“Playing hard to get” can be extremely subjective. One person’s “I think they’re playing hard to get” is another’s “I’m thinking about getting a restraining order, and changing all the locks in my house.” But isn’t there something kind of refreshing about sincerity and laying your feelings bare without pretense? On this episode of The Pleasure is Ours, Cody is joined by YouTuber and podcaster Emma Chamberlain (TIME Next 100 and one of the 25 Most Influential People on the Internet) to disprove and then tweak this bit of advice for the modern-era. Hint: There’s a way to not be a creep about it. Speaking of laying it all out there, Cody gets candid about the time a very famous rockstar’s daughter friendzoned him in public. And honestly? That’s some next level playing hard to get!