The Recessing Podcast with Yours Truly. Jeezy is a production of Black Effect and Our Heart Radio. This is Jeezy, Grammy nominated Urban philosopher, philanthropists and entrepreneur, and this is my show, The Recessing Podcast. For years, I used my music to highlight the struggles and issues facing this country the economy, politics, protests, mental health and more. And now strong voices are more important than ever before. On this show, I will speak the powerful people from all walks of life to have real conversations about change, perseverance, and hope. In each episode will feature a sample of a song from my new album, The Recession Too. So, without further ado, let's begin the Recessing Podcast. Let's get it so. Here we are, ladies and gentlemen. You know it's it's it's a happy new year for for some and the rest. We're gonna get it together. Um, without further d Man, this guy right here, you know it's crazy. I grew up listening to him. You know, I remember to click the whole thing. And I was just in my Oldsmobile Cutlers with the European fronts, and I'm like, yo, I gotta get me some bread. I gotta get me some money. Gotta give me some paper man. And and I've been watching this evolution and watching everything he's he's been a part of as far as you know, becoming an entrepreneur, staying relevant, diversifying his portfolio, and just being all around you know, a great example for you know, a lot of the catch is coming up in this game and just knowing you could stay the sane and and still grow and uh without further du you know, he's on the song on the new album to just release on the Recessing It's called the Ghetto And uh, you know, I ain't got a lot of people that I look at and be like, hey man, how you do that? Yere um? But you know you've been around since you know, the masterp days and and even before that, and always been independent. But y'all give it up for for for for E funz a relli E foty the the I don't even know what to call you right now, man, you're coming fresh off the versus and I just want to welcome to the show man. What's up? Big Dog forty representing that Bay area on the Recession podcast right here. Damn, we're trying to get out and that's a fact. Finished college commaculations on that resulation. My father is he dating the drift? Bro? He activated my get our whip split in half by the pulp. We could be our own in the minute. Let's we're dealing with white supremacism, right. It's why I learned what got my blessing. It's a little It's a little jay Z number love, man, love and respect. You know that. Happy new Year, big dog, Happy year, Yes sir, Yes, sir, Happy New Year you too. I was, I was just going through all and stuff, man, And I'm I gotta be honest with you, bro, like I feel like you've still the test of time, you know. And I don't know where you got the energizing battery from, but you you've been rocking with that thing, man, And um, you know, I I, for one, you know, I'm still waiting on that. It might be out there. I don't know, like I'm just gonna put it out there, but I'm still waiting on that. Uh that efort the definition of slang. I mean that that d I never did it. I definitely yeah, yeah, you gotta do it. And so so let me ask you this. So, so I've been in the Bay Area. Actually I just left out there and I actually I rode through Valeto and I'm like, damn, Like when you look at Oakland, you look at Valleo, you look at San Francisco, you look at all the babe, you look at all the water, and you're just like, damn, Like what do y'all get this coolness for? Like we're just flamboyant, like just when you get your words from man, let's start there. I think a lot of us our families are grandparents. They came from the South and they moved, you know, like the military, being in the military and stuff like that. So they moved someone to Richmond, someone to Oakland, someone to Valleo at merr Island, someone to Alameda Air Force Base. You understand what I'm saying. So a lot of them moved to the Bay Area, and you know, the South. You know that's that Like like I always say, like my Richmond all, my Richmond partners, a lot of them got gold. They got that one gold teeth or they got a whole brill full of gold too. But I'm like I sayd y'all was born with permanent gold teeth right from Mississippi. Couple of Louisiana. Like my daddy from Mississippi, from Kenton, Mississippi. He came out of the four team. My grandmama and my granddad, they're from Bernice, Louisiana, you know. And my mom you know, you know, she she the third oldest, so she got a dose of it and everything. She's the third old is out of eleven kids, you know. Oh man, yeah, so so so so something. Some of this, some of this um came from just your South roots, yeah, definitely. Yeah. And then just being in the Bay area period, Like it's involved, like it's these are this is what the hustle is. That this is what wheen you well understand we you we make we make a way out of no way, no choice. You know a lot of us were in the hood by by force, not by choice, you know, correct, you know that's that's real. And so you know, um, it's it's it's just the b it's the you know they tell me my old g said, man, wherever you go, man uphold your badness. Man, the Bay is serious about being the Bay. You know what I'm saying. You know, it's coaching, it's really, Um, I was out there with with your guy that was shooting the video was in East Oakland, and I swear to you we pulled up to a store and there was nobody out there. Within about five minutes, it was thousands of you know, they're coming through doing the dope nut. You just see it, and when you see it in person, he was just like, damn, like this is a whole you know, and and even the music. It's just like it's a culture and you gotta be from there to know how to move to it, to understand what they're saying and and and it's been like that forever. So I almost feel like y'all I call like like like the bay Um, like like Cuba, like y'all reserved all. Y'all know what I'm saying. Y'all right, right, you know what I'm saying, Like you go to Cuba, like you know, you in Cuba, you know what I'm saying, because it's just like they reserve everything, and when you get there, it's like it's not watered down. It's all solid. And y'all got people that's um you know, that's been doing it for a long time. To consider legends out there that that a lot of us in the South, you know, might only know one of two records, but y'all know, you know their whole discography, and and when you play it as timeless and you know, for me like just watching it, just coming up and listening to the slang. You know, even back then, you know, I used to hear you know, the hurricane and and and and the old mobiles and the cause and the and the things you just had to do to be cool. And I'm in the South, I'm in Georgia, so you know, at the time, it's just like I didn't have a lot to pull from my head, like you know, the masterpieas and cash money and things like that. But what I liked about your movement, um, it's like it seemed like you had your sisters somebody rapping with your sugar t shoot. I would want to say we made the first rap duor gold record ever. That will sprinkle me. You know the fact that when the album went Platforum, so the single went because the single was on the platinum and that was the main single that pushed it. Wow, this was was this was this independent of this was like this one. Well we did Cap and saber Hoole and and some other ones, you know, together that was independent and this was independent too through Drive Records, But I had major distribution deal back then, yeah before before before anybody, before any of those rappers. What did you get that business sense from? Like, because you know, we were just trying to get in the game. But it seemed like you guys had it sold up, like you understood the business part of it. And I can imagine back then y'all was probably getting people right around you to make the make the music and the beats and the production everything. So everything was pretty much in the house. But how did you know the even going there and say, you know, we got to do a semi fi deal off the rip. Well, you know, I was laced by the best man. Like I said, I mentioned Pete earlier, which I love, I got them, but love and respect for Pete. That's a friend of mine, straight up. And you know you might have heard him mentioned. A guy by the name of St. Charles. Charles is my mama's brother. That's my uncle. Oh okay, he he laced us. You know, we learned together, but he laced us. He knew. He taught me so much more than just music. He taught me how to be a man. You know. And and stand on morals and respect. He taught me how to go get a bank account. I always looked up to him, and I was a young man little I used to always say, I say, Charles, say char I don't want to make a I can want I want to make a record? Was that? And this all the time with the money with shout out to St. Charles Man, that's hard, so so so basically, And that's the thing is just like when you look at the you know, the music into just so y'all know, listening out there, like forty'd been doing this for a long time, but he never watered down his brand. So for him to say that he was doing independent moves back then, and what you gutts see now, um is how these junks are going straight from uh you know, from from from the studio to consumer. It's something that he already had put in play. So y'all, y'all was basically almost selling CDs out of the trunk at one We were going to barbershops, were going to uh rims and tire shops, you know, were all the deep boys will go to. You're gonna see anywhere, you're gonna find somebody else, got some bread, you know the barbershop, you know was the liquor store. We had our CONCESSI our vinyl and c D s all that ship weight because you know, we came in and eight you know what I mean, our first album came out, Our EP came out, and eight to Click we was m VP Most Valuable Players. And then we changed our name like eight months later. To the Click was the first one. But we would go to you know, um, all the liquor stores put out I'll drop off thirty fifty consents or whatever or whatever it is, whether the vinyl concess or c D s and you understand me, and put them on consignment. Had a consignment. I used to give my bus the briefcase, put it up you had you had, and I'll be in my cutler. I go to my pull out and put out the box cascesss or whatever. Drop it off in like places like M and M's Liquor, our bills and wheels. You know what I'm saying. Uh, you understand me, Rich arts, barbershop, places like that, And once they sold through the thirty fifty UM cascess or whatever, then they pay us on that and then I'll drop off more. Right then, and there have it right there there, I'll write and receipt, we'll walk the whol bam. You know. Then we had then we also cooked up with Music People, which is a one stop Music People and City Hall Records, and they became the main hub for so anybody that wanted to order. My uncle St. Charles made this made this list up where he got anybody. He got a list of a big encyclopedia book. But it was just like nothing but phone numbers and contacts of anybody that dealt with any rap music, any retail store, any moment pop store that deal with rap music period. And he would put all that together and here and he has sent out packages through pitney Ball, pitney Ball, um ups and its. It was snail mail back then. It might you know, end up in the brastar end up in Kansas City at seventh Heaven. Seventh Heaven, uh probably you know, uh eight days later. But to get there. So once they once they got there, you know, um, he would have here put here, piece of free concess in there just for the energy life. Here you go, man, just get these out to whoever got some slapping their trump or whatever, and they'll do it. And man, when they when they've seen the covers in the way our lifestyle was on the album covers and stuff, they'll be like, these dudes, let me slap their music in there. And they you know, they spreading the word word of mouth, get around. Now that's all going everywhere. It's everywhere like it. So that's how I went, man, you know what I'm saying. And that's crazy because it's just like if you just something our suec I want to just ask you this because just De Bay Areas is a tech hub period. But just imagine, you know, because the story that you're telling is basically because a lot of these casts is coming up now. They're just uploading their music and it's out there so they don't have to do none of the leg work and and and have no encyclopedias of contacts. And just imagine you're Madagine if if the tech was up then and you was doing that game. But I mean, efore they would be on the Billy right now, man ship man, and you know, and and but we had hard time. It was hard. It wasn't this easy, you know, especially me being from a little city called Valo, California. You know, and you know now you can just push a button, man, and your music goes out to millions of people every Yeah, you can go in the studio right now, you go, I see you an instrumental, or you sent me an instrumental. We put a hook on that bit. You knock out the first I knocked out my first tonight, And next thing, you know, we can have that thing uploaded with them twenty four hours, you know what I'm And they already like seeing what it's doing and monitoring it. And so you guys had to basically um sell, sell cassettes and keep up with what you were selling and then go out and buy some actual more cassettes because and that's another thing too. I don't think they understand. It's like you guys had to actually put the music on the cassettes. So it's a process. It wasn't like you just got the cassettes. So it was a whole thing. You know, it's a trip jeezy back then, and you probably got a dose of this too, I'm pretty sure back then, late eighties, early nineties, all that ship. Man, it's a trip because when we did, like when we mixed, when we're mixing down songs, we only we had two inch reels, but we're doing on a two inch real. And it was a two inch real costs like two hundred fifty dollars two two hundred fifty to three hundred dollars each two inch rel. But it only held three songs. Three songs. You can get it for two hundred fifty. You can get a hard drive that hold thousands. Yeah, you know, it's terrify, you know what I'm saying that like, but she was. She was on two inch real though, y'all. It was big boy in there. Man. I started off with with, uh, what's it? D eight eighth? We did all like you know, that was no. My first ship m VP Most Valuable Class was missed mixed by al eating Um al Eaton and that was in Richmond, California. He missed it on a VHS tape Bro used to master. On the VHS tape that was our master. We sent it to Rainbow Records out there in southern California, pressed up the vinyl m VP Most Valuable Players. We used to get all our stuff. We ordered all our products from Rainbow Records, so we would have to a bunch of um uh you know the actual uh you know the actual covers, did you slide inside the insert We had to order. We had to order extra them every time because that was the main thing that took a long time to get to get done. So we ordered, like if I gotta if I got a p O from City Hall Records for maybe fifty thousand records, you know, were ordering a whole. We weren't tripled that many you know um coverage for the you know, the inserted and jewel cases. So we would have when when when it was delivered to us, I would have probably a whole like probably about you know cases of cassets. Our CDs in my garage are a mixture of boats in my garage. St. Charles had the same amount of his garage. Shot had the same amount of his garage. Be Legita had the same amount of his garage. So anytime we got a p O, you know what I'm saying, we have, we're gonna pick up a a uhawl truck and gonna take it down the City Hall Records and Sam Raphael are the Oakland that Jason Blaine want uh want stop, you know what I'm saying. So you know that was crime BROI six sick with the records I remember because be Leg is one of my favorite rappers. You know what I'm saying, Like, I just it's be Legit slid. You wouldn't picked him up out the block and like, Yo, broke me here to the studio. You want to come? He's like, we see it. I don't really you know, know about the studio, but I just you know, it's like he just talked like he just walked off the ports Man. Yeah love wrapper. Yeah, we thought it off together and we ended together, and you know, yeah, y'all spoke several times, y'all. You know, yeah, yeah, it's solid. We don't out of Miami one day. Yeah, we all gotta Miami one night. Man be a little solid, yeah yeah yeah, but but sometimes you know, you you you you gotta be that to get that ghetto trophy. Like when you have cats like myself, I grew up listening to and staying solid because of the moors and in the values and the integrity that we got from you know, cats like yourself. Um, you know, so shout out for bealing for that and also yourself sick with it records, Like even when I was coming up, my whole thing was you know, and a lot of people don't know. I didn't even start off as an artist. You know, I wanted to be a CEO, you know what I mean. So I want to sign some cats from my neighborhood, and quite naturally, they got into you know, a whole bunch of things. It's so crazy. I want to sign some cats from my neighborhood. One of them, uh end up going to prison and the other two some crazy it happened with him. But it's crazy because just two weeks, three weeks, like maybe two months ago, I was I had a party in Atlanta after the verses and I went to the club and when I got out of the car, I seen my little homie that I had signed. He just did nineteen years. You know what I'm saying, nineteen years And I'm not like damn. So he was one of my first artists that I signed, and he did nineteen years. So for you know, that's my first time seeing him since he got home. He had been home maybe like a year, so and uh, but I'm just saying. So I went in with that mentality to be a CEO when they got locked up. That's how I ended up being the artist because all my money was tied up in the studio and what I was doing, so I really didn't have a choice. So I had to kind of figure it out myself. And my man was like, man, you remember rapping phote? Of course, of course I always remember what he said. He said, a lot of these players that make some real good rhyme, says, you know what I mean. So what he's basically saying is a lot of cast that's from the inner city, from the lord development houses and whatnot. You know, they are the ones who spent the most game. They the ones who went through it and seen it all and to the streets better so that the state they relate. And that's me and that's your self, you know, you know what I'm saying. I was, uh, you know, but it's crazy because just like when you think about and you know, we could talk about music all day, but I really I really respect your business mindset because it started record label back then and and put your people on and set up this whole uh you know, conglomerati. But but it came off of you know, your your your your swagger and the things that you was doing and what you was building around and your team. Because everybody had their own things like you had a death row. We knew what that was about. You had you know, the dog Pound was Snoop and all these different people. But it was like your music was like hustle music. But but like you know, you're cool, like you you ain't you ain't on like it's always about the bread, you know, it's always about about you know, how you're feeling. You know, just you know with your ride, what you're smoking on and how you coming through. And they create a record because I remember y'all had they had the change with the with the pig on it, sick with it right right, had the pig on it is to show because you know out here and you probably heard it before, were hawks like Savage Beastie sick with it all. We're sick with it. So we're about we're about that money may money hungry react right right right? You greedy gotta have, you gotta eat, you gotta got it. But what I'm saying is like for you to even like because you gotta think like us, us as individuals from the from the from the block, from the soil, you know, for us to turn what we know into a business, because you gotta think if you didn't start that back then, you wouldn't be the efforty that we know now. And you started back then and you built the company basically, you know what I'm saying. You built the company from the game that you was given and just to have that type of inside I don't know, you got some game from some players, Pe and and all these guys it was around, but you started this whole thing that's been an imprint in in in debay ever since and even to this day. But it's still business though, because E forty was like E forty was like the smart hustler. You ain't never really heard your name and nothing crazy, Like you don't really get caught up, you know what I mean. You stay out the way, but then all of a sudden when you pop out, it's like, oh that's forty, you know what I'm saying. So it's just like for you to have that mindset, you know, back then, because even now if you look a lot of casts of starting labels and and and doing different things, but it ain't the same because you don't know where it's based from. Like you know, to have a home basis, like when you think about p and these guys, you think about New Orleans and what they came from. You had to know that baby and him was from two different sides of the bridge, because they got two different ways of thinking. But then when it comes to to to to to the Bay, you know, you guys had uh, you know, you guys had uh, what's what's my man? From the silly Sale back in the day. But like it was so different from what you was because was doing. You know, it's a trip with my mama and Selly sell parents. My mom and my daddy and Selly sell parents went to school together. You know, me and Shelly Sale little I stay on Mac I lived on Magazine Street. So you go on the Magazine Street, go all the way from Glenn Cove all the way into South Valo, right, So it's a long street. So Celly Sell right there on the hundred block. Then you make a you make a left coming into Hollywood Street. He stayed on Hollywood Street, walking distance. We grew up together. We we was we was moving around in the traffic together. You know, me and Jail were really from the grid, from playing baseball to the to the to the streets to executive weeks. You know what I'm saying. So it was so sell me and be Legit peeped it out. He was like, this is boy trying to do his own thing. Man, he sounded good. He gave us a cassette one day. We're like this boy lightweight jam be Legit. Me and be Legit looked at each other. It was like, man, we need to go holiday them on some business. He need we right right, right right. And we went to dinner and and you know, he was like, let's go tonight. Yo. I heard that ship and was wow. I was like yo. But you got to understand you was motivating cats like myself because we were stuck in rural areas in the South, and it's just like, you know, we was either um, you know, West Coast influence or at the time, New York influence. So to get something else that was there was more relatable to us. You know, we just started to kind of understand who we were as a culture, you know what I'm saying. Like we started to be like, okay, we we we we could dress like this, we could ride like that, we could talk like this, and we don't feel you know, we don't feel like we're we're off degree. But you know, we all wanted to be like New York for as, the way the way they dressed it, they was fresh. They got the fashion capital. But then we we we say, man, you know, we gotta be us. We gotta be us. We know that's three ship. We gotta spit that ship. We gotta spit that ship. We gotta give life lessons in it too. Between spitting three ship, it's all shooting up pay But I don't gonna I'm on his head, nigger. Yeah, we know you're nigga the option. You understand men, nigga, you know we scored and it's different. It's game involved. You gotta put a game in why this happened, you know how how you didn't want it to happen. But it was mis misunderstanding. He didn't want to get on the phone and holland nig you want to have on me, niggas was It's just all kind of ship like you gotta put the story with that ship. Got to be a method to the madness that you spit. Man, you know, and sometimes and and and and a message and and a message and the takeaway definitely know what I'm saying. Man, you've been doing a few years. I've been doing a few years. Many of us mad, you know. Yeah, So that's that's what. That's what that's when you you know, you get As I get older, I get even wiser. And when I was young, I was wise. I was my piece like that, you know. Mmmm yeah. But to me, it's just like when you think about music and like it's the takeaway that made it real for me because a lot of these things you can't read in the book, and you can't you know, you can't go sit down with somebody and they give it to you that raw. So with the music, I learned a lot of this ship, I know, you know, through music, you know, I learned a lot of things just watching how Park you know, put words together and what he stood on because I'm like, oh he got you know, and a lot of those things left with him as far as like morals in the game and you know, certain things you shouldn't do putting your people on, Like we didn't know all that because you can't. You're not gonna get that from your uncle. You're not gonna get that music, right. I learned a lot of music too. I learned a lot from listening to Public Enemy and down productions. I don't even know anything, you know, Malcolm X, because they didn't teach us that in school when I was growing up. You know, I don't know who Malcolm mentionment is. And I'm a half a hundred years old. I don't even know who he was. And I got like, you know, eighteen years old when I first heard her Bookie down Production, seventeen years old. Seventeen eighteen years old, you know what I'm when I was at Granda State University. The boys, you know, it's always a message in Caress one. You know music, Bro, that's that's a bad brother. I never did I got my I got doing ad lib from him, Like yeah, I was doing that back in the eighties. I got it from Karen's one and then many others fun you know yeah, like like myself, Like myself, I thought I was the ad lib Can you doing ad libs in the eighties? Man? That's crazy, But it's even crazy to see how you like so, like you know when back when John Little John and them was popular, like John Man had it sold up, it was it was it was solid, you know what I'm saying, Like there was no club anywhere that you can go in and wasn't playing Little John and what they hed going on, and really Little John them kind of put Atlanta on the map as far as a sound other than what Outcare was doing. But I kind of people how you how you kind of got in with them because it was just like, you know, you was like a country cousin, you know what I mean. And it was like I kind of saw the play, but it was it kind of shold me where you were there because a lot of people from the Baby wasn't hooking up with Southern artists like that, you know what I'm saying. So it was like you was ahead of your head of the curve, like you kind of just you know, many moons ago. Um. It was a guy by the name of Greg Street. Um, yes, sir, my god, that's my guy, sir, yes, sir yes. And I'm out there in Dallas because I got Kim Folk in Dallas and whatnot. And you know, me and Greg, we was already Holland and nine he once, so we had Federal. I had Federal out in de Ha. You could call me on the if you need someone to talk to, just down my number. He had that, and I had um the Alan Federal. So he street said, man, take to take the beat to the Federal and you know, and and put and talk about all all the you know, the neighborhoods and the soils around Dallas. And I did. I talked about oak Clifton, you know, in good in a good way. And he didn't. And it was called six o'clock time for six o'clock. At six o'clock time for three to rock like that, right debt put me in, you know with Dallas because with it did? They played that during his show every night. The next thing, you know, me d shot shaking tea and and Vila came with Captain Saborhoe right like right after, like after in nine Greg three say this one boy, watch what I do with this blew it up, blew it up out there at nine box, yes, sir, the one. Because I used to be in the South all the time. I used to be out there with Little Jay Prince and them, you know, with Ja Prince and um and you know all the US square face, UM, you know all of you know, DJ screw all in you understand me. Three tune them in the convicts, you know, all them boys, Big Mike and all of them. Man. I used to be out there. Later on, I was still out there with Paul Waldam and Chamellionaire. So I've always been looking with the South overall and in Atlanta and stand me. You know jazz Fabe. We've been rocking with jazz Faye for many moments. People like jazz Faye. Um, you know pim C. He moved to the he moved there. You know who. He's out there with them. We got If people listen, they'll find a lot of stuff. Eight B on m j G that I was on the album's way back. I'm on eight j G saying my hallway it's A. It's A. It's a triple album. I was it was called lost. I was on that. You know what I'm saying. I've been rocking with the West for many moons, with Nelly and all of them casts like I've been. It's like I try to tell people, man, it's bet it's more than I said. I'm I ain't I ain't local, I'm global. Main it's it's bigger than It's bigger than seven blocks and seven continents. You know what I'm saying. Tell them go from me in Spain. I love But the thing is, I love the way, because even a lot of these casts you mentioned, and that the clearly legends in that time. You know, the thing that I think that separates from you from them is you understand what gevity is about. And I don't. I don't quite understand how you put it together. But it's like, you know, forty is forty, Like you know it, don't even it, don't swap. It's like and it's just like you got a way to stay in the pocket and stay and even when you even when you kind of kick it with the youngsters, it's like you you sound like you're comfortable, Like you don't you know what I'm saying, Like you don't feel like you're forcing anything, and just to have all those decades of gevity, you know, it says something about you know, just the way you set your your whole you know, just your whole thing up because if you want, like even when I did together, I was like, can't nobody talk like this, but you I gotta reach out because ain't nobody else got that much history that that understands what I'm trying to say, you know what I mean. So I don't know what it is, but I feel like I'm waiting on the book. That's all' gonna say. I'm just waiting on the book to each other. Bro, you know we know that want of cornbread and porking beans. We talked that ship because we're from it, right, You're from the air. What you know, your mamma, pinch you. I'm gonna pitch you. Boy. You know what I'm sat pinch you know what I like. It's it's a different cloth we cut from. You know what I'm saying. And I'm and I know I know that, Like I know you anstand me every part of my body. Man, I know this. Yeah, yeah, but I mean but you, but but how did you? How did you? How did you navigate just staying like relevant in pocket and not sacrificing anything. So you know, you know what we gotta do. It's like it's like getting up the back. You know. You gotta keep your eye on the ball because you don't know if it's gonna throw you a curve drop, you understand me, a fastball, whatever, you just gotta You don't know if they fit the BAF and it hit you, You're not gonna be ready to duck if a dude depending on nothing but you. You gotta keep eye, keep your eye on the ball, because it's all about turn with the times. Are the times gonna turn on you? Or I should say with the times, are the times gonna change on you? Because what happens is, you know, um, you could do all this stuff music, with the with the with the slaps, all the slaps that you funk with. If you're a real artist like you, you know how to funk up. You've been on the up Temple slaps with us, you know what I'm saying. You was on the remix that was some big ship. But you did it, your wife, you don't sound out of place. It's all about real artists gonna be able to adjust to any particular kind of beat. I don't given and that's me. And you can still be you by adjusted to them beasts. But just be you find that pocket, be you spit your ship, you know what I'm saying. And so I went from you know, don't get it sucked up. Mob music is my ship. I love my music. I got a song out called right Now getting great reaction, you know what I'm saying, video and on and the falcon, a green falcon with with zenas and vols. Yeah, you know you know what I'm saying, we'reving and we up temple. We're doing it all. So that's it. That's just keep rounding the ball, and that's how you stay relevant and keep and if you keep throwing ship at the wall, eventually that's that's ship on stick. And you gotta just fold on like a hubcap in the fast length. Even even when the rug was took from the Bay Area, it was podcast the West Post kind of like you know, the rug was like and the South took over, like you know what I'm saying, which which is no problem, but you know me, the Watermelon already was working with the South because we family, you know what I'm saying. So I'm funk with the South cast. I'm on. I'm on Master Peena, I'm on cash, money, backers and albums. I'm on all. Then mind we're rocking because we always take one another, you know what I'm saying. So that's how we That's how I did it. And then when it's your turn when to come back around, just be right when the ball, when the ball when coming to you and you're trying to you know, you know, catch that shi and receive it right right right, say stay ready, you ain't gotta get red, Damn man. I respect that. It's crazy too, because I always felt like just even going back to sick with it watching your semi five deal and even to now see you if they're sipping it looks like you're sipping on some of that that forty wine, you know, the Earl Stevens. Know what I'm saying, Um, I like your business, bro, Like I love the music, but I love the business because you know, it's all funny games and to everybody find out the guys in the soups work for somebody like yourself, for the Scully and I love that. And it's crazy too, just not to mention because I just left napping myself, and when I was out there, it's actually my first time really getting to go and see what was going on. When I was looking all the wine nions and I'm just watching everything and I'm going, damn, like, this's a real thing. Got that? So for you to already be plugged in it makes a lot of sense. But it says a lot about you, you know what I'm saying. It says that you got out there and you and you talked about these different drinks and the slurry, the hurricanes and all the stuff you was doing and then you just put it all together and it goes with the brand of who you are today because that you've grown, you flying, you know what I'm saying, and you and you get it. But now you gotta wine with your name or that. I come on, man, you grew up like I grew up. We go to frigerator, ain't nothing, And now how you get your own wine? You know what I'm saying. You know, just like you know wants you see want you in it? You in it. So what I've learned, especially being an entrepreneur, when they say, you know, when they say black excellence and when they say black entrepreneurs, and you know by black, I'm the epitome of that because that's me. I'm that, I'm the you know that's me one thousand percent because I'm the I'm the I'm probably one of the few. I don't know how many of us they got that my own tequila straight from police school mare he called that's on one by me. Okay, um, my own coney act from Corneak, France. That's on one by me. That's Tycoon Cone and put into tequila. That's not tequila out of Jalisco, Mexico. That's all one on by me. Equadinta means e forty in Spanish. You know, um tycoon. I've been screaming at tycoon words since I was you know, ankle low to a centerpiece toe. You know, my first entered the rap game. You understand what I'm saying. So then you got and then I got. Now I got my own and I got my own wine. So what happened was, you know, being being next door to Napae what I'm saying, I'm talking five minutes outside of Nappa bro v Leo, California. We got the same area called seven oh seven. You know, I mean, it was only right to to make my own wine, you know. And I started off selling wine online and then one thing led to another next thing, you know, you know, the descributor I hooked up. I went to go meet a distributor called Southern Glaziers Wine and Spirits and a brother, a guy by the name of Steve hart Steve Harton, which is a great guy. And he accepted my meeting. He liked it. The wine he brought me in, you know, for distribution. So you know, at first I've started off. I saw my first palette, a palette that's fifty six cases with twelve bottles in the case. Cases to food for lesson vallel booth for us is a chain. They have a whole bunch of them in um southern California as well. I think they got like a hundred fifty of them. But so that was that was my first palette. Okay, bam. So the guidess in charge of my portfolio, my boy Kevin. He said, Earl watched one day, we're gonna come pick up a whole truckload of your wine. Watch man. They did that in no time, Bro. They did that probably like three weeks later. That's how big that the man was. They do. You know truck loads Now, truckload is twenty one pallets to each palace cases on the palace. So it's a thousand, thousand fifty pretty much a thousand cases per truck load. You understand what I'm saying. So in each truck load, it's it's you know, it's a it's a lucrative business when you when you yeah, absolutely, I mean, listen, I don't care what you got a truck load up, whatever you got if it's right right right. I just I think I think that I mean, I'm gonna use the word I think that's fascinating because it's just like you just take you know, how to take the land and eat off the land, whether it's you know, making the music that the culture understands, of figuring out ways to you know, just to to to to to expand your portfolio. Even like being in being in the Bay and being close to San Francisco and making the Microsoft investment. It's just like I would have never put the two and two together back then to be like, yo, this is the same guy that was telling me don't save him, but he making Microsoft, Like tell me what to tell me what that's about? Like I get when I did Microsoft that I didn't. I didn't catch it when I wanted to, when when everybody else when it really but you know what I'm saying, I just wanted to get in it because I thought that's the only one I knew of, you know, So that wasn't that wasn't that didn't turned out to be such a big you know, such a big return for me, you know, but I did it. That was the beginning, and you always gotta start from somewhere as we know. So I did it and next thing, you know, Um, I ended up later on years later, you know, because I did you know, I did clubs and half that. Did you ever come to my club ambassador's lounge. I wouldn't. I wouldn't doubt it, right ever used to light as fast forward and ended up um doing environament, doing like not a vitamin water, but doing a water called forty water with my man Kobe. He had highie energy, drink, beverages and ship you know. But I had Cordy handle all that because I was new to it, like you know, and so so on the fourth and so going past that, Um, I ended up doing, you know, of course, buying a whole bunch of property by the houses, you know, and I fixed them up. But at the same time I would buy new development, new houses and in new development areas right whether it was stopt in Sacramento over layout, you know what I'm saying me like all over the Bay Area, and I would, Um, I sit on some houses when they brand new, I sit them into into it, you know it, rise up, make my profit on that and didn't sell it. Then a lot of times I would have a property management handle the house that had um session eight you know what I'm saying, and the property man as my team or pay me. They collect all the money every month. That was a beautiful thing. How are you? How are you coming up with all this? Like and you doing music and staying relevant at the same time, like it was a team this you getting up saying, you know what, I need to go buy full or five houses to flip. I was later so, but going back with me and my brother had a clothing store, Me and d Shot nineteen eighty nine, ninety and ninety one. You know what I'm saying. We had a clothing store on Salano Avenue and Valeo called New Fat Clothing. Next door to us was Davenport. You know, they did taxes, so they came intore one day. My man Keith Towns. He was like Earl, you know, he always spending with us. He always coming in and buying some clothes and really supporting the black business. We want we're teenagers, right, really coming in there supporting black business. And uh he was like, man, who do y'all taxes? And I say, um right, he said, man, let's beat Tom. You come in here with the white and myself and you and let's sit down and talk, you know. And they even doing my taxes every since, you know, for thirty some years. Right, So then you got UM. You also have a man, Dave Dave Dave Souls. He he's a you know, he helped build a lot of big developments. You know. Uh, he had a lot to do with me getting all my property and stuff like that. He laced me like that too. You know what I'm saying. They always I was just I just listened to all of O g s. You know what I'm saying. You're right right with that whole shopping sitting. It was that the whole um shopping mall area on that one street right across street from Churches Chicken in Millersville. So you had to check cashing on the corner right there, you had UM. You had us next door to the check cashing, and then you had rich Arts Barbershop. Then right next doing the rich Arts barbershop, you had Studio Tone. Studio studio Tone. You know you ever had a studio tone, the one who made Captain save a Whole and who yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. We were So I take my little change that I'm making over a new fat clothing and I go drop a little deposit down, say studio tone. I just need like four hours, bro, he said, Okay, give me the puns right quick, and I come down there. I have my lyrics already written while I'm in the store behind the cash register. I'm back there writing at the same time to listen to the music, you know what I'm saying, and so already should already written. So when I go in there that fo I was, I'm knocking out four or five songs at once. Songs. Yeah, I had a lot, and I was straight from you know what I'm saying right. You know, this is a trip, all of it all unfolded, man. You know it's a trip. Man. I got so many stories they're speaking of that, like, um, this book of slang, is is it together? Is it coming out? What's going over you? Hell of pages? Like I can go. I probably go upstairs and go find a big gas book of that, and I probably think they need to go pull it out because I know some words in there that I ain't even be saying. And I need to sign because it's it's unlimited game and it's in it's ahead of its time, it's futuristic. You know a lot of people like you know. I don't know if you've seen my frustration a little bit on versus when I was just I hate how it's so many games goofy as motherfucker's out there that really just think I'll be talking crazy like I don't really know what I'm saying, and all my words really be meaning some ship and it's really I'm put my little twist to a lot of it, but it's real ship, and it's too much game for their brank that they lame bro when I say that it's over here, like Zo, it really is over the here, like the blood, remember the blue they got they gotta be like but but you got you gotta be. You gotta be from that to understanding. That's what make coaches dope because it's just like you. When I went to New Orleans, I was just like, oh, okay, that's a real thing. Because when I heard, you know, Juvie and all them guys talking like that, I was like, what the hell. But when I went to New Orleans, like, oh, I get it. And it's crazy because I say that out respect, because I love Bob Marley. I listened to his music, you know, and I always felt like he was legendary. But the minute I went to where he was from, which is seven mile of Jamaica, is up in the mountains whatever, and I got around his people, the people that really grew up with him, and I just watched how they live and what they've done and how they talked about him. I got it instantly. The things that he talked about was their way of life. We just took it his music. So if you didn't get whether it was coming from and get how, you know they really smoked. The guns are to just kind of release because they worked so hard and they grind so because you go to Jamaica, everybody grinding, grandma's kids everything. So it's just like what they celebrate through is the music and and and it's not about just being rich. It's about being rich and hard. And that's what he was kicking. So if you don't, if you if you're not from that soil, and you don't understand that part of the coaching, right you just going through the music, so where you coming from, it's just like, you know, the the young cat with all the game, that's the one that's leading the pack you know what I'm saying, that's the one that got that confidence and he talking the way he's talking, and that's what are we following because be like DN, he knows something that we don't know. And what I did see, um, going a little bit back to the verses, is that you know what you in short did for that error in that time was was so real because everybody that you guys were raising and it was listening to what you was doing and living that got a chance to live that, you know what I'm saying, got a chance to be that that night and celebrate, celebrate the slag, celebrate the terminology, celebrate the times in in the era. You know what I mean. And I commend you and um short for even yeah he feeling. I saw some things online. I was tripping there. I saw one guy dance with his baby. I was like, you know, he gotta be for me. His open to a lot of people love that boy. Man. Everybody in there they love they love everybody that was in that video. And explain explain to us, like why why that was such Because I got a lot of partners from the bay and it's crazy to I got a lot of partners from Detroit. Did did connect with y'all. It's almost like y'all y'all like cousins. But explain, you know, to the people why that was so such a big moment in history and town, because that was the stuff we took him back to was when, um, you know, when some of the people that was listening was living the lifestyle of the stuff we was talking and they can relay easy. They can relate like this nigger this when I was sitting on two hundred thou Wow, you know what this this mentality? You know, then you got some little you got some ysters. There was like dadny I remember you used to slap this. This was your one right here, you know, years old. Now you know what I'm saying. More you know what I'm saying. So it's like and then you know, even with the when I when we start turning up to the up up temples and some of the um you know, the hype music and shift. A lot of yannsters grew up on that ship like that, the college cancer like some of the best times. So you know, I always say one thing about myself and too short. We were able to, you know, be be part of every generation of hip hop effort. You know, I was too young, like you know, eight years old or something in the seventies, you know, come out or whatever, you know, but every part of the hip hop, every every every trend, every era of hip hop adjust to it. We were able to adjust to the times. And you know from the mob music, the g From area and even before that, you know, the Blackfish area. You know we had African Dowons and everything. You know, you know all that, man, you know, it's just like you gotta, you gotta. You can't let grass grow under your feet. I tell him off, like, ain't never sitting steel. Hell, you can't let the grass grow in the year. You gotta stay moving. You know, comet still but a broken down bottel you feel yea, man, We're gonna keep it moving. We gonna do it. You know I'm talking about man. But see, it's crazy because you just said that. I understood everything you said. But it's gonna be some people out there that's gonna clearly that game game googy. I love it. So you you intended to uh HBCU, Like, what how does that go? Man? How does ford go to college? Like? Explain this to me? Like that my life well, I learned so much and everything, man, you know, And I didn't go through the whole five years or our four years. I went one year and that's when I went. In the fall of eight s eighties seven came back. That's when we made m VP. We went straight to the studio most players, that's what it came out. So anyway, um, I went to college. So check this out. I have. I'm gonna be honest with you. You know, one thing I wanted back when we if you didn't pass in the twelfth grade, if you didn't pass, that was very embarrassing. Like if you didn't pass, if you from your government class, you ain't you ain't graduating. So that was embarrassing. So me and my partners on magazine Shore, we all get together go to the library, like nigga, we ain't going out like that, nigger, y'all go, y'all go to therary. We went to the library back then, Yeah, to do for that particular era, just for that little government class. Right. We didn't have Google with ship like that. Just looks up some ship graduated in nineteen five. I was seventeen years old. It wasn't because I was hell of smartness. Just my birthday was November. I'm a spl so it fell on the right day. So I gratulated, you know, but I don't want to. I wasn't for the funk man. I said, man, we're gonna pass our government class man. And I did it. So anyway, I had enough, you know, I had enough um my great point alsum was enough to get into Grandma State University. I wasn't gonna go at first. I didn't have no clue to even go. But Bevila, you know, beat the people don't know Beata streets mark. He's street smart and he's got smart. He's soiled all away one. But he also, like many others, are very smart up here, you know what I'm saying. So Bieler pulled up one day, he was like, man, you know the next month, next month, me and Dion were from we were going to Graham State University. I say, Grandma State University. He just yeah, I said, and he just uh. I say, nigga, you ain't gonna leave me. Nigga, Hold up, she said, she said, I called I got aunt that stay up there right. Uh. She actually was a teacher at Gramma State University. You know, I didn't like I didn't. We didn't realize this year. I didn't realize that, you know what I'm saying. So anyway, I get up there. I didn't get up there, I'll say I wouldn't. Got my transcript from Hogan High. And then I got in there. I got into Graham. You know. We stayed with my my, my, my great great ground, my great grandmama. Her name was mine ylv. You said, we so all, y'all stay, I tell you, yeah, so we how can be just mustang at that time? Right? And we go we uh we d We drove up there. And at that time, I was seventeen. I'm I'm I ain't gonna lie. I didn't know how all my cars was automatics. I didn't know how to drive a stick. I didn't know. I don't you know motherfucker's He asked me, Am, I gonna get in because I funk with all the bike club all the casts in the bike clubs. Right, get your motorcycle. Man, you're gonna put your Harley. I say, hell no, I don't a motorcycle. Everything automatic, nigger. I'm saying, I gave me a motherfucking Harley truck, nigga Harley and the last you know, I'd be in there. Yeah, that's I get in the club. I get like that. But I was like, so I didn't know. I saw dud Dion and Um and Bela drove up there while I'm in the back seat, and I'm just every motherfucking city. I'm like, nigga stopped by the liquor stuff. Nigger right, I'm just drinking. Was getting you get the Arizona. At that time, I had a perm a perfect here. My wife ad did it because she went to Kenneth College and Valet to do hair. Your white So your wife did you? Yeah, it was a perm as a bro Lord Jesus perm I don't fly, my nigga. My baller Billy started kicking in later on as I got older, you know, dollar life. Hello, it's right, that's I get the ground. I get the Arizona. My boy, D. I say, man, you might as well cut it, my nigga, you might well cut it, because you know, he wasn't hating, he was CONGRATULATD. He just he just said, because you know, they think a little different up here, and you know in the South Niga, California, niggas they're be thinking. You know what I'm saying, Nigga, you unerstand me, You stand me? You know like that right, And I'm like, man, you know what fun I'm gonna cut it because it's gonna be hell of hot out there. You know, I ain't got nobody to really take care of my perm because white. You know what I'm saying. I said, I cut this it right there in Arizona, a broken down hotel. Right, So when you know I'm there, I get in line. I get it. We we okay, we get up there. We stayed with my mom myum my great grandmother, Mommy Elie, and she's in Bernice, Louisiana, and she would get up and go to work. She was like eighty something at that time every morning. So we were there for three days at her house, me Dean and me Dean Davis and and be legit. We stayed there and she had hell of food that she had a freezer and she had a frigerator in her freezer. It was ship like you know fry. It was chicken patties that you're just putting the oven and ship like I ain't never seen no ship like that she had. I'm like, when you eat everything that deep freezer broke with all the kind of beauties up in that thing, she said, up behind yourself. Her house was fireless. It was a small little house, spotless done. So we stayed there for three days. We went to um. We had we knew we had to get like cooking utensil. So I got me this little pope to cook my noodles here because I love top Roman noodles and Vienna saws that I chopped them up tout the Vma saws in the top Roma noodles make stay there pretty much, you know. And you know what I'm saying, oysters and ship like that, crackers and tuna, and you understand me. And so then I had got this little friar this at a roma sale. We stopped by rubber sale. Everybody got out. We got everything we needed at this one room and sale nigger yard sale, you know what the rubber sales right or yard sale sale. We got one fire. That's friar. Was the dopest little fire you plug in the wall ever in life, because every Friday was cool. Starting my making every Friday nigga, I was making all the chicken legs and we called it the carnival. I mean fried chicken legs make the whole dorm, and the whole dorm with niggers down there living it up there. For the half out of the carnival, we had Hello lecor you know what I'm saying, like dominoes the whole when you take a long story short, the short story long. I stayed at my We stayed at my grandmama's house for three days, um, and then then it was time to go. Uh. We was registering at that time. Then it was trying to go into our dorms. So I stayed in Drew Hall, and then my boy Waldo Binnsworth, Dion and be legit State of Pittsburgh. I think Dion stayed in the baseball dorm because he played for the baseball team. You know what I'm saying. I went that one year. Well let me just say this, nigga, we got into a fight. Nigga, Oh, we got to a fight. I'm at the student union right and um at Grammar. And while I'm there, Alfred Payton it's something instnd of play for the NBA. My nigger and Alfred went to the pros. So me and just a trip Elfred nigga. We had um we at the student union, and it's just like the jail house. He on the phone, right, and um here on there for hell alone. You know, I'm a California nigga with a California mentality. My nigga, go to the phone, my nigga phone check on. He was here too long. I say, like, hold on, hold on, waldy who back in right? Hold on? Hold on? Straight from New Orleans? He passport us, right, nigga's a be legit, come through. Just say, nigga, niggas ain't doing number barking like that, right, he seen he's seen this Oregon. He come through. Niggas ain't doing nothing but barking. Took off on it right, came at me, nigga come long as big as nigga. I had an upper We didn't. It wasn't no beat down on either one of our side, right, it was you. And then we made it outside and so hitting everybody, breaking it up. So now I got funk with the New Orleans niggers right right. And so it's a nigga named Reggie Pugh from Oakland. He said he stayed in my dorm. He just he said something. He said like a cock down to my room. He just when I sat and I went up to his room, he just he was already a junior like he knew all of the the Orland niggas and everybody right then. Nigga, just homeboy from the town. My nigga. I know you've got a little thing and ship stay on me. But Nigga, I got your back, Nigga. I know a last one of these nakes, nigga, and we're gonna get them up again. Nigga. You know what I'm saying, I haven't met in my life. You're ready ready for the he with anybody. Everybody he was. He didn't had no prouse with him, none of that. He just had my back back of the suit. You know what I'm saying. It's so you know, we hybernate, you understand me. I'm doing my little pushing up and shot like that. Nigga, I'm shadow boxing. I'm really you know, training like I wasn't to play. But anyway, so with cut check this out. So look so so damn Okay. It was a night when we had to really get down and we had Hella California niggas. That was we was at a gym and it was um what you call it when not not a cop like a It was like a block party. I was in the gym though, you know what I'm saying. And so you know, Hella California niggas was there, Big California nis from l A all over place. The niggas all act like they had our back, right, hell of New Orleans niggas sitting mind you, all the New Orleans niggas was clicked up with all the bad ruge niggas, big Africans, my niggative right. Look, so check this out. This is this is this is a fool right here. This is a movie. So you know, so we end up getting in, we end up hitting. Um we had the squad one on one I had, I had him he had and then my nigga na r I p no that cav he had passed away a few years later um uh and then um my nigga being legit. It was just up. But when we was walking to the spot by the baseball doing, when we were when we meet, we when we met for the battle, Um nigga, hell of Hell of California was with us, like a hundred of us nigga as we started walking the way, you know, just right for me le know that Kevin and and Reggie Pew. That's it, my nigga, that we got him up. It was over so quick by fiddles hurt because he wasn't bruised up, understand, but we so we just nigga, fuck that nigga. And I'm a California nigga and I'm straight from the motherfucking soil with the ship shit right. We took pstrels up there, my nigga, Grondlin State University. I'm like Nick Pistol. So we go there be up and we up on the floor up there. Nig is down there and uh, I say, Nick doing me and nigga on everything, eighteen year old forty waterhead right, and so I'm walking, I'm gonna walked down and just no, no, Beetle just saved my life. I'm probably be in prison. He just no, no, no, what's shoot out the window? So we opened up. We started stooting in the air and bust. We just started shooting. Man, old cap the old camp is like yo, the bathing like crazy, right, check this out. Now, Look it's like God. The meantime while we mayor Nate's daying low right, you know we we we we hooked up with um I think his name Jay, Yeah, Jay. He had a big boom box and we took Original Concept beat um dr Dre now Big dr Dre and ed lover Um not dr Dre from the South from from from the West coast dr Dre from the East coast. They was called Original Concept. They had a song called Knowledge made Oh may don't know I'm talking about looted it. And then we said my potler wabble Benz worked from Oakland, him and and Bila. They was like, we need to make a song. We need to we need to name ourselves the drifters or something, because we used to always talking about NIGGI over there drifting, you know what I'm saying. That's like just tweaking, like just drawing and just like when we're drinking and ship. Like we was like, so we called ourselves intellectual drifters, right, just some ship. We just made it up, you know what I'm saying. So we we had Graham we uh, we end up making that we made a school I'm a matera. We made the school I'm a mad as a rap song because they didn't have It was just like Dear Ram whatever it was at the time. We made that ship Hit Nigga. We talked about everything that went down on Gramley campus, like every We talked about all the classes. You know, how legendary Eddie Eddie Robinson was like all this ship like, we talked about everything, the history of ground. We talked about the band, you know, one of the most world renowned bands. You know what I'm saying all that the cassette started surfacing all around the motherfucking um campus. The cassette people was dubbing Cassette because we was getting famous. Naga then hit him to Um hit come to Um. What you call that? The the Talent Show. We entered the Talent Show, me Walter Bensworth and be Legit Nigga. We get out there Nigga, and we saw that song, Nigga, and we won the contest. We won the whole Talent show, Nigga. When we walked outside, Nigga, we signed it. I grasped niggas we represented you know, you became real friends and you know, and later just recently, right before covid Man, I'm at the airport, Um, I'm at the airport. Man and and so, I said, man, who they gave me a number to call to pick me up. So the dude that that arranged everything, um he said, he said, He said, man, I'm gonna sin, I'm fnna sin uh somebody to pick you up. And he had no idea about anything, right, he just knows that I want the grammar. You understand me? And uh and we they honored me. They honored me. You don't know at the time. You know what I'm saying. The honored me at that event right before Codd in New Orleans, Me and my wife went to to to New Orleans and so then uh, I go out, he said, folty man, uh my name, I'm picking you up and we at. I just who is this? He said? Mano man folded listen, man, you man pholted you for the trip. Foty right he put. I walked outside. He he said, pholt to this ever it I'll say, right, nigga that nigga, big ass hug nigga like you guys seen you in Helly He was nigga. Man this he said this Elfred man, nigga car. We're getting to call my wife getting the car. I say, hey, nigga. I say, nigga, you see this lady right here, this the girl, the woman I was checking you about. Nigga, she just my high school sweet part. Nigga. That's why you gotta put it all over the la. Yeah, he said, you say, I know, And he said, you see this woman right here, this on the phone, right here, this I'm talking that he had it. He had heard. He had his girl on the phone. He was on the phone with her when I was checking. So we saw that on it was silent, so it's a trip, so we you know, it was just like, man, I love that dude. Man. It's like because even during that time we were people don't know. I was one of the one of the New Orleans niggas that I that. That was one of the niggas that I got into it with that were part of the New Orleans Baton Rouge team. Was Jubilee. Jubilee is a legendary uh do do do. Jubilee had all the gigs too, like he could dance and ship. But also Jubilee was a DJ like it have songs like Jubilee was a rapper with all of you know, all the bounce music and ship like he legendary out there and right before so that night Jubilee came too, so I got paid through me Jubilee and Elfred you know and everything. He was like, you know my son and the NBA, Elfred Elford Payton Jr. I'm like, wow, it's crazy. I'll just id just going off. Ever, but to this a lot of others, man, we got each other. Contact is never love love. I gotta ask you before we go though. When you was at your grandmother's house, you went in that deep free and you was cooking these patties and stuff that you saw. Did that inspire you? Because I checked you out of there from time to time and I'm damn pestontarian, but you be having me on the backslide? And did this goon from goon with a spoon start from? Because now I'm cooking, so I'm watching Eat Audio, the cooking show, just so you know here we come, you feel me? But where did that come from? Bro? Like? Because I just feel like I got one of my partners you tell me is a stress reliever, Like he just cooked you like what you on Mexican This that another. But I just sit there and want you and put it together I'm like, damn, that's crazy, right on, man, Yeah, I got I know some cooks. I know some bona fide you know, Michelin Star cooks that be like they say they when they see me on the ground, like their wives will be on there and they'd be like, maybe why you don't never make this for me? Look, they tell me the ship I like, I like to cook ship that I know that's gonna be good, you know what I'm saying. Like, so anyway, um so um me being the olders of four moms, you know, she worked. My mom and my dad divorced when I was eight and a half years old, so I was older. That was I was eight, d Shot was six, Sugar Team was four, and young Muggsy was too, so I was I had to take Madison into my own hands. Though my daddy never deserted us. He paid child support like he was a post to everything, and we would go visit him every other weekend, you know what I'm saying. And he you know, he didn't run away from us. I love my pops, you know what I'm saying. But we was on but you know, he paid his child for it, but it wasn't enough for what we needed done because we were Hella athletic. We played baseball, football all that ship, all of the three boys, you know what I'm saying. And even Sugar Tea she played softball all that ship. She was involved with all the community, ship everything. So you know, moms, you know she worked two or three jobs were over there on the hillside, now you know what I'm saying. And so I had to be like the man of the house, you know. And you know, even though Sugar could cook and everything, but she was so young. You know, Masa cooked, I was cook. I was just learned how to cook and ship like that was my little specialty. All of us not how to cook because you know, it's just like you know, a lot of neggas. When you're from a soil, you just gotta know how to cook certain things. So I started getting all the way involved in it as I got older. You know, I worked with this restaurant, Me and be Legit d Shot. We was jump. It was in Venicia, California. It was called the Commandos Restaurant. And I started love washing dishes, you know what I'm saying. And then I ended up working at the pantry. Then I started learning how to cook a scargo, Um, London broil, um, you know, lobster, lobster, biscu um, you know, chicken Gordon blue. You know what I'm saying. Ship like that, you know, and became in my mind, you know, a Michelin star share so he so, so, my my mother in law and twenty fourteen, my mother law, my father in law brought me um brought me a power of pressure cooking. And then from then on I was like this ship, this ship going crazy, like you cook some chicken in their motherfucking that ship falling off the bone and make it through the gumbo and all kind of hour on short rings. You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm like, this ship crazy. So so you know, being from the soil, you know, you know, you know I'm over the stove. That's why I'm sloping. I had a stone kind of over the stove, you know what I'm saying. So you know, um so be legit. You know. One of the things he would say, he would google with the spoon. I got it from Legit. But when we were saying that, we were talking about the streets, and you know what I'm saying. But I was like, you know what what can I call this to? You know, when I'm cooking, I just started hashtag and good with the spoon because really I'm a Google, but I'm but the kitchen make cooking and make cooking real soil related like hood related, like we know what you mean. But at the same time, he we know what you mean about the kitchen. He really is in the cooking up and ship. I touched it into that now now I got I touched it into that. Now I got food products coming out under the Google oh, like like hot links and breados and all kind of ship like you know, jerky and soups and ice cream and all kind of ship I got coming out under the gum with the spoom. Man. Congratulations, man, I just want to take the time to tell you, bro, like I commend you on youngevity. I commend you on the way that you stay solid and you just you know you you leave without saying too much and and and you know, we love you, bro, like we we like. I remember a long conversation I had with you and Snoop that really got me back on track. When we're shooting the video, you guys put me to the side and just kind of told me like, yo, man, listen, bro, like you gotta do what you say you're gonna do and stay solid. And we just commend you man, and and and and I'm gonna keep watching I hit you up there. They had to tell you, like, look, whatever you're doing is looking good on you. Bro. You know what I'm saying. You're looking younger, you you're talking better, and um, you know we're gonna support you into the end. And I thank you for stopping through the rest. Some podcasts take some time out of date hang with us, and um, you know, congratulations on on the verses, congratulations on the project you just dropped, and uh, you know we're gonna rock with you, baby, eat funds and really recording was a legendary for its Alute both of y'all for so thank you for stopping by the Recessing podcast forty y'all love my brother anybody already Thanks for listening to The Recession Podcast by Jeez, a production of Black Effect and Our Heart Radio. For more podcasts, visit the I Heart Radio, Apple Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.