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Hello, and welcome to the Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. I'm I'm not even going to say it anyway. I've got an absolutely massive show for you today. Yes, the Caravan of terror, it has all been officially revealed. Plus what is going on with Donald Trump? Again, it's basically the same topic every week. But steel tariffs? Are they on? Are they off? Are they on? Are they off? Well now it seems that they're on. And do we really care? Is it that big a deal? And do we do what Donald Trump wants us to do to get the steel tariffs taken off? And we're going to find out what is going on in Southwest Sydney. This is a little yarn, little exclusive that I broke just last week, but it's something that's been bubbling under the radar for a very long time. And I'll tell you all about that and much much more right after this. So first up this week, I want to talk about this story that I have been absolutely drowning in, marinating in right, doing a deep dive in. And this is a story in Southwest Sydney where a movement called the Muslim Vote has been mobilizing to run against the Labor Party. And he might have heard of this, but the Muslim Vote, it's kind of like, it's kind of like Muslim teals, right. So they're not a political party, they say, but they're a movement and they provide funding and support and kind of you know, branding to candidates that they think align with their values, candidates that just miraculously appear. And the biggest target they've got in their sites is Tony Burke. Now Tony Burke is the Home Affairs men. He represents the seat of Watson in Southwest Sydney, and Watson has a huge Muslim population. It's about twenty five percent a bit over twenty five percent of the population in the electorate of Watson is Muslim. It's centered around sort of punch Bowl and the Camber, so the real sort of Muslim heartlands of Southwest Sydney. And this is where things get really interesting, because the Muslim vote is angry at the Labor Party for being too pro Israel. Yes, if you're anyone on the sort of right side of the dial in politics, you think, hang on a minute, isn't everyone angry at the Labor Party for being too pro Palestine. Well, yes they are, except these guys. So, according to the Muslim Vote movement, the Labor Party isn't doing enough, despite having supported Palestine in the UNS, despite having supported accelerating the process for Palestinian statehood, even in the wake of the October seven terror attack, despite being accused of the Jewish community in Australia of not doing enough on anti Semitism and being too slow to respond and being too soft on Palestine in the UN. Despite all this, the Muslim Vote says, no, no, no, no, no, or contre monfrere, You're not doing enough. You're actually not pro Palestine enough. You are too pro Israel. Again, this will be news to most of the Jewish community, but when you're on the kind of hard line of politics, you're never satisfied. That's why hardliners are so incredibly annoying. Anyway, So the Muslim Vote is mobilizing these candidates in Southwest Sydney, and it's a very interesting and potentially explosive scenario. But the candidate they're running in the seat of Watson is a guy, a doctor called Ziad Basuni, and I'm I'm sure he's a lovely bloke and everything. He did, unfortunately share a Facebook post celebrating the October seven terror attacks that emerged in the press in September, but he says he didn't mean it. It wasn't like he was. He said, as a doctor and as a Muslim and as a human being, I do not endorse the killing of civilians. So that's nice to know, fantastic, not just as a doctor. As a doctor, I do not support killing people. That's good to know, but also as a Muslim, as a human being, so that's fine. And I guess a lot of people have done dumb stuff or whatever. But the Liberal Party came out at that time and said that this guy had no place in the parliament. So Peter Dutton himself went on two GB and said, this kind of person has no place in our parliament, this person sharing these terrible posts, this this doctor Zi running in the seat of Watson against Tony Burke, no place in our parliament. Very strong on that, and Peter Dutton's been very strong on national security imposed Palestinian refugees coming to this country in the wake of Israel's retaliation against the October seventh terror attack, said, oh where all the security, very strong on national security, very strong on Israel, very strong supporter of the Jewish community, Peter Dutton. So why then is the Liberal Party in talks with the Muslim vote to do a preference deal, to preference each other over the Labor Party, Because that is what is happening. These guys are meeting up with each other. And I busted this story. I had to bust it because some other journal was sniffing around and I had to get it out there. So I had to break the yarn in the middle of Bloody Cyclone Alfred presentatives. I'm not gonna I'm not going to name all the names, but representatives of the candidate in Watson and the Liberal Party have been meeting up with a very high profile local liberal identity. And I've been told in the House of that very high profile liberal identity. But again I'm not gonna. I don't want to get into sort of personalities because I'm a nice guy. I like everybody. But these guys have been meeting up, and we've been meeting up to talk about putting Labor last. They've been meeting up to talk about both the Liberals and the Muslim vote, putting Labor lasts on their how to vote cards right now. The meaning of that obviously to anyone with Harper brain, and they will say, oh no, no, it's not a preferenceal it's not a preferencial. We're just both putting Labor last. Yes, But the meaning of putting Labor last is of course that you preference that other party ahead of the Labor Party, which is the only party that could potentially win that seat except for you guessed it, the Muslim vote. So what happens if Labor is last is that Tony Burke, who last time around won the election just on primaries, but this time probably won't. So he got about i think fifty to fifty one percent last time around, So just on primaries he wins that seat with preferences, it's just a monster's like he's got it by fifteen percent. But the Muslim vote candidate's on about fifteen to twenty percent right now, you think fifteen to twenty percent. How can that possibly rival Tony Burke on fifty percent. Well, this is how the preferential system works. As I'm sure most of you will know. If this guy just stays in the game until everyone else drops out, and everyone else gives him their preferences. Then he collects basically all the other votes combined. So Tony Burke doesn't just have to beat the Muslim vote candidate who on primaries he's probably got done by about three to one. He has to beat that guy plus everyone else combined. So here's how it works. You've got Tony Burke and doctor ziad on, you know, fifty percent and fifteen percent say right, no problem, may't but the party that gets the lowest number of votes gets knocked out and all their preferences then start to flow. So this guy will beat If he's on fifteen percent, he has beaten the Greens, he will beat the Greens. Let's say that get about ten percent right now, the Greens, all those preferences will flow to the Muslim vote before they go to the Labor Party. So you knock out the Greens. Suddenly this guy goes from being on fifteen to twenty percent to being on twenty five to thirty percent right now, that would put him ahead of the Liberal Party candidate. And this is where things get really interesting. So if the Liberals are doing a preference deal, if they're putting labor last and putting the Muslim vote ahead of the Labor Party on their how to vote card. Then someone who is just filling out their ballot looking at the Liberal I'm a Liberal voter. I'm just going to vote the way they tell me to. They're just going to look at that card and they're going to fill it out the way that the Liberal Party how to vote card tells them to. And here's the kicker, because the Muslim vote is not a party, it's just a movement.

Hello, and welcome to the Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. I'm I'm not even going to say it anyway. I've got an absolutely massive show for you today. Yes, the Caravan of terror, it has all been officially revealed. Plus what is going on with Donald Trump? Again, it's basically the same topic every week. But steel tariffs? Are they on? Are they off? Are they on? Are they off? Well now it seems that they're on. And do we really care? Is it that big a deal? And do we do what Donald Trump wants us to do to get the steel tariffs taken off? And we're going to find out what is going on in Southwest Sydney. This is a little yarn, little exclusive that I broke just last week, but it's something that's been bubbling under the radar for a very long time. And I'll tell you all about that and much much more right after this. So first up this week, I want to talk about this story that I have been absolutely drowning in, marinating in right, doing a deep dive in. And this is a story in Southwest Sydney where a movement called the Muslim Vote has been mobilizing to run against the Labor Party. And he might have heard of this, but the Muslim Vote, it's kind of like, it's kind of like Muslim teals, right. So they're not a political party, they say, but they're a movement and they provide funding and support and kind of you know, branding to candidates that they think align with their values, candidates that just miraculously appear. And the biggest target they've got in their sites is Tony Burke. Now Tony Burke is the Home Affairs men. He represents the seat of Watson in Southwest Sydney, and Watson has a huge Muslim population. It's about twenty five percent a bit over twenty five percent of the population in the electorate of Watson is Muslim. It's centered around sort of punch Bowl and the Camber, so the real sort of Muslim heartlands of Southwest Sydney. And this is where things get really interesting, because the Muslim vote is angry at the Labor Party for being too pro Israel. Yes, if you're anyone on the sort of right side of the dial in politics, you think, hang on a minute, isn't everyone angry at the Labor Party for being too pro Palestine. Well, yes they are, except these guys. So, according to the Muslim Vote movement, the Labor Party isn't doing enough, despite having supported Palestine in the UNS, despite having supported accelerating the process for Palestinian statehood, even in the wake of the October seven terror attack, despite being accused of the Jewish community in Australia of not doing enough on anti Semitism and being too slow to respond and being too soft on Palestine in the UN. Despite all this, the Muslim Vote says, no, no, no, no, no, or contre monfrere, You're not doing enough. You're actually not pro Palestine enough. You are too pro Israel. Again, this will be news to most of the Jewish community, but when you're on the kind of hard line of politics, you're never satisfied. That's why hardliners are so incredibly annoying. Anyway, So the Muslim Vote is mobilizing these candidates in Southwest Sydney, and it's a very interesting and potentially explosive scenario. But the candidate they're running in the seat of Watson is a guy, a doctor called Ziad Basuni, and I'm I'm sure he's a lovely bloke and everything. He did, unfortunately share a Facebook post celebrating the October seven terror attacks that emerged in the press in September, but he says he didn't mean it. It wasn't like he was. He said, as a doctor and as a Muslim and as a human being, I do not endorse the killing of civilians. So that's nice to know, fantastic, not just as a doctor. As a doctor, I do not support killing people. That's good to know, but also as a Muslim, as a human being, so that's fine. And I guess a lot of people have done dumb stuff or whatever. But the Liberal Party came out at that time and said that this guy had no place in the parliament. So Peter Dutton himself went on two GB and said, this kind of person has no place in our parliament, this person sharing these terrible posts, this this doctor Zi running in the seat of Watson against Tony Burke, no place in our parliament. Very strong on that, and Peter Dutton's been very strong on national security imposed Palestinian refugees coming to this country in the wake of Israel's retaliation against the October seventh terror attack, said, oh where all the security, very strong on national security, very strong on Israel, very strong supporter of the Jewish community, Peter Dutton. So why then is the Liberal Party in talks with the Muslim vote to do a preference deal, to preference each other over the Labor Party, Because that is what is happening. These guys are meeting up with each other. And I busted this story. I had to bust it because some other journal was sniffing around and I had to get it out there. So I had to break the yarn in the middle of Bloody Cyclone Alfred presentatives. I'm not gonna I'm not going to name all the names, but representatives of the candidate in Watson and the Liberal Party have been meeting up with a very high profile local liberal identity. And I've been told in the House of that very high profile liberal identity. But again I'm not gonna. I don't want to get into sort of personalities because I'm a nice guy. I like everybody. But these guys have been meeting up, and we've been meeting up to talk about putting Labor last. They've been meeting up to talk about both the Liberals and the Muslim vote, putting Labor lasts on their how to vote cards right now. The meaning of that obviously to anyone with Harper brain, and they will say, oh no, no, it's not a preferenceal it's not a preferencial. We're just both putting Labor last. Yes, But the meaning of putting Labor last is of course that you preference that other party ahead of the Labor Party, which is the only party that could potentially win that seat except for you guessed it, the Muslim vote. So what happens if Labor is last is that Tony Burke, who last time around won the election just on primaries, but this time probably won't. So he got about i think fifty to fifty one percent last time around, So just on primaries he wins that seat with preferences, it's just a monster's like he's got it by fifteen percent. But the Muslim vote candidate's on about fifteen to twenty percent right now, you think fifteen to twenty percent. How can that possibly rival Tony Burke on fifty percent. Well, this is how the preferential system works. As I'm sure most of you will know. If this guy just stays in the game until everyone else drops out, and everyone else gives him their preferences. Then he collects basically all the other votes combined. So Tony Burke doesn't just have to beat the Muslim vote candidate who on primaries he's probably got done by about three to one. He has to beat that guy plus everyone else combined. So here's how it works. You've got Tony Burke and doctor ziad on, you know, fifty percent and fifteen percent say right, no problem, may't but the party that gets the lowest number of votes gets knocked out and all their preferences then start to flow. So this guy will beat If he's on fifteen percent, he has beaten the Greens, he will beat the Greens. Let's say that get about ten percent right now, the Greens, all those preferences will flow to the Muslim vote before they go to the Labor Party. So you knock out the Greens. Suddenly this guy goes from being on fifteen to twenty percent to being on twenty five to thirty percent right now, that would put him ahead of the Liberal Party candidate. And this is where things get really interesting. So if the Liberals are doing a preference deal, if they're putting labor last and putting the Muslim vote ahead of the Labor Party on their how to vote card. Then someone who is just filling out their ballot looking at the Liberal I'm a Liberal voter. I'm just going to vote the way they tell me to. They're just going to look at that card and they're going to fill it out the way that the Liberal Party how to vote card tells them to. And here's the kicker, because the Muslim vote is not a party, it's just a movement.

Like the deals just moves in the breeze.

Like the deals just moves in the breeze.

There's not any identification that this guy is from the Muslim vote. So if you're a Liberal voter, you think, oh yeah, like mating with the Liberal Party. I'm not too sure about these crazy Muslims though. Well, A, you probably shouldn't be living in bunch bowl or looking at but B you're not going to know that this guy is from the Muslim vote. So even if you're aware that there's some kind of controversy about these guys, or you're not too comfortable about, you know, a solely religiously affiliated movement or a movement that's all about it overseas foreign conflict. Running for the Australian Parliament on that platform, you're not going to see that. You're just going to see this guy's name. So if you're following the Liberal how to vote card, there's going to be nothing on the how to vote card and nothing on the ballot paper that actually even tells you this guy is from them was a vote, so you're just going to fill it out, right. So if you're just filling out your ballot paper the way that the how to vote card tells you to, your preferences also flow to this guy. So first he picks up the Greens, then he picks up the Liberals, as long as he stays ahead. Then suddenly this guy's on like fifty percent of the vote, and it's fifty to fifty. It's neck and neck with Tony Burke, the Home Affairs Minister. And this could potentially happen in other seats as well. But this is just an example of what's happening with their most high profile target. And this is what the Liberal Party is doing. This is what they are actually engineering. They are in talks, they are talking to these guys. It hasn't quite the deal hasn't quite been sealed, but I'm told by every involved and No one has denied this. No one has denied this, all the kerfuffle, all the text messages. I've been told that Liberals are even offering to help the Labor Party because they're so worried about this going ahead. But no one is denying it. No one's saying, oh no, that's not happening. Peter Dutton himself has said that it's a matter for the party. It's a matter for the party. It's a matter for the party that the party he leads is doing deals to put someone in parliament who he says has no place in the parliament. Oh yeah, but that's not my I'm I'm just the leader of the coalition. That's you know, I'm just the leader of the Liberal Party. Those preference deals, that's a matter for the party, don't really check out. So again, I have no beef with any of the parties involved. Got a bit of a soft spot for Tony Burke. I have to say he's a good guy, but a do we really want in this country? And again, there are Christian parties that have been around, the Christian Democrats and Family First and the Democratic Labor Parties split from the Labor Party because it was being infested by communists and they are all Catholics. And you know, so there's been religious elements in political parties in Australia since Australia existed. But do we really want a party or a movement that is solely focused on whose side you take in a conflict that's incredibly ancient and complex taking place on the other side of the world, and having that as their metric for whether or not you should be worthy of, you know, support or annihilation, because that's what they're doing. They're saying they rate all the Labor MPs on how fiercely they have been in support of Palestine and if they haven't been fiercely so stive enough and spoiler alert, none of them have been fiercely supportive enough, apparently, then they have to be killed politically, not literally, but they have to be knocked off so that they are targeting They are putting labor last in any seat that they think they can win where the labor candidate has not been strong enough on Palestine. And guess what, none of them are strong enough on Palestine. Because there will never be a position strong enough on Palestine that a mainstream political party can take that will satisfy them and got out of it. So firstly, the question is do we want that in our politics, do we want that in our parliament. Let's let the people decide. But secondly, the idea that you have a coalition that is branded around being tough on national security, that opposed Palestinian refugees even coming to this country in the wake of the conflict, that has said that it is in lockstep with the Jewish community, that it said that it absolutely one hundred percent supports the state of Israel, and even as we speak, going around spouting an anti Semitic action plan, and it is doing a preference deal with these guys. It is helping to get these guys into the parliament secretly, covertly on the quiet, while at the same time spouting all this stuff about how they're all in with the Jewish community, all in with Israel. This is bonkers. This is bonkers. And I swear to God, if they get away with this stuff, democracy is dead. And now just for a change of pace, just to get back to reality, get back to sanity, get back to normality. Let's talk about Donald trumb Now there is no World War three just yet. Just look, we don't know. By the time this goes to air, maybe there will be World War three. I don't want to get your hopes up, but who knows. But we do look like we are going to miss out on our exemption from steel and aluminium tariffs. And never has steal an aluminium tariffs sounded so sexy. I think you'll agree. So for anyone who missed it, Donald Trump came out a few weeks ago and said, I'm going to put tariffs on everybody. Every country in the world is going to have to pay I think twenty five percent tariff on any exports they have to America. So this involves Australia obviously, because Australia is a country and is applied to all countries. But thankfully, as revealed on this podcast, the Prime Minister already had a phone call scheduled twenty four hours after this announcement was made. So it was incredibly fortuitous, incredibly lucky Kevin Rudd and the US embassy and the PM and the PM's office had set up this phone call to talk to Donald Trump, and this phone call was scheduled just a day after this announcement was made, and so Albow and Trump get on the phone. It goes for longer than expected. It was very very friendly. Everyone's going, this is awesome. And then, of course, as happens or can, hell breaks loose like just everything just a shit storm of just enormous proportions and omni shambles. Right, So Australia of course comes out in support of Ukraine and Zelensky, as we should, because any sane person supports Ukraine and only crazy conspiracy theorists on Twitter support Vladimir Putin. That probably isn't the best look in the world. Trump probably gets a bit cross that we're not all falling into line. But instead of saying actually, no, we're probably not going to go all the way with Ladmir Putin, I think maybe, you know, we might just we might go more sort of more Instagram and less Twitter on this one. And then Malcolm Turnbull says, hold my beer. So Malcolm Turnbull, who let me check my notes, is not the Prime Minister of Australia anymore. In fact, he's about two ago, comes out and has a crack at Donald Trump and calls him, you know, chaotic and erratic and all this stuff. In an interview with Bloomberg TV, ex prime ministers. They'd always suffer from a bit of relevance deprivation syndrome. You put a camera in front of them, they'll say especially and this is a guarantee, this is true of all all people. A foreign camera. So you say, I'm from Bloomberg, I'm from you know, I'm from America. Oh yeah, yeah, Hi, I'm from the Bloomberg Subprime podcast. Hey yeah, America. To just say, oh man, that's it, I'm going international. Anyway, So he gives this interview and says that Trump is chaotic and erratic or whatever, and you know what, guess what, Malcolm, We.

There's not any identification that this guy is from the Muslim vote. So if you're a Liberal voter, you think, oh yeah, like mating with the Liberal Party. I'm not too sure about these crazy Muslims though. Well, A, you probably shouldn't be living in bunch bowl or looking at but B you're not going to know that this guy is from the Muslim vote. So even if you're aware that there's some kind of controversy about these guys, or you're not too comfortable about, you know, a solely religiously affiliated movement or a movement that's all about it overseas foreign conflict. Running for the Australian Parliament on that platform, you're not going to see that. You're just going to see this guy's name. So if you're following the Liberal how to vote card, there's going to be nothing on the how to vote card and nothing on the ballot paper that actually even tells you this guy is from them was a vote, so you're just going to fill it out, right. So if you're just filling out your ballot paper the way that the how to vote card tells you to, your preferences also flow to this guy. So first he picks up the Greens, then he picks up the Liberals, as long as he stays ahead. Then suddenly this guy's on like fifty percent of the vote, and it's fifty to fifty. It's neck and neck with Tony Burke, the Home Affairs Minister. And this could potentially happen in other seats as well. But this is just an example of what's happening with their most high profile target. And this is what the Liberal Party is doing. This is what they are actually engineering. They are in talks, they are talking to these guys. It hasn't quite the deal hasn't quite been sealed, but I'm told by every involved and No one has denied this. No one has denied this, all the kerfuffle, all the text messages. I've been told that Liberals are even offering to help the Labor Party because they're so worried about this going ahead. But no one is denying it. No one's saying, oh no, that's not happening. Peter Dutton himself has said that it's a matter for the party. It's a matter for the party. It's a matter for the party that the party he leads is doing deals to put someone in parliament who he says has no place in the parliament. Oh yeah, but that's not my I'm I'm just the leader of the coalition. That's you know, I'm just the leader of the Liberal Party. Those preference deals, that's a matter for the party, don't really check out. So again, I have no beef with any of the parties involved. Got a bit of a soft spot for Tony Burke. I have to say he's a good guy, but a do we really want in this country? And again, there are Christian parties that have been around, the Christian Democrats and Family First and the Democratic Labor Parties split from the Labor Party because it was being infested by communists and they are all Catholics. And you know, so there's been religious elements in political parties in Australia since Australia existed. But do we really want a party or a movement that is solely focused on whose side you take in a conflict that's incredibly ancient and complex taking place on the other side of the world, and having that as their metric for whether or not you should be worthy of, you know, support or annihilation, because that's what they're doing. They're saying they rate all the Labor MPs on how fiercely they have been in support of Palestine and if they haven't been fiercely so stive enough and spoiler alert, none of them have been fiercely supportive enough, apparently, then they have to be killed politically, not literally, but they have to be knocked off so that they are targeting They are putting labor last in any seat that they think they can win where the labor candidate has not been strong enough on Palestine. And guess what, none of them are strong enough on Palestine. Because there will never be a position strong enough on Palestine that a mainstream political party can take that will satisfy them and got out of it. So firstly, the question is do we want that in our politics, do we want that in our parliament. Let's let the people decide. But secondly, the idea that you have a coalition that is branded around being tough on national security, that opposed Palestinian refugees even coming to this country in the wake of the conflict, that has said that it is in lockstep with the Jewish community, that it said that it absolutely one hundred percent supports the state of Israel, and even as we speak, going around spouting an anti Semitic action plan, and it is doing a preference deal with these guys. It is helping to get these guys into the parliament secretly, covertly on the quiet, while at the same time spouting all this stuff about how they're all in with the Jewish community, all in with Israel. This is bonkers. This is bonkers. And I swear to God, if they get away with this stuff, democracy is dead. And now just for a change of pace, just to get back to reality, get back to sanity, get back to normality. Let's talk about Donald trumb Now there is no World War three just yet. Just look, we don't know. By the time this goes to air, maybe there will be World War three. I don't want to get your hopes up, but who knows. But we do look like we are going to miss out on our exemption from steel and aluminium tariffs. And never has steal an aluminium tariffs sounded so sexy. I think you'll agree. So for anyone who missed it, Donald Trump came out a few weeks ago and said, I'm going to put tariffs on everybody. Every country in the world is going to have to pay I think twenty five percent tariff on any exports they have to America. So this involves Australia obviously, because Australia is a country and is applied to all countries. But thankfully, as revealed on this podcast, the Prime Minister already had a phone call scheduled twenty four hours after this announcement was made. So it was incredibly fortuitous, incredibly lucky Kevin Rudd and the US embassy and the PM and the PM's office had set up this phone call to talk to Donald Trump, and this phone call was scheduled just a day after this announcement was made, and so Albow and Trump get on the phone. It goes for longer than expected. It was very very friendly. Everyone's going, this is awesome. And then, of course, as happens or can, hell breaks loose like just everything just a shit storm of just enormous proportions and omni shambles. Right, So Australia of course comes out in support of Ukraine and Zelensky, as we should, because any sane person supports Ukraine and only crazy conspiracy theorists on Twitter support Vladimir Putin. That probably isn't the best look in the world. Trump probably gets a bit cross that we're not all falling into line. But instead of saying actually, no, we're probably not going to go all the way with Ladmir Putin, I think maybe, you know, we might just we might go more sort of more Instagram and less Twitter on this one. And then Malcolm Turnbull says, hold my beer. So Malcolm Turnbull, who let me check my notes, is not the Prime Minister of Australia anymore. In fact, he's about two ago, comes out and has a crack at Donald Trump and calls him, you know, chaotic and erratic and all this stuff. In an interview with Bloomberg TV, ex prime ministers. They'd always suffer from a bit of relevance deprivation syndrome. You put a camera in front of them, they'll say especially and this is a guarantee, this is true of all all people. A foreign camera. So you say, I'm from Bloomberg, I'm from you know, I'm from America. Oh yeah, yeah, Hi, I'm from the Bloomberg Subprime podcast. Hey yeah, America. To just say, oh man, that's it, I'm going international. Anyway, So he gives this interview and says that Trump is chaotic and erratic or whatever, and you know what, guess what, Malcolm, We.

Know, we know. Look, you're a smart guy. You know, we're a smart country. Everyone everyone knows that he's chaotic and erratic. You don't need to go around saying it, and you don't need to go around saying it publicly at a time when we're trying to get a trade deal with this chaotic and erratic person. What do you think a chaotic and erratic person is going to do in the middle of a trade negotiation when you've just called him chaotic and erratic. I think he's probably going to do something chaotic and erratic. So anyway, Trump, as usual, just does what he does.

Know, we know. Look, you're a smart guy. You know, we're a smart country. Everyone everyone knows that he's chaotic and erratic. You don't need to go around saying it, and you don't need to go around saying it publicly at a time when we're trying to get a trade deal with this chaotic and erratic person. What do you think a chaotic and erratic person is going to do in the middle of a trade negotiation when you've just called him chaotic and erratic. I think he's probably going to do something chaotic and erratic. So anyway, Trump, as usual, just does what he does.

He spokes has come out and said nap, there'll be no there'll be no exemption, there'll be no there'll be no carve out for Australia. And that is in a sense not entirely surprising. Now, we did actually get a carve out from these tariffs, and that was surprise surprise under Malcolm Turnbull's Prime ministership. And it took nine months for us to get that carve out as opposed to the month that we have right now. And you know how we got that carve out. Malcolm Turnbull sucked up to Donald Trump. He did the exact opposite of what we've got to stand up to boys, he told the ABC and then he said, what are you opposing my right to free speech? Said no, Malcolm, we're just opposing you're right to stupid speech. I guess it's just not helping I declare that. But Malcolm turml he got a great deal with Trump on the refugee resettlement, and Trump famously got very angry in his phone call with Malcolm Turmill said, fine, I'll do it, even though it's a stupid deal. Stupid deal. Shouldn't have signed it. But whatever, he'll honor it. And then we got the carve out thanks to Joe Hockey in the US as ambassador, and he worked everything. Greg Norman was probably involved and he managed to get the carve out, but it took a very long time. And throughout and after that process, Malcolm Turmer was there smiling, shaking Donald Trump's hands, saying what a great job he done. It was you know, well, it's embarrassing to watch, but that's the whole point of anyone doing deals with Donald Trump. It's always embarrassing to watch. It would have been embarrassing for Zelenski to just sit there and smile and say thank you very much and accept whatever aid he could get, and maybe ask for a bit more and tell Donald Trump what a great job he was doing and how much he appreciated his support and your crate. It would have been embarrassing to watch. But guess what, it also would have worked. It also many would have been able to sign the deal, get back to Kiev, defend his nation, still have US support now that support has been put on hold. So yeah, sometimes it is a bit embarrassing to do things you don't want to do. Sometimes it is a bit awkward. Sometimes you don't get to say all the things you really want to say, even if they are true, because you're putting the national interest first. But what actually is the national interest when it comes to these steals terariffs. Well, one of the things that Donald Trump wants everybody to do is increase their defense spending. He's sick of America basically being the world's army and having to come and provide all the sweet stuff, all the missiles and the planes and all the nice hardware to all these countries that aren't actually paying for their own military, aren't actually keeping up their military as much as the US is. And on big example of this is obviously in Ukraine, where Europe has as a percentage of its GDP far lower military spending than the US does, and they think, oh, well, we don't have to spend all our money because the US is just going to come to right. And this is a real bugbear for Trump and a whole bunch of Republicans in the US, and they kind of sort of have a point. And in Australia the same thing is happening. We spend about two bit over two percent GDP on the military, and that ends up being about last over fifty billion dollars a year. And our still exports to the US, yes, about four hundred million dollars a year. So if the US slaps a twenty five percent tariff on our steel exports, for example, that suddenly makes that cost five hundred million with an M dollars a year. And what the US wants us to do, if maybe we're going to get some kind of special treatment or exemption, is increase our military spending from two to three percent of our GDP, which is an increase of about fifty percent, which would mean back of the beer coaster solely, but taking it from a bit over fifty billion dollars a year to a bit over seventy five or eighty billion dollars a year. And look, I'm just an art student, but one hundred million dollars with an M extra that the US would have to pay for our steel exports on top of a four hundred million dollars with an M export market for our steel to the US, compared to an extra twenty five to thirty billion dollars with a B that we would have to spend on our army. That kind of doesn't really add up. So a little fun fat. I'm in a WhatsApp group with a bunch of journo mates from different walks of life, different mastertheads, and one of them this week posted a pick of The Australian's front page about how the infamous Caravan of terror in fact seemed to be not a genuine, kind of real and present terrorist threat against the Jewish community, but was in fact this kind of elaborate hoax set up by I somewhat ham fisted organized crime tips from overseas, and they were like, oh ah ah, look see, look at this thing. And it was then that the terrible, terrible, terrible truth dawned on me, and it shook me to my core. I have to say that it was very clear to me at that moment in time that my friends did not subscribe to this podcast.

He spokes has come out and said nap, there'll be no there'll be no exemption, there'll be no there'll be no carve out for Australia. And that is in a sense not entirely surprising. Now, we did actually get a carve out from these tariffs, and that was surprise surprise under Malcolm Turnbull's Prime ministership. And it took nine months for us to get that carve out as opposed to the month that we have right now. And you know how we got that carve out. Malcolm Turnbull sucked up to Donald Trump. He did the exact opposite of what we've got to stand up to boys, he told the ABC and then he said, what are you opposing my right to free speech? Said no, Malcolm, we're just opposing you're right to stupid speech. I guess it's just not helping I declare that. But Malcolm turml he got a great deal with Trump on the refugee resettlement, and Trump famously got very angry in his phone call with Malcolm Turmill said, fine, I'll do it, even though it's a stupid deal. Stupid deal. Shouldn't have signed it. But whatever, he'll honor it. And then we got the carve out thanks to Joe Hockey in the US as ambassador, and he worked everything. Greg Norman was probably involved and he managed to get the carve out, but it took a very long time. And throughout and after that process, Malcolm Turmer was there smiling, shaking Donald Trump's hands, saying what a great job he done. It was you know, well, it's embarrassing to watch, but that's the whole point of anyone doing deals with Donald Trump. It's always embarrassing to watch. It would have been embarrassing for Zelenski to just sit there and smile and say thank you very much and accept whatever aid he could get, and maybe ask for a bit more and tell Donald Trump what a great job he was doing and how much he appreciated his support and your crate. It would have been embarrassing to watch. But guess what, it also would have worked. It also many would have been able to sign the deal, get back to Kiev, defend his nation, still have US support now that support has been put on hold. So yeah, sometimes it is a bit embarrassing to do things you don't want to do. Sometimes it is a bit awkward. Sometimes you don't get to say all the things you really want to say, even if they are true, because you're putting the national interest first. But what actually is the national interest when it comes to these steals terariffs. Well, one of the things that Donald Trump wants everybody to do is increase their defense spending. He's sick of America basically being the world's army and having to come and provide all the sweet stuff, all the missiles and the planes and all the nice hardware to all these countries that aren't actually paying for their own military, aren't actually keeping up their military as much as the US is. And on big example of this is obviously in Ukraine, where Europe has as a percentage of its GDP far lower military spending than the US does, and they think, oh, well, we don't have to spend all our money because the US is just going to come to right. And this is a real bugbear for Trump and a whole bunch of Republicans in the US, and they kind of sort of have a point. And in Australia the same thing is happening. We spend about two bit over two percent GDP on the military, and that ends up being about last over fifty billion dollars a year. And our still exports to the US, yes, about four hundred million dollars a year. So if the US slaps a twenty five percent tariff on our steel exports, for example, that suddenly makes that cost five hundred million with an M dollars a year. And what the US wants us to do, if maybe we're going to get some kind of special treatment or exemption, is increase our military spending from two to three percent of our GDP, which is an increase of about fifty percent, which would mean back of the beer coaster solely, but taking it from a bit over fifty billion dollars a year to a bit over seventy five or eighty billion dollars a year. And look, I'm just an art student, but one hundred million dollars with an M extra that the US would have to pay for our steel exports on top of a four hundred million dollars with an M export market for our steel to the US, compared to an extra twenty five to thirty billion dollars with a B that we would have to spend on our army. That kind of doesn't really add up. So a little fun fat. I'm in a WhatsApp group with a bunch of journo mates from different walks of life, different mastertheads, and one of them this week posted a pick of The Australian's front page about how the infamous Caravan of terror in fact seemed to be not a genuine, kind of real and present terrorist threat against the Jewish community, but was in fact this kind of elaborate hoax set up by I somewhat ham fisted organized crime tips from overseas, and they were like, oh ah ah, look see, look at this thing. And it was then that the terrible, terrible, terrible truth dawned on me, and it shook me to my core. I have to say that it was very clear to me at that moment in time that my friends did not subscribe to this podcast.

Because if they did, they would have known this a month ago, more than a month ago, because we spoke to the chief reporter of the Daily Telegraph, the guy who actually broke this story, about the various possibilities of where this caravan laden with explosives could have come from and who would be behind it, and he told us this right here in this very studio more than a month ago, on the sixth of February twenty twenty five, and I'm very proud to say that he joins me again right now, josh Hanrahan, Welcome back to the Real Story.

Because if they did, they would have known this a month ago, more than a month ago, because we spoke to the chief reporter of the Daily Telegraph, the guy who actually broke this story, about the various possibilities of where this caravan laden with explosives could have come from and who would be behind it, and he told us this right here in this very studio more than a month ago, on the sixth of February twenty twenty five, and I'm very proud to say that he joins me again right now, josh Hanrahan, Welcome back to the Real Story.

How are you, Joe.

How are you, Joe.

I'm good, I'm good. Thanks for having me again, mate.

I'm good, I'm good. Thanks for having me again, mate.

It is an absolute pleasure. I really wanted to get you on because this is actually, I mean, it's a huge story. It's almost as big now that we're sort of uncovering this elaborate ruse that various shadowy criminal identities have gone to to set up this fake terror plot. But it's just an amazing story. It gets bigger and bigger and deeper and deeper. And you actually revealed on this podcast over a month ago that it could have been a police informer, a criminal who was a police informer, setting up this ridiculously elaborate plot so he could then reveal it to police and receive a discount on the prison sentence he was serving. You actually had this on your radar five weeks ago.

It is an absolute pleasure. I really wanted to get you on because this is actually, I mean, it's a huge story. It's almost as big now that we're sort of uncovering this elaborate ruse that various shadowy criminal identities have gone to to set up this fake terror plot. But it's just an amazing story. It gets bigger and bigger and deeper and deeper. And you actually revealed on this podcast over a month ago that it could have been a police informer, a criminal who was a police informer, setting up this ridiculously elaborate plot so he could then reveal it to police and receive a discount on the prison sentence he was serving. You actually had this on your radar five weeks ago.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sorry, I've just answered your question that I've just asked it.

Sorry, I've just answered your question that I've just asked it.

Let me know when you need me if you need Yeah, look, it was I'd love to take all the credit, but it was flagged pretty early on by police. When we first broke the story that a caravan had been found filled with explosives at dural Mark Mark Murray, my colleague and I on January twenty nine. We wrote in that story a comment from a police source which said that it just didn't make sense, it could possibly be a setup. And so whilst that night, when police and Premier christ minteld a press conference, they spoke about the fact that terror was a very serious threat and they were taking it at its highest, which they had to do because you can't you can't take this at its lowest.

Let me know when you need me if you need Yeah, look, it was I'd love to take all the credit, but it was flagged pretty early on by police. When we first broke the story that a caravan had been found filled with explosives at dural Mark Mark Murray, my colleague and I on January twenty nine. We wrote in that story a comment from a police source which said that it just didn't make sense, it could possibly be a setup. And so whilst that night, when police and Premier christ minteld a press conference, they spoke about the fact that terror was a very serious threat and they were taking it at its highest, which they had to do because you can't you can't take this at its lowest.

You can't think, oh, that's just a setup.

You can't think, oh, that's just a setup.

We won't probably they're probably not going to blow it up next, probably not going to blow up the Jewish Museum. So let's just, you know, let's just go and arrest this pickpocket.

We won't probably they're probably not going to blow it up next, probably not going to blow up the Jewish Museum. So let's just, you know, let's just go and arrest this pickpocket.

Yeah, but even that night, Dave Hudson said that at that press that there was a possibility that this was somebody looking for assistance. As we just explained, it happens a lot. I don't think I've ever seen anything on this scale. I don't think anyone's ever seen anything on this scale. And the thought that it wasn't just this caravan, that potentially some of these other graffiti, fire bombing, anti Semitic attacks that we've seen across Sydney were similarly part of that ploy to build tensions up to a point where that if they did have a caravan filled with explosives out a Durrill, that it would be so big that police had had to act and give them potentially a major discount on their sentence.

Yeah, but even that night, Dave Hudson said that at that press that there was a possibility that this was somebody looking for assistance. As we just explained, it happens a lot. I don't think I've ever seen anything on this scale. I don't think anyone's ever seen anything on this scale. And the thought that it wasn't just this caravan, that potentially some of these other graffiti, fire bombing, anti Semitic attacks that we've seen across Sydney were similarly part of that ploy to build tensions up to a point where that if they did have a caravan filled with explosives out a Durrill, that it would be so big that police had had to act and give them potentially a major discount on their sentence.

And this is this sort of extraordinary thing, isn't it, Because there's a thought and the AFP have sort of flagged this and this may be well, I can pretty much say that it is because I've spoken to some people involved. But this is why you had this bizarre scenario where the New South Wales Police had escalated it and raised it with the Premiere. The AFP did not take this threat as seriously, which is why they didn't tell the Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi, which is why he was being And what did you know about this terror threat? Primes? Why didn't you know? And it's actually clear to me that the AFP and possibly even the New South Wales Police, if you hadn't gone to them and you it hadn't come to your attention. They had not. The AFP had said, right, we're not going to bother the PM with this, which they should have, whereas the New South Wales Police clearly thought that this was something that at least needed to be flagged with the premium.

And this is this sort of extraordinary thing, isn't it, Because there's a thought and the AFP have sort of flagged this and this may be well, I can pretty much say that it is because I've spoken to some people involved. But this is why you had this bizarre scenario where the New South Wales Police had escalated it and raised it with the Premiere. The AFP did not take this threat as seriously, which is why they didn't tell the Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi, which is why he was being And what did you know about this terror threat? Primes? Why didn't you know? And it's actually clear to me that the AFP and possibly even the New South Wales Police, if you hadn't gone to them and you it hadn't come to your attention. They had not. The AFP had said, right, we're not going to bother the PM with this, which they should have, whereas the New South Wales Police clearly thought that this was something that at least needed to be flagged with the premium.

There's actually varying opinions on that. I know.

There's actually varying opinions on that. I know.

The other day when the AFP and you Saws Police jointly addressed the media to say that this was a criminal conjob, Christy Barrett, wh's the AFP Deputy Commissioner, said that they knew almost immediately was her phrase, that this wasn't a terrorism.

The other day when the AFP and you Saws Police jointly addressed the media to say that this was a criminal conjob, Christy Barrett, wh's the AFP Deputy Commissioner, said that they knew almost immediately was her phrase, that this wasn't a terrorism.

Incident, which is why they didn't brief the PM on it.

Incident, which is why they didn't brief the PM on it.

Sources have told Mark Moury and I that that's not potentially accurate. That they seem to think that the AFP was treating it as a terrorism threat for a bit longer than that.

Sources have told Mark Moury and I that that's not potentially accurate. That they seem to think that the AFP was treating it as a terrorism threat for a bit longer than that.

People have also said.

People have also said.

People have also said Usile's police, as you said, for we're the ones treating it as a terrorism threat.

People have also said Usile's police, as you said, for we're the ones treating it as a terrorism threat.

Who knows where the truth lies.

Who knows where the truth lies.

But what is a fact, and what has been a fact for a number of years now is that relations between the AFP and Newsile's Police, while on the surface at a press conference in front of all the media's cameras, are you know, hunky dory behind the scenes that they're certainly far from it, although on counter terrorism when it comes to fighting terrorism, they have often been very harmonious.

But what is a fact, and what has been a fact for a number of years now is that relations between the AFP and Newsile's Police, while on the surface at a press conference in front of all the media's cameras, are you know, hunky dory behind the scenes that they're certainly far from it, although on counter terrorism when it comes to fighting terrorism, they have often been very harmonious.

They walking towards a similar.

They walking towards a similar.

Goal on other topics like yeah, it is, that's important to know, but on an organized crime and some other things, there have been some clashing of heads, shall we say, over the years.

Goal on other topics like yeah, it is, that's important to know, but on an organized crime and some other things, there have been some clashing of heads, shall we say, over the years.

Yeah, no, certainly, and you've got much more impressive sources than me, but I've heard the same thing. The other interesting thing is that clearly, and this is why it's so not only do you have this ridiculously elaborate plot and again we've got a caravan packed full of explosives with Jewish targets written on notes, the Holocaust Museum or the Great Synagogue. You've got this all set up, and yet they don't put a detonator in it, which is strange. And they've also seems to be similar criminal elements behind other anti Semitic attacks, as you say, which give legitimacy to the caravan plot. But also you have actual anti Semitic attacks going on in the community, which clearly have given the idea for these guys say, right, we can ride this wave and do our and plant our own kind of attacks in the middle of these real attacks, which again will make them look legitimate. I mean, it's from what I've been able to gather. For example, you know the attacks in New South Wales, they seem to have had these sort of criminal elements behind it, or police believe so. But the fire bombing attack on the synagogue in Melbourne, for example, seems to have been a legitimate thing that happened for real, which they were not involved in. So you've got these sort of two parallel attacks on Jewish Australians, one of which one type of which is completely real and actually happening, which is then inspiring these sort of fake attacks, if you like that, are being orchestrated by criminals overseas. It's incredibly bizarre and complex, isn't it.

Yeah, no, certainly, and you've got much more impressive sources than me, but I've heard the same thing. The other interesting thing is that clearly, and this is why it's so not only do you have this ridiculously elaborate plot and again we've got a caravan packed full of explosives with Jewish targets written on notes, the Holocaust Museum or the Great Synagogue. You've got this all set up, and yet they don't put a detonator in it, which is strange. And they've also seems to be similar criminal elements behind other anti Semitic attacks, as you say, which give legitimacy to the caravan plot. But also you have actual anti Semitic attacks going on in the community, which clearly have given the idea for these guys say, right, we can ride this wave and do our and plant our own kind of attacks in the middle of these real attacks, which again will make them look legitimate. I mean, it's from what I've been able to gather. For example, you know the attacks in New South Wales, they seem to have had these sort of criminal elements behind it, or police believe so. But the fire bombing attack on the synagogue in Melbourne, for example, seems to have been a legitimate thing that happened for real, which they were not involved in. So you've got these sort of two parallel attacks on Jewish Australians, one of which one type of which is completely real and actually happening, which is then inspiring these sort of fake attacks, if you like that, are being orchestrated by criminals overseas. It's incredibly bizarre and complex, isn't it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think with the Sydney one, with the caravan, I'd be a terrible cop because I see things like this and I often think some of the schemes that criminals come up with, and they go, geez, that's pretty smart. Yeah, there's a bit of genius in that I'm almost almost impressed.

I think with the Sydney one, with the caravan, I'd be a terrible cop because I see things like this and I often think some of the schemes that criminals come up with, and they go, geez, that's pretty smart. Yeah, there's a bit of genius in that I'm almost almost impressed.

Two.

Two.

You know, as you say, there's obviously there are some instance in that they are looking at as being legitimate anti Semitic attacks, and then there are these other ones that they've seized on that and built it up, and then they've you know, dropped this caravan out there. I think it's as I said before, it's quite interesting. You know, on the first day that someone said, this doesn't just this just doesn't add up. Why would you leave it on the side of a road at Dural, of all places, if anyone like you know, it's in amongst some paddocks and whatnot.

You know, as you say, there's obviously there are some instance in that they are looking at as being legitimate anti Semitic attacks, and then there are these other ones that they've seized on that and built it up, and then they've you know, dropped this caravan out there. I think it's as I said before, it's quite interesting. You know, on the first day that someone said, this doesn't just this just doesn't add up. Why would you leave it on the side of a road at Dural, of all places, if anyone like you know, it's in amongst some paddocks and whatnot.

Dural is not known as a kind of you know, a central sort of hub of the Jewish community.

Dural is not known as a kind of you know, a central sort of hub of the Jewish community.

No, it was parked on you know, if you can picture a bitchman road with a bit to the side where I think there's a graveyard and there's a bit of a decent amount of gravel to kind of park it on, like any country road. So and then you go to Melbourne and look, there's some talk about the fact that that may.

No, it was parked on you know, if you can picture a bitchman road with a bit to the side where I think there's a graveyard and there's a bit of a decent amount of gravel to kind of park it on, like any country road. So and then you go to Melbourne and look, there's some talk about the fact that that may.

Have been some some gangs.

Have been some some gangs.

I don't know to what end they potentially carried that out, But the whole situation is bizarre. As you said, it's it's potentially genius, but to the point in the end, it's it's obviously gone nowhere, which is a good thing for everyone.

I don't know to what end they potentially carried that out, But the whole situation is bizarre. As you said, it's it's potentially genius, but to the point in the end, it's it's obviously gone nowhere, which is a good thing for everyone.

It's a very good thing for everybody, I think. And the other thing, the other sort of red flag that we talked about a bit over a month ago, is why you would have your target if written on a note in the you know, in case you forgot, where are we bombing again? It's, oh, it's the Great Synagogue. Oh, like I had it written down, like if you're gonna you know, like I'm pretty sure that the you know, if a terrorist is going to blow somewhere up, they don't need it. They don't need to put it in Google Maps. They know what they're doing.

It's a very good thing for everybody, I think. And the other thing, the other sort of red flag that we talked about a bit over a month ago, is why you would have your target if written on a note in the you know, in case you forgot, where are we bombing again? It's, oh, it's the Great Synagogue. Oh, like I had it written down, like if you're gonna you know, like I'm pretty sure that the you know, if a terrorist is going to blow somewhere up, they don't need it. They don't need to put it in Google Maps. They know what they're doing.

It as a highly unusual from modern day terror plot, I would have thought, yeah.

It as a highly unusual from modern day terror plot, I would have thought, yeah.

It's exactly right. And yet and yet again this is happening, and this is this is criminals exploiting sort of real life anti Semitism and real life threats that are happening in the community. And also these are often gangs. I mean, we know, we know the ISIS, for example, recruited a lot of it's it's terrorists from from biker gangs from biker gangs with you know, extreme Islamist links.

It's exactly right. And yet and yet again this is happening, and this is this is criminals exploiting sort of real life anti Semitism and real life threats that are happening in the community. And also these are often gangs. I mean, we know, we know the ISIS, for example, recruited a lot of it's it's terrorists from from biker gangs from biker gangs with you know, extreme Islamist links.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. This is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. This is.

I think there's always the one thing police will always say is that no matter if it's drugs, alcohol, illegal tobacco, any kind of product, any way to make a buck, any way, to get anything that they think will benefit them, organized criminals will get involved in it.

I think there's always the one thing police will always say is that no matter if it's drugs, alcohol, illegal tobacco, any kind of product, any way to make a buck, any way, to get anything that they think will benefit them, organized criminals will get involved in it.

It's badness. Anything bad they'll do.

It's badness. Anything bad they'll do.

They they're addicted to badness. That's badness.

They they're addicted to badness. That's badness.

Well, Josh Hanrah, congratulations on just cracking and continuing to stay on top of this incredible yarn. And thank you for revealing the real nature of it here a bit over a month ago before it ended up on the front page everywhere else. And good on you mate.

Well, Josh Hanrah, congratulations on just cracking and continuing to stay on top of this incredible yarn. And thank you for revealing the real nature of it here a bit over a month ago before it ended up on the front page everywhere else. And good on you mate.

Pleasure Joe anytime, and that is.

Pleasure Joe anytime, and that is.

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