It's one of the oldest rivalries in footy, but the team starts with Isaac's work with the elderly... and wonder if he does anything other than the Thursday Rub.

Jay Z has an idea for a segment Isaac can run, then it's news time - as Oscar Allen holds a press conference to apologise for meeting with Sam Mitchell. The team wonder if it's all been a massive overreaction.

Pressure is mounting on the Blues, then it's time for Kathy's Questions.

Carlton assistant coach Jordan Russell joins the show, as does Collingwood high-flyer Jeremy Howe.

Triple M Footy's Thursday Rub is Jack Heverin, Isaac Smith, Kate McCarthy and Jay Clark