heeled the way we did. We have to get right on this something. We need the FBI director and the d n I and the c I a director to let us see what really happened here. That's not going to compromise any cases. Why why this plexes us tremendously. Why are our Sessions and Rosenstein covering up? Why would they Why would they obstruct Congress keep this information back, not launch a really really intense investigation. Instead of your finding this out, they should be finding this out. Why what's the motive? I think they may know it. And at the end of the time, when I first came to town, I met an old, wily senator named Bill Proxmire's a Democrat from Wounsin never spent more than a thousand dollars on reelection, and he told me something that I always thought was stuck with me all these years later. He said, never ascribe to conspiracy. What you can explain the bureaucracy. I think in some way the Deffice Department knows that this is embarrassing to the institution, it's embarrassing to the court that they might have miss led. And I think they're trying to run out the clocks and they they don't have to go through that period of embarrassment. But hey, the FBI had to go through nine eleven and miss it. Mr seen its MAMO and the Massali memo, the FBI will do itself in the American public a great favorite. Say just lay the cards on the table, this is what went right, this is what went wrong. We won't do it again. I think we all move on a lot quicker. I think the bureaucratic instinct could protect the institution is at the heart of this keepaway game. I really need could it? Could it also be rosen Stein's involvement with the last Fiser application. Well that's a great question, sir. And it's an interesting thing because in the story a couple of days ago, I noted something very privately. Uh, Rod Rosenstein sent a letter to Congress saying, hey, I testified. I didn't know there was nobody in my agency that was working on this except me. I didn't know about Bruce Or. Well, you know, sir, because you were at the top of the Justice Department. Ignorance is not an excuse before the five support. It is your obligation to know that Bruce Or was doing these things of the FBI was withholding things before you signed the name to it. I think Rod Rosenstein's own personal institution, his own reputation, is a little bit in jeopardy. If we learn how much the court might have not known about exculpatory information and everything I hear about what's in the yeah redacted saxons and about exculpatory information. Hey, John, let me ask you this. You've got a piece out it's at the Hill right now, which at and the Hill dot Com. I know you've got other pieces you're working on. Folks, you need to be following John Solomon. We encourage you. And John, thanks for taking time to be with us on the John Hennity Show. And thanks for doing the work you're doing. John, You're doing Justice Department should be done service to the United States. All Right, we're gonna be back with more. God boy, we're covering a lot of material, hero, Mr Mayor amazing. All right, hank Ty, We'll be back with more in a moment. And welcome back with a Shawan Hannity Program. And it is great to say that. Um, I've had the chance to be with Rudy Giuliani for hours and hours and hours over the last couple of months, working on a case that everybody knows about. But here we are in the last segment of the Sean Hannity Show. Let me ask you this, Mr Mayor, you're you're kind of in pressions here as we are you and I say, trying to land the plane. Well, I think my impressions are that we're we're doing fine, and we've got to our strategy is multifaceted. We're ready for anything. The thing about it, it's amazing, is how much more there is to this that doesn't necessarily involve us. Going back to the beginning of this. I think this investigation is going to continue, but a totally different focus. They're gonna investigate the investigators because of the irregular somebody has to investigate this and whether it's bureaucratic protection or something worse, the just Department has really really acted, uh inappropriately, I agree. All right, let me tell you something else. We've had the opportunity to talk about a lot of issues of great guests, but we've also started the broadcast with, as we always do, given you news of what's happening, and we're, like I said, the Mayor and I are kind of living it, making it and in the middle of it. But also I don't want to forget about something we talked about, and that is the case of Pastor Andrew Brunson. It's a big weekend on that case. I believe you've read the news of what's happening in Turkey right now the press, and it's demanding the return of this American pastor. I appreciate your thoughts and prayers for him and for his family as we try to get him returned to the United States of America. Also, let me say this, as we look at the case, and I know there's you know, some of you are getting paid and some of people are getting in patient with us, Rudy. Some people think, why can't they just make up a decision here and just announce it. There's a lot more to it than that. Yeah, yeah, if we have to, if we had just acted precipitously, two or three months ago, none of this would have come out. Has worked in our favor here, Yeah, And look, I think at the end of the day, the legal strategy we've implemented is correct. I believe that the right type of uh process that we've gone through to protect the Constitution and the integrity of the constitution Separation of Powers Article two. That's what you do when you're representing a president, and that's the highest task, I think. And you've had some big tests, and I've had some big task but this is the biggest test we've ever had. As lawyers represented President, I had the opportunity a couple of times to represent President Reagan, not this kind of thing, but as as president. And it's it's the greatest honor in the world too. It's a great honor to represent the United States government. When I was in assistant U S Attourney, I get up in front of a jury and a pellate court and I'd say, my name is Rudolf Julianna. I represent the United States of America. I always get goose bumps. Always. It's like when I get when I when they call your name to the Supreme Court of the United States and say Mr Secular, will now hear from you. I've done it a lot, but it doesn't change. You still get goosebumps when they say that. I think about that. You know, Mr Secular, the grandson of a fruit peddler from Brooklyn that was from Russia that went to lived they raised his family in Brooklyn, New York. Bar peddler's uh, Barbara and Barbara and Barbara and a tailor there. You got two grandfathers. There. You go, America just what it is. It's absolutely great. Hey, it's been great sitting in for Shawn, and I want to thank the entire staff of The Shawn Hennity Show for allowing us to do. It's always a blast. And I will tell you this, Sean does a great service every single day that he is on the air, and so does this team that he's got bringing you real news, real insight, real information, but our pleasure. Have a great weekend. Thank you.