When I was five, or even thirty, or even thirty five, If you asked me what was more likely, would you be a rabbi or would you walk on the moon? I would have said walk on the moon because I had no inclination to be a rabbi. I had no desire to be a rabbi, and it just was this path that I started on. I had no concept, probably for the first of the journey that I was on a journey. It's a total surprise. Careers often take surprising turns. Before j schue Back became a rabbi, he sold life insurance and worked as a psychologist, and before all that he was almost a professional actor. Now he's been a rabbi in Central organ for the past eighteen years, by far his steadiest job. On this edition of On the Job, brought to you by Express Employment Professionals, we'll hear his story of finding meaningful work in the last place he would have thought to look. I'm your host, Steve Mencher. If you want to find your next job, or if you're a company hoping to grow your workforce, Express Employment Professionals is for you. Find more information at express pros dot com. Now among those surprised by j Schupak's decision to become a rabbi, his son, producer Joel Shupac, who brings us this story. It's Friday afternoon, just before sunset, and I'm running down a quiet street in Bend, Oregon with Jay, my father. Why are we running? We're running, We're not interviewing seventy have to count my steps. This is new. He's always been a serious walker. He walks every day for at least an hour. But now running, that's good. Earlier in his office, I did notice a small sign on his desk that my mom must have painted. She's an artist. It read Jay can run. Why Why did I make you that sign? Because I asked her. I wanted an affirmation that says Jay can run because I was always told I couldn't run when I was little. When my dad was a kid, he had asthma that was so severe he really couldn't run. On the other hand, if you tell J. Shoepack there's something he can't do, there's a good chance will make a special effort to prove you wrong, even if it takes fifty years. It doesn't say how far. On the side steps at least After the short run, we're back to walking off of the neighborhood streets and into a park, although it's less of a park and more of a sliver of undeveloped land full of juniper trees, sage brush, and craggy volcanic rock outcroppings. Is this always where you write your sermons when you're walking? Um? Ever since I got a smartphone? Yeah, if I wasn't there walking with him, my dad would certainly be talking to himself. It's a trade I've picked up too. He uses this time alone to compose his thoughts, speaking them into his phone. When he comes up with something good, I just hit record and there it is, and it automatically saves it into a file. He shows me an example of the sermon he's working on, and God says, come, I will take your hand, and we won't go together to see. So this is kindness taking my hand. Right. But long before Rabbi j was talking to himself in a tiny stretch of wilderness, he was a boy, a boy who was told he couldn't run. I was born in Berwick, Pennsylvania, and we lived on a nice little street, very middle class. Berwick is a small town on the Susquehanna River. A few years after he was born, they moved up to Kingston, Pennsylvania, about thirty miles upriver. His father, my grandfather, Charlie, had his own business. He was good with numbers, and he was good with people, and he was persistent, and he worked hard and and he made a living. He didn't make a great living, but he made a living. And that work ethic really made an impression on my dad. It was a particularly entrepreneurial work ethoic that you that you created something out of nothing, that you saw an opportunity, or you risked your time and your money to multiply both. I mean that's the idea. When Jay was quite young, he took that spirit and started selling TV guides throughout the neighborhood. He could buy them in bulk for thirteen cents apiece and sell them for a quarter. Was that your first job. It wasn't a job, it was a business. I mean, that's the difference, you see. Because I was responsible for ordering them, and I was responsible for they would deliver them once a week to my house, and I had to count them and make sure if I ordered twenty seven, I got twenty seven and let's say two of the covers were ripped. I had to get credit and then I would deliver them, and then I'd have to collect at the end of the month. I had to keep records. I had to keep track. I hadn't. I had to understand, you know, the profit and laws. Now these are very small numbers. You understand a TV guy was a quarter. But it's the same exact idea. You just add a few zeros and you got a real business. You know. So, how old were you when you were doing that? I think I was eight. Later he mowed lawns, old flowers. I worked at restaurants. I was scrubbing pots and dishes, and you know, I did bus boying where I would clear the tables and scrape all the food they didn't eat. I worked in a shoe store for a while. Um, and then I ran the bowling alley at the j c C for a while. These were all just summer jobs that he did up through high school, a way to make some spending money, but nothing he was ever very excited about. But then in his senior year he tried something new. He went out for the school play Fiddler on the Roof. You know, I almost didn't go into that play because they were going to do tryouts or something. I couldn't. I didn't know where they were, you know, they were, they were like downstairs. All the other doors were locked except one door was opened in the whole high school. And I almost went home, and I wouldn't have been in the play, but I just like went. I tried one more door and it was open, and I walked in and I heard voices, and there they were, and you know, he found the audition and got himself apart very little. Nowadays, my dad has a saying, the most securely locked door is the one you don't even try to open. Good advice. I couldn't have a big part. I didn't want more than a few lines because I didn't have time to learn it and I wouldn't be able to reheard. He was on the gymnastics team and their practice was at the same time as the play rehearsal. So I had the smallest part, which is the Rabbi. That's right, the Rabbi. He only had a handful of lines, all of them comic relief. In the opening scene, someone asked the Rabbi if there's a proper blessing for the Czar, the ruler of Russia, who was certainly no friend of the Jews. The rabbi says, of course, make God bless and keep the tzar far far away from us. The rabbi role is a very minor role, so that could go like from the gym, and I could run down the hall and you know, jump on stage and do my little thing and then run back to the gym. I mean when you when you talk about father on the roof when I was a kid, you talked about it like you were you were like, you stole the show. I think it's a strong statement to say I stole the show because there was some wonderful actors, but I was special. I had a special presence. Um. You know how in everyone comes out for the for the final bow, and everybody comes on to stage and and there was a very very significant rise in the level of applause when I came out. You know, that was that's for sure. And then when people wanted my autograph, that was a big deal because I was like, what are you kidding? Autograph? What I'm I'm Frank Sinatra. All of a sudden, you know what is that? He thought that theater could really be something to pursue. Well, I really like theater. I mean it was it was great. I could learn lines really well. It wasn't a problem for me. I'm good with my voice, you know. So I after we graduated from high school, he saw an opportunity and he took it. There was a traveling Shakespearean company that they would once a year, they'd come through. They'd go through all the little towns and they'd look for talent. They came to Wikesparian and they had to try out at the y m c A. And I went there and I tried out. I sang something for them, and I did a little monologue thing, and they said, great, you know you're in. We'd like you to come back to New York. But his acting ambitions were about to collide with one of the biggest natural disasters of the time. And then I drove home and it might have been nine o'clock at night, and my tires got wet on the Pure Street bridge. His tires got wet because the Susquehanna River had risen to the height of the bridge. It was Hurricane Agnes, which was flooding much of the East coast. That night, the river continued to rise, and the next morning Pinky shim Will came over and knocked on our door very loudly to wake us up and to tell us that we had to evacuate, that we were being evacuated. And then we went to Hazelton, which is where my parents are from, and we had a place to stay there, and we lived in Hazelton for three months until we could go back home. Yeah, the destruction of his town was severe. We had twenty one of water on my street and and there was someone else's if was on our front yard when we came home, and our garage had floated and turned around so that we're used to drive into it was now you know, a wall you could I mean, it was uninhabitable and we had to clean everything out, wet carpet with six inches of mud on it. Everything was ruined. It was a biblical end to his acting career. Instead of moving to New York and joining the Shakespeare Troupe, he stayed home with his family and helped them rebuild their lives. He never got back into theater. This was also a time he grew further away from the religion. He grew up with. You know, I was raised very Orthodox, and then I really went very far away from it. You know, I didn't really want much to do with it. I didn't go to services for a long, long, long time. Despite that, he did have a strong connection to Israel and lived there in his early twenties. Then he met my mom in California. They got married and moved to Israel together, where my dad worked as a psychologist and I did. I was licensed there as a psychologist, but then it didn't it just wasn't that fulfilling and it didn't pay very well. I made like three a month. Then we came back to America. I didn't really have a path. I didn't really I want to be a you know, fill in the blank. I didn't want to be as something. I never really wanted to be as something. Then what what motivated you? What do you mean what drove you? If you didn't have some passion to be something, then what was motivating you? Um? So my motivation was money, I guess. In other words, I had to pay for things had I had a wife and a kid and we had basically no money. So I had to find a job. So I I joined this thing called Haldane, and they taught you how to find a job, how to network that you write letters, you tell people. I understand you don't have anything for me, but I'd like to come in and show you what I'm trying to do, and maybe you'll know someone who might or maybe you could prefer me. It was this whole referral network thing, and I borrowed money to do it. That was like three thousand dollars in two That was a lot of money for us. And one thing led to one thing led to one thing, and I got into the insurance business at Northwestern Mutual. All these insurance agencies will hire anybody because if you work out with them, then they make money from you. And if you don't make commissions, you're gonna quit and they don't care. They it's a mill. The guys are gone within a year and a half. Anyways, I made a living selling life insurance for a while. It was hard, you know, it's prospecting and calling people making appointments. Nobody wants to see about life insurance. So I shifted my focus from death benefit to life benefit. In other words, that's why I shifted into pension planning. I started to do pension plans because you were not talking about they didn't have to die to get the benefit. They could live and get their benefit. How much better is that? It would still be over a decade before he would find his true calling. In a moment, you'll hear about one night that sent him on a very different path and what his life sounds like today. After the break, you're listening to independent producer Joel Shupac and his father, Rabbi J. Shupac. On the Job is brought to you by Express Employment Professionals. 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Yum Kipoor is one of the most important Jewish holidays. If you're Jewish and not religious, but want to do something, you'll probably go to services on Yom Kipor. Some synagogues even have these removable walls that they open just so they can fit all the people that only come once a year. And Ela is the name of the service that concludes Yum Kipor after a full day of fasting and prayer. It's the final hour of the holiest day on the Jewish calendar. I went from the Eli went for the last hour of film Keyport, the most holy hour of the year, the most powerful hour of the year, and I had a very strong experience. I really felt a connection to God. I felt communicated with In other words, a lot of times you pray, or at least in the tradition, you pray, which means you're sort of talking to God, and that's a one way conversation. That's that's a monologue. And you don't know if you've heard. You don't know what it means, you don't know if there's any connection. You don't know anything. But on that day I felt that I I asked and I got an answer, and I said, you know, God, this is what I need in my life, and I felt I got an answer. Pretty Soon, our whole family was going to services every week, and pretty soon the rabbi there was asking you to take part in the service. After all, he knew how to read Hebrew and had a great singing voice. Even though it had been ten years since he'd been to a service, he still remembered all the songs and prayers. Eventually he became what's called a cantor, someone who leads the prayer and song. Meanwhile, he continued to sell life insurance, then got into some other business ventures. Many years passed and one day he was asked to lead a service at a Jewish retirement home and I let it. And then I did another one and another one, and I realized, oh that this is what I want to do. I really like to do this. I don't want to be a cantor so much, which is just someone who sings. Turned to page sixty four. The cantor will now sing law. You know, I didn't want to do that. I wanted to I like being the rabbit. I decided what was in the service, what wasn't in the service, the pace of the service, the jokes, the whole thing, the style, and I wanted to do that. And before then it was just whatever was convenient, whatever worked, whatever I can make a buck at. It didn't matter to me. I'd sell flowers, I'd sell shoes, I'd cleaned pots and pans, i would sell life insurance. I didn't have any passion about any of it, really. But then the rabbi thing was different because it was like, oh, this is what I want to do, this is who I want to be. Because of all of the Jewish education of his childhood, he was able to get into this sort of fast track rabbinical program, and in a few years he was ordained. He started looking for a small town that needed a rabbi, and one of those places was Bend, Oregon. When your dad first showed up the first time, when he interviewed with us, This is Alice Husky. She was part of the synagogue and bend Ah. He and your mom came up and they had a thing that they did at the Sunday school, and so your mom and dad were in my classroom doing a puppet show. It's true. My mom is known to do puppet shows. And I was like, who are these people with puppets? And then I realized, Oh my god, people are fun. This is not the normal rabbi kind of guy you're expecting. I've been Jewish my whole life. When I became about Mitz for the rabbi was this lofty person who you went into his office and you sat across the big desk, and yeah, there was not a whole lot of warmth and connection. Rabbi j he is. He is really truly a good leader in that respect that he's He's a person and a rabbi. I have many rabbis that I loved, but Jay's my rabbi. He took that job eighteen years ago and has been there ever since. What I really like to do is to engage people in song and in prayer and and and a little talk and to and to give people an experience that if I'm really lucky they get to experience what I experienced when I was twenty eight on young poor. And I'm not even sure if the people that come even of any idea that's what they're supposed to get. Some people go just because their father went, or their mother winter, because their friend is there or something else. But I go because I want to create the environment, create the space for people to get what I got so many years ago. And sometimes I succeed at it and sometimes I don't. What Jay has definitely succeeded at is creating a welcoming synagogue without any of the things that drove him away from religion, which repeat flat on the floor from the reach and allow yourself to feel safe. I had memories of that. The rabbis were all about restriction. They were all about boundaries, narrowness, all that stuff that I didn't like. And some things this week we gots on and some things we didn't get time, and we forgive ourselves for what we didn't get done. I mean, we had a service yesterday and we sang songs and we read from Torah and we had a lot of joy. Yeah, and it didn't matter how anybody was dressed Um, they were non Jews too. I mean there's Christians that prey with us. There's non Jews. There's people that aren't sure what they are. They're kind of becoming Jews, they're not sure, they're you know, very interesting people. We have a wonderful cross section. Um, it's joyful, it's humble, it's as they say in Yiddish, it's hamish, it's warm, it's modest, it's not demanding. It's all the things that were not there when I was a boy. And in a certain way, it all connects back to the first time he tried on the role of being a rabbi on stage, and it's high school musical. I see the rabbi work as theater. It's a one man show. There's blocking, there's stagecraft, there's props, and there's a script. I mean the script is the seedor the script is the prayer book, creating the theater of communicating with God. And there's a lot of rigamar role. I mean we we we take the tour out, we make a pronouncement and we do a march with the Torah, and there's a certain rhythm and a style about it. And the same thing with when you read from the chart has a certain melody. So so actually it's not just theater, it's actually musical theater. It's it's a musical every time. Did you know that my dad, after high school was going to be an actor. This is Alice Husky Again. That probably doesn't surprise you at all, not at all. Most most rabbis and teachers are frustrated performers. They have a captive audience who have to put up with whatever they do. So I'm pretty sure that's part for the course. Yeah, and he could be a terrific actor. I think he did play in Fit around the Roof at some point. You know what his part was, the rabbi? It was it was typecasting or foreshadowing of things to come, I believe. Yeah. So, after all the years and different jobs and businesses, in a certain way, my dad did end up on stage with the only role he'd ever had. But instead of playing the rabbi, he lives it. I've watched people grow up, I've watched people grow old. I've I've buried people's parents, I've aremits for their sons. So there's a lot of deep connection and we get to share and we get to enjoy each other's lives, or you know, we get to cheer and laugh about our successes, and we get to cry and and console each other about our losses and our sadness. So it's very rich. It's a very rich life. Walking is the single best thing you can do for yourself. Three miles four miles a day cuts your mortality in half. Here what turned right? And we're back to where we started walking in the park behind my parents house. And then I read another thing where if you take fifty a fiber a day that cuts mortality. I think it sounds like you're going to live forever if you do well, that's what I'm saying. You're stuck with me for a long time. The place where my dad spends over an hour a day on a meand ring paths that always leads him home. This is where I always say a blessing. Right here, Look at it, Isn't it gorgeous? See that bird just landing there in the tree And the sun's going down. The sun's down already, but there's light in the western sky, and the trees are just you can't even tell they're green anymore, all the colors out of him. It's just so beautiful and I always say a blessing here a show of selling a niflat the one who makes for us wonders. And then I opened my arms wide. I just embraced the whole thing. I just love it so much. I'm so blessed. You've been listening to independent producer Joel Schupack presenting Mozeltov stories from a late in life rabbi. And that's all for this edition of On the Job from Express Employment Professionals. 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When I was five, or even thirty, or even thirty five, If you asked me what was more likely, would you be a rabbi or would you walk on the moon? I would have said walk on the moon because I had no inclination to be a rabbi. I had no desire to be a rabbi, and it just was this path that I started on. I had no concept, probably for the first of the journey that I was on a journey. It's a total surprise. Careers often take surprising turns. Before j schue Back became a rabbi, he sold life insurance and worked as a psychologist, and before all that he was almost a professional actor. Now he's been a rabbi in Central organ for the past eighteen years, by far his steadiest job. On this edition of On the Job, brought to you by Express Employment Professionals, we'll hear his story of finding meaningful work in the last place he would have thought to look. I'm your host, Steve Mencher. If you want to find your next job, or if you're a company hoping to grow your workforce, Express Employment Professionals is for you. Find more information at express pros dot com. Now among those surprised by j Schupak's decision to become a rabbi, his son, producer Joel Shupac, who brings us this story. It's Friday afternoon, just before sunset, and I'm running down a quiet street in Bend, Oregon with Jay, my father. Why are we running? We're running, We're not interviewing seventy have to count my steps. This is new. He's always been a serious walker. He walks every day for at least an hour. But now running, that's good. Earlier in his office, I did notice a small sign on his desk that my mom must have painted. She's an artist. It read Jay can run. Why Why did I make you that sign? Because I asked her. I wanted an affirmation that says Jay can run because I was always told I couldn't run when I was little. When my dad was a kid, he had asthma that was so severe he really couldn't run. On the other hand, if you tell J. Shoepack there's something he can't do, there's a good chance will make a special effort to prove you wrong, even if it takes fifty years. It doesn't say how far. On the side steps at least After the short run, we're back to walking off of the neighborhood streets and into a park, although it's less of a park and more of a sliver of undeveloped land full of juniper trees, sage brush, and craggy volcanic rock outcroppings. Is this always where you write your sermons when you're walking? Um? Ever since I got a smartphone? Yeah, if I wasn't there walking with him, my dad would certainly be talking to himself. It's a trade I've picked up too. He uses this time alone to compose his thoughts, speaking them into his phone. When he comes up with something good, I just hit record and there it is, and it automatically saves it into a file. He shows me an example of the sermon he's working on, and God says, come, I will take your hand, and we won't go together to see. So this is kindness taking my hand. Right. But long before Rabbi j was talking to himself in a tiny stretch of wilderness, he was a boy, a boy who was told he couldn't run. I was born in Berwick, Pennsylvania, and we lived on a nice little street, very middle class. Berwick is a small town on the Susquehanna River. A few years after he was born, they moved up to Kingston, Pennsylvania, about thirty miles upriver. His father, my grandfather, Charlie, had his own business. He was good with numbers, and he was good with people, and he was persistent, and he worked hard and and he made a living. He didn't make a great living, but he made a living. And that work ethic really made an impression on my dad. It was a particularly entrepreneurial work ethoic that you that you created something out of nothing, that you saw an opportunity, or you risked your time and your money to multiply both. I mean that's the idea. When Jay was quite young, he took that spirit and started selling TV guides throughout the neighborhood. He could buy them in bulk for thirteen cents apiece and sell them for a quarter. Was that your first job. It wasn't a job, it was a business. I mean, that's the difference, you see. Because I was responsible for ordering them, and I was responsible for they would deliver them once a week to my house, and I had to count them and make sure if I ordered twenty seven, I got twenty seven and let's say two of the covers were ripped. I had to get credit and then I would deliver them, and then I'd have to collect at the end of the month. I had to keep records. I had to keep track. I hadn't. I had to understand, you know, the profit and laws. Now these are very small numbers. You understand a TV guy was a quarter. But it's the same exact idea. You just add a few zeros and you got a real business. You know. So, how old were you when you were doing that? I think I was eight. Later he mowed lawns, old flowers. I worked at restaurants. I was scrubbing pots and dishes, and you know, I did bus boying where I would clear the tables and scrape all the food they didn't eat. I worked in a shoe store for a while. Um, and then I ran the bowling alley at the j c C for a while. These were all just summer jobs that he did up through high school, a way to make some spending money, but nothing he was ever very excited about. But then in his senior year he tried something new. He went out for the school play Fiddler on the Roof. You know, I almost didn't go into that play because they were going to do tryouts or something. I couldn't. I didn't know where they were, you know, they were, they were like downstairs. All the other doors were locked except one door was opened in the whole high school. And I almost went home, and I wouldn't have been in the play, but I just like went. I tried one more door and it was open, and I walked in and I heard voices, and there they were, and you know, he found the audition and got himself apart very little. Nowadays, my dad has a saying, the most securely locked door is the one you don't even try to open. Good advice. I couldn't have a big part. I didn't want more than a few lines because I didn't have time to learn it and I wouldn't be able to reheard. He was on the gymnastics team and their practice was at the same time as the play rehearsal. So I had the smallest part, which is the Rabbi. That's right, the Rabbi. He only had a handful of lines, all of them comic relief. In the opening scene, someone asked the Rabbi if there's a proper blessing for the Czar, the ruler of Russia, who was certainly no friend of the Jews. The rabbi says, of course, make God bless and keep the tzar far far away from us. The rabbi role is a very minor role, so that could go like from the gym, and I could run down the hall and you know, jump on stage and do my little thing and then run back to the gym. I mean when you when you talk about father on the roof when I was a kid, you talked about it like you were you were like, you stole the show. I think it's a strong statement to say I stole the show because there was some wonderful actors, but I was special. I had a special presence. Um. You know how in everyone comes out for the for the final bow, and everybody comes on to stage and and there was a very very significant rise in the level of applause when I came out. You know, that was that's for sure. And then when people wanted my autograph, that was a big deal because I was like, what are you kidding? Autograph? What I'm I'm Frank Sinatra. All of a sudden, you know what is that? He thought that theater could really be something to pursue. Well, I really like theater. I mean it was it was great. I could learn lines really well. It wasn't a problem for me. I'm good with my voice, you know. So I after we graduated from high school, he saw an opportunity and he took it. There was a traveling Shakespearean company that they would once a year, they'd come through. They'd go through all the little towns and they'd look for talent. They came to Wikesparian and they had to try out at the y m c A. And I went there and I tried out. I sang something for them, and I did a little monologue thing, and they said, great, you know you're in. We'd like you to come back to New York. But his acting ambitions were about to collide with one of the biggest natural disasters of the time. And then I drove home and it might have been nine o'clock at night, and my tires got wet on the Pure Street bridge. His tires got wet because the Susquehanna River had risen to the height of the bridge. It was Hurricane Agnes, which was flooding much of the East coast. That night, the river continued to rise, and the next morning Pinky shim Will came over and knocked on our door very loudly to wake us up and to tell us that we had to evacuate, that we were being evacuated. And then we went to Hazelton, which is where my parents are from, and we had a place to stay there, and we lived in Hazelton for three months until we could go back home. Yeah, the destruction of his town was severe. We had twenty one of water on my street and and there was someone else's if was on our front yard when we came home, and our garage had floated and turned around so that we're used to drive into it was now you know, a wall you could I mean, it was uninhabitable and we had to clean everything out, wet carpet with six inches of mud on it. Everything was ruined. It was a biblical end to his acting career. Instead of moving to New York and joining the Shakespeare Troupe, he stayed home with his family and helped them rebuild their lives. He never got back into theater. This was also a time he grew further away from the religion. He grew up with. You know, I was raised very Orthodox, and then I really went very far away from it. You know, I didn't really want much to do with it. I didn't go to services for a long, long, long time. Despite that, he did have a strong connection to Israel and lived there in his early twenties. Then he met my mom in California. They got married and moved to Israel together, where my dad worked as a psychologist and I did. I was licensed there as a psychologist, but then it didn't it just wasn't that fulfilling and it didn't pay very well. I made like three a month. Then we came back to America. I didn't really have a path. I didn't really I want to be a you know, fill in the blank. I didn't want to be as something. I never really wanted to be as something. Then what what motivated you? What do you mean what drove you? If you didn't have some passion to be something, then what was motivating you? Um? So my motivation was money, I guess. In other words, I had to pay for things had I had a wife and a kid and we had basically no money. So I had to find a job. So I I joined this thing called Haldane, and they taught you how to find a job, how to network that you write letters, you tell people. I understand you don't have anything for me, but I'd like to come in and show you what I'm trying to do, and maybe you'll know someone who might or maybe you could prefer me. It was this whole referral network thing, and I borrowed money to do it. That was like three thousand dollars in two That was a lot of money for us. And one thing led to one thing led to one thing, and I got into the insurance business at Northwestern Mutual. All these insurance agencies will hire anybody because if you work out with them, then they make money from you. And if you don't make commissions, you're gonna quit and they don't care. They it's a mill. The guys are gone within a year and a half. Anyways, I made a living selling life insurance for a while. It was hard, you know, it's prospecting and calling people making appointments. Nobody wants to see about life insurance. So I shifted my focus from death benefit to life benefit. In other words, that's why I shifted into pension planning. I started to do pension plans because you were not talking about they didn't have to die to get the benefit. They could live and get their benefit. How much better is that? It would still be over a decade before he would find his true calling. In a moment, you'll hear about one night that sent him on a very different path and what his life sounds like today. After the break, you're listening to independent producer Joel Shupac and his father, Rabbi J. Shupac. On the Job is brought to you by Express Employment Professionals. 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Yum Kipoor is one of the most important Jewish holidays. If you're Jewish and not religious, but want to do something, you'll probably go to services on Yom Kipor. Some synagogues even have these removable walls that they open just so they can fit all the people that only come once a year. And Ela is the name of the service that concludes Yum Kipor after a full day of fasting and prayer. It's the final hour of the holiest day on the Jewish calendar. I went from the Eli went for the last hour of film Keyport, the most holy hour of the year, the most powerful hour of the year, and I had a very strong experience. I really felt a connection to God. I felt communicated with In other words, a lot of times you pray, or at least in the tradition, you pray, which means you're sort of talking to God, and that's a one way conversation. That's that's a monologue. And you don't know if you've heard. You don't know what it means, you don't know if there's any connection. You don't know anything. But on that day I felt that I I asked and I got an answer, and I said, you know, God, this is what I need in my life, and I felt I got an answer. Pretty Soon, our whole family was going to services every week, and pretty soon the rabbi there was asking you to take part in the service. After all, he knew how to read Hebrew and had a great singing voice. Even though it had been ten years since he'd been to a service, he still remembered all the songs and prayers. Eventually he became what's called a cantor, someone who leads the prayer and song. Meanwhile, he continued to sell life insurance, then got into some other business ventures. Many years passed and one day he was asked to lead a service at a Jewish retirement home and I let it. And then I did another one and another one, and I realized, oh that this is what I want to do. I really like to do this. I don't want to be a cantor so much, which is just someone who sings. Turned to page sixty four. The cantor will now sing law. You know, I didn't want to do that. I wanted to I like being the rabbit. I decided what was in the service, what wasn't in the service, the pace of the service, the jokes, the whole thing, the style, and I wanted to do that. And before then it was just whatever was convenient, whatever worked, whatever I can make a buck at. It didn't matter to me. I'd sell flowers, I'd sell shoes, I'd cleaned pots and pans, i would sell life insurance. I didn't have any passion about any of it, really. But then the rabbi thing was different because it was like, oh, this is what I want to do, this is who I want to be. Because of all of the Jewish education of his childhood, he was able to get into this sort of fast track rabbinical program, and in a few years he was ordained. He started looking for a small town that needed a rabbi, and one of those places was Bend, Oregon. When your dad first showed up the first time, when he interviewed with us, This is Alice Husky. She was part of the synagogue and bend Ah. He and your mom came up and they had a thing that they did at the Sunday school, and so your mom and dad were in my classroom doing a puppet show. It's true. My mom is known to do puppet shows. And I was like, who are these people with puppets? And then I realized, Oh my god, people are fun. This is not the normal rabbi kind of guy you're expecting. I've been Jewish my whole life. When I became about Mitz for the rabbi was this lofty person who you went into his office and you sat across the big desk, and yeah, there was not a whole lot of warmth and connection. Rabbi j he is. He is really truly a good leader in that respect that he's He's a person and a rabbi. I have many rabbis that I loved, but Jay's my rabbi. He took that job eighteen years ago and has been there ever since. What I really like to do is to engage people in song and in prayer and and and a little talk and to and to give people an experience that if I'm really lucky they get to experience what I experienced when I was twenty eight on young poor. And I'm not even sure if the people that come even of any idea that's what they're supposed to get. Some people go just because their father went, or their mother winter, because their friend is there or something else. But I go because I want to create the environment, create the space for people to get what I got so many years ago. And sometimes I succeed at it and sometimes I don't. What Jay has definitely succeeded at is creating a welcoming synagogue without any of the things that drove him away from religion, which repeat flat on the floor from the reach and allow yourself to feel safe. I had memories of that. The rabbis were all about restriction. They were all about boundaries, narrowness, all that stuff that I didn't like. And some things this week we gots on and some things we didn't get time, and we forgive ourselves for what we didn't get done. I mean, we had a service yesterday and we sang songs and we read from Torah and we had a lot of joy. Yeah, and it didn't matter how anybody was dressed Um, they were non Jews too. I mean there's Christians that prey with us. There's non Jews. There's people that aren't sure what they are. They're kind of becoming Jews, they're not sure, they're you know, very interesting people. We have a wonderful cross section. Um, it's joyful, it's humble, it's as they say in Yiddish, it's hamish, it's warm, it's modest, it's not demanding. It's all the things that were not there when I was a boy. And in a certain way, it all connects back to the first time he tried on the role of being a rabbi on stage, and it's high school musical. I see the rabbi work as theater. It's a one man show. There's blocking, there's stagecraft, there's props, and there's a script. I mean the script is the seedor the script is the prayer book, creating the theater of communicating with God. And there's a lot of rigamar role. I mean we we we take the tour out, we make a pronouncement and we do a march with the Torah, and there's a certain rhythm and a style about it. And the same thing with when you read from the chart has a certain melody. So so actually it's not just theater, it's actually musical theater. It's it's a musical every time. Did you know that my dad, after high school was going to be an actor. This is Alice Husky Again. That probably doesn't surprise you at all, not at all. Most most rabbis and teachers are frustrated performers. They have a captive audience who have to put up with whatever they do. So I'm pretty sure that's part for the course. Yeah, and he could be a terrific actor. I think he did play in Fit around the Roof at some point. You know what his part was, the rabbi? It was it was typecasting or foreshadowing of things to come, I believe. Yeah. So, after all the years and different jobs and businesses, in a certain way, my dad did end up on stage with the only role he'd ever had. But instead of playing the rabbi, he lives it. I've watched people grow up, I've watched people grow old. I've I've buried people's parents, I've aremits for their sons. So there's a lot of deep connection and we get to share and we get to enjoy each other's lives, or you know, we get to cheer and laugh about our successes, and we get to cry and and console each other about our losses and our sadness. So it's very rich. It's a very rich life. Walking is the single best thing you can do for yourself. Three miles four miles a day cuts your mortality in half. Here what turned right? And we're back to where we started walking in the park behind my parents house. And then I read another thing where if you take fifty a fiber a day that cuts mortality. I think it sounds like you're going to live forever if you do well, that's what I'm saying. You're stuck with me for a long time. The place where my dad spends over an hour a day on a meand ring paths that always leads him home. This is where I always say a blessing. Right here, Look at it, Isn't it gorgeous? See that bird just landing there in the tree And the sun's going down. The sun's down already, but there's light in the western sky, and the trees are just you can't even tell they're green anymore, all the colors out of him. It's just so beautiful and I always say a blessing here a show of selling a niflat the one who makes for us wonders. And then I opened my arms wide. I just embraced the whole thing. I just love it so much. I'm so blessed. You've been listening to independent producer Joel Schupack presenting Mozeltov stories from a late in life rabbi. And that's all for this edition of On the Job from Express Employment Professionals. 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