This is a special edition of the Sean Hannity Show. I'm very good. Trap Behind Enemy Lines, Day number forty forty all right, hour two Sean Hannity Show. Toll free our numbers eight hundred nine for one, Shawn, if you want to be a part of the program. It's an amazing thing, isn't it that we You know, here we are a year later last year at this time, heading into a presidential election, and now with three hundred percent higher in terms of COVID positivity cases. And meanwhile, we've got three vaccines. We've got now Joe Biden for the first time, what last week or a week and a half ago mentions monoclonal antibodies. You know, it's a year ago. Donald Trump had used regeneron as part of the therapeutic that got him well very quickly. I'm not a doctor. I'm not going to play one on radio and TV, and I'm not going to give you my whole spiel. But I'm fascinated with science. I believe in science. I believe in vaccination science. But I'm not your doctor. I know nothing about your medical history, your current medical condition, and I urge everyone to take it seriously and talk to your doctor. We lost nearly seven hundred thousand people. I don't want my audience dying. I don't want anybody dying. I don't care if you hate me, I don't want you dying anyway. And so I was reading the Epic Times last week, and sure enough they interviewed a guy. I don't know why I had not heard of him before, because I'm following this daily. His name is doctor Robert Malone. It turns out he is the inventor of the technology of mRNA vaccines and RNA as a drug. In other words, the technology that led to the FISA MODERNA vaccines a little different than the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. And I'll let him explain the difference because he joins us now, sir, welcome to the program. Thank you for being Willis. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you in your audience. The first question, doctor, is am I doing the right thing by telling people to take it seriously? Take you know, do your research, learn as much as you can be informed, take into account your unique medical history, your current medical condition, and please talk to your doctor and then make the right decision based on that conversation. Is that the right advice because I see all these people in Washington that never went to medical school and all these people on TV that never went to medical school with one size fits all medicine, and I have a problem with that. You're dead on, and thank you for saying it. It's precisely the thing that I've been trying to say. I'm not anti vax I've been a vaccinologists for thirty years, and as you say kindly, I did play a key role in inventing the technology platform for these and I've done many other things in my career, but I believe firmly in ethics and bioethics and in ensuring that we have saved and effective products. And it's always been the case that vaccines have been stratified for their um for deciding whether or not to recommend based on age, and this is clearly a disease of the elderly m THEO piece, UM, so you're, as far as I'm concerned, you're messaging to your audience is pitch perfect. Well. I appreciate it because I'm I get the crappy at otomy doctor every day and I don't know if you cannot you know, you know, I actually am fascinated with medicine. UM. I did an hour special with doctor A doctor's name is doctor Rodriguez and m Yu lang Ohn and he did the first successful face and hand double hand transplant. UM. I have two friends of mine that are brain surgeons. I've actually been in an operating room watching brain surgery. I'm fascinated by it, and I'm fascinated by science. Can you explain to this audience, because I don't even know the answer the difference between mRNA technology that you played a big part in discovering, versus say, the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, which is more historically how they did it. The Maderna Fiza vaccines would be this new technology mRNA. Can you explain it? Actually, you've got something a little bit wrong. The J and J vaccine and I've heard this before. The J and J vaccine is not a traditional vaccine technology. Okay, All three of those are basically gene therapy technologies applied to vaccines. The J and J technology has never been rolled out at this level, and in fact, it stems from the same laboratory at the same time that I was in when I had the mRNA discoveries that being the lab of Indraverma at the Salk Institute Molecular Biology and Virology Lab, so I'm very familiar with both platforms. But the ad vector tech uses a recombinant cold virus and adnovirus, which is a DNA virus, and it puts the A gene from the stars coby too, the spike protein gene, into that virus, and then they grow that and that's what's used to infect you and produce this stars Cobe two spike protein. So in that case, your cells are the actual manufacturing factory for the final vaccine product. This is very different from a traditional vaccine. If you think of say a flu vaccine, that is a purified fragment of a vaccine that's manufactured using chicken eggs or various other processes and then mixed with something that makes it more reactive and then inject it as a purified protein preparation into your arm. What these vaccines are more like is attenuated vaccine. So that's a polio, smallpox, yellow fever. Those are all attenuated, live attenuated vaccine. But in this case, both the adno vector J and J and the maderna or fiser that's the mRNA employ methods for putting a foreign, foreign genetic material into your cells, causing your cells to make the foreign protein spike, and then that is what generates steam in response. Does that make sense? It does? But you know, you're way more you're way more sophisticated about this. Now. If it's not making sense, I'm not doing it well. As Richard Feinman said, if you can't make a complex topic understandable, then you don't really understand it. No, but I do. So let me ask it in these terms, because okay, people, you know, we have seen the results and the efficacy. You know, early efficacy was in the high nineties for Bold, Maderna and Fiser. I think it was seventy four or seventy seven percent for the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Now we've have the delta variant, and behind at the Peruvian lambda variant. Then this new move variant, and there's a new variant. I don't know how to actually pronounce it. It's our dot one or our point one or whatever they're calling it that infected forty five residents. It seems that's the greatest fear now surrounds this one. In a Kentucky nursing home where all the patients were fully vaccinated and they had every one of them was a breakout case. Yep. So what we're so, well, how what's your question? How? Let me focus on question is we didn't we knew there'd be variations. I mean, people study viruses their whole life. Obviously you have spent devoted a long period of your life doing this. Now we didn't expect breakout cases, you know. And then people now are talking about boosters and people talking about, well, what the efficacy of Maderna fiser janej is over time and that the efficacy lessons? What is natural immunity? How does natural immunity impact a decision to get the Let's stop there. That's a good that's a goodly amount of stuff just to talk about right there. So, um, let's start with efficacy. So there's um. The language you'll hear is efficacy and effectiveness. Efficacy is something that's measured in a clinical trial, which often will over represent how good something is because of the controlled nature of doing a clinical trial. Effectiveness is how good does it work in the field in the real world. Okay, So those are two keywords, and the efficacy that you're talking about from these relatively modest, very brief, initial clinical trials that they rushed U was efficacy. You're you're citing the numbers for death and disease. Protection against death and disease. That's different from protection against infection or replication or spread. Okay, So it turns out that even back in the day when we were dealing with the original strains, that are the ones that are matched to these vaccines, because now we got different viruses basically that aren't matched to these current vaccines. But back in the day, what they didn't disclose, you know, it wasn't in the press, and you're no stranger to the let's say legacy media, just basically regurgitating whatever pablem the government gives them and the pharmaceutical companies give them. So that's what we had. They just kind of regurgitated it to us. They didn't ask questions, but in fact, the ability of the vaccines to block infection was not anywhere near ninety percent. Now what we have is evolved strains. So this is you know, fundamental Darwinian evolution kind of stuff, where you have selective pressure imposed by the vaccines and no surprise, because you only have a single antigen as single protein from the virus that's being produced in the vaccinated. No surprise that the virus is evolving to escape that immune pressure caused by those vaccines. Now there's another wrinkle to this in that generally we use vaccines before we have a pandemic, right, that's how we need to try to get them out. And that's a different situation. Vaccinating into an ongoing pandemic when there's a whole lot of virus circulating is a whole different kettlefish. And what happens then you really do have a setup for development of these escape mutes, which is what you're seeing. The virus is evolving to escape the vaccines, and it will continue to do so, particularly if we have a universal vaccination policy. What we've got I like to say, is the situation. I don't know if you have kids, sir, but I okay, so yeah, minor now I'm married and after the lives. But I always like to say, if you give a three year old a hammer, everything comes nail and they seem to think, yeah, you get it right, right, these fundamental things, you know, this is everybody can understand this. You know, you give somebody cool new tech that's really powerful, and they think that they can just drive all their problems home with that tech. But it's not that simple. And what we're at risk for with this universal policies, we're going to continue to generate escape mutants and they will converge on escape mutants that this is happening. We can see it, and if you follow the genetics, it's kind of complex stuff, but it's for sure happening. It will drive towards some common set of variants that's really good at replicating and escaping the vaccine. And then what happens, Oh, the people that really needed the vaccine the most, the elderly, the obese, the immuno suppressed, they're no longer going to have first line protection. They're gonna be back where they were before, only with viruses that are even more highly replication competent. Because that's the other thing that's happened is these new variants replicate at much higher levels whether you're vaccinated or not, so if you get infected, if you're vaccinated. Here's the paradox that is just a lot of people are waking up to this. Okay, there's all this talk that it's the unvaccinated that are creating risk for the vaccinated. Now, that just doesn't make sense when you think it through. If these vaccines are worth the grain as salt another word, you're saying, have you got the vaccine, you should be protected regardless of what. Do you have a logical right? Yeah? Right? Okay, So how does it make any sense at all that the unvaccinated are the ones that are the problem. In fact, what's happening is that the vaccinated are when they are infected and these we now know what these new strains that they're the protection against infection is something like forty to sixty percent. Okay, so it's really not that great. And if you do get infected, your chance of having severe disease is lower. Well that sounds good, right, that's a good thing. Well, that's what the science has showed us. You're right, and risk of hospitalization and death is right. Here's the wrinkle in that, okay, is that what that means is the folks that are vaccinated are still getting infected. They're replicating virus in their bodies at the same or higher levels than they were before. They're shedding virus at the same or higher levels. Than they were before. Remember at the beginning of the outbreak when we talked about super spreaders, we've created a whole, huge bunch of super spreaders. So the truth is that's the unvaccinated that are at risk from the vaccinated. Does that make sense. It doesn't. It doesn't, because they're also at risk of just getting it also, especially the more highly contagious variants. No, if you're on vaccinated, yes, it's true. But the difference is that now we have folks walking around who think they're perfectly healthy, but in fact they're making a lot of virus, and we have a lot of those people doing that. So that's the difference. You look at it sideways, different from the way you're being told. You know, it should be that the vaccinated are protected, they're not at risk from the unvaccinated. That should be the way it is. All Right, we got to take a break. We'll come back. We have more with doctor Robert Malone. He played a very key role in inventing the technology behind mRNA vaccines, and it's a fascinating discussion. I go back to my admonition though, that I make every day is please do your own research, talk to your own doctor. But please take it seriously. I don't want anybody in this audience ever dying ever. And then we'll talk about therapeutics on the other side, regeneron monoclonal antibodies. And we got a lot of questions for doctor Malone. It's you know, this is way out of my arena. So I'm learning like you are. We continue our discussion. We're joined by doctor Robert Malone. You've heard of the Fiser vaccine, the Maderna vaccine. He happens to have played one of the key roles, if not the key role, in inventing the technology that led to the mRNA vaccines like Maderna and Fiser. And we're talking about, you know, all things involving COVID again, information and again I urge you to talk to your own doctors about what the right decision is. Doctor if I might just ask a simple question, because obviously this is your technology that they've used. You helped invent this, which means you're a pretty smart guy, and you're telling us things about these variants. It gets a little chilling to me to hear some of what you're saying. I don't know why we haven't heard more from you. Up to this point. But my question is this, So for people, you support science obviously, and you support the vaccination science, and your breakthrough led to these vaccines. So I know it's a general question and you can't answer specific questions of individuals with unique medical histories and you don't know anything about their conditions, But generally, how do you feel about the vaccines based on the technology you played a pivotal role in discovering. I think they've been rushed. I think that's pretty clear. Two key things. We needed more information about the adverse events the risks of the vaccine, and the other was that the database structure that the CDC had used to capture these adverse events was broken. It wasn't working. I was really controversial at the time, but both things have now been proven true. So in terms of my point of view, these were rushed, and unfortunately we're now dealing with the consequences of things that weren't detected when they should have been. But I personally my position is that based on the current data, and I've written two op eds in the Washington Times with Peter Navarro about this, based on the current data, it makes sense to vaccinate people sixty five and older, morbidly obese, and people with immune deficiencies. These are the specific groups that the FDA Verbeck's commutee and endorsed for the third JAB. Okay, and would you add to call morbidities pre existing conditions that might be applicable. Yeah, that's why I said high risk conditions. Now, what just to dive in down that rabbit hole for a moment. What the FDA just did was they authorized for the third JAB for those specific people, but then also extended it to anybody who has frequent contact with the public. So that's where the FDA's at. That's not where I'm suggesting that the data show that the risk benefit ratio for elderly, morbidly obese, immitter deficiency patients and others that are very high risk, it's still a good bet to take the vaccine for everybody else. In my opinion and that of many other colleagues that are out in the front lines actually treating patients in their homes now, instead of waiting for them to go to the hospital, we should go ahead and make available the variety of drugs, largely anti inflammatories, not perfect, but that are being used by physicians all over the world to keep people out of the hospital and keep them from dying and keep them from developing. These are the steroids that are often prescribed when people test positive. Steroids are one solution, and that's part of the arbimentarium, but frankly so is hydroxychlorically and many others. So there's a and by the way, this is a simple thing that your audience can do, and it's good for all of us. Go to your dock and get your vitamin D levels checked. And there's a darn good chance that they're going to be too low, and if they are, you ought to take supplements because the data are pretty clear that having your vitamin D levels up at the right level can go a long way to preventing you from getting this disease. Let me go and ask this question. So I have two friends of mine that live in Atlanta. They were unvaccinated, one seventy four, his wife is I think sixty eight, and within twenty four hours of their diagnosis they were at Emory University Hospital getting an infusion of regenera on the monoclonal and the bodies. I have another friend of mine who lives, you know, ten minutes from my house, and he's fully vaccinated, and he got a home test. First, he had the Abbot test and it turned out to be accurate, and he got it confirmed at a lab. He had a breakthrough. He had been fully vaccinated for quite a while. Um. Within twenty four hours, he got the monoclonal antibodies for general infusion in his case and he's you know, it was a little overweight and um um. He had the best ten days of his life. He sent his family down to Florida so they wouldn't contract contract the virus from him, and he went fishing every day and was sending me, you know, pictures of forty pounds stripe past that he was catching. Uh. Enjoying his free is what he called his COVID vacation because he felt great after getting the infusion. Um. Yeah, right, then there's poor Joe Rogan. And by the way, why am I like the only one saying thank god he's okay. I don't care what your politics are, doctor, I mean this with all my heart. I don't want anybody dying from this thing. I really don't know is a hero all over the world. I just spent two weeks in Europe touring relating to COVID, and and people people thought Joe roganum everywhere, he's got amazing reach. But if your point is, and I'm going to mention a name, Ron de Santis, who went out hard in favor of these antibody cocktails and has specifically called out that this was what they used with the potus, And he has really quenched the outbreak to a large extent in terms of death and disease in Florida because he has aggressively made available these antibody cocktails. Well, now, from what I've been able to gather from my sources, we don't have a shortage of monoclonal antibodies. Not quite the contrary. I mean, we're sharing it with countries all around the world. I agree. And yet, and yet, paradoxically, now the federal government is going to restrict availability of these monoclonals in Florida. Now rep your head around that. Well, let me ask this question then, whether you're unvaccinated or vaccinated, like my friends and Georgia were not vaccinated. My friend in New York was vaccinated and they come down with COVID. The next question is what is the next course of action? I personally and I've interviewed doctors graduating from Harvard and Yale, and we've had, you know, people on the front lines, unlike doctor Fauci, I'm not particularly fond of at this point. And you know, remember doctor Fauci doesn't treat patients. It's kind of important to know, doctor fallI. That is an interesting little point. And those emails were pretty revealing, and the intercept pages were more revealing. But that's a different story for a different day. But I want to give good information to my audience. Wait until the first thing book comes out. I'm sorry, wait until JFK. Junior's book comes out about mister Fauci, you will open your eyes really Okay, So my question to you is, now, I'm not a doctor. I'm not I'm not going to play one on radio. So I'm asking you. You know, you've played the big role in inventing the technology for these vaccines, which is pretty fascinating to me. You're obviously a brilliant man. And my question is, so you have a breakthrough case, so you're unvaccinated, you contract COVID and and what's what's the next bit of advice you'd give people. My advice would be immediately go talk to your doctor about monoclonal antibodies. That's what my first bit of information would be asked. I think that's I think that's great advice. There's also many other complementary drugs and the agents that you can take. But you, you know, given that you're responsible broadcaster and journalist, I think that's a superposition to take. Nobody in in the FDA or in the fact checker community can hit you on that. One quick break more with doctor Robert Malone. He played an instrumental role in the invention of the mr NA technology. All Right, we continue. Doctor Robert Malone played an integral part, a key role in the invention of the mr NA technology that led to the Maderna Faiza vaccines. Now, let me ask you about these new variants here. And there's one in particular in Kentucky. I'm not sure how the pronouncing is R dot one or R one um it infected forty five residents and employees in this one particular facility in Kentucky. There's a there's a great there's a great article in Forbes on that written by Bill Hazeltine. It's really comprehensive. Um So that's a good one to look at. Um. And then there is a CDC report from about two months ago that's easy to find by just searching the CDC MMWR journal, M and battle. Well, let me quote the Forbes article for you scientists. The name of William Hazelton. And maybe you know, maybe you don't smart guy sciences. He's a big shot, a Harvard big shot. Okay. R one is a variant. Is the variant to watch. He said, it's established a foothold in both Japan and the US, and he added it features several unique mutations that could give it advantages in transmission, replication, and immune suppression, and one mutation named E four eighty four K and I have no idea what I'm saying here. Just stay with me, doctor, located in the spike protein of the virus, gives it quote an increased resistance to antibodies generated by the vaccine. And R one shares an additional mutation D six one four G with all other variants that that have overtaken the original alpha strain, which increases infectiousness. So I'm giving you a lot of information that it has. It has another it has another mutation that REases its replication in humans. I didn't want to show off. I would have brought that up to you're you're you are on it, my friend. So what does it mean though, because I really don't understand it. So this the current vaccine products, and there's new ones coming that are second generation products, but the current vaccine products all rely on the spike protein. And the spike protein was the focus because it was known that uh, that protein would provide pretty good protection and so it was a safe bet. And the problem with that is that the antibodies for the B cell antibody based immunity, in order for them to be effective, there's a limited number of targets places that they combine to on the spike protein to block the ability of the virus to infect other cells and neutralize the virus. And the thing is that those it's really turned out to be complex. There's been some fascinating science done in the Joya Institute of Allergy and Immunology by a large international team mapping all these different domains, and basically what Bill is pointing out is that one of those domains is being mutated so that the antibodies, which normally would be able to bind there aren't binding or aren't binding as efficiently the ones evoked by the vaccine, because remember the vaccine is against the original alpha strain, so it's no longer matched. This is one of the big problems. The truth is that we're vaccinating for yesterday's virus, okay, and so we're generating friends of mine yell at me for getting a flu shot every year, and half of my friends agree, half disagree. And I know it's on average thirty to forty percent effective because they guess what strain it's going to be. So it's kind of it sounds a little similar to that, right, Well, it's a good point, and in fact, there's even more you're even more accurate in talking about flu. That's a super analogy because for a number of reasons, many vaccinologists, myself included, think that over vaccinating for flu is actually not a good thing. One of the things that's kind of a little bit worrisome about this, we're just going to go ahead and give everybody a jab every six month strategy is there's a thing called high zone tolerance and another thing called original energenic sin. So those are fancy immunology words, but what they equate to is that more is not always better with vaccines. More vaccination, more frequent vaccination can in some cases, actually make it so that you're less able to mount an immune response against a pathogen. I'm running out a time, unfortune, and I rarely give a full hour of my program to any one person. But I mean, considering you're up to your eyeballs and all of this, and you know, play the key role discovering the mr mRNA technology to build out the the vaccines Maderna and Visa. I just think that, you know, I want everybody to put this in the category of information. Take it seriously. Talk to your doctor. Doctors look at your unique medical history, your current condition, talk to your doctor and make the make the right decision for you. Um and I just want everybody to be informed and smart and safe and uh, you know obviously now I and now I understand after all of this, why people spend their entire lives studying one virus. It's crazy. It's crazy to me, M But I appreciate you being on the program. Doctor Well, I hope you'll come back again. And uh, we you know, you should really take a bow. I mean, you know, for the people that you know you pointed out absolutely need this vaccine. Sixty five call morbidities, pre existing conditions, compromised immune systems. You know, you're very clear on it, and I appreciate your forth rightness on it. I'm glad to be on your program anytime, my friend. Thank you, and it'd be good all right, Thank you, sir, Doctor Robert Malone. Fascinating. Let's talk to your doctor. There's a lot to learn. I mean, every time I think I know something, I am learning more. Quick break right back

This is a special edition of the Sean Hannity Show. I'm very good. Trap Behind Enemy Lines, Day number forty forty all right, hour two Sean Hannity Show. Toll free our numbers eight hundred nine for one, Shawn, if you want to be a part of the program. It's an amazing thing, isn't it that we You know, here we are a year later last year at this time, heading into a presidential election, and now with three hundred percent higher in terms of COVID positivity cases. And meanwhile, we've got three vaccines. We've got now Joe Biden for the first time, what last week or a week and a half ago mentions monoclonal antibodies. You know, it's a year ago. Donald Trump had used regeneron as part of the therapeutic that got him well very quickly. I'm not a doctor. I'm not going to play one on radio and TV, and I'm not going to give you my whole spiel. But I'm fascinated with science. I believe in science. I believe in vaccination science. But I'm not your doctor. I know nothing about your medical history, your current medical condition, and I urge everyone to take it seriously and talk to your doctor. We lost nearly seven hundred thousand people. I don't want my audience dying. I don't want anybody dying. I don't care if you hate me, I don't want you dying anyway. And so I was reading the Epic Times last week, and sure enough they interviewed a guy. I don't know why I had not heard of him before, because I'm following this daily. His name is doctor Robert Malone. It turns out he is the inventor of the technology of mRNA vaccines and RNA as a drug. In other words, the technology that led to the FISA MODERNA vaccines a little different than the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. And I'll let him explain the difference because he joins us now, sir, welcome to the program. Thank you for being Willis. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you in your audience. The first question, doctor, is am I doing the right thing by telling people to take it seriously? Take you know, do your research, learn as much as you can be informed, take into account your unique medical history, your current medical condition, and please talk to your doctor and then make the right decision based on that conversation. Is that the right advice because I see all these people in Washington that never went to medical school and all these people on TV that never went to medical school with one size fits all medicine, and I have a problem with that. You're dead on, and thank you for saying it. It's precisely the thing that I've been trying to say. I'm not anti vax I've been a vaccinologists for thirty years, and as you say kindly, I did play a key role in inventing the technology platform for these and I've done many other things in my career, but I believe firmly in ethics and bioethics and in ensuring that we have saved and effective products. And it's always been the case that vaccines have been stratified for their um for deciding whether or not to recommend based on age, and this is clearly a disease of the elderly m THEO piece, UM, so you're, as far as I'm concerned, you're messaging to your audience is pitch perfect. Well. I appreciate it because I'm I get the crappy at otomy doctor every day and I don't know if you cannot you know, you know, I actually am fascinated with medicine. UM. I did an hour special with doctor A doctor's name is doctor Rodriguez and m Yu lang Ohn and he did the first successful face and hand double hand transplant. UM. I have two friends of mine that are brain surgeons. I've actually been in an operating room watching brain surgery. I'm fascinated by it, and I'm fascinated by science. Can you explain to this audience, because I don't even know the answer the difference between mRNA technology that you played a big part in discovering, versus say, the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, which is more historically how they did it. The Maderna Fiza vaccines would be this new technology mRNA. Can you explain it? Actually, you've got something a little bit wrong. The J and J vaccine and I've heard this before. The J and J vaccine is not a traditional vaccine technology. Okay, All three of those are basically gene therapy technologies applied to vaccines. The J and J technology has never been rolled out at this level, and in fact, it stems from the same laboratory at the same time that I was in when I had the mRNA discoveries that being the lab of Indraverma at the Salk Institute Molecular Biology and Virology Lab, so I'm very familiar with both platforms. But the ad vector tech uses a recombinant cold virus and adnovirus, which is a DNA virus, and it puts the A gene from the stars coby too, the spike protein gene, into that virus, and then they grow that and that's what's used to infect you and produce this stars Cobe two spike protein. So in that case, your cells are the actual manufacturing factory for the final vaccine product. This is very different from a traditional vaccine. If you think of say a flu vaccine, that is a purified fragment of a vaccine that's manufactured using chicken eggs or various other processes and then mixed with something that makes it more reactive and then inject it as a purified protein preparation into your arm. What these vaccines are more like is attenuated vaccine. So that's a polio, smallpox, yellow fever. Those are all attenuated, live attenuated vaccine. But in this case, both the adno vector J and J and the maderna or fiser that's the mRNA employ methods for putting a foreign, foreign genetic material into your cells, causing your cells to make the foreign protein spike, and then that is what generates steam in response. Does that make sense? It does? But you know, you're way more you're way more sophisticated about this. Now. If it's not making sense, I'm not doing it well. As Richard Feinman said, if you can't make a complex topic understandable, then you don't really understand it. No, but I do. So let me ask it in these terms, because okay, people, you know, we have seen the results and the efficacy. You know, early efficacy was in the high nineties for Bold, Maderna and Fiser. I think it was seventy four or seventy seven percent for the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Now we've have the delta variant, and behind at the Peruvian lambda variant. Then this new move variant, and there's a new variant. I don't know how to actually pronounce it. It's our dot one or our point one or whatever they're calling it that infected forty five residents. It seems that's the greatest fear now surrounds this one. In a Kentucky nursing home where all the patients were fully vaccinated and they had every one of them was a breakout case. Yep. So what we're so, well, how what's your question? How? Let me focus on question is we didn't we knew there'd be variations. I mean, people study viruses their whole life. Obviously you have spent devoted a long period of your life doing this. Now we didn't expect breakout cases, you know. And then people now are talking about boosters and people talking about, well, what the efficacy of Maderna fiser janej is over time and that the efficacy lessons? What is natural immunity? How does natural immunity impact a decision to get the Let's stop there. That's a good that's a goodly amount of stuff just to talk about right there. So, um, let's start with efficacy. So there's um. The language you'll hear is efficacy and effectiveness. Efficacy is something that's measured in a clinical trial, which often will over represent how good something is because of the controlled nature of doing a clinical trial. Effectiveness is how good does it work in the field in the real world. Okay, So those are two keywords, and the efficacy that you're talking about from these relatively modest, very brief, initial clinical trials that they rushed U was efficacy. You're you're citing the numbers for death and disease. Protection against death and disease. That's different from protection against infection or replication or spread. Okay, So it turns out that even back in the day when we were dealing with the original strains, that are the ones that are matched to these vaccines, because now we got different viruses basically that aren't matched to these current vaccines. But back in the day, what they didn't disclose, you know, it wasn't in the press, and you're no stranger to the let's say legacy media, just basically regurgitating whatever pablem the government gives them and the pharmaceutical companies give them. So that's what we had. They just kind of regurgitated it to us. They didn't ask questions, but in fact, the ability of the vaccines to block infection was not anywhere near ninety percent. Now what we have is evolved strains. So this is you know, fundamental Darwinian evolution kind of stuff, where you have selective pressure imposed by the vaccines and no surprise, because you only have a single antigen as single protein from the virus that's being produced in the vaccinated. No surprise that the virus is evolving to escape that immune pressure caused by those vaccines. Now there's another wrinkle to this in that generally we use vaccines before we have a pandemic, right, that's how we need to try to get them out. And that's a different situation. Vaccinating into an ongoing pandemic when there's a whole lot of virus circulating is a whole different kettlefish. And what happens then you really do have a setup for development of these escape mutes, which is what you're seeing. The virus is evolving to escape the vaccines, and it will continue to do so, particularly if we have a universal vaccination policy. What we've got I like to say, is the situation. I don't know if you have kids, sir, but I okay, so yeah, minor now I'm married and after the lives. But I always like to say, if you give a three year old a hammer, everything comes nail and they seem to think, yeah, you get it right, right, these fundamental things, you know, this is everybody can understand this. You know, you give somebody cool new tech that's really powerful, and they think that they can just drive all their problems home with that tech. But it's not that simple. And what we're at risk for with this universal policies, we're going to continue to generate escape mutants and they will converge on escape mutants that this is happening. We can see it, and if you follow the genetics, it's kind of complex stuff, but it's for sure happening. It will drive towards some common set of variants that's really good at replicating and escaping the vaccine. And then what happens, Oh, the people that really needed the vaccine the most, the elderly, the obese, the immuno suppressed, they're no longer going to have first line protection. They're gonna be back where they were before, only with viruses that are even more highly replication competent. Because that's the other thing that's happened is these new variants replicate at much higher levels whether you're vaccinated or not, so if you get infected, if you're vaccinated. Here's the paradox that is just a lot of people are waking up to this. Okay, there's all this talk that it's the unvaccinated that are creating risk for the vaccinated. Now, that just doesn't make sense when you think it through. If these vaccines are worth the grain as salt another word, you're saying, have you got the vaccine, you should be protected regardless of what. Do you have a logical right? Yeah? Right? Okay, So how does it make any sense at all that the unvaccinated are the ones that are the problem. In fact, what's happening is that the vaccinated are when they are infected and these we now know what these new strains that they're the protection against infection is something like forty to sixty percent. Okay, so it's really not that great. And if you do get infected, your chance of having severe disease is lower. Well that sounds good, right, that's a good thing. Well, that's what the science has showed us. You're right, and risk of hospitalization and death is right. Here's the wrinkle in that, okay, is that what that means is the folks that are vaccinated are still getting infected. They're replicating virus in their bodies at the same or higher levels than they were before. They're shedding virus at the same or higher levels. Than they were before. Remember at the beginning of the outbreak when we talked about super spreaders, we've created a whole, huge bunch of super spreaders. So the truth is that's the unvaccinated that are at risk from the vaccinated. Does that make sense. It doesn't. It doesn't, because they're also at risk of just getting it also, especially the more highly contagious variants. No, if you're on vaccinated, yes, it's true. But the difference is that now we have folks walking around who think they're perfectly healthy, but in fact they're making a lot of virus, and we have a lot of those people doing that. So that's the difference. You look at it sideways, different from the way you're being told. You know, it should be that the vaccinated are protected, they're not at risk from the unvaccinated. That should be the way it is. All Right, we got to take a break. We'll come back. We have more with doctor Robert Malone. He played a very key role in inventing the technology behind mRNA vaccines, and it's a fascinating discussion. I go back to my admonition though, that I make every day is please do your own research, talk to your own doctor. But please take it seriously. I don't want anybody in this audience ever dying ever. And then we'll talk about therapeutics on the other side, regeneron monoclonal antibodies. And we got a lot of questions for doctor Malone. It's you know, this is way out of my arena. So I'm learning like you are. We continue our discussion. We're joined by doctor Robert Malone. You've heard of the Fiser vaccine, the Maderna vaccine. He happens to have played one of the key roles, if not the key role, in inventing the technology that led to the mRNA vaccines like Maderna and Fiser. And we're talking about, you know, all things involving COVID again, information and again I urge you to talk to your own doctors about what the right decision is. Doctor if I might just ask a simple question, because obviously this is your technology that they've used. You helped invent this, which means you're a pretty smart guy, and you're telling us things about these variants. It gets a little chilling to me to hear some of what you're saying. I don't know why we haven't heard more from you. Up to this point. But my question is this, So for people, you support science obviously, and you support the vaccination science, and your breakthrough led to these vaccines. So I know it's a general question and you can't answer specific questions of individuals with unique medical histories and you don't know anything about their conditions, But generally, how do you feel about the vaccines based on the technology you played a pivotal role in discovering. I think they've been rushed. I think that's pretty clear. Two key things. We needed more information about the adverse events the risks of the vaccine, and the other was that the database structure that the CDC had used to capture these adverse events was broken. It wasn't working. I was really controversial at the time, but both things have now been proven true. So in terms of my point of view, these were rushed, and unfortunately we're now dealing with the consequences of things that weren't detected when they should have been. But I personally my position is that based on the current data, and I've written two op eds in the Washington Times with Peter Navarro about this, based on the current data, it makes sense to vaccinate people sixty five and older, morbidly obese, and people with immune deficiencies. These are the specific groups that the FDA Verbeck's commutee and endorsed for the third JAB. Okay, and would you add to call morbidities pre existing conditions that might be applicable. Yeah, that's why I said high risk conditions. Now, what just to dive in down that rabbit hole for a moment. What the FDA just did was they authorized for the third JAB for those specific people, but then also extended it to anybody who has frequent contact with the public. So that's where the FDA's at. That's not where I'm suggesting that the data show that the risk benefit ratio for elderly, morbidly obese, immitter deficiency patients and others that are very high risk, it's still a good bet to take the vaccine for everybody else. In my opinion and that of many other colleagues that are out in the front lines actually treating patients in their homes now, instead of waiting for them to go to the hospital, we should go ahead and make available the variety of drugs, largely anti inflammatories, not perfect, but that are being used by physicians all over the world to keep people out of the hospital and keep them from dying and keep them from developing. These are the steroids that are often prescribed when people test positive. Steroids are one solution, and that's part of the arbimentarium, but frankly so is hydroxychlorically and many others. So there's a and by the way, this is a simple thing that your audience can do, and it's good for all of us. Go to your dock and get your vitamin D levels checked. And there's a darn good chance that they're going to be too low, and if they are, you ought to take supplements because the data are pretty clear that having your vitamin D levels up at the right level can go a long way to preventing you from getting this disease. Let me go and ask this question. So I have two friends of mine that live in Atlanta. They were unvaccinated, one seventy four, his wife is I think sixty eight, and within twenty four hours of their diagnosis they were at Emory University Hospital getting an infusion of regenera on the monoclonal and the bodies. I have another friend of mine who lives, you know, ten minutes from my house, and he's fully vaccinated, and he got a home test. First, he had the Abbot test and it turned out to be accurate, and he got it confirmed at a lab. He had a breakthrough. He had been fully vaccinated for quite a while. Um. Within twenty four hours, he got the monoclonal antibodies for general infusion in his case and he's you know, it was a little overweight and um um. He had the best ten days of his life. He sent his family down to Florida so they wouldn't contract contract the virus from him, and he went fishing every day and was sending me, you know, pictures of forty pounds stripe past that he was catching. Uh. Enjoying his free is what he called his COVID vacation because he felt great after getting the infusion. Um. Yeah, right, then there's poor Joe Rogan. And by the way, why am I like the only one saying thank god he's okay. I don't care what your politics are, doctor, I mean this with all my heart. I don't want anybody dying from this thing. I really don't know is a hero all over the world. I just spent two weeks in Europe touring relating to COVID, and and people people thought Joe roganum everywhere, he's got amazing reach. But if your point is, and I'm going to mention a name, Ron de Santis, who went out hard in favor of these antibody cocktails and has specifically called out that this was what they used with the potus, And he has really quenched the outbreak to a large extent in terms of death and disease in Florida because he has aggressively made available these antibody cocktails. Well, now, from what I've been able to gather from my sources, we don't have a shortage of monoclonal antibodies. Not quite the contrary. I mean, we're sharing it with countries all around the world. I agree. And yet, and yet, paradoxically, now the federal government is going to restrict availability of these monoclonals in Florida. Now rep your head around that. Well, let me ask this question then, whether you're unvaccinated or vaccinated, like my friends and Georgia were not vaccinated. My friend in New York was vaccinated and they come down with COVID. The next question is what is the next course of action? I personally and I've interviewed doctors graduating from Harvard and Yale, and we've had, you know, people on the front lines, unlike doctor Fauci, I'm not particularly fond of at this point. And you know, remember doctor Fauci doesn't treat patients. It's kind of important to know, doctor fallI. That is an interesting little point. And those emails were pretty revealing, and the intercept pages were more revealing. But that's a different story for a different day. But I want to give good information to my audience. Wait until the first thing book comes out. I'm sorry, wait until JFK. Junior's book comes out about mister Fauci, you will open your eyes really Okay, So my question to you is, now, I'm not a doctor. I'm not I'm not going to play one on radio. So I'm asking you. You know, you've played the big role in inventing the technology for these vaccines, which is pretty fascinating to me. You're obviously a brilliant man. And my question is, so you have a breakthrough case, so you're unvaccinated, you contract COVID and and what's what's the next bit of advice you'd give people. My advice would be immediately go talk to your doctor about monoclonal antibodies. That's what my first bit of information would be asked. I think that's I think that's great advice. There's also many other complementary drugs and the agents that you can take. But you, you know, given that you're responsible broadcaster and journalist, I think that's a superposition to take. Nobody in in the FDA or in the fact checker community can hit you on that. One quick break more with doctor Robert Malone. He played an instrumental role in the invention of the mr NA technology. All Right, we continue. Doctor Robert Malone played an integral part, a key role in the invention of the mr NA technology that led to the Maderna Faiza vaccines. Now, let me ask you about these new variants here. And there's one in particular in Kentucky. I'm not sure how the pronouncing is R dot one or R one um it infected forty five residents and employees in this one particular facility in Kentucky. There's a there's a great there's a great article in Forbes on that written by Bill Hazeltine. It's really comprehensive. Um So that's a good one to look at. Um. And then there is a CDC report from about two months ago that's easy to find by just searching the CDC MMWR journal, M and battle. Well, let me quote the Forbes article for you scientists. The name of William Hazelton. And maybe you know, maybe you don't smart guy sciences. He's a big shot, a Harvard big shot. Okay. R one is a variant. Is the variant to watch. He said, it's established a foothold in both Japan and the US, and he added it features several unique mutations that could give it advantages in transmission, replication, and immune suppression, and one mutation named E four eighty four K and I have no idea what I'm saying here. Just stay with me, doctor, located in the spike protein of the virus, gives it quote an increased resistance to antibodies generated by the vaccine. And R one shares an additional mutation D six one four G with all other variants that that have overtaken the original alpha strain, which increases infectiousness. So I'm giving you a lot of information that it has. It has another it has another mutation that REases its replication in humans. I didn't want to show off. I would have brought that up to you're you're you are on it, my friend. So what does it mean though, because I really don't understand it. So this the current vaccine products, and there's new ones coming that are second generation products, but the current vaccine products all rely on the spike protein. And the spike protein was the focus because it was known that uh, that protein would provide pretty good protection and so it was a safe bet. And the problem with that is that the antibodies for the B cell antibody based immunity, in order for them to be effective, there's a limited number of targets places that they combine to on the spike protein to block the ability of the virus to infect other cells and neutralize the virus. And the thing is that those it's really turned out to be complex. There's been some fascinating science done in the Joya Institute of Allergy and Immunology by a large international team mapping all these different domains, and basically what Bill is pointing out is that one of those domains is being mutated so that the antibodies, which normally would be able to bind there aren't binding or aren't binding as efficiently the ones evoked by the vaccine, because remember the vaccine is against the original alpha strain, so it's no longer matched. This is one of the big problems. The truth is that we're vaccinating for yesterday's virus, okay, and so we're generating friends of mine yell at me for getting a flu shot every year, and half of my friends agree, half disagree. And I know it's on average thirty to forty percent effective because they guess what strain it's going to be. So it's kind of it sounds a little similar to that, right, Well, it's a good point, and in fact, there's even more you're even more accurate in talking about flu. That's a super analogy because for a number of reasons, many vaccinologists, myself included, think that over vaccinating for flu is actually not a good thing. One of the things that's kind of a little bit worrisome about this, we're just going to go ahead and give everybody a jab every six month strategy is there's a thing called high zone tolerance and another thing called original energenic sin. So those are fancy immunology words, but what they equate to is that more is not always better with vaccines. More vaccination, more frequent vaccination can in some cases, actually make it so that you're less able to mount an immune response against a pathogen. I'm running out a time, unfortune, and I rarely give a full hour of my program to any one person. But I mean, considering you're up to your eyeballs and all of this, and you know, play the key role discovering the mr mRNA technology to build out the the vaccines Maderna and Visa. I just think that, you know, I want everybody to put this in the category of information. Take it seriously. Talk to your doctor. Doctors look at your unique medical history, your current condition, talk to your doctor and make the make the right decision for you. Um and I just want everybody to be informed and smart and safe and uh, you know obviously now I and now I understand after all of this, why people spend their entire lives studying one virus. It's crazy. It's crazy to me, M But I appreciate you being on the program. Doctor Well, I hope you'll come back again. And uh, we you know, you should really take a bow. I mean, you know, for the people that you know you pointed out absolutely need this vaccine. Sixty five call morbidities, pre existing conditions, compromised immune systems. You know, you're very clear on it, and I appreciate your forth rightness on it. I'm glad to be on your program anytime, my friend. Thank you, and it'd be good all right, Thank you, sir, Doctor Robert Malone. Fascinating. Let's talk to your doctor. There's a lot to learn. I mean, every time I think I know something, I am learning more. Quick break right back