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I remember Howard Stern once on an interview said, I don't know what happened. All of a sudden, the light went on and this stuff comes flying out of me. That's a little different than the content of this show, but it's the same experience I had. If you look at Howard Stern's movie Private Parts, Um, and all the moving and all the stupid dumb p ds that I've had to deal with in my life, etcetera, etcetera. It's all true, you know the w in BC. I mean, it's all that stuff has happened. And so I remember I sat down with one guy one day and it was name is Al Gardner. So he's now retired, and you know, I was in Atlanta. They did a big research project that came back. You gotta do topic A for the whole three hours. We're gonna do it all day, from six am to twelve midnight Topic A. And I'm like, I can't do this. I can't. They wanted to focus on there had been the value JEP playing had gone now, but it was like four months later, stay on topic A, and I can't do that. 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And we all worked and collaborate together. We all worked pretty darn hard. Anyway. I have no idea what I've got off on that tangent. All right, So I have so much news when I tell you this, it's now all beginning to fit. And the New York Times has they they don't give the number of pages. Let me see what page. It doesn't have the pages because it's a printed out virgin actually says how long it should take you to read the piece. In this particular, it's a sixteen minute read, all right. So it's a long piece and the headline is a secret mission, a code name and anxiety inside the early days of the FBI's Trump investigation. It is more revealing of a soft coup by high up, upper echelon deep state operatives than anything else. Now without even acknowledging that there has been another narrative by people like me and Sarah and Greg and John and Sydney Powell and and uh Sebastian Gorka. I'm gonna forget everybody, but you got the point that they almost had to write this piece knowing darn well what we have exposed in a year, not them. We have been able to unpeel the layers of the young and that's what just start There is a fascinating observation having spent the sixteen minutes reading the stupid piece, although I read faster than that. Um, now, a couple of this and I'm gonna get to the details of that in a second. With Devin Nenez. If Trump was set up, spid On and the d o J covering up, it's a real problem. Yeah, it all happened. He's right, you know this obstruction that Congress is facing, And I've got a letter in my hands from Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, and Rhonda Santis asking the President of the United States to intervene and get the documents that have been subpoened now for well over a year in many cases, and that the d J has been slow walking, stone walling, obstructing, using quote redactions in the name of national security that are proven false, you know, slow walk, whatever you wanna call this, it's obstruction of Congress's constitutional duties of as a coequal branch of government, as a check and a balance, as a separation of power. And it's all deeply profound, that's and it's all impactful, and that there is a really big reason why they don't want you to see what they've been up to. Why Rod Rosenstein didn't want the New Nest Memo what became the New Nest Memo that information to come out, and that's why he was begging Paul Ryan up at the final minute of the final hour of the due date of the subpoena in terms of the documents that proved the FIS abuses. Now we've got, you know, on top of that, the new news and it's going to get bigger probably tomorrow as it relates to the spy that was in the FBI. You know, the name has already been least in certain places. I've known it. I've said it yesterday, i said it last night in terms of initials, but I'm not gonna go beyond that. At this particular point, it's a big deal as it relates to Oleg derra Posca, the Russian oligarch, and his contacts and his relationship with Robert Mueller that was concealed. I don't have a problem at this point based on the knowledge we have that then FBI Director Mueller was working hard to save the life of a retired FBI agent, the CIA operative within Iran that was taken hostage and prisoner. And if he can get this Russian oligarch, derera Posca to pay the million, you know, to get the guy out on all for it. But you can't then turn around and use derra Posca as the bad guy. And as judged Elliott um Ellis the third said, you know, go back to a two thousand and five five case. This is ridiculous as it relates to so called tax fraud with Paul Manafort that had already been investigated at nauseum and dig up a two thousand and five tax fraud case that had nothing to do with Russia. But to put the screws on Manafort, to make Manafort sing, in the words of the judge, and for the purpose of getting something to you can prosecute the president with or impeach the president on is a stretch, way too far. And yet it's the same oligarch in this particular instance, and they never disclosed it. And it's either he's a bad guy or a good guy. What is it? You can't have it both ways. Um, But the efforts to save the prisoner, the CIA operative, I'm all for that. That's a good thing, you know. And there are certain laws that even Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley, who I respect both of them, have cited that Mulla may have broken. I'm it is incidental to me if it was a real effort to save a real American whose life was in jeopardy. You know these laws, Well, you have to pay the guy. It's shut up. You know what, if it's your family, you're gonna You're gonna get the family member out. Now, this is where we become stupid, you know, this is where laws are ridiculous. Oh well, Marbert Mueller didn't put the oligarch on the payroll, and he shouldn't have used his money if he got the American free I'm all for it, and you know, the petty incigna. But the problem is as Mueller is using the petty Oh, he didn't register as a far in the far law, which never has been prosecuted, you know, one time successfully since you know whatever, you know, fifty years. It's been in place longer whenever it was first put in place. Stupid, it's petty, it's it is politicizing political difference. It's or criminalizing political differences. And it's so obvious. This is where you can indicte the proverbial ham sandwich, you know, just like these phony indictments against these thirteen Russian companies that was never They never thought that these Russian companies were gonna defend themselves. Now they're caught in the middle. Watch Muller, Well, how's it gonna handle this besides dropping it? And one of the companies wasn't even in existence. It's embarrassing, It really is embarrassing. But that's how desperate they are to make a quote Russia connection as it relates to everything. I mean, by the way, and even the revelations the releasing of the transcripts of Donald Trump Jr. It is such a big yawn when you look at it, it's amazing actually how dumb it is. You know. And by the way, um, if somebody's offering you information about a candidate, I'd listen. Is it wrong to listen? I don't know. When did that become a crime. Well, it's very you collaboraty, You're colluding with collusions, not a crime. And by the way, every bit of evidence in the what nobody in the media is pointing out is they all were like, this was a colossal waste of our time, this meeting as they talked about adoption. Even the guy that set it up said, oh, he wrote the guy the musicians family and Russia that asked them to set up the meeting, He goes, I sat through a meeting on adoption. You embarrassed me. Why did I have to do this? Anyway? You know, even you know Mark Warner now saying you know, um, you know this has got to end. There was It doesn't look like there's any collusion after all. You know what Mark Warner scared of. Mark Warner sees the blue wave, uh in retreat. It see's you know what was supposed to be a tidal wave, it's not even gonna be a trickle. That's what he's most afraid of. The other one suggests something so colostly awful that it beggars the imagination, or or it goes far beyond any spy novel we've read, which is the idea that the Trump campaign knowingly, knowingly and with some intelligence and and and foresight, cooperating with the Russian government. Do you still think that latter is possible? David, I'm reserving my final judgment until we've seen all the witnesses we need to see, and that we've gotten all the facts. Uh So, I'm gonna I'm gonna hold off. I've been under enormous pressure for the last year for some folks who say, hey, shut it down. There's no they're they're all I'm Mr Trump. There's others who want to try to say, oh, the Trump is guilty from day one. I'm not gonna. I'm not going to weigh in until we've seen everyone. One of the things that has has surprised me though, is that, um, you know, here we are Spring of eighteen, and in many ways we have at least more lines of inquiry in terms of outreach from Russians or folks that have mysterious background to individuals in the Trump orbit. Then we did, uh say here now again, this may all be simply a set of coincidences, or maybe, as you said, there was not the sophistication to realize what was happening. Oh okay, alright, saw, I gotta tell you about the secret mission code name. We'll give you the code name. Just think rolling Stones and uh, the anxiety inside the early days of the Trump's investigation. Let me tell you something. It is more revealing by the New York Times than you'll ever know. And the New York Times were in their head obviously things that they never broke on their own. And I'll lay this out for you. That's next. Al Right. So we have spent a lot of time on this program and on television talking about the biggest abuse of power and and corruption scandal in our history. The New York Times, inadvertently, they did not do this on purposes. Marriage so obvious that they're so trying to desperately cover for their deep state friends and rationalize this abuse of power. And in the process, what they're doing is that they're trying to get ahead of how bad this really is and making excuses for every player, call me Struck Page, all of McCabe, all of them, just making one excuse after another. And there's good news and there's bad news about what I'm gonna get into with this article. The good news is is that they know are reporting and are corroborating, are reporting is accurate. The bad news is they're trying to spin it away so as to protect the guilty. That's a problem because they themselves, in their ideological fervor and in their desire, in their their pathological hatred of Donald Trump and all things Donald Trump and all people that like Donald Trump, they've missed it all. So now the last thing that they could ever do, when you think about it, is acknowledge that, let's see guys on Fox like Hannity and Sarah Carter and uh Greg, Jared and Sebastian Gorka and all. I can't list everybody that they've all been right and that they've been wrong. You're not gonna there's not gonna be an article in the New York Times that ever says, oh never mind, everything we said about Trump Russia collusion is total b s. It's totally manufactured. They're not gonna come out and say, oh, yeah, there really was deep state operatives that lied to fights the court judges. They're never gonna say Hillary broke the law. They're never gonna say the fix was in by this you know, team of Comey, Struck Page, Loretta Lynch, etcetera. They're never gonna say, so this is it's it's actually it's fascinating to read. I'll get into it next. Alright, twenty five till the top of the hour, nine four one sean toll free number. Let me start before we get to the New York Times. And again I can't give you a long set up here, because I did in the last half hour the New York Times piece of secret mission, a code name and anxiety inside the early days of the FBI's Trump investigation. Before I get to that, there is Um Paul Sperry's piece that has come out. Now. Brennan has mentioned the Brennan revelation. Remember Brennan, stay tuned, Mr. President. Remember Brennan and Clapper lied. Brennan and CAPITL. Clapper both lied, So we know their liars. And you know, with that as background, and I've always said that they're gonna become exposed in all of this, deeper than you think. And Brennan in particular, with his you know, hostility and towards the president stay tuned, basically a deep state threat towards Donald Trump. Anyway, so Paul Sperry rights two senior intelligence officials now saying sixteen that Obama's c I H. John Brennan, the other guy that voted for the communist once like I, who how we ever got that job, is unbelievable, used the completely unverified, now discredited Trump dossier to get the intelligence community to go along with his theory that President Trump colluded with Russia to defeat Hillary Clinton. Now we've had multiple investigations that proves no votes have been changed at all, including one last week of the week before. So anyway, Brennan's insistence that this steal foreign national Russian, unverified, uncorroborated, now debunked dossier was not part of the official intelligence community assessment on Russia and the election is now contradicted by two former officials. And I have been saying it's rank and file FBI, rank and file c I, a rank and file intelligence community they are the ones. That's how great they are in exposing these guys at the top. And they were zent that their good work is tarnished by the likes of Comey, McCabe, Page Struck, Brennan, Clapper, Lauretta Lynn. They were in it because they know how stringent the rules are. Anyway, So you have recently retired National Security Agency Director Michael Rogers stating and a classified letter to Congress that the Clinton campaign funded memos did not factor in to the i c A. And that Clapper and and Brandon, who was the Director of National Intelligence, conceded in a san interview that the assessment was based on some of the substantive content of the dossier. They didn't elaborate, and they maintained that we were able to corroborate certain allegations. Okay, which ones these account So now at odds with Brennan's May twenty seventeen testimony before the House Intel Committee that Steal dossier was quote not in any way used as the basis for the Intelligence communities assessment of the Russia interfered in the election to help Donald Trump. Brendan has repeated that claim many times. He was on meet the press. Marchen a letter to House Intel Committee Chair Devin Newnist Adam Rodgers informed the committee that a two paid summary of the dossier, described as the Christopher Steel Information, was added as an appendix to the I c A draft, and that consideration of the appendix of that appendix was part of the overall I see A review approval process. His criticism of the dossier may explain why the n S a parted company with other intelligence agencies and cast out on one of their crucial conclusions that Putin personally ordered a cyber attack on Hillary's campaign to help Donald Trump. We now know too that they went after both campaigns and that they wanted to create chaos, et cetera. So yeah, we do know. By the way, this whole thing that oh we do know Russia wanted to create has Yeah. Devin Newness wrote it in the in a in a paper back in teen now to the New York Times today, secret Mission, code name and anxiety inside the early days of the investigation. And it talks at length, and I'm gonna read some parts of it, you know about you know, it starts with within hours of opening the investigation. They admit in this article that the same players that we're responsible for putting the fix in on Hillary are the same players that quote, according to The New York Times days later, we're responsible for launching this investigation that's later in the piece, but it needs it's it's a much needed background now. Within hours of opening this investigation was in July of six, they sent a pair of agents to London and a mission they describsed so secretive that all but a handful officials were all kept in the dark. Their assignment not previously reported, to meet the Australian ambassador, who had evidence that one of Donald Trump's advisers knew in advance about Russian election metaing. After tense deliberations between Washington and and top Australian officials, broke with diplomatic protocol, allowed the ambassador to sit for an FBI interview describing the meeting with George Papadopoulos. Anyway, I was around the Trump campaign. I never heard of Georgia Popolos, never I remember this became four way hearsay. Your hearsay is not even miissible in court, never mind four way hearsay by some low level guy that I didn't know when I was actively involved in covering this from top to bottom. Yet and I did want one side to win ols I did. Shocker full disclosure. I might have used the bathroom at Trump Tower once or twice while I was there doing interviews. Anyway, the agents summarize their highly unusual interviews sent word to Washington August second, two days after the investigation that was open. Their report helped found the become the foundation. But the case it's all a crock because you can't use four way hearsay. Anyway, they used the code name Crossfire Hurricane. If you've ever heard of the Rolling Stones, the lyrics I was born in a cross fire hurricane. It's well known lyric. And by the way, there's even a documentary you may want to watch on Netflix one day about it, or somewhere on Showtime or somewhere anyway, days after they closed the investigation in the Hillary Clinton's user use of a private email server will slow down. Let me transcribe that days after they closed their exoneration before investigation dare days after they rigged. Because we know Hillary committed crimes obstructing justice deleting the emails, but you know, acid washed the whole bit and of course, it was illegal to put confidential, private, top secret, special access program information on the mom and pop bathroom closet server anyway. So if the piece goes on, then the Expector General is going to report on all of the corrupt goings on and happenings in this anyway. Agents, this is how they defend the actions. Now, remember the New York Times is not acknowledging that Hillary committed crimes she did eighteen USC. Seven. You don't get to delete thirty three thousand supoena emails, acid washer hard drive and have an aid beat up your blackberries and devices. They're not acknowledging the highly unusual practice. And the piece goes into it. How both these investigations were brought in the house and away from field agents. They're not acknowledging that it is beyond improper to write an exoneration before an investigation. They're not doing any of that. They're not acknowledging four FISA court judges were lied to in this case. Agents considered then rejected interviewing the Trump associates, which might have spet up the investigation, but at risks revealing the existence of the case. It's all a cruk now here's the other interesting point. Fearful of leaks, they kept details from political appointees over at the Justice Department. Guess who made that decision. Peter Struck, the guy that interviewed Hillary, the guy that worked with Comey to write the exoneration, and May they didn't interview Harttel July or seventeen other key witnesses and explained in a text that the Justice Department have been finding too taste to resist sharing. I'm not worried about our side. He hated Trump actively involved in Hillary's exoneration because he didn't want her to lose. That's the corruption part of it. Only about five Justice Department officials doing the scope of the case. Yeah, all friends of Obama. Comey said it was unfair to compare the cases, etcetera. It's an underpinning of both cases, meaning the Clinton days after they literally exonerate and keep Hillory away from the indictment she deserved, then they start the hit on the other guy. That's what the New York Times doesn't even understand. They were revealing here and the FBI, oh, they right, faces very criticisms and more because agents feared that being seen as withholding information or going too easy on going too easy, she committed crimes that would put every one of you in jail that are listening to this program. And they worry that any overt actions against Trump would only reinforce his claims that the election was rigged against him. You know what. The piece also recognizes that they thought Hillary was gonna win. They never doubted it for a second, which impacted their decisions, you know. And then they go through everything that Devin Nowness has said. They try to call it a conspiracy. Um no, and and but they're not talking about them not wanting to hand over documents that are sapened, violating the constitution, government oversight, checks and balances co equal branches of government. And they quote Marco Rubio and they quoted twenty year Justice Department veteran. I'll go okay, that matters. And they say Crossfire Hurricane, which is the name they get. This is the song, by the way, if you've never heard, just imagine Nick Jagger on stage. Let me continue. It was Crossfire Hurricane began a hundred days before the presidential election. Days after they exonerate Hillary. Now they go after Trump. The mood was those early meetings were anxious. They go on, and the question still persists, why was anyone in the Trump campaign tied to the We still don't have any evidence of such. That's another thing The New York Times is pointing out. And they focused in on Flynn and Manafort and Page and Papadopolis. Okay, why don't they focus in Hillary committed felonies, obstructed justice? The fix was in, you don't write an exoneration before investigation struck their acting as though he is just well, they do put in that he did say some things that were inappropriate and seemingly political. Seemingly they're political, he had an agenda, and they just they kind of gloss over the insurance policy comments. That's it is no evidence. And by the way, collusion is not a crime. That's why you know, they've been trying to talk about Donald Trump Junior in the release, and they said, there's nothing there except that Donald Jr. And everybody associated with it said the whole thing, the whole meeting, for the most part, was about adoption as a favor to somebody that everybody knew. Anyway. It goes on to say the FBI crystallized by mid August after the c I a director. Now we know a massive Trump paiter. Left winger John Brennan shared intelligence with James Comy showing the Russian government was behind an attack on the president election, something that Barack Obama said, no serious person would believe this. Intelligence agencies that began collaborating, Well, they hated Trump. That's the one common threat of all of them. And the same people involved in a exonerating Hillary and not holding her accountable. And Andrew McCabe is a part of it. And you know, then they go through the Struck Page memos and on and on, exchanging texts questioning Trump's intelligence, you know, believing that feared that he would damage the country. So that explains why you exonerated Hillary and why you started an investigation based on four way here say you believe that part of it. And then but the New York Times is trying to say they showed such cautious, cautiousness and caution and intelligence gathering and that was done on purpose because they're good people. Then they quote Sally Yates the article you do not take actions that will unnecessarily impact an election. Another Trump paiter, Sally Yates, I'm so proud of you who sent that email back in the in the day, you understand what's going on here. It's like everything we've been telling you is exposed, and they're kind of half acknowledging it because it's irrefutable. At this point, it's in controvertible. But their answer to it is to explain it away as if it's nothing, lying to fight the judges and giving them false information, unverified, uncorroborated, paid for by a political opponent, not telling them a political opponent paid for it. That is, that is basically taking your constitution and setting it ablaze. And the powerful tools of intelligence now turned on the American people in favor of one person to get elected over another. That's a big problem for the country. And to ignore the crimes of one candidate because that's you're chosen candidate, and then to set out to damage another candidate, and then to create the the environment for for what we have now lived through for so long. I am telling you this is going to get far worse before it ever gets better. And you are not going to believe the depths to which some have sunk to literally undermine this president, this election process, to help save a candidate and undermine another candidate, all because they think they know better than you, the American people begrudgingly, The New York Times is helping to make my case. They don't even know it. Well, let's talk about how did this get started. So you had Fusion GPS that was hired by the Democratic Party in the Clinton campaign to drop a dossier on the president or as the president was running for president. What happened with that is is that in his testimony he mentioned that there was a source within the campaign, Simpson runs Fusion. When Simpson said that in public or what was closed testimony, then it became public. Now he's confirmed that he was telling Congress the truth, which is probably a good idea. We believe he was telling the truth, and what we're trying to do is get the documents to figure out, you know, did they actually have what methods were used to open this counter intelligence investigation? If there is a spy and we don't normally believe he's telling the truth, but in this case, it kind of sounds as if if you got, if your congressional investigator has got the information regarding this secret source, it sounds like that might call into question the narrative we've heard so far, it's like, oh, really, it didn't happen like that at all. Well, I think if they were, I think if the campaign was somehow set up, I think that would be a problem. Right, if there were somehow some meetings that were that occurred and all this was a set up. Because we have yet to see any credible evidence or intelligence that led to the opening of this investigation, you're saying that, it makes it sound like you believe Donald Trump was framed. We look, I believe that they didn't have that. Well, first of all, I believe they never should have opened a counterintelligence investigation into a political party. Counterintelligence investigations are are very very rarely do they happen, and when they do happen, you have to be very careful because you're you're using the tools of our intelligence services and relationships with other countries in order to spy on a political campaign. Probably not a good idea, all right. As we have been saying, our to Sean Hannity Show, gladiate with US eight hundred nine for one, Shawn is our toll free telephone number. You want to be a part of the program. So much breaking news today, it is stunning, Lee spectacular, how this New York Times news piece not only corroborates everything, the the length and depth to which they go to defend the indefensible is remarkable. And I go back to what I said in the last hour, but for the work that has taken place, let's see Sarah John, Greg Gorka, David Shown, Um, Sidney Powell. I can't name everybody. They're almost acknowledging everything and giving a you know now a code name. And the early days and the players that exonerated Hillary to protect her from obvious crimes days later then turn their sights on Donald Trump, the same people. The great article by Andy McCarthy from about two days ago, the struct page texts, you know how important they are to get that information because we may not need to look at anything else because it's probably all in there, which is why they were dacked everything and we haven't gotten ahold of everything, and why we deserve to see everything. Greg Jarrett, Fox News legal analyst, author of the upcoming book The Russian Hoax, The Illicit Scheme to Clear Hillary Clinton framed Donald Trump. David Shown, criminal and Civil Liberties attorney. Thank you both for being with us, Um, Greg, I just go right to the title of your book. I don't know if you've had time to read this New York Times piece. It's a long read. It's a lengthy read, a secret you know, crossfire hurricane. I felt it. It did two things. It corroborated everything we believed and talked about and have exposed, and then tried to spin it out of it in a way that was almost remarkable, but it didn't work. And they also tried to justify their original reporting from last December thirty, the big bombshell report that you know it was George Popidopoulos who was mouthing off in a London bar to an Australian diplomat that triggered the Trump Russia collusion investigation, that that was utterly preposterous. Well, I want you to explain why, because you were the first person that pointed out to me that this is four way hearsay here says not allowed admissible in court. Because somebody in Moscow told somebody else, who told a professor, who told uh Papadopoulos, who passed along the information in a bar to an Australian diplomat who then calls the FBI. But the FBI had already started their investigation of Trump because they had met with Christopher Steele, the author of the dossier, who had already penned his first memo, which and I have it here in front of me. Republican candidate Donald Trump's activities in Russian compromising relationship with the Kremlin is the title of it. And it goes on to accuse Trump of being in bed with Putin for five years, trading information and the so called UH perverted sexual acts the p tape. So the FBI had already started investigating Trump. Papadopolis was well after that. So but you know, the New York tizesn't know that. So in other words that in other words, they're lying. In other words, they're they're going with the story. They were just they were gullible because the FBI, trying to cover up the role of the dossier, fed them this false story about Papadopoulos. So give us the timeline. Then what are you saying, Well, if you go back and you read Glenn Simpson's testimony that was essentially leaked by Diane Feinstein, um and you dig deep into it, he says that in early July, after UH Steele had written the first memo of his dossier. He met with the FBI because, according to Simpson, Steele was so upset that Trump and Putin were colluding to win the election that he felt he had to tell the FBI. And if you also dig now into the libel lawsuits involving Christopher Steele is essentially admitting that, well, this is rather rough field intelligence and it's not reliable. My lord. This is what brought about the whole scandal in Trump Russian collusion narrative, and the guy's now admitting basically that he was full of bs. Unbelievable. Let me bring David Shown into all of this. Uh, you know, David, you've become such a great addition to the program. Um and have I know this case now you're following it like we all are. Um I I. It's funny because the news media started out with oh my gosh, oh my gosh. They've released the transcripts of Don Jr. And they all ignored the main point, which is everybody was disgusted with the meeting that was obviously done as a favor because it was all about adoption in the mcginsky Act. Yeah. Yeah, so many aspects of this so called Trump Tower business that are really really trembling, troubling. The first is I have to say that the entire focus for the media and maybe for the government now at this point is on what happened at that meeting, what the purpose of the meeting was, etcetera. UH turned out, as you say, to be a complete bust, and there was no information transmitted. The second question would be, of course, and if there were, what about opposition research? And if there were information transmitted about illegal or inappropriate conduct by Hillary Clinton? Isn't Mr Trump entitled to know that? Isn't the American people entitled to know? Aren't the American people in titles to know that? But where's the focus then, on the underlying conduct? Where's the investigation into the conduct that we believe may have occurred by Secretary Clinton and all that everything it's turned on his head that has absolutely no relevance to the media or to UH investigators. You know, I hear everything you're saying, and I don't know if you've had a chance to read this New York Times piece, but as I read it, and I think what is so remarkable to me is acknowledgements that they almost are acting like they were following themselves, and they weren't, and and and and you know, Mark Warners, Now, maybe there's probably not collusion. Let's move on. That's an election and coming in a few months. It's pretty revealing. Yeah, by the way, I don't even know anymore what the word collusion means. It certainly isn't a crime if it means working together to um acquire and disseminate information the American voters ought to know. You may want to plead guilty to that, frankly as a matter of strategy, but it's not a crime in any event. But look what we're starting to stress the surface of now, is this so called mole in the campaign business? Uh coming out that to me is one of the most serious issues that you have touched. You've touched on many, many serious and troubling issues. This is the latest one. It's as troubling as anything I've heard. And we've said before, are there parallels here to Watergate? And you've made the point cosmetically this could be worse than Watergate. Between the FISA lying and all of that business. This I mean specifically looks like water Gate. Mean, what was the purpose for the burglars breaking in? Uh? In the first place into the water Gate this if this is really the insertion of a mole in the campaign, God only knows what the purpose was in terms of understanding strategy for the campaign to then uh fight that strategy during the election. That's unprecedented in our system and it's a danger to every voter in the country if that's what happened. You know, Greg, I can glean a lot from the title of your coming book. I wish it was out today, to be honest, because it's so relevant, it will be relevant when it comes out, and it's so detailed because I've watched you build this entire you know book as your office is two doors down from mine. But it really comes down to the very same players that new Hillary committed felonies, obstructed justice, subpoena emails, all that, and wrote an exhoneration before investigation, rigged the investigation to keep her in the race and overlook crimes that would put anyone else in jail. Then days after they get through their exhoneration, now turn their sights on Donald Trump and what is a a real power play to hurt him and his candidacy and literally helped catapult the person they thought and acknowledged they thought was gonna win. These people at the f by, FBI and Department of Justice abused their offices. They contorted the law to clear Clinton. Then they weaponized laws and regulations to try to frame Trump for crimes he didn't commit. There was never any evidence that he and his campaign collaborated with Russia to win the election, and the FBI had no legal basis to initiate its investigation. They simply invented facts and they perverted the law. The law enforcers became the law breakers, and come me, more than anybody else, is the guy who manufactured the most notorious hoax in modern American history. Then he schemed to trigger the appointment of his longtime friend Robert Muller as special counsel. It was a devious maneuver leaking stolen presidential memos. Uh, you know this is the story. Is the title of my book, says of the Russian Hook. And I wish it were out today, but that's up to the publisher. You know, it takes time to print it up and get it like that much time that that I put them on twenty four hour shifts, and I think we can get it published and printed and moved out. I want to talk about where this is headed and likely to end up. More with David Chowam, More with Greg Jarrett. One Shawn is our number. If you want to be a part of the program. You know, this swamp is worse than we ever thought it really is. You know what we're seeing learning every day. I mean about the deep state, how they think they know better than you, the American people, about a dual system of justice, no equal justice, under the law of shredding a constitutional rights. It's all happening right as we continue Sean Hannity's show eight one. We're gonna actually wait till we show you what we do on TV. I think visually it's gonna make it more explainable if you will. Greg Jarrett his new books soon to be released, Russian Hoax, The Illicit Scheme to clear Hillary Clinton and frame Donald Trump. David shown criminal civil rights Attorney, Civil Liberties Attorney, Greg. Where do we go here? Where does this end up? You know, A very cynical friend of mine said, I watched and listen to every day, but you know, and I know they're gonna find ways to defend and and and and get away with all of this crap. What he said, Well, I think Muller will try to justify his own existence and his investigation by issuing a report that sort of hedges, and we'll give Democrats in Congress who hate Trump a reason to argue that articles of impeachment are merited, which will be completely false and spurious. UM. I don't think there will be any evidence or accusation of collusion, so there won't be an indictment. Obstruction of justice doesn't really apply, so it'll be a big nothing burger on its merits. But he'll give Congress something. But the real issue will be will charges be brought against McCabe and Comy and Peter Struck, Lisa Page Uh and others who were involved in the hoax and abuse the law Uh in Comy's case, stealing government documents, filing a false FISA warrant application. That's going to be the real test. Let me ask the same question, David Seung. Here's the answer. Eternal vigilance is the price of democracy. To paraphrase your show, is the eternal vigilance. We cannot talk only in the past tense about these issues. The pest tense informs us. But we have to move forward. That's why the dynamic nature of your show is so important that you're following all of these stories. Because one of the last points Greg Jarrett made was Comy's action in touring the special Prosecutor Mueller was put in place. That's the future, so that Mueller acts as a proxy for with a team made up completely of fellow travelers, acted a proxy for Comey McKay. People have been driven out already to stimy policy for the Trump administration, which I must say has not been so effective. We had the great day in foreign policy with Jerusale Embassy acting enforced last week North Care. You've identified all of these things, but the future is so dangerous because a person like Mueller is in the position he's in to sty me so many things. We have to keep our eye on that ball um. You know, how does it go? Yeah, and you look at you go back to you know, the judge Ellis and then compare it. You know, this is why he judges. Elections matter. Judges matter, why we talk as conservatives about the danger of legislating from the bench, etcetera. You know, how to reconcile the two judges Ellis and there's there's DC circuit judge or okay, this is a very very important issue. Um, so glad you focused now on Judge Jackson's opinion. The simplest reconciliation would be to say Judge Ellis um laid into the lawyers because that case is even one step further removed from the so called Russian collusion investigations and therefore really exemplifies unfettered power. You could say, just Judge Jackson's case is a little closer, and she tries to make the case for why it's really included. But here's why her in my view, her opinion is so important and so dangerous. She essentially provides that unfettered power. She provides everything in that decision. The Judge Ellis was afraid of it. What do I mean believe she's decites the regulations, but he says they're not binding on anyone. I'm telling you, this decision really raises the appointments clause issue that we discussed a little bit and must be discussed much. Alright, David Chung, Greig Jared, thank you both. Ram Paul Moore coming up alright now tills the top of the hour one Shawn are toll free telephone number. You want to be a part of the program. I want to go back to the issue of North Korea first, And Heather, now, are you used to work at Fox now working at the State Department. Uh. They haven't heard from North Korea. They haven't heard that they're packing out of any summit, which is kind of hilarious. But even if they did. Trump didn't dump planeloads of cash and and cargo planes of cash and other currencies to get three hostages, removed him Jong un literally dismantling his nuclear sight or his test site, um him walking across the d m Z to stop firing missiles over Japan and threatening the world. I'd say, already, we're in a pretty good spot. Here's what she said. We have not heard anything from that government or the government of South Korea to indicate that we would not continue conducting these exercises or that we would um not continue planning for our meeting between President Trump and Kim jongan next month. And the fact that the media is are it's over. No, it's not over, because the president can go back to let's see sanctions, the military strike forces off the coast of North Korea, that there's a lot of options. There um one other thing. I mean, we played some of this yesterday. I want to go back to if we got this Jason, the cut of the President calling on Congress to secure our borders and stop sanctuary cities and shut down policies that release violent criminals. When a Republicans going to go on offense and demand the Democrats answer these questions because this is happening to real Americans. As I have been down to the border, I have shown you over and over again the briefing I had with then Governor Rick Perry. How many Texans alone in a seven year period were victims of crime, some petty and some really serious like murder. This morning, I especially want to speak to the young sons and daughters who join us here today. I want you to know that your mom's and dad's were among the bravest and Americans to ever live. When danger came, when darkness fell, when destruction loomed, they did not flinch. They were not afraid, They did not falter. They stared down danger, raced down Alley's, chase down criminals, kicked down doors, and faced down evil. We will always remember Agent Martnez and we will honor his noble sacrifice by continuing his vital mission. The first duty of government is to protect our citizens, and the men and women of DHS are on the front lines of this incredible, heroic fight. That is why we are calling on Congress to secure our borders, support our border agents, stop sanctuary cities, and shut down policies that release violent criminals back into our communities. We don't want it any longer. We've had it. Enough is enough. North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire, fury, and frankly, power the likes of which this world has never seen before. The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself for its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea. Frankly, the people that were questioning that statement wasn't too tough. Maybe it wasn't tough enough. They've been doing this to our country for a long time, for many years, and it's about time that somebody stuck up for the people of this country and for the people of other countries. And what they've been getting away with is a tragedy, and it can't be allowed. If anything happens to Guam's gonna be big, big trouble in North Korea. He does anything with respect to Guam or any place else that's an American territory or an American ally, he will truly regret it, and he will regret it fast. Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. This shouldn't be handled now. But I'm gonna handle it because we have to handle it, Little rocket Man. We're gonna do it because we really have no choice. It just as unbelieving. We gotta protect people. I don't understand why people don't understand the need to protect the American people. It's like, you know, compare Clinton and Trump on North Korea. Just just think of that one example, Little rocket Man. We've got bigger missiles. Our missiles work versus. This is a good deal for the American people. I'm gonna try and bribe Kim Jong UN's father, Kim Jong Il. Before I take your questions, I'd like to say just a word about the framework with North Korea that Ambassador Glucy signed this morning. This is a good deal for the United States. North Korea will freeze and then dismantle its nuclear program. South Korea and our other allies will be better protected. The entire world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons. South Korea, with support from Japan and other nations, will bear most of the costs of providing North Korea with fuel to make up for the nuclear energy it is losing, and they will pay for an alternative power system for North Korea that will allow them to produce electricity while making it much harder for them to produce nuclear weapons. The United States and international inspectors will carefully monitor North Korea to make sure it keeps it excremmitments only as it does so well. North Korea fully joined the Community of Nations, all right. Lastly, before we get to the phone, Sarah Sanders literally talking about the White House. Still hopeful that North Korea the summer happens, but as I said, if it doesn't, it doesn't, then we'll just put more sanctions in place and show a military presence and probably if he fires missiles again, take out his sights. Unbelievable, the comparison and the hysteria again in the media. Uh oh. By the way, the top of our rampole is going to join us. Let's get to our busy phones. Let's say hi to uh Lady Sim and Calabasas, California. Lady Sim, is that right? Is that your name? Yes? Hello, Sean, you are my ownsong hero. You know that? How are you speak with you? I am great and I was so angry, and not only that, I was frustrated last couple of days to what this King Germany for doing it? So Sean Weaven, I'm giving your calls. First of all, I want to thank President got your commending job for our country, not only that bringing back home three houses from North Korea. And second about King John, this guy is a nothing more than psychopath, liar, boodoo, vicious to dictator, Mr President, I want to give your advice as a South Korean and a proud Americans and never trust this guy. He is the stolen time right now so he can hide a nook. He will never give up this nooks. The President keep the sanction in test maximum pressure. He has not done nothing in one penny. Listen, no, no, but this President is not giving him a penny. The only help will give them is the help in dismantling the nuclear program. The only thing will offer is okay, you can join the world community, but that's after you. There's the nuclearization of the Korean peninsula. And the only thing we've gotten so far is him crossing the DMZ, stop firing missiles, breaking down his nuclear test sites, and releasing American hostages. So far, I'd say uh plus plus plus plus plus Trump zero Kim Jong on little rocket Man, and my guess is he'll show up, but that's not going to change. Trump is not Trump, is not Obama. He's not Clinton. You know, absolutely absolutely, I have a great fight in our president and that he's sleep commending jobs and new and you sacrifice to yourself and that you stick for us and you fight for us and dice for liberals. Liberals in Korea, same thing in America. You know something, though, ladies, sim let me tell you something. If you look at the people in North Korea and you look at the people in Iran, let's just take those two countries. The people suffer. Those are fellow human beings living in under tyranny, under mad despots, in fear and intimidation. And it is sad to see in this day and age, but it exists, and breaking our heart is breaking our hearts South Korean motory of MoMA. We're breaking heart because well so family. Um, in fact, my uh, my father's younger brother is a kidnap by North Korea. We don't know he's still alive. How long ago? How long ago? How lady Sam? How long ago was that? It was Korean world breakout? And the invader in South Korea, which is amid who ninety June he got he was young, he was very young, and he's got kidnap and houth Korean family, North Korean family. We are family, we are divided, and a providence is the mother and father and the most uh the folks are dead because it's old age. Well, I want to tell you something. I think you capture the humanity of all of this. And you know, and I gotta tell you where we as Americans were kind of spoiled. We take for granted all we have and um, you know, I I I look, you know, I go to Gladiator. Gladiator has a line uh where Marcus Aurelius is asking the Russell Crow character in the movie you know about Rome and and how he will Marcus areally as well be viewed as a dictator as a tyrant, you know, as a you know, this is what I've created and I've only known four years of peace, and why are we doing this? Maximus? And he goes for the for the glory of Rome, sire, and then ah, the glory of Rome. He goes, uh, but you don't you have him been to Rome? And he said, and Maximus says, this world is dark, this world is cold, this world is cruel, and Rome is the light. And Marcus Early says, but you haven't been there, and it's been corrupted. America needs to be that light. America needs to be the better country, because yeah, there's a lot of darkness in this world. Country liberals and the media and that there's the faith media and South Korea have existed as well. There's a liberal one day in he's for giving in everything. I don't know what. Uh. He had a conversation and a really man April twenty seven, which is his story meeting and this guy and a one day in. He's own people, six of them Top Korean a hostage hostage right now. He didn't even Doman. He's hasty. His countrymen the back to us South Korea and then he is a posting this is a Buddhal dictator mortal and posting him and his wife this Kim Joan, so this wife and posting campaigne in the BMG. We our South Koreans are. We were stomach sick. We were so disgusted this guy giving in everything to this Kim Joan. That's why he's playing games. Still. We are so upset with this muntain and he didn't given to man. The four keeps giving in before uh, the Winter Olympics. People don't know this. He gave over thirty million dollars. He's to keep giving the money after Olympics. I gotta run. I don't mean to cut you off, lady sim And we do appreciate your call, and I we share your sentiment, and I hope people can hear the humanity and what it is that we're talking about when we talk about these issues. Anyway, God bless you. We appreciate it. For one. Sean is our number if you want to be a part of this extravaganza. We got a lot more coming up, including brand Paul. At the top of the hour. All right, here's a quick preview of what we'll be doing later in the program today. I mean there's no one in the A t F, the d o J that's been held accountable. Everybody's still actively working. Nobody's been punished by maybe a slap on the hand. That's about it. Dennis Burke, as we know, got a two thousand dollar fine and lost his lawyer's license. You know, we paid fifteen grand to put my brother in the grave. I mean, there needs to be accountability. There needs to be justice for my brother. He deserves it. He spent twenty two years serving this country as the law enforcement officer a marine, and that's what he deserves, all right. So here is a letter of America holder in He says moreover, I'm committed to you in our meeting holding those responsible for your brother's murder accountable, so the full extent of the law and ensuring the operation like Fast and Furious ever happens again, remains a top priority for the Department of Justice and for him personally. Do you believe him? Come on, no, no, I don't believe he. You know, I met with him in person, me and my mom, and I can just tell he was just lying through his teeth the whole time I was talking to him. So, but when I met Mr Trump, Beck on a campaign trail. Uh. He was very apologetic for the actions that the previous administration did. Uh. He was very sincere about getting answers. Um. He said it was shameful and that I think Mr Sessions has step up and and uh reopen the case we investigated and uh um hold those of COMA hopefully we we just and this is just goes to show your gut feeling is probably right. A joint staff reporter Operation Fast and Furious, recovered in June of show the Department did not take care to make sure the Terry family received information and support. On the contrary, the Department appears to review the Terry family as a public relations nuisance. How does that make you feel? It angers me? And you know what if you look through all them emails that were released last summer, how they were saying that, uh, we're the family is a nuisance. Uh. Certain people in the family weren't intelligent enough, intelligent enough to have a conversation with They're talking about wire tap in the family. Uh, it's it's just disgusting, all right. When we get back, Senator Ram Paul checks in with us, and your phone calls eight hundred nine for one, Shawn is our number, these early kind of lines about things need to be done by a certain point now our new president. Of course, I've been in a slat of work before, and I think excessive expectations about how quickly thanks happen in the democratic profit all right, of course, excessive expectations, and one does not know the complications, the artificial deadlines, the complexities of putting legislation together, and so on and so forth. Joining us now as Senator Ram Paul of Kentucky to respond to all of those news round up information overload hour, How are you, sir? Hey Sean, thanks for having me. You know, I do think you did ask I I have a different position than you do on enhanced interrogation, by the way, and uh, if we look at the facts, and I've interviewed Jose Rodriguez many times, he was in the room for example, when College Chek Mohammed was was water boarded under you know, severe medical supervision, and Jose Rodriguez said that it was K S M That gave us the name of the courier that gave us you know, bin Laden, and we only did it three times. Yeah, I just think torture that We're better than that, and I don't think that we should stoop to something like that. It wasn't only the torture that we did in these secret black ops sites around the world. We actually sent people to be tortured by as Sad. Think about it. We now bomb assad because we think he's a barbarian because he gassed his own people, but we sent people to him a decade ago because we knew he was a barbarian. Would torture the hell out of people. I mean, no rules, nothing, I mean we're talking about everything you can imagine you can do to a human would be done by as Sad, often until death. Same way in Egypt. Sim to move Barck in Egypt. Many of these people never wound up again. And the problem is of a dred and twenty five people that was tortured, twenty six of them were mistaken identity was a wrong person. We We often released people after torture and said sorry, whoops, we got a guy with the same name, but you were there, it was a different person. Let me move on to some other issues. I just wanted you to comment on that because I just know we have a disagreement on it, and I do admire a lot of what you're doing in the Senate because you're one of the few guys that do stand up for principles. You just heard Mitch McConnell on the complexities of legislation and our early timelines and expectations of people. Um, I actually give the President the credit for having the sense of urgency that I don't think that that the Senate and the House has enough of. I think the biggest disappointment was not repealing Obamacare. We introduced the same legislation. I forced them to vote on this. They didn't want to vote on it. But in every Republican, virtually every Republican voted to repeal Obamacare, not replace it with the government program, not replaced with big you know, our small version of Obamacare, light to repeal it. And so when we voted on it again, six people who voted to repeal it in now that we could repeal it with President Trump and the White House changed their mind to vote against it was the identical legislation. So that's where the problem is. And actually Senator McConnell wasn't one of those six, but six Republicans did change their vote from repeal to that was I supported you, if you remember on on getting that up and down vote. I thought it was seven. I don't know why it's six, but I mean the fact that they went against their own promises that were shocking. Um, and I know Senator McCain is sick and i'm but the fact is, you know, he had promised the people of Arizona that he would go in and vote to repeal and replaced when it was an easy vote. Senator McCain was for repealing Obamacare, and twenty seventeen when we had a Republican president who changed his mind and he was no longer for repeal. So that was a huge disappointment. But there have been some good things. I mean the tax cut. I think we got a rip roaring occon me right now and that's thanks to the Republican tax cut. Yeah. I mean the economy. Look at the fourteen states with record low unemployment numbers. Same for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, women in the workforce. Uh. Add to that an eleven year confidence in the economy and the right direction of the country, and you know, then you can add to that, you know, the possibilities that changes in North Korea. It's not done yet. But certainly we've seen so many, so many things crossing the d MZ, stop firing missiles, shutting down nuclear test sites on on top of releasing hostages. There's certainly hope there in spite of recent rhetoric in the last twenty four hours. Right, Yeah, I think President Trump has exceeded all of my expectations. You know, I ran against him in the primary. I wasn't sure how conservative would be. He's turned out to be a more conservative president than either of the Bushes by far, but really on track to be as conservative or more conservative than Reagan. Now Reagan had great flowing rhetoric that nobody could equal him. But Trump is actually appointed go to the bench one people to the Circuit Court. We passed Now this is a big accomplishment for the Senate. These people are about an eighth of all of the Circuit Court judges and they interpret the law and interpret whether or not government can expand or whether we can have an expansive view of a living constitution. So I don't know, there have been some good things done. I have had that have been done, and I do complement President Trump on this tax cuts, courses, regulatory reform, and repeal. So this is a lot of good things that have happened. Yeah, I think a lot. And the regulatory look at, for example, the impact on energy alone, which is pretty amazing. Um, what about this issue with Mitch McConnell. And I hate to bring it up because I know he's your states, your other state senator, So I guess that puts you in an awkward position at times, and I'm not trying to do that. But you know, is the President right that McConnell should shut down democratic obstruction, that we shouldn't need sixty votes to advance legislation. Well, particularly on nominee. The Democrats have been stonewalling and filibustering nominees. And the rules are that you have to speak for thirty hours. Each senator gets one hour, and we should force that every time they filibuster nominee, make them stay up all night speaking thirty hours. They've done it to me, frankly. The Republicans have shut me down when they disagree with me trying to cut spending or balance the budget. Boy, they'll shut me down in a heartbeat. But they haven't really shut down the Democrats as much as I think we could. And I think we should force them to speak for the thirty hour period. I'll tell you from experience, it's hard to get people to speak. Thirty different people to speak for an hour, and if it goes all night long, they'll do that once or twice. I think they are putting pressure to bear them. We're starting to get a pick up. But we've had fewer President Trump's UH nominees for government appointed or approved by the Senate than any other president in the history of our country. You know, pretty amazing. What do you make There is an incredible article today that is so revealing in the New York Times about the investigation into President Trump and so called Trump Russia collusion. Now, Devin none Is, I think is right by by saying that it was a setup, that Trump was set up. Very very concerned about this because John Brennan, you know, the former head of the CIA, has now come out of the closet as an out and out Trump hater, uses disparaging language, is out and out partisan in his rhetoric towards the President. He was head of the CIA, and there are reports that he met with the head of British Intelligence. He met with them to gather information that the Brits had gotten on Trump campaign officials, and the question of who started this is very important. It's also a question of whether or not it's even legal to receive this If this is information about American citizens, the CIA is prevented by law from collecting information unless it is related to espionage. Now, if John Brennan is is actively soliciting this information from the British intelligence this is something that is a crime, and he could be put in prison for even just receiving it, though I think is inappropriate, because the thing is, it's not legal to spat Americans. It's not what the CIA is supposed to be doing. What do you make We now know that even though the FISA law says that any information presented in an application to a FISA judge has to be verified and corroborated, and FBI protocols uh similarly, uh, we're not followed. We now know that a Hillary Clinton bought and paid for dossier put together by a foreign national, Christopher Steel, that contained Russian lies, Russian sources, never verified, and they never told the judges in the original application of subsequent applications that Hillary paid for it. To me, laws were broken. Where do you stand without question if they're going to present a dossier that was paid for by the Clinton campaign and not tell the judge that, because that would obviously have the judge saying, well, gosh, maybe this is a political question and not a legal question. And uh, this goes on and on, and so what we had was an FBI run a muck. I think James Cummy will go down in history as the worst FBI director ever because he's ruined the reputation of a great group of men and women who do protect us, who are great law enforcement officers, the vast majority. But Jamie James Comey has has tainted all of that by getting involved in electoral politics. But it's more than call me though, it's Comy, it's McCabe, it's struck its page. Uh. And and I think by the end of this year, right, Brennan Clapper, Uh, certainly Loretta Lynch's conducting all of this. I mean, do you have This is exactly Sean, This is exactly why you have to have controls because Madison wrote that men are not angels, and therefore we have to have a constitution and checks and balances to keep them in place. What we need in place that the FBI is that if they want to search people's records, so they're not searching Republicans or conservatives or Trump supporters, we have to say that searches should have to go to a judge to get a warrant, and that would be the check and balance against these people. Run them up, because you're right, it wasn't one person, and it sounds like there was a gaggle of people, both at the CIA and the FBI. And I fully believe that President Obama on the way out. You remember all those reports saying spread the information, spread the information everywhere, But basically they're spreading gossip and information that was basically bought and paid for by the Clintons. They act all like they were acting something in the good interests of the country, but in reality, I think what they were doing was using the apparatus of the FBI and the CIA to spread disinformation. And so no, I'm I'm very very troubled by this. Do you believe, as I believe, that Hillary Clinton broke the law at the Espionage Act eighteen USC. Seven ninety three, when in fact she put confidential, top secret special access programming information on a server and a mom and pop shop bathroom that called me originally wrote in his exoneration first exoneration draft that five or six foreign intelligence services hacked into But then when those emails were subpoena and she chose to delete thirty three thousand and then acid washed her hard drive with bleach bit and then had an aid break up for blackberries and devices that might have the emails. Was that obstruction? Do you believe she did? She break the law and did the FBI fixed that investigation by writing the exoneration before the investigation. Absolutely, she broke the law. And the thing is is, this is what's most troubling is they just did whatever they could to whitewash that and get rid of that. Because as Peter Strock was texting to his girlfriend Lisa Page, he said, you know, now we can turn to what really matters, and that's the investigation of Trump, which was paid for and instigated by the Clinton campaign. So yeah, this is terrible and this is why all of the intelligence agencies need to be reined in. I remember reading for the first time and thinking, well, it's not gonna be that bad because they don't have the technology to snoop on me in my house everywhere. Now they do have that technology, and we've got to have more checks and controls on government because big government. You know, in this case, it looks like they went for Trump. But what's to stop them from being either too republican or too conservative or two liberal. We really want them to be unbiased. And the only way to do that to have checks and balances and make them get judicial warrants. Well, I mean, what's the point of having the checks and balance, Like for example, look at you know, the letter that was put out today by Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan and Rhonda Santis. I mean, they wrote to the president about this obstructionism, slow walking were actions in the name of national security that turned out to be outright lies when we know constitutional oversight belongs with Congress. We have coequal branches of government, separation of powers, checks and balances. And there's been no indication of whether Peter Strock and Lisa Page are still under investigation or whether they should keep their jobs. We know they've been transferred. Well, Lisa Page quit recently and it wasn't well, it wasn't announced in the big fanfare, but Struck is still in there, and from what we know is access to top secret information. Yeah, and so I've written to Christopher Ray, the head of the FBI, on this, and the initial note they sent back to me was, oh, they everybody has top secret information. But then we've gotten back through channels and this hasn't been well publicized, that maybe he doesn't have access anymore, that his access has been limited. But the thing is that needs to be known by everyone. There needs to be a public airing of this, and there needs to be an investigation of whether or not he should have this enormous power to search Americans in these databases. Every FBI agent that has top secret clearance can look up Republicans at work if they want, can look up Trump downers at work if they want. That's why I want there to be controls. It says they can't do it without going to a judge first and asking for permission. Why are there not more people in the House and Senate that actually care about the Constitution as you do? And I honestly feel like in the media it's been Russia, Russia, Russia, Stormy, Stormy, Stormy, and the biggest abuse of power corruption scandal in our history is unfolding before our eyes. And if you think that's hyperboly, tell me. The problem is is when the shoes on the other foot. If all of this were a Democrat president. Uh, people switch sides based on partisanship. Now you know me, I've been harsh on Republican presidents, Democrat presidents, Republican leadership Democrat leadership. I try to be consistent in trying to defend the Constitution. But the Constitution protects our civil liberties, protect your right to privacy. But it also would have a very small government. So you know, I've introduced a budget, the Penny Plan, that will be voted on tomorrow morning, and it would get us back to constitutional government. It will cut one penny out of every dollar for the next five years and balances in five years. I presented it at lunch to the Republican Caucus, to a bunch of empty blank stairs, and we'll see how many of them actually believe. You don't leaved in. You're the only one left in Congress that supports it. I've been you know, I've supported that for years and Connie mack was was singing the same tune and you were working with him at the time. We'll probably get fifteen or twenty. I'm guessing fifteen to twenty Republican senators. No Democrats, you know that no Democrats leave in this. But the interesting thing is most Republicans, almost all of them, have oted for the Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution, which requires balance in five years. And I told him at Launce, look, if you're for the balanced budget amendment, why wouldn't you vote for this budget it it basically enacts because Republicans and Democrats are mostly alike, and the Republican the Republican Party has become basically a watered down version of the Democratic Party, but they're pretty close. This is the problem I've had over the last several months. The spending bills that we put forward in the annual deficit exceeding a trillion dollars is exactly why I ran for office, because I thought President Obama was spending too much and borrowing too much. And now the Republicans are doing the same thing. All right, Senator ram Paul, keep up the good work. We do appreciate it. Ee one Shawn told free telephone number. You want to be a part of the program. Your phone calls are coming up next. Need to find out the truth exactly what happened, how it happened, why it happened. We need Mr Trump, President Trump to unseal the documents, reverse exactly privilege, so we know what happened and that we can hold the people accountable that are responsible. It should be example set in place so this doesn't happen again. I mean, there's no one in the A, T F, the d O J that's been held accountable. Everybody's still actively working. Nobody's been punished by maybe a slap on the hand, that's about it. Dennis Burke, as we know, got a two thousand dollar fine and lost his lawyer's license. You know, we paid fifteen grand to put my brother in the grave. I mean, there needs to be accountability. There needs to be justice for my brother. He deserves it. He spent twenty two years serving his country as the law enforcement officer of Marine and that's what he deserves, all right. So here is a letter of America. Holder in he says, moreover, I'm committed to you in our meeting holding those responsible for your brother's murder accountable, so the full extent of the law and ensuring the operation like Fast and Furious ever happens again. Remains a top priority for the Department of Justice and for him personally. Do you believe him? Come on, no, no, I don't believe you know. I met with him in personally and my um and I can just tell he was just lying through his teeth the whole time I was talking to him. So but when I met Mr Trump beck on a campaign trail, uh, he was very apologetic for the actions that the previous administration did. Uh. He was very sincere about getting answers. Um. He said it was shameful and that I think Mr Sessions has stepped up and and uh reopen the case we investigated and uh um hold those of combo, but hopefully we we just would. And this is just goes to show your gut feeling is probably right. A joint staff reporter Operation Fast and Furious, recovered in June of show the Department did not take care to make sure the Terry family received information and support. On the contrary, the Department appears to review the Terry family as a public relations nuisance. How does that make you feel? It angers me? And you know what, if you look through all them emails that released last summer, how they were saying that, uh, we're the it was a nuisance. Uh, certain people in the family were intelligent, intelligent enough to have a conversation with they're talking about wire tap in the family. Uh, it's it's just disgusting, all right. That was Kent Terry, the brother of Brian Terry. You know, you haven't heard his name in a long time. But you know what, that whole thing, just the stench of it all. You know, it still bothers me greatly because we had our government literally handing over weapons, uh, two people that they knew were involved in criminal activity, and that one of those weapons is used to kill a border agent American citizen and his name is Brian Terry. And then you know he died in the in Operation Fast and Furious. If you've forgotten, and there are records, there are documents. We never got to the bottom of it. I want to see those documents. I want this reopened. Now. You just heard from Kent Terry, who joins us now he is the brother of the slain Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. Also Congressman darryl Issa with the House Oversight Government Reform Committee, have no idea why you're leaving Congress. That is a really depressing decision, since you're one of the few people that actually do some work over there. Um, welcome both of you, know the program. Kent, good to talk to you. And again I'm sorry to you and your family. And I'm mad because nobody talks about it anymore, Kent. Nobody brings it up anymore. And I felt from the get go that the fix was in again and we never got to the bottom of it. And I want to know what happened. And I think you and your family deserve to see those documents and reopen this case. You know, Sean, we we do deserve it. It's it's been seven years. We've been waiting patiently, and we're tired again. B s a round from from the d o J, especially the previous administration. But now I feel like we're doing a repeat of the previous relationship with the d o J with this d o J. I mean Mr Sessions needs to get off his but he needs releases documents unreadapted, you know, so my family can move on with that light. I mean, it's it's it's every day we think about it. And I promised my brother justice when I when I lowered him in the ground and I will continue and fight. But but Trump promised me that he would open up the books and in Brian's death and fast and curious. Now it's Sessions Dad to open them and give us the documents that we deserve, Congress deserves, and American people deserves. I agree, Oh hardly, Corngressman Eisa, you're there. You know the Attorney General. Why won't he open up this case and and at least unseal these documents? And has this been brought to the President's attention, because I do believe he would have the ability to do that too, wouldn't he, Seawan. The President's engaged on this. That's why he's taken the personal meetings with the family, is why he brought it up time and time again. Uh. And as you know, President Trump keeps his campaign promises, whether it's the Jerusalem Embassy or or vote after vote, including rolling back regulations. Let me give you a quick update. I was on the floor talking to Tray Gouty just a matter of minutes ago. And uh, you know, Trey and I and and everyone else has been involved in this case. We are waiting for Amy Berman Jackson to sign off for the release of thousands of documents. And you know a common phrase in America's we want to get to the bottom of something. These documents help us get to the top of it. We've already seen documents to show that Attorney General Holder was complicit in the cover up and holding back information. Uh. He not only thought that the Terry family wasn't right to talk to, but he he once called in a text Ice and his idiot cronies referring to the staff, that we're going after the truth. But the thousands of documents we will receive as a part of this agreement is a good down payment. Like most members of Congress, you don't want to go through a seven year fight because this kind of delayed relief for the family is and good enough. And so HRT was passed out of the House. Every everyone listening to you today can call their senator and ask him to bring up and pass that bill. That bill would have meant that the compliance would have been in months, not years, where we had to go to a judge and wait for the judge and wait for the judge. Um, that shouldn't be the case. When Congress has a lawful subpoena for documents, they should be able to get to a judge and get it decided family fashion. That is what we're trying to do to bring real justice to the Terry family, which is to get the documents, expose Eric Holder for the liar that he is, for the chief that he is, for the man who should be disbarred that he is. But in the long run, it's the permanent change. It's it's a Brian Terry Bill. That means in the future, this kind of cover up can't go on for seven years. It's just as outrageous, you know. And I think of your family, Kent, and you know, why does your family you know? And and this goes to the Benghazi families too, Why why do why do we have to work so hard to get the truth about in in this case a fellow American for me and your brother, this is your brother, you have a right to know, you know, and maybe if there's certain confidential information, you still have a right to be brought in and given a real explanation. Why in God's name with our government provide guns and weapons too known criminals and cartel members and gang members, you know, And then when an American is killed not accept responsibility for the part and the role they played in that. You know what, you know what, Sean, it's said because not only from my brother, but Heimiezapata also the ice age and killed in Mexico these weapons. And then in two thousand and ten, you you had sixteen children slaughtered in Mexico at a birthday party with the same fast and curious weapons. I mean, where's the Democrats outrage on this? Where are they on this? I mean kids are getting killed with these daily down there. But it's okay, it's a different story though it happens. You're in the US. A life's of life. What country you're in, by the way, and you're right, it's been on both sides of the border. It's not just and and the pain that you and your family have suffered, you know, other families have suffered. We don't, you know, for all the talk about you know, I'm a big believer in the Second Amendment, I really am, and the right, but you know something, the one thing that I think everybody agrees on we don't want guns in the hands of criminals. And you know, I think one of the the arguments that are made by the left, well, the bad people don't obey the law. Good people do, they respect the laws, and and that's the difference. But go ahead, you don't know what. We've got one of the major highest criminals in the world, El Chapel, and he ended up with one of these fast and curious weapons. How many people you think you've just got killed with that one weapon he had. You imagine that the thousands of the weapons that HF let go to know himself. That's eating a criminals. I mean, if you were I or I sut to do it, we'd be imprisoned by now I totally. Well, there's always that double standard, Congress one, well, there is, and and showing the weapon that kids referring to it was recovered when we got when we got him, was a fifty caliber sniper sniper rifle, either the same or one just like the one that brought down to Mexican helicopter by literally piercing the turbine motor at an incredibly powerful weapon. But you asked an important question that will never be answered fully, why did they do this? And the answer, in my opinion, after looking at this case and working it for seven years, is this was and we don't have we don't have the smoking done on this because it was probably all done oral. This was all about getting the assault weapons ban back in place. This was about their attack on the Second Amendment. They were going to let thousands of assault weapons go south the border, if most of the weapons for that type, and then they were going to justify that they had to have an assault weapons ban if they were going to do it, and we've never been able to get to it, just as we were never able to get the truth out of Eric Holder. He lied to us time and time again with impunity. As a matter of fact, if you believe Eric Holder, there were only about two d documents that would have ended this case. We didn't accept that deal. We held them in contempt. And there are thousands of documents that have been delivered, in thousand more that are gonna be delivered. Centers Listen, Judicial Watch in sen there at least their records, and they found over the past three years up leading up to then, that a total of ninety four Fast and Furious. In other words, the majority of of firearms were covered in Mexico City, twelve Mexican states. One of the weapons recovered eighty two ar rifles, twelve war pistols, and all part of the Fast and Furious program. And reports suggested then that those guns were tied to at least sixty nine killings. You know, we never know the count. There's even weapons who were found in Europe recovered there. There's no question at all that these guns will continue killing for a long time. Uh. And the only justice that the Terry family and the long run will get is to prevent another border patrol agent or somebody else from being a part of this kind of activity. With the cover up that they've had to endure. You know, when they talk about sensitive information. Brian's cousin who hits the foundation, the Brian Cherry Foundation, was in fact a chief secret State Service agent starting the president. He was operating out of San Diego, and he was lied to, openly lied to buy air. Told Or and the President, all right, I'm gonna let you both go. I want you both to know something. Uh. Look, if people want to call the d o J, they have a number. Release the documents too oh to five one four two thousands of people light as always two oh to five one four, two thousand. Can I say this to you and your entire family. You're in our thoughts and prayers. I'm so sorry that you've lived through all of this and continue to live this nightmare to this day, and how the government of our country has let you and your family down in a spectacular way, you know, resulting in the loss of your brother. It is it is inexplicable to me that we find ourselves in this position. And Congressman Issa, I think you need to change your mind and run. Well, we need to pass the subpoena enforcement. Why are you avoiding my question? I I I asked you. I said, I think you need to change your mind and run, and you start You sounded like Hillary Clinton to me, Sean, I am I am not selling my house in Whington for my house in California to stay very engaged. You haven't seen the last night. If anything, leaving Congress is a liberating opportunity. I understand. Listen. I I couldn't put up with that crappy either. I don't blame you, honestly. All right, thank you both. All right, let's go to our busy telephones here. Uh Bob is in New York. Bob, Hi, how are you glad? You called? Sir? Hey? Sean, how are you doing? I'm good sir, how are you. I'm a big fan of yours. I listened to you every day. You want Thank you people I trust on the in the news media. I really appreciate it. There's a few of us out here, thank god, thank god. By thought you talk just like Linda's just in case you didn't know. Okay, what's going on. Hey, I just got back from my son graduated Michigan Law school. Um, and it was a shock. I mean, he's one of only probably ten conservatives in the law school. What they go through on a daily basis, have the professors all day spending time bashing Trump. M hm. You know, you say you're a Trump supporter, you will fail. They threaten you basically with your employment. They won't recommend you for employment. By the way, this is not paranoia. This is real that there are a lot of liberal professors. If you let it be known you're a conservative, you're gonna get You know, you're either gonna fail or get a much lower grade than you deserve. That's that, it's a risk you take. My advice is play the game. My advice is you know the truth, play the game, get your degree, and move on with your life. Because you know what what's the point of failing out? And then you have to, you know, go back and redo the stupid class and play the game later. Anyway, I mean, life is a little bit a threatening that needle. Donald Trump did it New York. He be played with the politicians. What had the graduation, went to the commencement, and at the commencements the first time I ever been to a commencement where it was no pledge, allegiance or national anthem, no military flags whatsoever. And you know, my dad and uncle were in the military. So I went up to the president at a banquet after that and I asked him, I said, I said, why isn't I've never been to any graduation. That was like, I don't understand half of what goes on in schools anymore. But yet, on the other hand, you really need your degree in this world today. You know, it's frustrating. Everybody I know needs a degree. And Hannity tonight nine Eastern on the Fox News channel, we are loaded up Jim Jordan's Mark Meadows and Rhonda Santis that letter to the president. This is pivotal. Also, the New York Times basically unknowingly, unwittingly corroborating everything we have been reporting to you. Well go over all the legal aspects with Joe Degeneva and Greg Jarrett. Also, we have Sarah Carter New Gingrich Nineties turn Tonight, Hannity, Fox News. We'll see you tonight at nine. Back here tomorrow. Thank you for being with us.