Leadership in today's divided world can feel like a total battlefield, and let's be honest—sometimes it's easier to just hide out from the critics. This week, Megan is joined by Drew Williams, the lead pastor at North Point Church, for a incredibly honest look at what it really takes to lead well when the heat is turned up.

Drew opens up about the massive challenge of stepping into giant leadership shoes, dealing with public criticism, and navigating conflict without losing your sanity. He introduces a beautiful picture of leadership: learning to develop the "thick skin of a camel" to survive the scorching heat of everyday problems, while keeping a soft, compassionate heart for the people you serve. If you're managing a team at work, volunteering, or just trying to keep the peace in your own community, this episode is a refreshing reminder that you don't have to choose between boundaries and kindness. Grab your coffee and tune in for some serious wisdom on how to lead with confidence, find true rest, and protect your peace through it all.

Thanks to our sponsor, Ozark Veterinary Clinic!

Leadership in today's divided world can feel like a total battlefield, and let's be honest&mdash;sometimes it's easier to just hide out from the critics. This week, Megan is joined by Drew Williams, the lead pastor at North Point Church, for a incredibly honest look at what it really takes to lead well when the heat is turned up.
Drew opens up about the massive challenge of stepping into giant leadership shoes, dealing with public criticism, and navigating conflict without losing your sanity. He introduces a beautiful picture of leadership: learning to develop the "thick skin of a camel" to survive the scorching heat of everyday problems, while keeping a soft, compassionate heart for the people you serve. If you're managing a team at work, volunteering, or just trying to keep the peace in your own community, this episode is a refreshing reminder that you don't have to choose between boundaries and kindness. Grab your coffee and tune in for some serious wisdom on how to lead with confidence, find true rest, and protect your peace through it all.
Thanks to our sponsor,&nbsp;<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__t.dripemail2.com_c_eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.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.gIj7hTdhFopvEcBUzay5pE82ZmuiV1kySz4J1pVjZn8&amp;d=DwMFaQ&amp;c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&amp;r=ux_7MDobVJweUTsDAx6WvxozYTVP8fIp2wOO-IdRP4Y&amp;m=l_XhCE-a6r9eBdYQBpshwWBKPko5VCUiZdbZoS660jkaGIkYe889dVqiG6g6dDSQ&amp;s=OcaVfBz6vsXhAruZ-8aB8NNZvL2yB7gRoD9zKl2-6tY&amp;e=" data-auth="NotApplicable" data-linkindex="2">Ozark Veterinary Clinic</a>!

The Real Deal Conversations with Megan Deal shares real stories and meaningful conversations to encourage, inspire, and equip you for life's challenges—whether it’s mental health, relationships, work, or leadership.

Through personal experiences and insightful discussions, Megan and her guests work to foster empathy, build connections, and remind you that you're not alone.

New episodes drop every Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts or at aroundtheozarks.com!

The Real Deal Conversations with Megan Deal shares real stories and meaningful conversations to encourage, inspire, and equip you for life's challenges&mdash;whether it&rsquo;s mental health, relationships, work, or leadership.
Through personal experiences and insightful discussions, Megan and her guests work to foster empathy, build connections, and remind you that you're not alone.
New episodes drop every Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts or at aroundtheozarks.com!

The Real Deal Conversations

The Real Deal Conversations with Megan Deal shares real stories and meaningful conversations to encourage, inspire, and equip you for life's challenges&mdash;whether it&rsquo;s mental health, relationships, work, or leadership.
Through personal experiences and insightful discussions, Megan and her guests work to foster empathy, build connections, and remind you that you're not alone.
New episodes drop every Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts or at aroundtheozarks.com!