In this episode, we're joined by Doug Burghum, the Secretary of the Interior and former Governor of North Dakota. From his humble beginnings as a young man from a small town in North Dakota to building a successful software company that was acquired by Microsoft, Doug's journey is a testament to the power of risk-taking and innovation.

As Secretary of the Interior, Doug is responsible for managing the nation's public lands, natural resources, and cultural heritage. He shares his insights on the importance of balancing recreational activities like rock climbing with the need to protect wildlife habitats. He also discusses the new climbing rules announced by the Department of Interior, which aim to strike a balance between these competing interests.

Doug's conversation with Ross also delves into his experiences as a successful entrepreneur and his transition to public service. He talks about the importance of taking calculated risks and making tough decisions, citing his own story of mortgaging his family's farm to start his software company. He also highlights the need for a more balanced approach to energy production, citing the example of Colorado, which is missing out on revenue and economic opportunities due to its anti-energy policies.

In this episode, you'll hear Doug's unique perspective on the intersection of energy policy, economic development, and public lands management. He shares his insights on how states like Colorado can benefit from a more balanced approach to energy production and how this can drive economic growth and innovation. Join us as we explore these important topics and more with Secretary Doug Burghum.