This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gadigel people of the Eura Nation. Hello and welcome to the Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. Spoiler alert, I'm Joe Hildebrand and this is the real story on a whole bunch of things that might have appeared a little bit different to you. This week we're going to get the real story on whether or not the PM has been mocking Australians with the disability. Yes, the PM has been going after disabled people. Oh, that cruel, savage monster. But did he really They're going to actually find out if that is the case or not. Plus, did the Palestinian protesters really have to march on October the seventh. We've got the real story and all that and much much more coming up. But first up this week, let's get to what is undoubtedly going to be the biggest yarn over the next few days, which is that Prime Minister Anthony Albanize he insulted disabled people. That is the headline going around on just about every news outlet. Just looking at the latest bulletin from the New Daily News website. That's meant to be kind of well, it's bankrolled by union super funds and stuff, So you think that'd be a bit labor friendly, but no breaking PM mock's disability. What did the PM actually say, Well, the PM didn't mock anyone.

This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gadigel people of the Eura Nation. Hello and welcome to the Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. Spoiler alert, I'm Joe Hildebrand and this is the real story on a whole bunch of things that might have appeared a little bit different to you. This week we're going to get the real story on whether or not the PM has been mocking Australians with the disability. Yes, the PM has been going after disabled people. Oh, that cruel, savage monster. But did he really They're going to actually find out if that is the case or not. Plus, did the Palestinian protesters really have to march on October the seventh. We've got the real story and all that and much much more coming up. But first up this week, let's get to what is undoubtedly going to be the biggest yarn over the next few days, which is that Prime Minister Anthony Albanize he insulted disabled people. That is the headline going around on just about every news outlet. Just looking at the latest bulletin from the New Daily News website. That's meant to be kind of well, it's bankrolled by union super funds and stuff, So you think that'd be a bit labor friendly, but no breaking PM mock's disability. What did the PM actually say, Well, the PM didn't mock anyone.

With a disability at all.

With a disability at all.

It was in the middle of question time and he had Angus Taylor, the Shadow Treasurer, constantly interjecting after being told to stop and interjected by more time, and the PM said this.

It was in the middle of question time and he had Angus Taylor, the Shadow Treasurer, constantly interjecting after being told to stop and interjected by more time, and the PM said this.

Where have you got Touret's or something?

Where have you got Touret's or something?

You know, you know you sit there, Yes, that's right. Have you got Touret's or something? Is what the PM said, which I reckon is something that most Australians at some point or another would have said about someone who talks too much. We all got a chatterbox, we all got people in our lives who just can't shut up. But it's perfectly it's not insulting someone with Thurets. It's just saying that you're someone who talks a lot, and that is what you understand Tourett's syndrome to be someone who involuntarily talks, who can't stop talking. In fact, that's a gross oversimplification of what Turets actually is. It's more nervous tick sort of thing, and it doesn't just apply to language or talking or swearing, which is another common misconception that comply to all sorts of things. But the PM is going by the sort of popular understanding in the same way that you might say to someone who's a bit unhinged, jeez, you're a psycho?

You know, you know you sit there, Yes, that's right. Have you got Touret's or something? Is what the PM said, which I reckon is something that most Australians at some point or another would have said about someone who talks too much. We all got a chatterbox, we all got people in our lives who just can't shut up. But it's perfectly it's not insulting someone with Thurets. It's just saying that you're someone who talks a lot, and that is what you understand Tourett's syndrome to be someone who involuntarily talks, who can't stop talking. In fact, that's a gross oversimplification of what Turets actually is. It's more nervous tick sort of thing, and it doesn't just apply to language or talking or swearing, which is another common misconception that comply to all sorts of things. But the PM is going by the sort of popular understanding in the same way that you might say to someone who's a bit unhinged, jeez, you're a psycho?

Are you then insulting psychos?

Are you then insulting psychos?

So this is the thing. It's something that's just said in the vernacular. It's something that's said by way of an understanding about something that isn't really anything to do with the actual condition itself. You might say, of a policy position that doesn't makes sense or that oscillates, or if a government changed its mind on a policy that it's acting schizophrenic? Is that an insult to schizophrenic people? Again, I've got bipolar and I talk about things being bipolar all the time. They run hot and cold like that song by Katie Perry. Is she insulting by polar people? Should I be offended by Katie Perry's Master Chef song?

So this is the thing. It's something that's just said in the vernacular. It's something that's said by way of an understanding about something that isn't really anything to do with the actual condition itself. You might say, of a policy position that doesn't makes sense or that oscillates, or if a government changed its mind on a policy that it's acting schizophrenic? Is that an insult to schizophrenic people? Again, I've got bipolar and I talk about things being bipolar all the time. They run hot and cold like that song by Katie Perry. Is she insulting by polar people? Should I be offended by Katie Perry's Master Chef song?

Anyway?

Anyway?

So the PM clearly wasn't trying to insult people with Tourett's by this comment.

So the PM clearly wasn't trying to insult people with Tourett's by this comment.

He was trying to insult Angus Taylor. Anyway.

He was trying to insult Angus Taylor. Anyway.

Someone got up very very quickly and straight afterwards you could see from the expressions of some of the PM's colleagues, half the half the house by the way.

Someone got up very very quickly and straight afterwards you could see from the expressions of some of the PM's colleagues, half the half the house by the way.

Laughed and then very quickly, oh dear, oh my god.

Laughed and then very quickly, oh dear, oh my god.

And someone got up with the point of order, obviously in objections, and the PM, before the person could even get to the dispatch box.

And someone got up with the point of order, obviously in objections, and the PM, before the person could even get to the dispatch box.

Said this, we draw, mister speaker, we draw. So there you go.

Said this, we draw, mister speaker, we draw. So there you go.

Surely you would think that would be the end of the matter, but I know everyone's still upset about it. Everyone's still angry. Everyone's still having a crack at the PM. And you know who are the people who are most upset The people who say that the world is political correctness gone mad. That's the people are the right, the people who are the champions of free speech, the people who are saying, now we've got to get all this won't crap out of our system, out of our society. They're the ones going nuts at the PM for jokingly saying that someone who talks too much has got turets, even after he's apologized for it immediately at the time and then again even more profusely hours later in a formal statement to the Parliament. And this is the craziness of it. This is the hypocrisy of it. And I understand, I understand the rights frustration, because of course it is the lunar left that is usually the first to be outraged by any kind of thing, and they were outraged when Scott Morrison said, quite innocently or naively that he and his wife Jenny were blessed not to have had to have to support a child with the disability. And there were plenty of people who, rightly or wrongly, those who do have disabilities, I imagined, probably took a bit of exception to it and said, well, hang on a minute, I don't feel like I'm cursed or my family was cursed just because we had a disability.

Surely you would think that would be the end of the matter, but I know everyone's still upset about it. Everyone's still angry. Everyone's still having a crack at the PM. And you know who are the people who are most upset The people who say that the world is political correctness gone mad. That's the people are the right, the people who are the champions of free speech, the people who are saying, now we've got to get all this won't crap out of our system, out of our society. They're the ones going nuts at the PM for jokingly saying that someone who talks too much has got turets, even after he's apologized for it immediately at the time and then again even more profusely hours later in a formal statement to the Parliament. And this is the craziness of it. This is the hypocrisy of it. And I understand, I understand the rights frustration, because of course it is the lunar left that is usually the first to be outraged by any kind of thing, and they were outraged when Scott Morrison said, quite innocently or naively that he and his wife Jenny were blessed not to have had to have to support a child with the disability. And there were plenty of people who, rightly or wrongly, those who do have disabilities, I imagined, probably took a bit of exception to it and said, well, hang on a minute, I don't feel like I'm cursed or my family was cursed just because we had a disability.

Now, I've got to.

Now, I've got to.

Tell you, as someone who's best friend is a quadriplegic, and you don't get much more physically disabled than that, these are people who joke about their conditions all the time, and these are people who know how tough it is, and they're certainly the last to be offended by anything. But point being, people were jumping down Scott Morrison's throats whenever he said anything remotely on PC and jumping down his throat. Indeed, when he had their temerity to go on holiday while there happened to be some bushfires in Australia. I was not one of those people who were outraged. I wasn't outraged then, I'm not outraged now. And I think we need to turn the dial down on the outrage if we're going to get any actual progress or anyone half decent to be a political leader in this country, because no one's going to stick their neck on the chopping block.

Tell you, as someone who's best friend is a quadriplegic, and you don't get much more physically disabled than that, these are people who joke about their conditions all the time, and these are people who know how tough it is, and they're certainly the last to be offended by anything. But point being, people were jumping down Scott Morrison's throats whenever he said anything remotely on PC and jumping down his throat. Indeed, when he had their temerity to go on holiday while there happened to be some bushfires in Australia. I was not one of those people who were outraged. I wasn't outraged then, I'm not outraged now. And I think we need to turn the dial down on the outrage if we're going to get any actual progress or anyone half decent to be a political leader in this country, because no one's going to stick their neck on the chopping block.

But think about this.

But think about this.

All the confected outrage about what the PM said took place on a date when the biggest debate was about emotion to recognize the suffering of the Israeli people in the Jewish diaspora more generally, and there was further debate on whether or not you should therefore also recognize the mass mass devastation in Gaza and Lebanon, and that is the number one debate there. And you've got Peter Dutton saying that he's such a strong supporter of Israel that he's not going to support emotion that expresses solidarity and sorrow with Israel because it also mentions Lebanon and Gaza or whatever. Blah blah blah, so you got argibad on how you actually deal with a tragedy, a humanitarian catastrophe of that kind of proportion, and God knows what the potential triggers could be for a further escalating conflict the drags even more countries in, and so you could argue that it's pretty pisce for in and of itself to be arguing playing politics over a motion that recognizes the worst attack on Jews since the Holocaust and the tens of thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese who have been affected. Since it's a bit like someone getting shot dead and lying next to you and you complaining about a stub toe, speaking of right and wrong with a little dash of hypocrisy for good measure. Let's touch base with the pro Palestine rallies that cause such controversy all over the country on the weekend. Now, thankfully, those rallies seem to be mostly peaceful after agreements were reached with police to avoid going past the Great Synagogue in Sydney and to avoid any movement on the actual day of the anniversary itself. That protest was categorized as a vigil, which meant it was kind of okay, and it didn't do that pro Palestinian cause any favors. And this is the real issue here. You have these people who claim to be pro Palestine, who claim to be supporting the plight of Palestinians, and what they are actually doing by provocative measures like this is turning people against them, turning people away from them. It does this in a couple of ways. One is you have these absolute numb skulls rocking up holding pictures of the dead leader of Hesbla as though in some kind of hero. Hesblah, Let's not forget, is a prescribed terrorist organization under Australian law. Hesbler is a terrorist organization, and the leader of that terrorist organization was killed. And you have people protesting in the name of Palestine who are celebrating this guy. So what does that make everyone else think? It makes me think, oh, these pro Palestinian people, they're just terrorists or terrorist sympathizers or terrorist supporters. Is that a good look? Is that good for your brand? I wouldn't have thought so. So they turned people away by doing that, kissed people off by doing that, or just make them think that the pro Palestine cause and the terrorist cause, the Hesbula cause or the Hammas cause are indistinguishable, so that is one moronic thing that they do and the other thing. Of course, by even having these rallies, these protests on the day of the anniversary, when so many Jewish people in Australia are in deep mourning, many of whom would have known friends or family who are among the dead or the hostages, to have that on that day was intensely provocative and again makes people think that these people are just one eyed extremists with no sympathy. And of course, if they don't look like they've got any sympathy, then why should we expect to have sympathy for their cause and for the suffering on their side. And it is yet another instance of these protesters not helping them cause of Palestinian people, but actually hurting it. Our guest this week is someone who is my journalistic spirit animal. He is an incredible journalist, far more accomplished than me.

All the confected outrage about what the PM said took place on a date when the biggest debate was about emotion to recognize the suffering of the Israeli people in the Jewish diaspora more generally, and there was further debate on whether or not you should therefore also recognize the mass mass devastation in Gaza and Lebanon, and that is the number one debate there. And you've got Peter Dutton saying that he's such a strong supporter of Israel that he's not going to support emotion that expresses solidarity and sorrow with Israel because it also mentions Lebanon and Gaza or whatever. Blah blah blah, so you got argibad on how you actually deal with a tragedy, a humanitarian catastrophe of that kind of proportion, and God knows what the potential triggers could be for a further escalating conflict the drags even more countries in, and so you could argue that it's pretty pisce for in and of itself to be arguing playing politics over a motion that recognizes the worst attack on Jews since the Holocaust and the tens of thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese who have been affected. Since it's a bit like someone getting shot dead and lying next to you and you complaining about a stub toe, speaking of right and wrong with a little dash of hypocrisy for good measure. Let's touch base with the pro Palestine rallies that cause such controversy all over the country on the weekend. Now, thankfully, those rallies seem to be mostly peaceful after agreements were reached with police to avoid going past the Great Synagogue in Sydney and to avoid any movement on the actual day of the anniversary itself. That protest was categorized as a vigil, which meant it was kind of okay, and it didn't do that pro Palestinian cause any favors. And this is the real issue here. You have these people who claim to be pro Palestine, who claim to be supporting the plight of Palestinians, and what they are actually doing by provocative measures like this is turning people against them, turning people away from them. It does this in a couple of ways. One is you have these absolute numb skulls rocking up holding pictures of the dead leader of Hesbla as though in some kind of hero. Hesblah, Let's not forget, is a prescribed terrorist organization under Australian law. Hesbler is a terrorist organization, and the leader of that terrorist organization was killed. And you have people protesting in the name of Palestine who are celebrating this guy. So what does that make everyone else think? It makes me think, oh, these pro Palestinian people, they're just terrorists or terrorist sympathizers or terrorist supporters. Is that a good look? Is that good for your brand? I wouldn't have thought so. So they turned people away by doing that, kissed people off by doing that, or just make them think that the pro Palestine cause and the terrorist cause, the Hesbula cause or the Hammas cause are indistinguishable, so that is one moronic thing that they do and the other thing. Of course, by even having these rallies, these protests on the day of the anniversary, when so many Jewish people in Australia are in deep mourning, many of whom would have known friends or family who are among the dead or the hostages, to have that on that day was intensely provocative and again makes people think that these people are just one eyed extremists with no sympathy. And of course, if they don't look like they've got any sympathy, then why should we expect to have sympathy for their cause and for the suffering on their side. And it is yet another instance of these protesters not helping them cause of Palestinian people, but actually hurting it. Our guest this week is someone who is my journalistic spirit animal. He is an incredible journalist, far more accomplished than me.

He was the political.

He was the political.

Editor at the ABC, then went on to become the political editor at Channel nine. He's written what I believe scientists call a ball terror of an article for the Weekend Australian about just how some of these practices that are meant to make us feel all warm and fuzzy inside are actually not doing anything at all beneficial for the environment and potentially even harming them. And the one example that struck me, because I just couldn't quite get my head around it, is those really annoying paper bags at the supermarkets are handing out these days, and you stick anything in them, they immediately tear and then you have to buy another one. But of course, no one wants to pay twenty five cents for a bag anymore, even though they'll go and spend three thousand on a Louis Via time wine from well from Louis Va time. But point being, he joins me right now, Chris Yulman, welcome to the real story.

Editor at the ABC, then went on to become the political editor at Channel nine. He's written what I believe scientists call a ball terror of an article for the Weekend Australian about just how some of these practices that are meant to make us feel all warm and fuzzy inside are actually not doing anything at all beneficial for the environment and potentially even harming them. And the one example that struck me, because I just couldn't quite get my head around it, is those really annoying paper bags at the supermarkets are handing out these days, and you stick anything in them, they immediately tear and then you have to buy another one. But of course, no one wants to pay twenty five cents for a bag anymore, even though they'll go and spend three thousand on a Louis Via time wine from well from Louis Va time. But point being, he joins me right now, Chris Yulman, welcome to the real story.

It's a pleasure to have.

It's a pleasure to have.

You, Ah Joe hillbrand what kind of animal like as a wombat skunk?

You, Ah Joe hillbrand what kind of animal like as a wombat skunk?

I imagine like I imagine like half tiger, half woolf with maybe some dragon wings, you know, maybe a liger. Let's just go for a liger. Let's take it back a note, and it's great to have you on the show. This article, which you can still get on the OS it's titled It's Not Easy Being Green but only if you're a blue collar worker and you sort of go through some of the imposts that are being put on either a just ordinary everyday consumers or indeed people who work in the energy sector who are going to lose their jobs because of this transition. These paper bags in supermarkets. Now, I understand, we want to ban the single use plastic bags, no problem. They bring in the repeat use plastic bags, you know, repeat, reuse, recycle, fantastic. We're all feeling good about ourselves, and then suddenly they have been phased out and we're getting these old school, very retro in fact paper supermarket bags. And you've done a bit of a deep dive into this along with some environmental organizations and found that, surprise, surprise, these are actually worse than the reusable plastic bags.

I imagine like I imagine like half tiger, half woolf with maybe some dragon wings, you know, maybe a liger. Let's just go for a liger. Let's take it back a note, and it's great to have you on the show. This article, which you can still get on the OS it's titled It's Not Easy Being Green but only if you're a blue collar worker and you sort of go through some of the imposts that are being put on either a just ordinary everyday consumers or indeed people who work in the energy sector who are going to lose their jobs because of this transition. These paper bags in supermarkets. Now, I understand, we want to ban the single use plastic bags, no problem. They bring in the repeat use plastic bags, you know, repeat, reuse, recycle, fantastic. We're all feeling good about ourselves, and then suddenly they have been phased out and we're getting these old school, very retro in fact paper supermarket bags. And you've done a bit of a deep dive into this along with some environmental organizations and found that, surprise, surprise, these are actually worse than the reusable plastic bags.

Yeah, Joe, And look, I love an old paper bag too. And I'm old enough now to remember that when I was young, we had paper bags, and what we used to do is take the paper bags without the handles of school, turn them inside out, and then cut holes in the verias and draw faces on them. So I'd always liked a paper bag. I'm in favor of a paper bag, and you would think, like again, you'd think that a paper bags better for the environment that a single use plastic bag. But there's this thing called life cycle analysis that you know, people clever than I do do on the entire life cycle of a product to see whether or not it is actually better for the environment. And when they did that study, as you would imagine, they found that those bags that you get given which are supposed to reuse, you know, the green ones. So if you buy those and you use them one hundred and four times, that's once a week for two years for shopping, then that's better than a single use plastic bag, but only if you use it that often, so that's the best option. But a single use plastic bag on everything they did on life cycle analysis, was always better than a paper bag in terms of what it did to the environment. And it might be hard to get your head around, but that's what they found. And part of this is consumers. Consumers think it's better for the environment, but thinking that doesn't make it so.

Yeah, Joe, And look, I love an old paper bag too. And I'm old enough now to remember that when I was young, we had paper bags, and what we used to do is take the paper bags without the handles of school, turn them inside out, and then cut holes in the verias and draw faces on them. So I'd always liked a paper bag. I'm in favor of a paper bag, and you would think, like again, you'd think that a paper bags better for the environment that a single use plastic bag. But there's this thing called life cycle analysis that you know, people clever than I do do on the entire life cycle of a product to see whether or not it is actually better for the environment. And when they did that study, as you would imagine, they found that those bags that you get given which are supposed to reuse, you know, the green ones. So if you buy those and you use them one hundred and four times, that's once a week for two years for shopping, then that's better than a single use plastic bag, but only if you use it that often, so that's the best option. But a single use plastic bag on everything they did on life cycle analysis, was always better than a paper bag in terms of what it did to the environment. And it might be hard to get your head around, but that's what they found. And part of this is consumers. Consumers think it's better for the environment, but thinking that doesn't make it so.

So not only are paper bags worse than repeat use plastic bags, they're also worse than the single use plastic bags.

So not only are paper bags worse than repeat use plastic bags, they're also worse than the single use plastic bags.

Can you talk us through because that.

Can you talk us through because that.

Is quite mind blowing I suppose, like you say, as someone, you think, oh, paper must be better than plastic, because because, because, because whatever take us through how this study was done.

Is quite mind blowing I suppose, like you say, as someone, you think, oh, paper must be better than plastic, because because, because, because whatever take us through how this study was done.

Well looking at it from the time that you produce it, in the way that you produce it, through the time that it might get recycled, at the end of where it ends up in the recycling chain, and when they did that analysis where they rendered it to against each other, the single use plus bags. You know, for complex technical reasons that I've got not entirely got my head round, it's kept going out better. Again. Again, it doesn't sound like that, like it's it should be that way, but that is what it showed. And by the way, there are lots of other studies which have found the same thing.

Well looking at it from the time that you produce it, in the way that you produce it, through the time that it might get recycled, at the end of where it ends up in the recycling chain, and when they did that analysis where they rendered it to against each other, the single use plus bags. You know, for complex technical reasons that I've got not entirely got my head round, it's kept going out better. Again. Again, it doesn't sound like that, like it's it should be that way, but that is what it showed. And by the way, there are lots of other studies which have found the same thing.

Around the world, and it is I mean, once you do actually again, once you just shake that warm, fuzzy feeling, you do think we'll hang on a minute. These paper bags are constantly falling apart, they're constantly getting torn, so they're often not being used more than once you know they are. Then if the owner does the right thing put in for recycling, and that obviously requires a certain amount of energy to recycle the product, and of course even if you're getting something from recycled paper, which supposedly mostly from I think, then they are using that energy to produce that. And so you get to the point what maybe maybe just a single very cheaply easily produced plastic bag which you probably then end up putting your rubbish in and then throwing out and maybe it all ends up in landfill anyway, if it gets sent to Indonesia a child, I say, it does start to sort of raise all these questions that, as you say, the supermarkets themselves appear to know the answer to. But because everyone no one sort of wants to actually admit it, we're all just sort of going to go on this sort of symbiotic gas lighting of each other and just pretending that everything's fine.

Around the world, and it is I mean, once you do actually again, once you just shake that warm, fuzzy feeling, you do think we'll hang on a minute. These paper bags are constantly falling apart, they're constantly getting torn, so they're often not being used more than once you know they are. Then if the owner does the right thing put in for recycling, and that obviously requires a certain amount of energy to recycle the product, and of course even if you're getting something from recycled paper, which supposedly mostly from I think, then they are using that energy to produce that. And so you get to the point what maybe maybe just a single very cheaply easily produced plastic bag which you probably then end up putting your rubbish in and then throwing out and maybe it all ends up in landfill anyway, if it gets sent to Indonesia a child, I say, it does start to sort of raise all these questions that, as you say, the supermarkets themselves appear to know the answer to. But because everyone no one sort of wants to actually admit it, we're all just sort of going to go on this sort of symbiotic gas lighting of each other and just pretending that everything's fine.

Look, I think people like people are genuine Joe. You know that people did want to do something about the environment. They mean it, and when they put their stuff in the recycling bin that they assume that that's going to recycling. But you just raised it whether you put a plastic bag in a recycling bin or a paper bag and recycling bin.

Look, I think people like people are genuine Joe. You know that people did want to do something about the environment. They mean it, and when they put their stuff in the recycling bin that they assume that that's going to recycling. But you just raised it whether you put a plastic bag in a recycling bin or a paper bag and recycling bin.

Unfortunately, a lot of that recycling now is being a shipped to Indonesia and ends up as landfill there and the Indonesians are begging us to take it back. So our systems are broken. And the whole point of all of this was to draw attention to the fact that it is great to have the intention to try and do something good for the planet, but we shouldn't delude ourselves. And I think there is no bigger delusion in some of the stuff that we're doing in the energy sector of that with what we're doing with electricity, it is we are trying to get a feel good grid that won't actually work terribly well and will need an enormous amount of backup, rather than saying to people, you know what, this system simply doesn't function. It simply does not function without a gas backbone. And remarkably, the people who've cried longest and loudest, the Teals, the Greens, members of the Labor Party and including that by the way, Chris Bowen up until recently, who condemned all fossil fuel.

Unfortunately, a lot of that recycling now is being a shipped to Indonesia and ends up as landfill there and the Indonesians are begging us to take it back. So our systems are broken. And the whole point of all of this was to draw attention to the fact that it is great to have the intention to try and do something good for the planet, but we shouldn't delude ourselves. And I think there is no bigger delusion in some of the stuff that we're doing in the energy sector of that with what we're doing with electricity, it is we are trying to get a feel good grid that won't actually work terribly well and will need an enormous amount of backup, rather than saying to people, you know what, this system simply doesn't function. It simply does not function without a gas backbone. And remarkably, the people who've cried longest and loudest, the Teals, the Greens, members of the Labor Party and including that by the way, Chris Bowen up until recently, who condemned all fossil fuel.

Have actually made it harder for Australians to get gas. We're now going to have a gas shortage, which is almost entirely in Victoria's instance, down to the politics of Victoria. They banned gas exploration in Victoria. Then they start winding about the fact that they want Queensland's fracked gas. They won't do any fracking in Victoria. It should be sent to them. Well, those things are all on long term contacts and going off to Japan. No one Australia is going to open up those ex books, those minds in Queensland. If it wasn't for the Japanese cash that did it, Japanese would not rely enormously on our gas. There's plenty of gas in Australia. But can you believe this, Joe. We are currently in the process of building gas import terminals in New South Wales and Victoria. So we're going to have the gas. It's just going to be important from somewhere else and it'll come in at an import price and it will help set the price of your electricity and that price will be high.

Have actually made it harder for Australians to get gas. We're now going to have a gas shortage, which is almost entirely in Victoria's instance, down to the politics of Victoria. They banned gas exploration in Victoria. Then they start winding about the fact that they want Queensland's fracked gas. They won't do any fracking in Victoria. It should be sent to them. Well, those things are all on long term contacts and going off to Japan. No one Australia is going to open up those ex books, those minds in Queensland. If it wasn't for the Japanese cash that did it, Japanese would not rely enormously on our gas. There's plenty of gas in Australia. But can you believe this, Joe. We are currently in the process of building gas import terminals in New South Wales and Victoria. So we're going to have the gas. It's just going to be important from somewhere else and it'll come in at an import price and it will help set the price of your electricity and that price will be high.

There you go, Chris Jorman, true eco warrior, true energy realist. Thank you so much for your clear eyed and now is that. I'm sure for most, if not all, people listening, they will be realizing a lot of this stuff for the first time. And it's something you've done a huge amount of work on.

There you go, Chris Jorman, true eco warrior, true energy realist. Thank you so much for your clear eyed and now is that. I'm sure for most, if not all, people listening, they will be realizing a lot of this stuff for the first time. And it's something you've done a huge amount of work on.

I know.

I know.

Can you tell us give us a sneak preview of the name of your doco and when we can expect to see it the real.

Can you tell us give us a sneak preview of the name of your doco and when we can expect to see it the real.

Cost of net zero Joe, Because by the way, once we've done the electricity sector, so think about this, then we have to work out how we make concrete, how he makes steel, how we make plastic, and how we make ammonia. And ammonia, by the way, is used to feed half the world's population. And people might never have thought about this, but when you eat a tomato, if it's had fertilizer on it, then then it's got natural gas embedded in its production. Because the way that we get that fertilizer is to use natural gas to get it out of the oxygen. We don't have another process for doing that at the moment. We have to invent one. We haven't even started the process of trying to decarbonize. There is fossil fuel and absolutely everything you can see in the built environment, and to get to near zero, we've got to change the way we do everything in the next twenty five years.

Cost of net zero Joe, Because by the way, once we've done the electricity sector, so think about this, then we have to work out how we make concrete, how he makes steel, how we make plastic, and how we make ammonia. And ammonia, by the way, is used to feed half the world's population. And people might never have thought about this, but when you eat a tomato, if it's had fertilizer on it, then then it's got natural gas embedded in its production. Because the way that we get that fertilizer is to use natural gas to get it out of the oxygen. We don't have another process for doing that at the moment. We have to invent one. We haven't even started the process of trying to decarbonize. There is fossil fuel and absolutely everything you can see in the built environment, and to get to near zero, we've got to change the way we do everything in the next twenty five years.

There you go, well with people like you hopefully providing some really actual, clear, actual analysis of what we need to do and the true cost of what it's going.

There you go, well with people like you hopefully providing some really actual, clear, actual analysis of what we need to do and the true cost of what it's going.

To take to do it. Hopefully we'll be able to get there in a way that works.

To take to do it. Hopefully we'll be able to get there in a way that works.

No one knows how much it's going to cost.

No one knows how much it's going to cost.

That's right, it's lots right about.

That's right, it's lots right about.

That's right.

That's right.

I'm going to I'm going to apply my Bachelor of Arts to that calculation.

I'm going to I'm going to apply my Bachelor of Arts to that calculation.

I'll agree with you, it's lots.

I'll agree with you, it's lots.

Chrisy Alvan, thanks so much for joining us on the real story.

Chrisy Alvan, thanks so much for joining us on the real story.

Now, as you know, on.

Now, as you know, on.

The real story, we like to solve all the problems facing Australia in about half an hour each week, and it's fair to say we've got a pretty good track record of doing so. I would say approximately one hundred percent, and I'm about to ratchet it up to one hundred and one because there was a little piece I noticed the conversation by a lecturer in property economics. I didn't even know that was a thing. I'm just a humble art student. Her name's Lyndall Bryant. She's a lecture in property economics at the Queensland University of Technology and she has come up with a solution to the housing crisis. I thought, wow, I'm just going all in on that. I want to get in on the ground floor on that one, both figuratively and literally, and Lindall Bryant has suggested this amazing that you could fix the housing crisis, fix the growth shortage of rental accommodation, not just by unleashing all the empty homes that are going to waste, but by unleashing the empty bedrooms in homes that already have people living in them. She has said, there are thirteen million unused spare bedrooms across the country. That's solve the housing crisis in an instant. I'm sleeping in my spare room. Let's leave my marriage out of this. In a briefing paper for the QUT Center for Justice, little Bright suggests that at least in the interim, these spare rooms could be part of the solution. The census says about three point two million Australian homes have one spare bedroom, another three million have two spare rooms, and another one point two million have three spare bedrooms or more. And she suggested that maybe older Australians, empty nesters who don't don't have to use their entire house or have these empty rooms, could take in borders. Maybe younger people maybe could help his loneliness for older people living on their own to bring in a young person who's trying to get a foothold in the rental property market. I'm not sure how much and eighty four year old would have in common with an eighteen year old moving in. Maybe they could discuss the benefits of Marjong and Kanye West. I'm seeing a lot of mashups. Interestingly, my grandmother was a pioneer in this field.

The real story, we like to solve all the problems facing Australia in about half an hour each week, and it's fair to say we've got a pretty good track record of doing so. I would say approximately one hundred percent, and I'm about to ratchet it up to one hundred and one because there was a little piece I noticed the conversation by a lecturer in property economics. I didn't even know that was a thing. I'm just a humble art student. Her name's Lyndall Bryant. She's a lecture in property economics at the Queensland University of Technology and she has come up with a solution to the housing crisis. I thought, wow, I'm just going all in on that. I want to get in on the ground floor on that one, both figuratively and literally, and Lindall Bryant has suggested this amazing that you could fix the housing crisis, fix the growth shortage of rental accommodation, not just by unleashing all the empty homes that are going to waste, but by unleashing the empty bedrooms in homes that already have people living in them. She has said, there are thirteen million unused spare bedrooms across the country. That's solve the housing crisis in an instant. I'm sleeping in my spare room. Let's leave my marriage out of this. In a briefing paper for the QUT Center for Justice, little Bright suggests that at least in the interim, these spare rooms could be part of the solution. The census says about three point two million Australian homes have one spare bedroom, another three million have two spare rooms, and another one point two million have three spare bedrooms or more. And she suggested that maybe older Australians, empty nesters who don't don't have to use their entire house or have these empty rooms, could take in borders. Maybe younger people maybe could help his loneliness for older people living on their own to bring in a young person who's trying to get a foothold in the rental property market. I'm not sure how much and eighty four year old would have in common with an eighteen year old moving in. Maybe they could discuss the benefits of Marjong and Kanye West. I'm seeing a lot of mashups. Interestingly, my grandmother was a pioneer in this field.

She had a guy called.

She had a guy called.

Nol come and paint her house, and as the day sort of wore on, I've noticed when I'd go over there that Noel was spending slightly less time painting and more time having cups of tea, which my grandmother would very happily.

Nol come and paint her house, and as the day sort of wore on, I've noticed when I'd go over there that Noel was spending slightly less time painting and more time having cups of tea, which my grandmother would very happily.

Make for him. She was a very good host.

Make for him. She was a very good host.

Then Noel started having like sleepovers no with my grandmother. No don't look at me like that, Anna. Anyway, So Noel, it turns out, was sort of kind of a bit homeless. So he started painting, and then so then he was living in the spare room in my grandma's house while painting the house to kind of pay for the board. I'm not sure it did seem to be enough painting going on. I thought to justify that. He also drove heut a mass every week in his little red car. And so there you go, the solution to Australia's property crisis, as pioneered by my grandma and Noel the Painter.

Then Noel started having like sleepovers no with my grandmother. No don't look at me like that, Anna. Anyway, So Noel, it turns out, was sort of kind of a bit homeless. So he started painting, and then so then he was living in the spare room in my grandma's house while painting the house to kind of pay for the board. I'm not sure it did seem to be enough painting going on. I thought to justify that. He also drove heut a mass every week in his little red car. And so there you go, the solution to Australia's property crisis, as pioneered by my grandma and Noel the Painter.

I wonder where he is now.

I wonder where he is now.

And that's all we have time for this week. If you've got any feedback or there's any stories like us to look into, just flick us an email at the Real Story at Nova Podcasts dot com dot au. If you've got a spare room to rent, please contact Noel at Parts Unknown, Places Unknown. If you want to send us a message on Insta, I'm there. You can't miss me. I'm the handsome one. You can also find me by the handle at Joe Underscore.

And that's all we have time for this week. If you've got any feedback or there's any stories like us to look into, just flick us an email at the Real Story at Nova Podcasts dot com dot au. If you've got a spare room to rent, please contact Noel at Parts Unknown, Places Unknown. If you want to send us a message on Insta, I'm there. You can't miss me. I'm the handsome one. You can also find me by the handle at Joe Underscore.

Hildebrand and slide into my DMS. Noel's going to slide into my DMS, do a bit of Peyton and slide back out and I'll see you next week

Hildebrand and slide into my DMS. Noel's going to slide into my DMS, do a bit of Peyton and slide back out and I'll see you next week