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I will tell you these days, I am doing both or all three. I am making the news talking about the news that have been in the news. Having said that, of course, not only my counsel to the President the United States, as Mayor Giuliani is I am also the chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice, and we have a case that is in the news fact right now. It is a lead story on Drudge and it's a case an issue that we've been talking about a lot. In fact, Sean has been talking about it as well. And that is the case of Andrew Brunson, the American Christian pastor. He's been in Turkey for twenty three years. He was picked up after the coup in Turkey two years ago and was put in jail. Uh The charge against him was christianization. That is actually in the indictment. We're gonna talk about that because the lead right now on Drudge report, and this is true, is Turkey's economy on the brink. This could be the most expensive pastor in world history, the billion dollar pastor in one sense. I mean, it's hard to believe that Turkey is letting itself get to this point. I mean, this supposed to be a NATO ally after all, the get to this point because they're so entrenched on keeping this pastor in Turkey. Now, I will say that some good news and that has been released to home confinement so that certainly was better than being in a Turkish jail. I am bringing in some of our experts at the American Center for Law and Justice to address this issue. Jordan Seculo is our executive director. It's also my son. Andy Economy is a senior counsel for the a c l J, and it's very involved in the issues involving the Middle East and Turkey. Harry Hutchinson is our director of Public Policy. Jordan, let's go to the latest to start with you here from the standpoint of the pastors, incarceration will get into the economy and Turkey being impacted about this. But why don't you give everybody the latest report on where the case is because it changes literally on a daily basis. Right now, he's on house arrest. Yes, that's a much better situation you you would to be in as an individual. You know, we've had these situations where people are coming right out of that prison environment back to reality and and outside of it that that can be tougher. So he's remember this is his home, long term home there, so while he's confined, uh, and so under house arrest, this is a familiar place. That being said, it's still confined so he's still being detained by a NATO ally and and and by Turkey by the government. In this situation, the case has not been dropped. The the the the the move and and I'd say that every day he's there. Now, the Turkish media which is in these reports about the economy, it's NonStop. We're not so used to it here. It's become in the in the news more and more so people are getting more familiar with Andrew Brunson's name. But for two years he has been battered around the Turkish press to the point where it is not safe for him to be on the streets anymore. It's someone who lived there for twenty three years. That is the situation he is in. So every moment he has to stay in Turkey, even with the security he's got is dangerous. We's got eighteen Turkish security guards around his house right now. I mean eighteen. I mean just think about that, protecting him from an environment that the Turkish government Urtawan created. Now again I'm gonna go to Andy Economo, who is the senior Council has been very involved in this case. Andy, you you speak a lot of languages. You were able to translate the Turkish, this pastor, the charge against him is actually I mean, folks, this is the reality of what you're dealing with. Everybody, of course when they get arrested in these situations, there a spy, it's espionage, their a c I agent. That's the allegations. But in this one, in addition to making you know what the basis upon that was, it's called Christianization, and he that is the actual charge in the indictment. Yes, that's exactly correct, Jay. What they're charging this pastor with is the Christianization of the Turkish Republic or the attempt to christianizeh the Turkish people. And this is under ridiculous charge. It is no crime. The Turkish constitution provides, at least publicly and for purposes of popular consumption, uh, freedom of religion and worship. But that's not the case for the for the minorities in Turkey. I'm Greek, I can tell you it's not the case for the Greek minorities in Turkey, and say especially for the beleaguer to commenical patriarch in Constantinople and Estembul. That is not the case. And so what Pastor Brunson is being charged with is something that is not a crime but has been concocted by the Urduan regime. Everdonan being basically a dictator today in Turkey, and he is being charged with Christianization. A horrible thing to be charged with something that uh, that is not as I said, and a penal offense in Turkey. Let me go to Harry Hutchinson East, our director of policy at the American Center for Law, and just again, this is Jason Kalama in for my great friend Sean Hannity. They give him a day off, Linda gave him a day off. You do that often only when I absolutely have to see there you go to a wedding. There you go, well, that's a good thing to be going to. It's good to have celebrations. So I'm glad, glad he's having a good family time at a at a wedding. That's great, and I'm glad that I'm here also with my colleague Rudy Giuliani. We're gonna get back into some of those news items, but I wanted to really cover this because, look, this is a case where this is an American being held captain. The President has been very aggressive about requesting and demanding I would say, did requestings not the right We're demanding this pastor's release, and he has put sanctions in place because of the way the Turkish government is acting. Harry Hutchinson is our director of Policy at the a c l J is also professor of Law and Economics, and uh, Harry, it is fair to say, Professor Hutchinson, that the sanctions that the president has put in place here are having a dramatic impact on the Turkish economy. In fact, on the Drudge Report, it says Turkey on an economic brink. Jay, you are absolutely correct. Turkey is edging closer and closer to a full blown financial meltdown as President Trump has authorized a doubling of some tariffs on Turkish products. The Turkish currency plunged by seventeen percent today, reaching another record low as stocks slid by as much as nine percent. Turkey is gripped by an economic contagion. In part this is fueled by inflation and foreign debt. Most investment analysts are urging their clients to pull their assets out of Turkey immediately as Turkey faces runaway inflation and unrestrained foreign debt. As the Turkish lira continues to fall in value, the value a foreign denominated debt rises, placing even more pressure on the Turkish government. You know, you look at the situation and you try to say to yourself, why in the world with Turkey suffer that they're put themselves in this kind of situation, economic suffering that they're going for over this. And I'm gonna go right back to Jordan's secure in this. You look at the situation, as Harry just said, I mean, they're doing this for what for a pastor to be kept in jail for a false charge. What we're saying is Turkish strong man who is not acting rationally more. And we've talked about how he has braced embraced Islamic politics and so so blending those two and kind of towed this line between somewhat radical but still isis is an enemy. But then what's his statement on this ultimately about the fall of the economy. It's not economic or financial, it's invoking religion. So he says, quote, if they have their dollars, we have our people and our God. And I point out two things. One in in our country, uh, we we have our national motto, uh in God, we trust in our pledge of allegiance, we of one nation under God. So I don't think you know that these statements alone, but we know what he's really saying there in Turkey. He is invoking a new kind of politics in Turkey. He's been doing it over years and now even when it comes to finances, which ultimately these strong men are usually that's their concern. But we've also talked about the idea that the new allies he's tried to make are never very good allies. The Russians, Uh, they're trying to work with Iran. They don't they don't bail you out if if they've got nothing in return. You know, in Syria, the Russians have a warm water base. As long as they can keep that, Uh, that's worthwhile for them to keep fighting. In Turkey. If the economy starts falling apart, then they are gonna come in and save an urdwan who's still by the way, government is is a member of NATO, which the Russians can't stand. That's is the irony of all of this, of course, is that the Turks and the Russians have an ongoing feud. They're a NATO ally of the United States, within the NATO partnership, and they're certainly not acting like it. It's become an Islamic regime. That's what it is. I mean, that's where it's gone. Unfortunately, this is not the Turkey and the economy of out a Turk. Now, this is not the Turkey of addit turk j. These men are simply Islamist wearing suits, coats and ties. The additor or a suit code in the time. But he tried to bring Turkey into the Western into the then twentieth century. So um, everyone needs to wake up. He needs to realize that he may have God. Um. But it's a good idea to get a local financial advisor to Yeah, and I don't think it's the guy that we're used to, and he certainly could use a financial advisor. So Harry, let me ask you this, your professor of law and economics, What in the why would they put themselves in this situation over this pastor well, I think for political, ideological and religious reasons. President Urduwan suffers, in my opinion, from illusions of grandeur. But President Trump is responding with maximum pressure, maximum economic pressure. Urduwan has responded with defiance. Meanwhile, his country and its people are suffering massively. This will lead, in my opinion, ultimately to a climb down by the Turkish leader. I think you're right, Jordan, really quickly here as we get ready to go to a break in a minute, unless it's important. We've handled these cases before with this Sudanese. We've handled him with the Iranians. You would have never thought that Turkey would be this difficult, you know. I mean President Urawad built himself palaces. Uh well, you know, while the economy was on an upswing, you would think that's what he actually cared about. I mean, honestly, I mean that he the strong man kind of leader, would be more important to protect his palace. At this point, though, you see, he's embracing a radical uh Islamic message. We kept kind of we've kept discussing this. How far is he gonna go with this, this angle of using Islam up to his political purposes. But I'll tell you someone's been there in Turkey. I don't think that sells to to enough people there to keep him in power. And these guys, as we can see, they may have a lot of power. They may pull out these coups, these phony coups, whatever is happening there. But ultimately, if the economy fall is the way it's falling, and it continues to fall. And with President Trump's announcement today on the tariffs, Uh, they don't survive and I mean literally, they do not survive these kind of situations. They either end up in prison like Mohammed Morsey in Egypt or or worse. Yeah, and let me tell you this, folks. I spoke with the President as recently as yesterday on Pastor Brunson's case, and Uh, the President is serious. They're gonna return Andrew Brunson. That's what needs to happen here. It has to happen here. So we'll get more involved and that will keep you posting. And by the way, I want to thank Sean because he's been covering this case for Pastor Brunson's hard to break into the news on these kind of cases when everything else is going on, but the folks here at John Handy's broadcast have done that. We appreciate it. Hey, we're taking a break. When we come back, we're gonna have more with my friend Rudy Giuliani. We're gonna talk about some of the other big news of the day. There's other news in the day today. 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Welcome back to the John Hannity's John Jay Sack Hello, I'm getting to be the host today with my friend Mayor Rudy Giuliani. But we're talking about a major case that we're involved in at the American Center for Law Injustice involving path Sustter Andrew Brunson. We've got in our studio, as I say our, because I have a broadcast to that airs and that is Jordan's secular the executive director of the American Center for Law and Justice, Professor Harry Hutchinson and professor of Law and Economics, and our director of Policy and senior Counsel to the a c l J. And that is Dr Andrew Economa. Let me go right to Jordan here. We're talking about Pastor Andrew Brunson on home arrest right now, which is better than jail, but not quite home yet. I want to go get I'm gonna ask one question. I want everybody to give me your thoughts. I'm gonna start with Jordan's what do you with the economic pressure on Turkey? Now? What do you expect to happen? Right? Well, we know that Turkey is tying directly President Trump's tweet, which he did not do it in the In the tweet announcing the tariffs, but they are in the media and and through the government directly to Pastor Andrew Bruns, as you said earlier, the most expensive pastor in history, to an economy falling apart. And is that going to again make it with the people of Turkey. They're not that radicalized overall, and I think that they may have been okay with a strong man talking Turkish nationalism, but his full brace of almost Islamic, this kind of modern Islamic radicalism, I would call it, is not I just doesn't sell to the people. And I think he's on the brink. He's the one on the brink of a real disaster for himself. So let me ask this to you, uh Andy, your since you've been to Turkey a lot, you know the region, you know the area. What do you think the next thing is here? I think Arian is gonna have to climb down. I mean, I've been to Istanbul several times. It's a western city, essentially a city of seventeen million people. The interior of Turkey is very different the ancient Cappadocian and medieval Cappadocia. The heart of the old Byzantine Empire is different. But the reality is that people are hungry both in Istanbul and people are hungry in the middle part of Turkey, which means that they're not going to tolerate the inflation, They're not going to tolerate the economic hardships in Aradan is gonna have to climb down, but you're gonna have to give him some face saving device. So, Harry, from an economic standpoint that the impact on the lear, the impact on the economy already has been significant, what do you think happens next? Well, I think Jay, You're absolutely correct. The econom me as cratering, the Lira is plunging, investors are fleeing, and sanctions and tariffs are working. So I think there will indeed be a climb down by the Turkish president despite his current defiance. Ultimately, he will have to answer to his people, and his people are hurting immensely. I think that's the reality. I appreciate everybody's opinions on that. Let me again say a huge thank you to Sean and the whole team here at the Sean Hannity Show for covering this story. And I think, look, I think we're gonna get this pastor home to the United States very very soon. I can't give you, and I'm not good at predicting dates, especially in these kind of cases. You can because there's so many ups and downs. But I still think with all this going on, at the end of the day, we're gonna get there, which is gonna take. It may take a week, it may take a month, but we're gonna get there. Anyways, We've got a lot more to discuss with me taking calls as well. At seven three two six, that's eight under one. Sean, my co host, will be back with me in just moments that as Mayor Root Giuliani, who's also my co counsel representing the President of the United States. We have some news we'll talk about there. You may have heard some things, a couple of things, just a few things, so we'll get to those when we come back from the break. Stay tuned. Hey, welcome back to the Sean Hannity Program. Everybody. I'm Jay Sekulo, co hosting with my good friend, the former mayor of the Great City of New York, Mayor Rudy Giuliani. But for today's purposes, more importantly, I will say former U S Attorney, former senior member of the United States Department of Justice and my colleague and co counsel in a fairly important case, a very important case that's going on right now, and he is our co host today and we're both co hosting for Sean Mayor. I want to talk to you about UH, an issue that you and I are dealing with, and we'll start this and let you UH pontificate some here. But you're saying that's important. We have you and I've handled a lot of media over the last couple of days on the issue of what everybody wants to talk about and the way if you want to talk about it, you can call us at eight to six or one, Shawn. And that is the issue of a presidential interview, and there's a lot of issues that go into that, Rudy, and a lot of discussion that takes place, and a lot of legal analysis. Let's kind of get everybody up to speed on where we are. So there are two things that have to deal with, as you know, j because we deal with it every day. One is just the normal representation of a person who is in some way under investigation, although they're very fudgy about what it's about. So far, no crime suggested UH. And he has rights and they have to be protected. The second, he's the president of United States, so he has prerogatives that have to be protected, not just for him, but the future presidents. So it's very, very complicated. And we also have a client who wants to be heard. He has felt from the very beginning, and he's right, he's done nothing wrong, that he should be able to tell his story and they should believe him. On the other hand, he also knows that he doesn't exactly have an unbiased group of people. They have a problem indicated to us even in our discussions, a preference for Comey, a preference for some of these other people. The whole root of the investigation is corrupt. The going back to the Dosier and uh struck people who hate him, A counterintelligence investigation that I can't figure out how they ever did it, fies of wires that somebody should get prosecuted for perjury and getting them uh. All of that taints the investigation. So we have a lot to consider. You know, I said from the outset that the the corruption started this investigation. Actually, if you look at the the the just the beginning of the investigation, the inception of the investigation, the corruption ran very deep, and then it continue to permeate. And if you start just go through the what I call the parade to horribles. I mean, just look at the issues. This is why we you know, you and I keep calling this an irregular investigation. Well, and that's being kind. Actually that's that's it's being courteous, because look at the irregularity. It starts with the dossier that even James Comb he admits is selacious and unverified. We now find out that the author of that was Christopher Steele, who just happened to be hired by Fusion GPS, who happened to be hired by the Clinton campaign, who was working with Bruce or the number four the United States Department of Justice wife Nelly or she was working for Fusion GPS, and just happened to be working on the putting together the dossier. Now, okay, you could not make that up, except then it gets better, and that is you have the lead investigator and the conversations he had with Lisa Page, and you've got the whole Strock Page incident. Then you got the insurance policy with Andy McKay. We must get it. What's the insurance policy? Now, a lot of the people that that we're the FBI are now gone, that we're involved in this. But the truth is that Peter Strock, the agent Rudy, was the lead investigator for the Special Counsel's office, And I keep talking about what been to that evidence that they gathered even though he was you know, they'll say, well, he was subsequently fired. True, But what happened to that evidence that he gathered during that year and a half he was on the investigation because he predates the actual Mueller appointment And we talked about in the law the pruit of the poison, his treatment. It's serious when you you can't even the irregularities here are so in depth it's it's really hard to put your head around it. I would describe this as an investigation born in corruption. It's a corrupt dossier that is crying out for real investigation if you're talking about collusion to effect an investigation paying a foreigner as Hillary did to produce a false dossier on Donald Trump's so far the biggest crime that's been committed with regard to the election that is provable. And then that dossier is used as the basis for the wire tabs that fis the wires, and then when they know it's full, so they don't correct it. They go back to the judge and they keep repeating it. Now, some judge has got to be going out of his mind, even worse than Judge Ellis, because that judge was made a fool of and the five process was completely made a mockery of by this false dossier. So it spawns an investigation. The investigation produces no evidence of anything involving President Trump and Russians, and somehow Coley comes along and makes it into a criminal investigation. And now we know that the criminal investigation itself. Of course, we also have to put in there that James Comey said that he created this memo after his meeting with the president, leaked it to the press for the sole appointment of getting a special counsel, which was miraculously appointed. Now could you imagine, and you were a U S attorney, Rudy, and you were also a high ranking Justice Department official, I worked for Treasury and beginning my legal career, could you imagine if an I S agent or an FBI agent were to release their three or two form to the press, what would happen to those agents. Well, those who have been have been indicted and prosecuted and convicted. It's a it's a crime to do it. And uh, in this particular case, it wasn't accidental. This was a planned, completely thought out, corrupt scheme on the part of Comey. So it didn't come from him. It came from this professor. I mean, imagine the skullduggery of this man. He and then he wants us to believe that the memo was accurate about the Flynn conversation. He he wants us to believe that at the time of the Flynn conversation he felt that he was being obstructed. However, he never told anybody about it. He never reported it. If he didn't report, it's to misprison of a felony because as an FBI director he had to report it. He then he testifies under rows after it and before he releases the memo, that he had not been obstructed in any way. You can have Jared on later Greg jarted. He says, it's not happened in my experience under oath. Right, he's now contradicting that. In other words, he can lied under oath. So they want this guy to be the the arbiter of truth and they're not investigating him for his crimes. I mean, this is really corrupt. Supposedly there's an office. Yeah, well, there's the Inspector General's report that is supposedly coming involving James Comy. We haven't seen it yet, and I'm hearing and you're hearing the same things we're hearing. But September October, so that may come out and we'll see the last one was pretty tough on Andrew McCabe. Interestingly, he's no longer with the Department of Justice. James Comedy is no longer with the Department of Justice. Ribicky's no longer with the department. Yeah, I mean you get that. There's been quite a lit at least a page all gone. Yeah. Homy wants us to believe that Trump had this conversation with him about Flynt, that he felt that there was an obstruction of justice, a serious federal felony, but he never reported it, never told McCabe about it, because McCabe also testified that there was no obstruction as he did, and that he testified falsely under oath. I mean, he can't he can't be obstructed. Three months later, he can't remember the conversation three months later and say, oh my god, he tried to obstruct me. I mean, this is so phony. If it weren't for the fact that the president has these CNN and MSNBC and all these people that are just dying to interpret everything against him, people would be demanding an investigation to call me. You know, it's interesting because if you look at this, we're gonna talk with you mentioned Greg Jared, our friend Greg Jared. It's got a great book out by the way, the Russian Hoax, and everybody needs to be reading. It's a great, great book. I'm underlining it. I bet you are, and I got an early copy, so we all have. Let me say that we're gonna get into that with Greg. I want to talk about a lot of that because it's important. But you know, people need to understand also that we are trying to handle and you understand this. You you've got competing interests when when you talk about an interview, so that the question today is the interview of the president. Will the president submit to an interview? And I want to be very clear in this. We have raised and have have raised this really since the beginning of my representation, which is going back over a year now that there are significant Article two issues, I mean really significant Article two issues. Do you think a U. S. Attorney, for instance, should be able to subpoena a president of the United States to discuss the reason why he made a policy move or a decision to fire a subordinate I don't. If that's the case, well, then why couldn't every U. S. Attorney in every district who has a beef with a particular president started issuing subpoenas and that the president, instead of running the government, ends up responding to subpoena's. That's not the way it's supposed to be. Our founders knew that, and that's why they have political process in there. It's not a legal process. They're not gonna be a trial here, but people have to understand that we have to go through a real process of analysis in coming to these conclusions. Rudy about whether what our recommendation is we were regarding an interview. Obviously, when the Special Council sent us the last proposal, obviously we didn't accept it, so we counter. We're not going to get into the contents of that counter that would be appropriate, But there's a lot of factors that go into this. There are a lot of factors go into it, and not the least of which is you have to evaluate the good faith of the people who are seeking to question him. Do you really have a chance of persuading them, or have they made up their minds already and they're just trying to set him up. A great example we talked about Flynn is Flynn, the President of the United States, says he never had that conversation with Comey. Comey says that he did. You know, both of us would be perfectly comfortable if he had had the conversation, right. He said nothing wrong. He didn't say you must drop the case, which you could do. He said you should think about it. You should give him a break, which many people have said to me when I was a prosecutor. We know Comy didn't think of it as obstruction because he would have reported it. So we have a very good defense on the facts. But the fact is the President insists I never had that conversation. So now we put him, We put him in front of We put him in front of Mueller. Mueller asked him that question. He says, no, I didn't have the conversation and then they say, oh, we believe the liar Comey now here here, we're almost at a disadvantage because there's no trial. They'd never charge him in an indictment with it because Comey couldn't withstand cross examination. He gave a private prior statement under oath contrary to that. All Right, we're gonna be back with a lot more on j Sekulo in with Rudy Giuliani. We are hosting for Sean Hannity. He's taking a break for one day. They gave him a day off, Linda gave him off
