With 3 Grammy wins, 16 million albums sold, and 30 years of experience, the members of Hanson have learned a thing or two about creativity and resistance. In this episode, they emphasize the importance of being present and the difficulties of differentiating oneself from one's work.

Madi Diaz: Optimism as a choice
27:52

Natalie and Meegan Closner of Joseph on the pains of creative evolution
34:12

Paloma Young on the cost of always being available
38:37