Cohen takes a plea deal on accusations unrelated to Trump; Special guest Jerome Corsi
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All right, gladuate with us. Wow, what a newsday. What there is so so very much to get to, so little, so little time, And we're gonna get it all in, I promise. So. I had Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi on Hannity last night, and I didn't have enough time with either of them. And we had Roger on yesterday. We ended up keeping him for the hour. We have Jerome Corsi book for a half hour coming up one hour from right now. And what we are witnessing and watching unfold should put real and I'm listen, this is not hyperbole in any way. It should put real fear in the hearts of law abiding Americans. And I want you to understand where I'm coming from on this, you know, because I've been saying this is the biggest abuse of power, this is the biggest corruption scandal and our lifetime, and it is. And I've been saying there's no equal justice under the law, and there's not. And I've been saying there's no equal application of our laws, and there's not. And I'm going to go through this systematically and somewhat, you know, with probably more details than you want or need. Some of it might be a little repetitive and things that you have gotten to know because we have covered the double standard a lot, because it's been so important and so necessary, and I just think, you know, let's start with the Michael Khone news just just for one today. And you know, Michael Khone goes to court and he played guilty to lying to Congress about the Moscow project. Do you know this moster of Trump Moscow project had been exhaustively discussed, exhaustively talked about nobody. This is what Donald Trump does well did and this is what he did for a living. He built buildings, He sold his name rights on buildings based on certain conditions and profits and investments. I don't know, you know this. This is what built Trump into who he is today. This is what his business is. Anyways. A nine page following lays out a litany of lies that Michael Cohen admitted that he told Congressional lawmakers about the Moscow project. It's sad to me on one personal level. I know Michael, he's got a wonderful family. I can't imagine the pressure this guy is under. I'm not sure who's advising him in any way, shape matter of format. It doesn't look good to me. And I will tell you the most amazing thing is and this is what we're going to get into a corsi. And you can see this with the flint case, and you can see, you know, in the manaphort case, and you're seeing it over and over again. And what really is concerning me is like, if you say this, we're gonna go easy on you. If not, you might die in jail. That's pretty much the Jeromee cores he was offered from the Special Council. Okay, he now again, I have no way to corroborate, but I know he handed over every single thing he had to the Special Council. He'll give us the details later. He handed over his computers, he handed over his notes, He ended he spent forty hours with the Special Counsel. He's seventy two years old. He admits he didn't remember all of the emails from two years ago, and his recollection did not match up to certain emails. But the contents of which are you know, if you believe him, And he says he never met Assange, never met never talked to Asane, never talk to anybody that works at Wiki leaks, and that means whatever again wiki Leaks. To me, this is the beginning to seem like a Pentagon's paper case all over again. And it's going to be fascinating because everything Wiki Leaks published as it relates to these emails with the DNC and Podesta said, well, all this was printed by the New York Times and other news outlets all over the place. So in other words, the question is going to be, well, if if it wasn't Wiki Leaks doing the hacking, just like in the Pentagon paper case, that means they got information. Maybe if it was stolen like in the Pentagon papers case. And about a six three decision, Yeah, the New York Times has found that they have every right to print it. So let's just we'll make an assumption here that, Okay, Wiki leaks got it from a source. Now, when I interviewed a sane, I asked, was it Russia? Was it anybody associated with Russia? No? Okay, let's that's for the sake of assumptions here. So if Coorsi's telling the truth and Stone is telling the truth, I have no reason at all to doubt them. I don't know. I assume by now that if there was any contact, that absolutely they would have figured it out in the Special Counsel's office. So you know, they can't say something like that that's not true, because that's simply it's easily provable. And so assuming that's all true, and they're this big DNC email, dumb comes out, ends up. Debbie Wasserman Schultz gets fired all the revelations in there without rehashing them all, and then you know everyone was respectable. What else did they got? They got that? What else did they get? Nobody knew but the one, the one sticking point, It was Honor. Around July twenty fifth, this is one from Roger Stone, an email to Corsi, and the subject line is get to the founder of Organization one. All right, Organization one we now know to be wiki leaks, and then the body of the message the email said, get to the founder of Organism Asian one WikiLeaks at the Ecuadorian embassy in London, and get get the pending organization one emails. They deal with the foundation allegedly. Now here's what's fascinating about that. I read that to mean the Clinton Foundation, and I don't remember. I don't even remember. I didn't even read you can't. No one has the time to go through all those stuff. I guess they're talking about the Clinton Foundation, and I don't even think that's what it was about. This John Podesta's emails at that point, whether you had any input into that is neither here nor there. Now, the Pentagon papers case is fascinating because here you have stolen materials dealing with military issues and published the New York Times Washington Post to go to court. They want to publish it. They didn't steal it. It was a source that gave it to them within the government, and the court was very clear they have a right to publish it. So for the sake of assumption, let's say somebody I don't know, Listen, Hillary's email server could have been hacked by anybody. We believe the first draft of komy Instruct's exoneration they were writing in early May before they actually interviewed Hillary in sixteen other people. They talked about five or six foreign intelligence services having hacked into her email in that mom and pop shop bathroom closet, and yeah, there was classified in top secret information there and all of that is a felony in a violation of the Espionage Act. You know, we've identified about eighteen crimes she probably could have been charged with but the fix was in and the guy that interviewed her, Peter Struck. You know, he's the guy that thought, well, she should win one hundred million to zero, that Trump shouldn't get a single vote. So they write the exoneration in early May. They don't interview until July. Three days later. The exonerat her, even though Komy gives a thirteen minute diatribe of about how everything that she did is wrong, except just changes the words from you know, extreme carelessness, you know, versus whatever recklessnessregard whatever it happened to be, and she gets off scott free. Now I can literally read verse in chapter. I don't know where in my papers I put this. I'm really frustrated with myself. I got so much information here, but all the people if you can print out what Ethan sent to me earlier, James and didn't bring that in, Oh you have it? Oh you're such a all right, Oh let's look at this. What about all the top Clinton aids that lied to Congress, Because that's with Michael kne you know, Cheryl Mills, Uma Aberdeen faced legal consequences misleading statements. Let me play James, come Listen to this tape we've got. This is gold. This is James Comey admitting, well, good people lie. I lie. And Andrew McCabe lied. But it doesn't mean he's not a good person. I think of it through the text. The only person that I know at all, you have Loretta Lynch, You have James Komy. Loretta Lynch implied. Comy lied about being cornered over calling the Clinton investigation a matter. There are a couple of issues involving Lynch and lying. A federal judge was shocked. Clinton aid got immunity by the DOJ. She apparently accused the line McCabe did lie. Then you've got a list of other people you know, Eric Calder, Lois Lerner, James Clapper, Brennan, all of them. Clapper committed perjury. The only person that ever gets in trouble is oh, Michael kne Listen, he admitted it. That's whatever. What about all these other people that lied? Listen to Coomy. You see, if you're in the club, you're in the swamp, you're in the sewer, and you tell lies, it's okay because you're really just otherwise a good person. The only people that you know just like if you if you'd to at subpoened emails and you decided to delete them, and you decided to use bleach pit. Nobody ever heard of the stupid thing best promotion that bleach bit ever got in their life. And you askedid wash your hard drive with bleach pit, and you will racing any chance of recovering the emails. And you have somebody bust up your devices with hammers and remove sim cards. Then you hand them to the FBI. You know you're going to jail. This is why this is where you should be so worried and concerned today for your country, because we have a dual justice system, one for them and one for the rest of us. And the idea that there's telling Jerome Corsi and he'll tell his own story in his own words. Today you tell us this is what he said to me on TV last night. They were telling him what they wanted him to say and saying will you probably won't even get probation, We will go easy on you. It's like Sammy the Bullgravano nineteen murders. But because he gave up higher ranking people in the mob like John Gotti and testified against him, No jail time, witness Protection program, new house in Arizona. We're going to be able to bribe people for their statements. And that's what's so stunning. Of course, he's saying, I'm not gonna lie for you. I can't. I can't swear before God and lie. I thought, that's what we want our justice system. But maybe he's not one of the good quote liars like Jim Comey and Andrew McCabe. Listen to this. Do you think the future of the FBI is transparency. I think it has to be a huge part of the FBI because public confidence in the FBI is its bedrock. We have to show people our work when we can, as often as possible so they have confidence in even if that means your second in command was fired for lying four times. So this is where I think the confusion comes from. Your second in mcan McCabe in command. McCabe was fired for lying multiple times within the FBI. You defended his character on Twitter. That's that's okay. Lying is okay entirely, No, it's definitely not. In fact, the McCabe case illustrates what an organization that's committed to the truth looks like. We investigated hold. I ordered that investigation. We investigate and hold people accountable. Good people lie, I lay out on the book. I think I'm a good person. Where I've lied, I still believe Andrew McCabe is a good person. But the Inspector General found that he lied, and there's severe consequences in the Justice Department for lying, as there should be throughout the government. I didn't see him plead guilty to a felony. And the one guy that the FBI didn't think was lying thirty plus years of service to his country, General Flint, he didn't. He Nobody Stephen Peter Struck and James Comby didn't think he lied. But he was told listen, sign this, admit to it. I know you're broke. You can't afford your lawyers. You got to sell your house. It'll all end here. Oh and if not, we're probably gonna have to investigate your kid. He worked with you. I suspect as a good father. He dove on the sword. This is dangerous, really really dangerous. We're shredding the Constitution before your very eyes. It's happening. We don't have equal justice under the law. We don't have equal application of our laws. If we have a dual justice system, you're seeing it. There are so many reasons to be a grateful nation, and in large part we have our military and our veterans to thank for our liberties and freedom. National Wreaths Across America Day is Saturday, December fifteenth. 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Dot all right, so the big differences Michael Khan said, Well, he said that the Trump branded tower in Moscow negotiations ended in January twenty sixteen, and then he said, but it actually went through June of twenty sixteen, and that he briefed the president on more than three occasions about what if he built it, It's not a crime, you know, if you look at what's happening here Manafort. Okay, they had a plea agreement, they're gonna cooperation deal. That's now gone, and you got Jerome Corsi was going to join us at the top of the next hour. Mark Penn said, really well on a brilliant piece in The Hill today dissecting this whole Muller investigation, a case by case analysis, just how weak Muller's case is, and really what he's saying is is that Mueller's now flailing. Muller is now desperate. Mueller is if it's gonna come down to one meeting at Trump Tower, no information gathered by all people, by all accounts of every person in the room, every single person, what did he really know about that? And by the way, if you tell us we're going to give you a sweet deal. Otherwise we're gonna let you die in rotten prison. You're seventy two years old, but you won't look at these last minute this overreach and this perjury traps Flynn. Now it's you know, they're literally feeding Corsie what they want them to say, and he's saying no, they're feeding Manaport what they want them to say. It he's saying no, I'm not gonna lie. And you know, just keeps raising, you know, anything that he can mention. The word Russia. They talked about building a Trump building. It was published everywhere in Moscow. What they're trying to do is bludgeon and pressure and the Sammy the Bull Gravano people. You give us what we want. You get off Scott free and get out of jail free card, you get your life back. That's what's going on here. There is a sign of desperation, but it should scare everybody more importantly, now that we made some money for our sponsors, let's go back to making the liberals crazy. The Handman is back on the radio right now, all right, twenty five till the top of the hour, eight hundred nine one. Sean Jerome Corsi at the top of the next hour than we have Haraldo, and you know Haraldo is a lawyer. People forget that. And Jonathan Gillim We're gonna check in today of the latest on the caravan. That's grown and grown, like we told you, and it's a big problem. A lot of stories out today about serious, significant health issues, sadly among those that have made this long journey. And I mean we're talking about tuberculosis in some cases and worse. I mean, it's just I don't even want to go through it because people say, well, you're just picking on people. No, I want them to get the medical care they need. Just the opposite, and I hope may I can see doctors going to help. You don't want people sick, especially you know, people come from such poverty they don't have any help. It's terrible. By the way, the Senate build to protect Mueller goes down to defeat. How many times as the President have to say he's not stopping Muller and the media just wants it. Here's something fascinating. I'm gonna pay very close attention to this. Mainstream media polls have basically said, you know, Trump's approver rating low low, you could never win reelection. Now, remember sixty nine seats lost by Obama and his first mid term sixty seeds by Clinton. Clinton lost eight Senate seats, fifty two House seats, Obama lost six seats, and what was that sixty three House seats and Trump gains two House seats and literally goes to fight to save DeSantis. Rick Scott help, Marsha Blackburn helps Josh Hawley, helps Braun in Indiana. Heidi High camps out, Clare mccaskell's out, Donnelly's out, Nelson's out. That's all in the president, you know, net loss of thirty eight or so House seats. I haven't looked at the final number. Rasmussen had Trump at fifty one percent. A couple of times there's a new Harris survey for the Hill. Well, the president's propooval rating keeps going up now forty eight percent. And I am telling you, in predicting to you, as the media continues this hysteria, as these antics of Muller, there's a there's a frenetic pace now going on with Muller. As that continues, and the President stays focused on keeping the economy strong, protecting our interest by the way, I think he did the right thing and pulled out of this meeting with Putin as he heads I think they're headed to Argentina. I think it was the right thing to do based on his actions with Ukraine and the ships and sailors that were that they claimed were in their territorial waters. I don't believe it for a minute, but that's what there's claiming. And then the President also did something else nobody will talk about in the media, and life expectancy, by the way, is now down for the third year in a row. Oh, I thought Obamacare was going to make our lives so much better. Anyway, the Trump administration outlined ways that states can now avoid Obamacare's restrictions, freeing them now to spend federal dollars outside of the laws exchanges, and extend cheaper options that don't comply with the stringent coverage mandates. These are waiver concepts states that devote subsidies to cheaper plans that President Trump promoted as off ramp from the Affordable Care Act exchanges. Why because so many millions lost their doctors lost their lost their plans. Many only have one option. And I still believe that doctor Josh umber Atlas MD has the answer health saving his accounts with the answer. All right, so back to the issue we're watching, and Jerome Corsi will join us. We had Roger Stone on yesterday. What you what you're seeing here as a phenomenon, you know, the cooperation deal with Muller and Manafort collapse and apparently Mantaport's not willing to say something that he doesn't believe to be true. And that's what Corsi was telling me. And we'll give him more time to expound on this today. You know, that's what he's saying. They were basically feeding him the inmate tell us this and like you probably won't even get probation and may not even get probation, may have just walk away. And Okay, at seventy two years he didn't remember every email he had By his own admission, he said, I didn't lie. I just didn't remember. And he's saying that he never had any contact with the Sane Wiki leaks, any of their agents, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Okay, needed it Stone, According to what he's saying, I have no reason to doubt them. So what's the crime that you didn't that there're seventy two and you didn't remember an email from two years ago, and they're beating the snot out of you just to get you to say what they want. You don't see this as flawiling around desperation, you know, perjury trap after perjury trap after perjury trap. You know what the lesson here is for everybody, sadly, coming from a family of law enforcement. My mom a prison guard, my dad, family corp probation, so many of extended family members, police officers, couple in the FBI. They were deity in my family. Deity. They were the top of the top. Is that I guess you can never cooperate or maybe? And I said this sarcastic once, and the media hanned he's telling people to lie. I said, no if because they was talked that Muller was taking everybody's computer. So let's do what Hillary did just to lead him, acid, washwood, bleachpit, and bust up your devices. Of course, I'd never give that advice, I said at the time. It's not gonna work out well for you. Worked out well for Hillary, all right, So Kohn says, okay, well, I thought the Trump branded tower in Russia of Moscow, which had been reported widely in twenty January twenty sixteen. It didn't ended in June of twenty sixteen. Okay, And so he's admitting that he lied before Congress. Trump has repeatedly said I didn't do business dealings in Russia. For the record, he said, tweeting in July of twenty sixteen, I have zero investments in Russia. No one said that he if he did, we would know about it by now telling reporters in January twenty seventeen they had no deals there because he had stayed away. That's not even contradicted by what Michael cohna is saying now, you know. I mean, if it comes down to it, they all right, Michael Wire, you're telling the truth then, or you're telling the truth now. I don't look, I don't want to pick on Michael Cohn. I listen. I just I feel bad for him and I know his family, and it's just horrible. And you get down to the bottom of this, anyone that is in the Trump orbit seems to be bludgeoned and what. Okay, So he's he's telling prosecutors that the president knew about Donald Junior's meeting where they learned nothing. And here's where the big rub is. It's like with sexual harassment, sexual assault allegations. You know, if it's a Republican by the name of Brett Cavanaugh, I believe, I believe every center. I believe. I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe. But a guy that and that's not thirty six years ago old allegations from high school or your first year in college. When Keith Ellison is being accused of emotional and physical abuse from the very same year, and there's evidence to back it up, they never talk about it. I thought they cared about the issue. Why didn't they believe Ellison's girlfriend. Why weren't they as outspoken Because it's not the issue, it's politics, or the same could be said about Avonati. Couldn't get enough of Avonati's accusations. You know, in the client and the Affidavid that he filed about Julie Sweatnick and he gets accused of it and I don't even peep out of any of the same people that loved him from bringing him forward the information of against Kavanaugh or the love of the Clintons. Paula Jones, Jennifer Flowers. You know, Kathleen Willie, why need a Brodrick. I didn't hear anybody saying they believe them same people, So it's politics. It's the same here. You know, Clapper lies to Congress. USA Today, CIA director Brennan Congress tells about how Brennan lied before the Senate. The Guardian, Loretta Lynch, New York Post lied to Congress. James Comey lied to Congress. Washington Examiner Loretta Lynch, James Coomey again lied to Congresstownhall dot Com, Eric Holder, Investors, Business Daily, I believe lied to Congress. Washington Times, Lois Larner lied to Congress. US Treasury Secretary Jack leew Obama Administray lied to Congress about a key part of the Irani Rainian deal. Washington Post. Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe lied to Congress. Clinton aide Cheryl Mills lied to the DOJ. Washington Examiner Uma Aberdeen lied to DOJ officials, Daily Caller. A lot of lying accusation. So Michael Coon's the only one. The problem with all of this is this whole Russia collusion. Where's the collusion? Mana fort Own Applications, Manaport didn't pay taxes, man had Ukrainian contacts, and he did business like I believe. I read Tony Podesta John's brothers. So what you know, let what's so stunning to me in this is we actually have real crimes, real collusion, and nobody cares. Hillary Clinton and her private server in a mom and pop shop bathroom closet. Full investigation taken out of the field, offices of the rank and file, the good guys that work hard every day in the FBI given taken over by Komey and his buddy Struck and Page and everybody else. They're writing an exoneration letter in May that actually says gross negligence, which gets turned into extremely extreme carelessness. And then they write the exon ration early May. Interview her fourth of July weekend, July fifth, she's exonerated. Then they begin right there, well, let's go after Trump Rod and it's led by Peter Struck. People forget Peter Struck and Lisa Page. Also, we're working with the pit bull Weissman and mon Mueller's team, and he quietly let them go because he knew there would be a problem at some point. See have Hillary Clinton. You know, I guess she has you know, her own fixer closer if you will, and that would be Christopher Steele. So she pays for the money to go to Perkins Cooee along with the money she's controlling with the DNC goes to Perkins Cooee a law firm legal expense, but then it gets funneled to a research firm Fusion GPS Nelly or works there. Interestingly, then they hired Christopher Steele. Christopher Steele puts together a series of papers that to become known as the dossier. The dossier then becomes the basis of you know, Trump and hookers in Russia urinating on a bed. I mean, how is this not applicable if we're looking she bought Russian lies, those lies were used and leaked purposefully. How many people didn't vote for Trump because he thought there were hookers in his room in Moscow and the ritz and the hookers were peeing in his bed. That was out there. Now they'll ignore uranium one, by the way, that was under Muller's watch. If I recall, we knew putin At agents in the US and they were involved in bribery, extortion, money laundering, and kickbacks. Because they wanted to get a foothold in the uranium industry that the foundational material for nuclear weapons. Guess what, they never stopped it, and it happened, and tons of money got kicked back to the Clinton Foundation. Devin Newness warned in twenty fourteen about the Russians wanting to create chaos in our elections, even way ahead of the curb. So then that phony dossier that she bought with Russian lies, then it gets used not only to lie to the American people before the election, it gets used to get not one but it's used in four FISA applications to get a warrant to spy on a Trump campaign associate, Carter Page. But they never verified the Russian lie she paid for. They never corroborated the Russian lie she paid for, which they should have. They never told the FISA court judges as they should have, that it was a political document. And then later on we find out that the author, Christopher Steele, who has a direct line to Bruce Or and he's sending messages to special counsel of Muller. This is after he had testified he doesn't know if any of this is true. Under the threat of perjury and an interrogatory in Great Britain. How is this not important because it's just like the sexual assault claims, So only if it's a Republican in this case, it's only if it's Trump. I've been warning everybody about Muller. I've been looking at his team. I told you who they are. I describe it often all Democrats. You know, Andrew Weisman loved Sally Yates after what she did that was at Hillary Clinton's victory party at the Javits Center in New York. I've warned you about this team. I've warned you that they have. Now what they've got is, okay, Michael Cohen lied to Congress, not all these other people that lied. Now you got Corsi, who's going to join us in the next hour. They're telling him what they want him to say, and we'll give you a get out of jail free card. Gotta people just tell us what we want. That's how desperate they are. You know, who's going to choose a jail cell rather than say yeah, whatever you want me to say. I mean, you have in this team Struck Paige Comy McCabe, all of these or Bruce and Nellie twenty thirty people total, you know, resigned, demoted, fired, abuse of power, and now you've got Mueller and his team of obviously desperate for neetick deals being made perjury trap set. This is not equal justice under the law. It's not an equal application of our laws. It's like shredding the constitution and selectively just basically doing whatever the hell you want to do as long as you hate the other person. A country doesn't survive with a system like this. Forget republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal. It's not justice, it's not right. This is not going to end well in the sense that if this is allowed to stand, you can kiss equal justice, equal application, goodbye, selective use of constitutional rights. That is what you ought to be afraid of today. All right, Jerome Corsi, when we get back, you'll tell his own story. Listen. You want to protect your home and family the best, the greatest, the latest technology, the best deal ever, simply save home security. Listen. It is by far they have transformed the whole home security industry. There's his wireless, but don't worry. If the power goes down, Wi Fi goes it still works. Everything is just perfect. 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If you want to be a part of the program, it is. It is the biggest, most spectacular double standard ever that a seventy two year old man who by the way voluntarily, you know, hand it over his computer, every note. He had spend forty hours with the special counsel. By the way. You know, this is what I keep saying. You can't get people on the underlying crimes. You see now this frenetic pace of Robert Muller. He's grasping, he's driving, he's pushing, but none of it, you know, this whole desperation thing today with Michael Khone. Oh, I didn't tell the truth before the Senate, but there's still nothing wrong in anything. It doesn't even contradict what Donald Trump had said, just says that Michael Khone's admitting that it lied in testimony. And you see this with you know, imagine this. You're seventy two years old and they, the FEDS and a special counsel, want you to say certain things, and you know, you give them everything that they can ask for in terms of documentation. Who remembers what they wrote in an email two years ago? I don't remember what I texted ten seconds ago. I mean, that's how ridiculous this gets. But if you don't get it right, well then they're gonna say, well, guilty perjury. Look at Michael Flynn. Look at Papadopoulos. Look at what they're now trying to do to Jerome Corsi, who's saying, no, I'm not gonna lie and say that I lied. Yeah, I got a couple of things wrong. I didn't remember them, but that is called the lie. Then you'll then they'll put you in jail. And it looks like they tried to do the same thing the Paul Manifol and Manta Fort. He's not lying either because they basically will tell you the story that they want to tell you. You know, look, I've got to cut let me play this, and then we'll get to Jerome Corsi here in a second. This is Komy saying they lied, but they're good people. Oh okay, it's you know. And then I give go back to the list that I gave you earlier. People that we know, James Clapper lied to Congress. John Brennan lied to Congress or the Senate in that case, Loretta Lynch lied to congress. James Komy lied to congress. Then we have people like Eric Holder, remember that case. Yeah, Eric Holder repeatedly lied to Congress. Lois Learner lied to Congress. Jack lu the former Treasury secretary under Obama, Andrew McCabe lied to investigators in Congress, Cheryl Mills, Clinton aide Uma Aberdeen, nothing happens to any of them. You want Russia collusion, you got it. Bought and paid for Russian lies all to luence the twenty sixteen election, and they don't go near it anyway. Listen to Kobe here. Do you think the future of the FBI is transparency? I think it has to be a huge part of the FBI because public confidence in the FBI is its bedrock. We have to show people our work when we can, as often as possible so they have confidence in even if that means your second in command was fired for lying four times. So this is where I think the confusion comes from your second in mc mca in command. McCabe was fired for lying multiple times within the FBI. You defended his character on Twitter. That's okay. Lying is okay internally, No, it's definitely not. In fact, the McCabe case illustrates what an organization that's committed to the truth looks like. We investigate and hold I ordered that investigation. We investigate and hold people accountable. Good people lie, I lay out on the book. I think I'm a good person where I've lied. I still believe Andrew mccab is a good person. But the Inspector General found that he lied, and there's severe consequences in the Justice Department for lying, as there should be throughout the government. What all the sequences, we haven't seen them yet, except that, oh, he's not in the job any longer. Anyway, Jerome Corsi is with us, and obviously he made a conscious decision that he's that he is not going to sign on to a plea agreement. Um, what I've read, Jerome is that they even said that they wouldn't object to just probation if you would sign on to the quote eylied, you know, scheme that Muller had correct the fact said there may not even be probation. I may just going to have send no jail time, no probation. And now, if you're seventy two years old, and you know by making that decision, the easy decision would have been to say, okay, if you guys promised probation at the most, I'll sign what you want, right, that would have been an easy decision. You go on with the rest of your life, I guess, and maybe have to testify against Roger Stone. Do you know what they were Were they specifically looking for something that wasn't in your emails that they wanted you to tell them where they kind of coaching you what they wanted to hear. Oh. Absolutely. They were saying they wanted a link between Roger me and Asange. And they, the pro spessional prosecutors, were demanding that I tell them who my source who told me about Assange having Podesta's emails, And they would not believe that I figured it out myself, and I was pounded on that hour after hour after hour. Just for the record, you never talked to Julian Osange, You never talked to anybody connected to Wiki leaks, You never met him, You don't know him ever. Correct, All that is correct. I know I've never had anything to do with Julian Osange. I mean, and when you gave him them the same answer again and again and there's no email trail. If if everything and I have no reason to doubt you, is true, then you know how did we get to this point? Were you were you told they were going to indict you. I'll go, yes, they said, next as plead talks with your lawyer were were finished with you, and they lectured me about how you know I can't tell the truth, and I picked this fact and I lie and may I got a whole series of lectures yelled at they you know, they walk out of the room, they do scowls, they start yawning. I mean, the bad behavior went on and on, Sean, and they just would not accept that. I figured it out myself, which is connecting the dots. It's what I do professionally, it's my job. You are not denying that when you handed over all your computers and in the forty plus hours that you were were testifying, Can you who were the specific people that were interviewing you, interrogating you? Whatever praise you would prefer to use, probably this was this inquisition. I mean, this would use the most extreme term. You can't. The three were Genie Ree, Oh Genie right? Wait wait, she's the one that actually was a lawyer for the Clinton Foundation. Correct? Correct? Oh that one? Okay, who else? And she and then Aaron Zelinsky and he was a prosecutor under Rosenstein I believe in Rochester or some city. I'm not sure where, but under Rosenstein he was a US assisted US attorney. And then the third one was Andrew Goldstein, who was a head of the Corruption Division under Prep Bahara in the Southern District of New York, and about between six to nine different FBI agents. So it would be me and my attorney, David Gray, and we'd be facing the three prosecutors and all these FBI agents in a closed in room some building unmarked for the FBI in southeast Washington for hour after hour after hour of grilling. Now, you do admit that in the course of this forty hour period that you didn't remember things, and as a result, they think you're lying. And you were quoted as saying that I was amending my testimony a number of times because you made mistakes. Okay, well that's correct, I did that all the time. Okay, explain, explain how you didn't remember and what charge your memory. Well, first of all, what they do is they will ask you a question and I give them explanation. They said, well, but but what about this email? It contradicts what you said, So why does you show me that first? So I could you know? No, No, we don't want to. We don't want to lead you to You got to remember it. And if you don't remember it, just say you don't remember it, So I said, I don't remember it. Say it's impossible you don't remember this. So it was constantly being sniped undercut because they had something in there. They had this eight inch binder of all my materials, emails, things I've written, who knows what else. They wouldn't show it to me. And then the detail, what did this person say to you on this day? So I'm not a human tape recorder. You can't punch a button. And I'm going to go back and tell you exactly what the person said on a specific day two years ago. And the point is, I guess because and a lot of this comes up. Listen, Jerome, and I'm being very blunt and honest. Here. I can give you Ronald Reagan's success chapter and verse. I can give you Obama's failures chapters and verse. I can talk about everything related Clinton chapter and verse, and George Bush and all things that we've been discussing. If you asked me who I had on my show a week ago, I won't remember. I honestly, who did I text this a week ago? I guess, let me see it. I would not remember. That's not how my brain works to be very blunt. And when you would make these amendments, did they call you a liar? I guess they did. I was a liar. And then when they showed it to me, I said, well, let me this is what I think. Said. Now you're reconstructing, and now you're telling us a story, said doctor Corsey. Were hired of your narratives. Don't make up another. Tell us. How can I tell you what it is without trying to explain it? They said, well, did you just invent that? Or is it an invention? Is it a reconstruction? Is an actual memory? I see you guys got me so confused. I don't even know where I am right now. August twenty first, there was a tweet trust me, it will soon. It will soon, The Podesta's Time in a barrel. Weeks later, email stolen from Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta were put out, if you had nothing to do with any coordination, any conspiracy, any hacking, any I'm not seeing any underlying crime here for you, except that you cooperated as best you could. Did you have the option of saying no, I'm not talking, yes, you could say that. Then they put you in front of the grand jury they ask you the same questions and you have to answer, and now they've got you on transcript and it's much harder to take that back if you do make the mistakes. I knew it was going to making mistakes over and over and over again. And I probably made a mistake to think I was trying to be a good citizen and help these people, so I handed over everything. I just didn't realize that they were out to trap me. They were out to make me feel like I was going to go to prison the rest of my life. And they do this in the first meeting when you said you constructed and what you testified to that you believed you were creating a cover story for Roger because Roger wanted to explain this particular tweet that we're talking about in another tweet. What did you mean by you know that you wanted to create a cover story Because that sounds nefarious. Well it does. And first of all, this is my recollection of what I was doing. It's very ordinary in politics to provide an alternative explanation. I mean, I say I was trained in public relations by Edward Burney's was the father of public relations. So sean to give you an example, British Petroleum, which has been looking for petroleum resources around the world for maybe one hundred years, gets a public relations expert. Now there BP, and they say, that's beyond petroleum. Well, maybe you know, one or two percent of BP's business is solar. I don't know the exact percentage, but BP is no more beyond petroleum than Little Long John Silver is beyond booty. I mean, they're still going after petroleum all over the world. So is that a cover story? Is a lie? Is pretty much what's done normally in politics. And I was repositioning in my mind. I was saying it was Podesta's involvement in Russia which had become an issue. Now what Roger thought, and Roger is a very different view of it. That's Roger's view, and I don't dispute Roger's view. My idea of what I was doing might have been my idea. It might have been wrong. All right, let's hold it right there. We're going to take our time with this because I think this is too important, especially in light of this frenetic, you know, almost like bizarre, strange level of activity. I believe that Robert Muller, now the person I was warning everybody about from the get go. We're now seeing his true colors, and there's an anger that they don't have collusion, and that led in part to I guess they think, well, Michael Cohen was negotiating a Trump Tower deal longer than they said that they had originally said it okay, is any of that illegal? Any of it? And it never materialized, and maybe it went on longer. He wasn't the president, he wasn't even close at that point in time, they were just beginning this Russia witch hunt. There's so many reasons to be a grateful nation, and in large part we have our military and our veterans to thank for our liberties and freedom. National Wreaths Across America Day is Saturday, December fifteenth. 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Here there was this document of Robert Muller's office that you know they wanted to use to sign as part of a plea deal had in there, for example, this particular text Honor about July twenty fifth, twenty sixteen, Person one we know to be Roger emailed you Corsi with the subject line get to Organization one. Obviously Wiki leaks the body of the message read get to the founder of the organization OSANGE at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London and get the pending organization one emails they deal with foundation allegedly now number one. I don't remember anything that ever came out about the Clinton Foundation from Wiki leaks. I might be wrong. I don't remember. Which would tell me that you had no idea what this person might or might not have. That's right. And see I didn't. I had no idea at that point what Assange had. Hadn't thought about it really hard, but I did subsequently, and about flying over to Italy a few days later. I figured it out. But at any rate, that day that memo Roger was saying, asked Ted Malik, who's a good friend of mine. I helped get his memoirs published in an academic brilliant academic, said have him go see Assange, and I passed it on. I saw nothing wrong with it. You could certainly go see Assange without committing a crime under the Pentagon Papers case. By the way I've been, I've interviewed him. I went to the Ecuadorian embassy. I asked him if there was any Russia, you know, influence. He said no. Now, whether or not you know he told the truth, I don't you know. But if you go to the Pentagon Papers case, if he if he wasn't a part of stealing or hacking and it was handed to him. Well, that's like the Pentagon papers handed to the New York Times in Washington Posts and then then publishing it. And the New York Times even published the Wiki League stuff too. This is a short segment. Stay with us. I promise I'll give you a lot of time. I don't don't want to interrupt you. I want you to be able to tell your story and we'll get back to Jerome Corsi. On the other side. Alec Baldwin's favorite radio fuck show host is on the air right now, right, mister Baldwins Sean Hannity, all right, twenty five now till the top of the hour. Toll free telephone numbers eight hundred and nine for one, Sean, you want to be a part of the program. We continue with Jerome Corsi, and of course, the big news this week, in an argument that I am making here, is that it seems in an act of flailing desperation and just bordering on insanity in some ways. You see this flurry of activity with Robert Muller, and we now learned earlier this week that Jerome Corsi was offered a plea deal. He said, I'm not going to sign it. Said, I'm not going to sign it because if I signed what you want me to sign, it's going to be a lie. Now we just heard I played earlier. You know there's James Comey admitting he lied, admitting McCabe lied. But you can still be a good person and tell lies and drew them. You're saying you didn't remember things from two years ago when you went before the special counsel. You know, by the way memory does, it's not as good as it used to be. And I'm only fifty six, so let me be blunt about that. I don't know. You know, most people I know that are older than say, yeah, it really begins to go in some ways. But you made a big choice because you basically were offered to get out of jail free card. Don't's be honest here. You were offered a we'll leave you alone. You signed this agreement, you admit to this, and now you go. I'll use your words. You know you now may spend the rest of your life in jail. Well, Sean, if I have to spend the rest of my life in jail, so be it. If that's where justice in America has come to. But I will not stand in front of a US attorney and swear to God that I knowingly and Wilson wilfully gave false information that I knew to be false to federal authorities to deceive them. Because I know in my heart I did not do that, and I will not swear a lie to God. I just won't do it. That sounds like a principle stand that, you know, I would think that they would want from somebody. What was their reaction when you said you can't sign this deal? They furious, blew up, told my attorney will take it from here. Very Kurt hung up the phone. That's what they did. So you, David Gray, your attorney got the call, but you had already told your attorney you will not take a plea deal on the specific offer that they had made to you. And that was Monday morning. I did that Monday morning, I announced to David and began announcing to the world. I am this is a fraudulent deal I was offered by the Department of Justice. I had to lie to the regulatory industries where I've held insurance, insurance and securities licenses the eighties. I was going to sign. They demanded to be secret that I had guilty before a federal judge. And I couldn't even report that to the role, to the various regulatory agencies which require you to immediately notify them of a change in circumstance which would prevent you from having a license. So it was both I had to lie and I had to commit some kind of a fraud. I won't do that. I won't commit a crime sean to stay out of prison the rest of mine. I can die in prison, but I won't have had my integrity, and before God, who is the only judge who matters in my life, I will have I'll been honest. You know, the case of Lieutenant General Flynn, and I'm I'm listening to you, frankly in amazement because it's a principle stand you're taking and Lieutenant Flynn, and I'm pretty sure I've figured out what happened in his case, and I cast no aspersions upon him, just the opposite. I think he's an American hero. You know, this is the things you get for thirty years of serving your country, for you know, far less money than you would ever get in the private sector. But in his particular case, neither the two FBI agents that interviewed him. None of them thought he was lying. Comey didn't think he was lying. So why did he agree to the one charge that he admitted he'd lied? Number One, he ran out of money, he couldn't afford to pay his lawyers, he had to sell his house. And what I really suspect is, and this is a trick or pressure point that prosecutors often used. Well, and I guess we're just gonna have to. You know, your son work with you and your business. We're just gonna have to. We're gonna be going after him too, just so you know, and my guests, and I'm this is total speculation. Is he said I got it, I'll sign it, and as a father, he'd dove on the sword for his son or somebody else in his family. Does that sound plausible to you, because that's what I believe probably happened. I believe it's exactly what happened, given my experience. Sean and General Flynn's a huge American hero in my book, And they're doing the same to me. They say, you know, your family will be bankrupt, you'll lose your jobs, You'll you'll not have any way to work, you'll be we'll be putting you in prison. Soon you're gonna be guilty, you'll be separated from your wife. You may never see your children or grandchildren as a free man again. I said, if that's what you want to do to me, mister Mueller, come get me, because I'm not swearing to aligne no matter how much it threatened me. Did you ever meet Muller? No, I've never met Muller. Is Andrew Weissman in any of these meetings. Never met Andrew. He's never been in any of these. It's always been the Jeannie Ree arn Zelenski and Andrew Goldstein. Um, let me ask you, and I asked you this on TV last night because I got to know you when you and Jim O'Neill wrote the book that was a number one best seller, Unfit for Command. Um, and I'm reading all these things about you, you know, and I asked you about it last night because and I didn't fully hear your answer. To be very blunt, it's hard sometimes on TV that you didn't believe the moon landings had really happened, or you believe that nine to eleven was an inside job. And I'm asking for a specific reason. I know that you you went into the issue of Barack Obama's birth certificate that that for me was never my issue. Really, I just thought these you know, produced a stupid thing. When we move on, and eventually it happened. But do you really believe those things? We are people lying about you, People are lying about me. I don't believe those things at all, Shanes. I think we landed on the moon. But you've seen it as I have correct, Yes, and in my critics like to demonize me. Was the making up things that I've never believed and I don't avow, and I'll acknowledge that. You know, I pushed the envelope investigative journalists, I'm willing to ask questions. You go against the government explanation of things. Now, why why didn't you claim the First Amendment privilege that you don't give away sources in any regard? Well, Sean, I couldn't have done that. I could have, but I went in honestly to try to help. I didn't see I had done anything wrong. I didn't see anyone had done it, not Roger Stone, certainly not the President. I did, you know. I don't even like Russian saladdressing, so I don't have any to do with Russia. That's probably the only thing I like Russia. Saladdressing all right, let me ask you very bluntly, what did they want you to say? And they want me say that here's my contact with Julian san which I did not have, and this person told me everything doing in a san chad. I told it to Roger Stone so Roger Stone could tell it to Banner or the president. And they were colluded. This was their channel to tell Asange when to drop things, what he had. How did they wanted to create this false narrative that Donald Trump threw Roger Stone through me to Wiki Leaks, was giving instructions as to how to use these stolen DNC emails to harm Hillary Clinton. That's what they wanted me to say. So now, this is after the DNC emails came out just before the Democratic National Convention, correct, correct? All right? And if I recall correctly, there was tons of speculation, well does he have anything else? Does it? You know? Nobody knew. There was like this, this shroud of mystery all over the place, right, That's right. Everybody was asking everybody what does a Sange has? It was a question on everyone's mind at that time. You know, I had found in my interviews with him, he's very careful with every word he says, and it was, you know, and I wanted to know because my feeling was that where if he did get this information wherever he says he get them from, Maybe maybe it's a Russian cutout, and maybe he didn't know. Maybe it was Russia and he just didn't tell me the truth. Maybe it was who knows, It could have been a hundred different things. Maybe it was China. You know, Hillary's emails were we understand were hacked by at least what six foreign intelligence services. You know, I mean, it's insane that she's not in any trouble and that she got an exoneration before even an investigation. So what can you tell us about the joint defense agreement that you had with President Trump's legal team David Gray and j Sakalo and the team and the president's lawyers were entering into an informal was never assigned defense agreement. My understanding what I told David and I never participated in any of these conversations. I didn't hear them because I'm not a lawyer. This was lawyer to a lawyer, and what my instructions were to David were let the President know through Ja Secalo, what's going on with Mueller from our perspective, what we're seeing, what we're being asked, share that with the president. Don't ask for advice. We don't want the president's advice, we don't want any coordination. It's a one way communication, David. David affirms that this is how he did it, where we share information with Jay Secalo and don't expect anything in return. When Roger wrote you about you know, get to organization one, which we now know to be Wiki Leaks and Asange, you never got there. But did you have or know somebody that had contact with Asange that could have given you information that you believed to be accurate. No, I had no person who was an intermediary or go between or contact with Asange that told me what a Sange had. I had no intermediate contact at all, no direct contact, no intermediate content, no contact whatsoever of any kind with Julian Assange. So there's no chance of any conspiracy to get stolen emails from anybody. You never hacked anybody, I assume, was that correct? No? I never did. Okay, so they really don't have any underlying crime for you at all, do they No? And they were furious at me because I broke their chain. I couldn't give them the piece that connected Roger to Assange. And now I'm a bad dog. Now I've lied, and now I'm going to spend the rest of my life in prison. And so be it. So you know we're back to the say it's like the Martha stewartcase. I mean, if you can't get them on the underlying crime, and one fact is misremembered and you didn't remember, you literally are talking about emails from almost two years ago or past two years ago, correct, So you have two year old emails. I don't know how many emails you get today. I got a bunch and text message. I got a bunch of sixty thousand emails? Am I two? When I finally reloaded, I had sixty thousand emails. In that case, when you went in, had you read those emails to refresh your memory? No? I couldn't because I wanted to give them. My laptop was nearly broken in the condition when I stopped using it, and so I was afraid if I reloaded twenty sixteen I would destroy it's by the way, you're the only one that gets away with that is Hillary Clinton, and you get to delete them and then acid wash it with bleach bit and then you get to have somebody bust up your devices and remove SIM cards. And of course in her case, you know, she's free as a bird. I mean, when you see all the things that I don't. I don't know if you watch my TV show much and all the time, almost every day, almost every day, I love your show, well, thank you, But you know we've uncovered a lot of information about her, and she gets an exoneration, violated the Espionage Act, clear obstruction of justice, did far worse, more conscious leave than you did, and nothing happens to her. Then she actually paid for Russian lies to influence the election, and they turned out to be even its own author won't stand by him anymore. And then those lies become the basis of Faiza court fraud so they can spy on a Trump campaign associate. As you see that, you know I've been trying my best to uncover every aspect of this, And you think, well, this is the United States. This is not justice or equal justice under the law, or equal application of our laws. We might as well take the constitution. Hearing this and knowing everything Hillary did, just shred it because it's not being a two tiered justice system. I've been right the whole time, and as we continue, Jerome courses, he has been now our guests for the full hour. I want to give you the last minute we have and give you a chance to do just direct your what you want the American people to know about your experience, what you now have described in detail to us. Experience proved to me that the Muler investigation is run by political hacks that are really criminals. Anybody who's demand to keep me out of prison, I have to swear to a lie I consider a criminal. And the supervision of Muller proves that the Department of Justice is being run right now by political hacks who are criminals. If this is the way it's going to be, I'll go to federal prison for the rest of my life. It'll be that's what I have to do to show the country that we do not have justice in America any longer. We've got political criminal criminals running the Justice Department. Well, I want to just say this, I'm very sorry that you're going through this especially because you didn't do anything and this is how you're being treated. And I hope every American pays very close attention to this. Jerome Corsi, thank you for being with us. You're in our thoughts, are in our prayers. We wish you. God's speeds are Thank you. Sean God bless God Speed eight hundred nine for one Shawn toll free telephone number Jonathan Gillham Raaldo Rivera. Next, stay right here for our final news round up and information overload in the final hour of the Sean Hannity Show. Well, Soan, first of all, I think I've been targeted because I supported Donald Trump for president. I helped defeat Hillary Clinton. But I violated no law regarding the twenty sixteen election or anything else. And the idea that I knew about the source or the content of the wiki least disclosures, whether they were allegedly hacked emails or allegedly stolen emails of John Podesta, is simply false. I had a tipster who told me that after Assange went on CNN in June and Fox in August and said that he had a trove of documents on Hillary Clinton, I had a tipster to tell me that they were devastating a bombshell incredible would end Hillary's campaign, and that they would be published in October. And I provided text messages only last week that proved that that source was Randy Cretico, a New York based progressive radio talk show host, and that his source was not Julian Assange, but a woman attorney who works for Wiki Lakes. So now suddenly the media doesn't want to talk about Randy Cretico anymore. Now suddenly they have a new narrative, which is the idea that I must have received these documents, either Podesta's emails or the DNC emails from Jerry Corsi. That is also false, all right, that was just in the last hour Roger Stone as now the mystery of what is going on. Paul Manafort, Julian Assange, both the Nine The Guardian report that they had met on three separate occasions. Jerome Corsi saying he will not sign something that is not true in some plea deal offered to him, he claims by Robert Muller, in connection with what he knew and what he and Roger Stone were communicating about in the lead up to the twenty sixteen presidential election, and on top of all of that, we just have you know what's going to happen next. The President had put out answers to specific questions, one of them apparently having to do with whether or not the President had any conversation with Roger Stone about the issue of white what might be released by Julian Assans. Roger Stone just telling us moments ago that there was no such conversation, and the President answered, correctly. Anyway here to get to the bottom of this are what are the legal aspects that are in play here? Because when Robert Muller, if he's offering Jerome Corsi, is Corsi claims some type of plea deal, then that's interesting to one count of perjury or lying in even the possibility of only probation. But he's not going to sign something that's not true. Remember back Lieutenant General Flynn said, the FBI agents and James Come himself, Peter Struck amongst them, all did not believe he lied to the FBI, but he was going bankrupt, had to sell his house. I believe the screws would be interned on him, probably pressuring him with some time for threat against his son who he was in business with this happens all too often, and we call it, as my friend Greg Jared, who joins us now calls it testa lying say what they want. You get off with no sentence, You get off with a light sentence. But both mana Fort and Corsi are saying, no, we're not going to play that game. Also with US. Andy McCarthy, Fox News contributor, columnist National Review, former, by the way, Assistant US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Welcome both of you. You know, Andy, we've gone back and forth about this, and you know, it reminds me of like Sammy the Bow Gravano, who you know, he kills what eighteen nineteen people and they make a deal and he doesn't go to jail if he testifies against Godi. How do you trust a guy when you're bribing him with a get out of jail free card in that particular case, maybe more dramatic, but do you see that happening here? Sean. The vital difference between what you just described in terms of Gravano and what we're dealing with here is that Gravano actually pledged guilty to a crime. That is to say, to a scheme to a conspiracy. What a prosecutor does in a real criminal case when the prosecutor has an actual conspiracy that he's investigating, is he brings the cooperator in and the cooperator testify or alocutes it is guilty plea to the existence of the conspiracy. He says, here's the crime that we agree to commit. I was a member of the Gambino family of Cosa Nostra. Here was the boss, here was the under boss. This is the crew I ran. These are the crimes I committed. And that way you have the structure of the criminal enterprise. You've got it all described, you have everybody's role in it. Right here, what we're dealing with is an investigation of no crime, so they don't have What they're doing is they're investigating the scene underbelly of American politics, the kind of stuff that goes on in campaigns. And even if Muller had his dream version of events here, let's say Wiki Leaks was in contact with Jerry Corsey, who was in contact with Stone, who told the president that they had Hillary Clinton or John Podesta's emails. What's the crime, because I don't think anybody knew he was there. This is important because I'm watching all of this and I'm asking myself, what is okay somebody says that they have something that is damning op research that's going to hurt the other party. Now, I think if four hundred thirty five members of Congress one hundred US senators get a phone call and the phone call says, no, we got information that is damaging to your opponent, do you agree with me? Probably all five hundred and thirty five would say what have you got and go and meet such a person. Of course they would, because that's the way politics goes in America. But my point is that they are criminalizing something that is not criminal activity. That's the reason that they have to plead them guilty to false statement counts. I agree with you that Sammy Gravano got a disgraceful sentence, but at least he pled guilty to racketeering. At least he pled guilty to the crime that they were investigating. Here, they're not investigating a crime, so they have to plead everybody guilty to false statements counts. And Sean, if you were a prosecutor building a case that you intend to have a big bang at the end. Do you think the way you go about that is to plead all your important witnesses to lying to the FBI. You want to put people on the stand that the first thing that the jury's going to hear, and the most enduring thing they're going to hear, is that the guy's a lawyer and can't be trusted. Nobody builds a case that way, Greg Jarrett, Well, Jerome, course, he sent me the plea offer that he received from Robert Muller, and count number one false statement. It begins by saying, Jerome, course, he did willfully and knowingly make a materially false, fictitious, fraudulent statement to wit and then it identifies three things. He said. Those three things are different than emails that he have and a half. And the lawyer responded, of course, he's a lawyer. Responded by saying, my client did not have the benefit of reviewing his emails, and once he did that, he amended his statements to your office. And now you're asking him to admit that he lied, when in fact, he simply didn't recall a couple of the emails. He's seventy one years old. Look I'm much younger. If you asked me, who was on my show next week. I honestly don't think I could recall. I don't think I would an example. So I went back because I had some vague recollection that I wrote about Wiki leaks in two thousand and sixteen during the summer, and I researched it. I go back through my emails, I go through my collumn I wrote a column which I don't remember writing. And by the way, and do you know that's true? Right? How does anyone remember what the hell you did in twenty sixteen. I don't even know where I was. We're having on emails and information that I sent out trying to get the same information from Wiki leagues. Now I don't remember sending them. So if I had testified yesterday, i'd be in the same position as Jerome Corsi. I want to and do you want to jump out on that. I just was going to say that, you know, I remember every word of every column, and I expect everyone else to remember every word. That's ridiculous. You do not anyway. But let's go back to this document describing Corsis activities, and I want to just ask if it's a crime. It says honor about July twenty fifth, twenty sixteen, Person one we believe now to be Roger Stone send an email to Corsi with the subject line get to the founder of organization one we believe to be Wiki Leagues, meaning a sunch. The body of the message read get to the founder of the organization Organization one at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London and not really hiding it, and get pending Organization one e els they deal with foundation allegedly, so somebody gave him. It sounds like somebody gave him a tip. Hey, this guy might have information that deals with the Clinton Foundation. That's how I read it, right, Yeah, And if it was a crime, they would have asked Jerry Corsi to plead guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage. They're describing an operation to get somebody's clause on opposition research, which people may think is icky, but is not illegal. And again, Sean, I'll come back to the same thing. The reason that they're pressuring him to plead guilty to a false statement is in order to camouflage what they're doing as if they were investigating actual crime. But what's going on here is they're investigating a non crime. They trip people up, and they get them to falsely explain, or as they put it, inaccurately explain what happened. And what the media then runs out and reports is that Muller is doing an investigation of Trump collusion with Russia and everybody's pleading guilt. Isn't this what we call a classic to that? Isn't this a classic perjury trap? In other words, you know they can't get you on the underlying crime. So what it teaches I guess everybody else's even though you might be inclined as I normally would be. If the FBI wanted my help, I would want to help them. But if I'm risking my own life and a charge of perjury if I don't accurately remember something, I don't. I don't even know what I did on TV last night, and I'm like and Corse's mistake is twofold. First of all, he should not have volunteered to testify. He should have said no when he was asked. And second of all, he should have reviewed his emails before he testified. That's his mistake. But nevertheless, what if he didn't save them? Well, he actually deleted them, but then he was able to gain access, as you often are, through deleted emails that are nevertheless cat But I mean the point is that if Robert Mueller decides to charge Jerome Corsi with making a false statement, he'll never be able to prove it, I predict, because he'd have to show that it was willingly and knowingly made. Well. The defense of Jerome Corsi, as it is for many people, is that I didn't knowingly make a false statement. I didn't remember emails that I said. Isn't it an act of bravery? I mean, pretty much what it seems. Muller's team was offering you plead guilty to one count of lying, and we won't even we won't even oppose the possibility that you just get probation. So Corsie says, I'm not gonna lie. Mantaphor it. He says, I'm not going to tell you what you want to say. That Greg, you coined the term, well, I've heard it before. Test the lie. In other words, they're sitting there across the table from you, basically telling you what they want to hear, and all you have to do to save your own ass is say what they want to hear. And if you do you're going to benefit instead of the rest of your life in jail. Maybe it's going to be, you know, two weeks like Papadopoulos, but both of them to both say no because they can't go along with something that's false. They're both older gentlemen. It seems to me is that that's a pretty principled stand, knowing that this might be the rest of their lives in jail. They're being principled in the special counsel is being unprincipled because he doesn't care about the truth and he's using the tactics of bribery and extortion to try to get somebody to capitulate in coursie. And I think Maniford now are refusing to do so. The quick answer on that, Andy, and we'll take a break to capitulate on what that's the I mean what Greg outlines. Sure, but the thing is, what if they admitted what Mauler wanted, it's still not a crime. What they're doing is they're criminalizing what they do in a political campaign. It's not like, you know, somebody agrees with Muller's version of events. And finally we have the big hacking conspiracy. They don't have I want to ask you about that when we get back. I want to ask you about because the New York Times also published this information, as did other papers other news sources, and there was a case in the past where it became a big deal. I'll explain that when we get back. There are so many reasons to be a grateful nation, and in large part we have our military and our veterans to thank for our liberties and freedom. National Wreaths Across America Day is Saturday, December fifteenth. You can join in the mission to remember our fallen heroes, on of those who currently serve in their families, and teach younger generations the value of freedom. 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If wiki leaks was involved, if if wiki leaks had an understanding with Russian operatives that there would be hacking and wiki leaks would take the hacked information and put it out, then wookie leaks may have a hacking problem. You know, they may be involved in the hacking conspiracy. That doesn't mean that other people who take what they have and run with it have committed a crime. You could, you know, I remember when this came at Sean Marco Rubio I think, came out and said nobody should rely on this stuff, that nobody should you know, publicize it. Because it's it's stolen material and he wanted to be like the last honest man. But the way things work in America, everybody uses this stuff and the media regularizes it by publishing it. I think that's a good point. And on the other side of the guys, don't mind. I want to hold you over a few more minutes and get into historically why I think this is important and what it means for freedom of the press and those that are given information like this eight hundred nine one. Sean will continue more with Greg Jarrett and Andy McCarthy. On the other side, Sean Hannity talks to the people involved in the top stories of the day. Every day. Sean Hannity is on all right, twenty five now until the top of the hour. It's getting more interesting by the hour, by the minute, by the day. And Robert Mueller has had two setbacks now in the last couple of days, one with Paul Manafort also apparently along with Jerome Corsia joint defense agreements with the White House, which means a lot of the information was going back and forth. Mueller's claiming the cooperation agreement with Manafort has been breached, and in the case of COURSI. He's saying that he refuses to take a plea deal in which he would be forced to lie about something. I want to get into the issue it. Maybe use the Pentagon papers as a case in point Andy to explain to people exactly why this is not a even if it did happen as it relates to Jerome Corsi or Roger Stone, why would you say it's not a crime. Well, Sean, maybe the best example for people would be like a diary. Right, you have a diary in your house. I come in and I steal the diary out of your house and I give it to Greg and Greg runs with the information on it. Now, Greg didn't deputize me to go steal it, you know, he didn't know I was going to take it. But he finds the information interesting he publishes it. Now I've committed a crime because I stole it from you. Greg hasn't done anything wrong. Now you could say, maybe he's done something on ethical or something that you think is achy, because you've you've put personal information in your diary and he's not respecting your right to privacy as you see it. Sure, fine, but he still let me ask you specifically in this case, because I interviewed a sage on radio and on TV, and I asked him repeatedly, I'll play it for you if you want, whether or not he got this information from Russia. Now one caveat people in the intel community, other sources. I have said it absolutely. Maybe it wasn't directly from Russia or a state party, as he said, but it could have been a third party cut out, if you will, in other words, somebody that is not associated with them, but really is doing their bidding. But here's what, asan said, Russia give you this information or anybody associated with Russia. Al source is not a state party. So the answer for our interactions is no, you did not get this information about the DNC John Podesta's emails. Can you tell the American people a thousand percent you did not get it from Russia or anybody associated with Russia. We can say, we have said repeatedly over the last two months, that a source is the Russian governments and it is not the state party. Our source is not the Russian government. So in other words, let me be clear, Russia did not give you the podested documents or anything from the DNC. All Right, now, Andy, just using your example of you giving something to Greg, and Greg maybe unethically but not illegally, you know, publishes that something, and maybe you're on the hook. What if something is brought to wiki leagues by whatever source, but it happens to be truth that they're publishing. It may not like it, it may be secrets, it might be you know, personally, I can't believe we as a country have not developed cyber security. We get hacked all the time. It's insane that we have not built up a better defense system for our government. Which also raises the question of Hillary's emails and how unsafe that was in a bathroom closet. But when he says that if what he is saying is true and this was offered to him, is he rag using your analogy? Did he just receive it from somebody and he published what somebody gave him because he believed it to be true. The best example is the Pentagon Papers case. The documents about the Vietnam War were stolen by Daniel Ellsberg. They were given to the New York Times and the Washington Post that published them. The Post and the New York Times are insulated from prosecution. They're publishing something that's a matter of public interest even though they were stolen, And that principle of the Pentagon Papers cases stood for a very long time. We don't prosecute people for trying to find out information, especially news organizations that are in the public interest, even though they originally might be stolen information. The same can be said here. Let's assume that the documents were stolen and given to wiki leaks, and then they then published. Of course, he was trying to do exactly what you did, trying to find out information. If you read the count against him, it says he reached out to wiki leaks. All right, so did you? So did I? So did hundreds of other journalists across America during the summer of two thousand and sixteen because Julians he's got some stuff and it's going to be damaging to Hillary Clinton, So everybody was trying to find out what it was. So why then, It's not why Andy then would in the sense if this is offered to Wiki leagues, and I know they view themselves as a news organization, if it's given to them, why wouldn't they be in the same position as The New York Times and the Washington Post in the Pentagon Papers case, Well, Sean, I don't know that I accept Asana's explanation that he didn't get it from Russia. If you take at face value what he said, and if it turns out as you qualified before, if what he's saying is true, then I agree with Greg's analysis of it. He's just like a journalist. All right. Let's say his source was a Russian cutout. Let's say it's that. Does that matter who where he got it from? I think it depends on whether he knows and whether you have an arrangement that you can that you can properly describe as a conspiracy and others. How is that different though than the Pentagon papers? What do you mean how? In other words? You know they were stolen, they were stolen documents, they were printed. Yeah, but if you're encouraging people to do the theft and there's proof of that, Let's say he didn't. Let's say you didn't encourage it. Somebody came to him and offered it to him. Well, that's a different thing, right, That's like that's like somebody takes information. What I'm saying is there's a lot of there's a lot of you know, this is not a one off with Swikey leads, right, Uh, They've had they have a lot of information that they've put out in the past. And there's a lot of people in the intelligence community long before any of this happened, that thought that they were in arm of Russian intelligence. And I don't think that that's ever been disproved. It certainly hasn't been disproved. Listen. I know people that believe that with all their heart and soul, and I don't have an answer because it's it's way above my pay grade. But but then let me take it a step further and ask if in fact they got these this information however they got it and they published it, and if they didn't encourage it. You're saying there's no crime associated with that, and that that precedence of the Pentagon papers would hold. Yes, if there's no conspiracy, Sean, I don't understand why giving it to Wiki leaks would be different from giving it to me, you know, I mean, it's either a crimer there's not underneath it all. Yeah, and Greg, to take it even maybe a step further, if they really wanted to find out where they got it from, why didn't Muller and his Well, first of all, why didn't you know? The interesting thing is he never went after Hillary Clinton and real Russian lies, really used it to propagandize the American people, bought and paid for Russian lies. Then a fraud committed on four fives accords and four app separate applications, pertinent information withheld from those judges. And then of course she was exon rated and without an investigation. And then we've got surveillance and I'm asking and leaking raw intelligence abuse here. But you know, let's just for the sake of argument here say that you know, in the case of Wiki leaks, that they did what any other paper would do or any other Yeah, and Muller admits it. But why didn't they asked here's my question, why didn't they ask Julian Asange? Well, they shouldn't. The first thing you do is you asked Julian Assange. There's no indication anyone. Wouldn't he be the one guy I'm sorry to interrupt, wouldn't he be the one guy that knows where he got it from? And wouldn't he be able wouldn't he be able to prove where he got it from, he would. But the on the Statement of Offense first page, Muller declares the theft of campaign related emails and other documents was by the Russian government's main intelligence directorate of the General Staff, the GRU. So Muller declares, this was the theft was bought. Okay, let's say that's true, but that that doesn't mean that's where they got it from. And if the Russians gave it to Wiki leaks and Jerome Corsi and others, including yourself, try to find out information in details about that. You're not committing a crime. The gr You committed a crime, but nobody else did. All right, Listen, you guys are both fascinating. I mean, this really is getting interesting to me, and it seems like there is there's a certain desperation to this that I think is going to be revealed in pretty short order. We'll find out. Andy McCarthy, thank you, Greg Jarrett, thank you. We appreciate you guys spending the extra time with US eight hundred nine for one. Shaun told free telephone number. You want to be a part of the program. Our friend Congressman Louis Gormer to Texas their first congressional district. What what percentage of the vote did you got this time? It was only about seventy two, seventy three, seventy two seven. I'm never campaigning for you again. You don't need me ever, King, it would have been a lot worse without you, Sean, Are you kidding? Can I say one thing about Mueller mower investigation? We got senators say the more investigation you got to be protected. Look, let me go on record, the Mueller investigation has got to be protected at all costs. I've been saying Muller needed to be investigated for years now, and if there's an investigation of Moller, it needs to be protected. This guy's dirty. He needs to be investigated. That's the mower investigation that needs Well, that's not gonna happen. But you know, we are talking about a lot of different things here. Let me ask you this, um. Now, you have a plan that's going to allow Congress to pay for the border wall through a reconciliation bill that would be in the House and Senate can do it with fifty one votes in the Senate. Yeah, or even fifty votes because then we have a president that would break it. For the president and you know what, in September we were told, look, let's don't have a fight to the wall. Now, let's come back in December and do it then. And now there is no fight. And I got up today at conference and I was saying, look, guys, you said you were wanted to fight in December. Now is the time to fight. We only have a couple of months. And Sean, you had been so proud of the members that stood up and said, hey, I've been defeated, but I'm willing to stay here every day. I'd like to have Christmas Day itself, but I would stay here every day. People are willing to fight. Rank and file are willing to fight. And Paul says, well, the Senate doesn't have the votes. We can do it through reconciliation. Brad Burn has the bill. Is called a fifty vote for a wall bill because you don't have to have sixty, and it could be done. Paul's been chairman of Budget Committee, he has done it before. He knows how it's done. Well, they don't have the votes in the Senate. Look, we have got to have people right up the Senate, right up the House members saying look, you got two months help the president. You didn't help him enough before. Now you got a chance before you go out help the president. We got a lot people up because the fight is in a lot of members, Republican members here just not Why are they afraid to have this fight ever? I mean, this is it? Get it? I don't get it. It's if we don't have this fight, they may want Mitt Rodney for president next time. There will not be another Republican president if we don't do what we need to do to help Donald Trump protect our border, protect our country, not to stop immigration, but make sure it's legal. He's doing what he can. That's why his voters will come out in twenty twenty. But we can do this is through the Reconciliation prod. And the Democrats can stop it. We have the votes. What has Mitch McConnell said about it. Well, I haven't heard from Mitch, but I've heard from Paul and Kevin. Their position as well. The Senate says they don't have the votes. Well maybe they don't have Jeff Flake, but we could get fifty votes if there's enough pressure brought to bear on what's going to happen next year If they don't help out and get this done for a while where we need it. I mean, we have slapped the president in effects figuratively speaking, it's time we can do this now. And thank you for your fight. This is a desperate time and I don't normally get applause at conference, but when I said, guys, this little experiment in self government is very in grave danger of coming to an end. Let's fight. Let's spend these next two months helping the president. And I got a bunch of applause. People are ready to fight, but the leadership is not. They just said I'm gonna get Kevin McCarthy on the line and see if I can talk to him about it, because he's the guy that can make this happen, and he should make it happen. In the new listeners, I think you need to add, look, you have a good relationship with the president. Wanted you to have the President called Mitch McConnell and push him. Well, and that's the thing. If the House will do our job, then the president has incredible leverage against my Senate to get it done. 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