Gary welcomes fellow South African PGA Pro Garrick Higgo to the podcast. In an interview done pre- Olympics Garrick talks about his excitement to go to the games, what he needs to do to up his game, and Gary shares some advice with Garrick on how he can believe in himself. Garrick also asks Gary for a Master's favor.
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Gark. It's so nice to be able to talk to you again, and so long since I have spoken to you. And I went to the Open. I did the whole week and the one day I was crossing over, you were crossing over eighteen. You look very neat, looked like you lost a bit of weight. Have you lost a bit of weight? Not intentionally? Maybe maybe because they opened was my seventh week in a row. Maybe because of that, But I haven't tried to know. I'm actually trying to poke a little bit, So that's yeah, I'll work on that. Why did you not any particular reason that you're not put very well? Or what happened? Did they open? I was gonna ask you, you know, Um, it's a bid because putting has been my you know, the best part of my game, the last little bit um and I've you know, as an amateur, played pretty well on links sources. But for some reason I struggled to read the greens at the Scottish and at the Open, so um, and I mean I was I was struggling to get the ball to the whole, which is which is quite strange. Yes, well, the thing that those greens are can be very deceptive and The big thing you've got to do there is Number one is look at the cup on the worn side, as you know, because that is never lied. And this is something you understand that very few people do understand. And look where the cup is worn. And sometimes it's not easy to see people putting their hands in the hole now or routing the cups a lot, raising a lot, but look now, these things happen. And you know, you as you say you had seven weeks in a row, yeah, you know. I don't believe this business are being tired. I think that's in one's mind. But when you play seven weeks in the row, I think that that is a little bit too much. I think five weeks in the row is good, and then have a week all come back, but seven. But the things you'll you'll learn as you go along, and nobody can teach you that. That's something that you've got to feel. But it was open for me because first of all, I think that John Rome should have won, but he put it so badly the last day. But it's very interesting for me, and I tell people I see somebody like Jordan's speech and I see at least four faults and he's swing that he is one tremendous competitor. He's got what I call it now nobody, nobody can define it. It's something that certain people had. And it's another thing that Jordan's speet. He knows how to play golf. Now you tell somebody that somebody on the regular too knows how to play golf. Not a lot of people knew how to play they could swing. Well, well, it's taken the top hundred players in the Open. There's a hundred and fifty six guys. The top hundred is very little difference between the first and the hundreds of hitting the ball. So what is it that you know? It's not how well you swing or how well you do this. As you and I have discussed, it comes from the mind. And that's the one thing that I've tried. And you, of all the young men I've ever met in my life, you're the greatest gentleman. I wish I could have a doctor, don you said to a nice guy. But you listen, you listen, and so many young guys don't want to listen. They come up with while I'm working on the modern day swing, and there's nothing, there's no such thing as a modern day swing. There's nothing new. I'm dying to hear something new in the swing. But Jordan's speaker is a very good man to emulate because he's all over the place. He's the Sevy of America, I mean, Dallas Tiros. But he's putting. He's a competitor, he's got it, he knows how to And I think what happens this is what I find, But that doesn't find for everybody that when you played too many torments in a row, you lose that little bit of irritability in your system because your system is now burnt out from energy. And I played my very best golf, and I noticed Hogan and Sneen and Palmer and Nicholas and Travino. And if you watch John Ram, he gets really pumped up. You know. You when you get a bit irritable, your mind then works to the maximum it can to get you focused. And what you wouldn't You are really focused, And if you played so much, you lose that focus which prevents you from playing well. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely something that I'm going to learn. Fro Um. I mean, because everything changed so quickly, you know, there was no time to really pick and choose what I was going to play, especially having the two majors, you know, or even playing the three three majors in in the eight weeks. Um, I can see all the top guys either take the week off before the major or played the week before the major and you know, take a couple of weeks off before that event. So um yeah, I definitely play my best golf when I'm fresh and I'm ready to win. Um. But I definitely felt like I was a bit drained going into even going into the Scottish but I tried, I tried not to be um and I fought until the end. So um yeah, I guess I'll just learn from it. No, that's good. And now you got into the Olympics. Uh well, actually no, I'm flying. I'm flying tomorrow actually, um flying tomorrow night to joe Burg and then Saturday night, UM to Tokyo. And are you playing at Kasumi Kaseki? That it actually no no, no, I never designed it, but Harold Henning and I represented South Africa and nineteen fifty seven and we got five hundred dollars in in American Express checks to go all that way and play. So that was and we finished second there. We beat America and Japan won it, and that was the start Japanese golf. This tiny little guy, he wasn't even five ft three. He hold bunker's shots and he was holding puts from all over the the middle old dab stroke and it was such a great thing that this is. I'm gonna be watching very carefully. I know the course well and it's got great memories for me and and you've got busied not as your partners. I'm hoping you're going to do very very well. And it's it's an honor. I mean, you know, I can't do the Olympic Game for South Africa men and women. And I was always sure that people like Rory McElroy say he wasn't interested in going to the Olympic Games and he he wouldn't even watch the scores of the Olympic Games. It's quite sad because Ory and I was sad to hear that. And to go to the Olympic Games is the biggest sporting event in the world and it's such a great honor for you and BIS know to be playing. And please tell him I'm pulling for you. Guys, will be watching you all the time. Yeah, yeah, I can't wait. She's it's going to be amazing. And also just kind of being in the athletes village and seeing all the other athletes, although we can't go and watch them. Um, I mean it's something that we haven't really grown up watching because golf phase only in it now for the second time. But I think hopefully we can inspire some of the younger, younger guys. When I went to great when I went to the village there, they had me sleeping well in a cardboard cuboard as a cupboard for my clothes and a bed that was a plank. And they came to your mind, you know, you leave the village and boy they put me in the hotel and I pretended I was sad, but I was very happy. But it was an experience going to the gym. Everybody could get together. I met all these wonderful athletes from all over the world. It was a wonderful experience. So but you'll be able to see something no we're not allowed to, well I was. I mean, that was kind of one of the best things. I thought it was going to be. Um, you know, being able to go and watch the sprinters or something like that, but we're not allowed to. Oh my goodness, well good yeah, so I'll just have to make up and win the goal. That's it. That's it. Where is Basidian at the moment, He's in Johannisburg. It's Christian, Christian, Christian, Christian Christian. Yeah, and tell me how what do you feel at the moment, any department of your game that you're not feeling good with. You're feeling good with everything. Yeah, my long my long game, My long game is feeling really good. Um, I mean it was. It was definitely just you know, mental sharpness the last two weeks because you know, I didn't make a double drop, which usually those come from you know, Arran t shots and stuff. So um, you know, I made a lot of drops which were soft dropped. So I'm actually in a positive headspace to be honest. Um, my game is feeling really good. And I think this week at home seeing family and getting a bit of risk is going to give me a lot of good because I'm itching to go back and play. So that's that's great. She's I can't remember we organized the game for me to play, to play with you Gary when I was really little, but I remember playing the nine alls that goose and that really inspired me a lot. But then also remember you wrote me a letter um and gave it to someone to give to me when I was at school, and I've still got a frame just saying you know, um. It was in Afrikaans. I think it said a fast bait um and that you're thinking of me, um, And yeah it stuck with me, and yeah, I mean you're a you're and I look up to you a lot. So it's been amazing and I can't thank you enough for for all your support. You know, the one thing that you know, your coach and I don't want you to do is get paralysis of analysis. You saw them potentially the greatest player they developed Tiger Woods, when's the US fifteen shots and then goes to teachers for lesson and they want him to have a flat follow through and they want him to fan the club face open, and he from his great talent that he has, he has a taken away and he doesn't win a major for a eleven years. And you know, we just want to see you be slight tune. Your coach knows you will. I know you will slight tuning. That's all you do but to keep your mind, because we haven't scratched the surface of the mind, and it's the mind that wins tournaments. And that's what you've got to do. You've gotta do meditation, you've gotta do prayer. A lot of people don't any emphasis on prayer. I know you do and I do. And so you've got to building your mind because we are nowhere near what we're going to see happen with the mind in time to come is going to be dramatic. So yeah, that's what you know. We keep on emphasizing with you keep fit, got to learn to eat. You see what happens today in tennis. Tennis is my favorite thought to watch Jokovic. You look at him now, there he is having one his twentieth major championship. And those other guys, I don't know if they will ever win any others, but this man is no unforeseen accident. He'll win twenty five majors and it's because he's a beast. So in December, I well, I kind of realized that I needed to take it a little bit more seriously, and I started working with bath Mom, who's in thankour Um. So he travels with me and Yeah, we've worked on my mobility, which is in a big part of getting longer, not so much my strength. I'm quite strong, but I can't access all of that strength because I'm a bit limited in my te spine and hit mobility. So we've worked on that a lot, just so that I don't have to, you know, I don't have to do anything extra to gain length. And by working on that, we've you know, we've been able to do a lot more strength stuff, um, you know too, enhance my ability basically. Um. And he helps me with nutrition and all that stuff. I mean, he's quite jacked up with all that, so he keeps me on my toes when it comes to that for sure. Yeah, very good, very good. And yeah, uh Grek, that was a very nice wort of Maraca where he seems like a very nice young man. And there again, you know, everybody's brainwashed with long hitting now, and long hitting is an asset. It's an asset, but it's not a necessity. And we've seen this first and second. We're not long hitters really, but you could see it coming down the line. They were holding the puts left, right and center and almost chipping in when they were chipping, and there you have John ramitting these massive drives and missing the putts. And then we go to the extreme. You see a man like Bryson Deshambro. I mean, he's eating so many calories and so many shapes and things like that, and he's a very intelligent guy. And I spoke to him at a gust of this year and I said, are you not perturbed about affecting your kidneys and your liver? And he said, no, I have my blood monitored every three weeks. Well that's a that's straight, very nice, blood checked every three weeks. But that's what's suiting him. But I was in I'd rather work on hitting the ball a little bit straighter. I saw him some places I've seen him some places in that I want to tell you that you've got to be awfully strong. And he gets out, I have a job outsideways with a sandwich. But I mean, one must be careful that you realize what Woulden's golf tourments is the mind and putting. Yes, I agree with that. I mean, that's the biggest thing that's changes for me is I've realized that I don't have to hit it well at all. Two when um and my short game has been so good the last four months that I can go at a lot of flags that are previously not was scared to go at, but I can almost fired all of them. And I know that I'm going to up and down, which have been from you know, wherever I wherever I finish. So it's a nice feeling. And I feel like that's that trees me up to hit better iron shots as well, because I'm not scared of missing shortsided and then I hit a good iron shot and then you know, you make a lot of bodies doing it doing it that way. No, that's right. And the one thing that the two things that I hope that you don't forget what I said that you must you must enjoy adversity. You've got to enjoy it. Do not shake it off because it's impossible not to have it. It's impossible. Everybody has it, and from adversity comes great joy if you can stick it out, and so many people can't stick it out, and it's important, and you know, so the other thing is you've gotta you've gotta have great patience. And I love what you just said. Now, you don't always have to play well to win. You know, you know it's good mind you getting up and down into and feeling confident and feeling good in yourself, all these things, you know, And and the last thing I remember really talking to you strongly about it, to believe you the best. That's the big thing. When you go on that team, I Garrick Hugo am the best player in the world. You're gonna believe it because I believe. I'm believing you are. They all asking me who's the next world champion? I don't hear it. I say, Garrett, because I believe you can and you know it's up to you. Yeah, that's right. Nobody's going to do it for you as your all your guys, none of us can help you do that, but you that's what You've got to keep believing. And so I hope you have a great week in the Olympics. It's thank you. It's gonna be awesome. I can't play it. And then where do you go from Tokyo? Then when you finished, so we go straight to Memphis for the w G c UM and then I'll take a week off and then the playoffs start, the FedEx Cup playoffs. Yeah, why wouldn't Why would you. You know, I always found if I could, if I could having traveled with the time change, not to go into a tournament because your body is not really adjusted properly. But sometimes you don't. Yeah, this is that one. I don't have a choice, unfortunately, but I agree. Um, it would have been nice not to have to play with the nine hour time difference. Um. But yeah, it's it's one that after that I can't skip. Um, but at least at least it's going I feel like when I go to West actually the jet lags a little better because you wake up earlier. Um, like going to Japan. Now it's going to be a bit of loculty wake up to No. I told you about that year I was playing in the World and the World Cup the same, but this was the not the Canada Cup, and we were playing in France and we were fogged out. The one day in the travel agents said well, I can get you to Melbourne three hours before the Australian Open Scots and Arnold and Jack said no, And I said I'm going and I got there time change. Never saw the course, you said, A clams a sandwich and the shower and one the Australian opened by seven shots. I remember that in saying what can if they believe that they could do it? You know. Yeah, I mean I remember the beginning of the in the Desert. I didn't start off very well, almost the first three cuts of the earth. Um. And I came back in salt Cliffe for about two weeks and um, you know, we just went back to kind of my old seal and my old swing. And yeah, I was a little worried because obviously, you know, you want to stop playing better because the year was getting on, um, and we're we're so out of my short game for about four months, you know, the first four months the year. Um. Yeah, I just got onto a role and she's it's amazing how how how it's changed. But I'm really excited. I can't can't wait to get back and play in the States. I must say. The other day, I've got very choked up a guy who would be a picture to sign and I looked at it and I thought there was a junior next to me, and I said, see who's that and he said, that's Garrett. You go at the Junior President's Cup. Yeah, I remember that. That was I don't know what I was doing, shaking your hand or giving you a trophy or something, and I think giving us the medals all we think, well, we obviously finished second, but I think you were giving us the medals. But that was an awesome experience as well. And who else were with the so so Travil was up captain and obviously you were also um and we had Luca Philippi another South African Jaden Shaper and just to Lampa, it was as four South Africans with obviously the rest of that with the rest of the team. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, we actually played all right. We we didn't do well in the four balls, we lost quite badly, but in the singles we beat them. If you had to go on the yeah we beat them. Contrament board it was, but it's quite a few points. Yeah. So I mean, Gary, your your opinion on this would be valuable. I mean a lot of people have come up to me and said, you know, how are you going to play Augusta because I had draws, you know, um, But I don't feel like I need to change. I don't feel like I need to change my game to play there. I feel like I can I can figure it out the way i'd play absolutely, and are you and I walk around. I'm gonna walk around with you. I don't know how far I could walk on net golf course. Man, it's a tough course. I can't believe you. But I'm definitely coming to walk a bit with you. Be interesting to discuss a few things. And that doesn't matter. You've left handed with you. The fairway is there, the board doesn't know that it's a dog leg, and you'll you'll be comfortable. But there are different, diffinite things about Augusta that are very very valuable to to know because it is a different golf course, there's no question about So that's going to be great funds for you. Yeah, what great fun is. What's gonna be greatest fun of all is when you come back the next year with the green jacket into the big dinner exactly. Oh that would mean unreal. Yeah, wow, thank you alright, perfect. Thanks Gary,