Okay, put on your theological thinking caps, because in this podcast episode of The Patrick Madrid Show, you'll get a great answer to a BIG question: How do we know Jesus founded the Catholic Church and not some other Christian group?

 

Patrick brings the receipts, the analogies, and yes… the flat earth references.

 

The Question That Sparked It All

 

A listener named Timothy emails Patrick this question:

 

“Hey Patrick, aren’t you being a little harsh? You call out Protestants for coming down on Catholics, but then don’t you come down just as hard on non-Catholics? Aren’t both sides just passionate about what they believe?”

 

Timothy’s tone is respectful. And Patrick loves it. He takes it seriously. He gives a full, no-punches-pulled response: rooted in reason, history, and good old-fashioned Catholic confidence.

 

The Flat Earth Analogy

 

Patrick compares Protestantism to… flat earth theory.

 

Not because Protestants are dumb (he’s clear about that; they’re very sincere, smart, and well-meaning), but because:

 

You can be sincere… and still be sincerely wrong.

 

He argues that Protestant theology, like flat earth theory, is demonstrably false. It just doesn’t hold up when you look at Scripture, history, and the writings of the early Church Fathers. Just as science clearly disproves a flat earth, Church history disproves that Protestantism was ever the original Christianity.

 

So, What Does the Bible Say?

 

Patrick points out that Protestantism often relies on concepts like:

 


Sola Scriptura ("Bible alone")

 


Once Saved, Always Saved

 

…which aren’t in the Bible... and in some cases are even contradicted by the Bible.

 

He brings up passages like:

 


2 Thessalonians 2:15: Hold fast to the traditions, oral and written.

 


1 Corinthians 11: Keep the traditions as I delivered them.

 

These support Catholic teachings about Scripture and Tradition. Patrick says that trusting only personal Bible interpretation turns the faith into a theological Rubik’s Cube: everyone has their own twist on it. That’s just not how Jesus set it up.

 

Early Christians Weren’t Protestant, They Were... Catholic

 

He brings up St. John Henry Newman, the Anglican scholar who tried to disprove Catholicism… and ended up converting because the evidence was so overwhelming.

 

The early Church:

 


Believed in the Real Presence in the Eucharist

 


Celebrated the Mass as a sacrifice

 


Had sacraments, priests, apostolic authority

 


Baptized babies

 


Defended Trinitarian doctrine against heresies

 

And all this was happening centuries before the Reformation.

 

Protestantism, Patrick argues, is a latecomer: a break from the historical Church, not a return to it.

 

The Church is Noah’s Ark

 

Patrick closes with a beautiful, personal touch:

 

The Catholic Church is the Ark Jesus built to carry us through the flood of confusion, division, and error. He didn’t leave us a Rubik’s Cube Bible to figure out solo. He left us a Church: one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.

 

That’s why Patrick is confident, not just passionate. He's not trying to win arguments. He’s trying to show that there’s an unbroken, visible, historical Church founded by Christ, and it’s Catholic.

Okay, put on your theological thinking caps, because in this podcast episode of The Patrick Madrid Show, you'll get a great answer to a BIG question: How do we know Jesus founded the Catholic Church and not some other Christian group?
&nbsp;
Patrick brings the receipts, the analogies, and yes&hellip; the flat earth references.
&nbsp;
The Question That Sparked It All
&nbsp;
A listener named Timothy emails Patrick this question:
&nbsp;
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&ldquo;Hey Patrick, aren&rsquo;t you being a little harsh? You call out Protestants for coming down on Catholics, but then don&rsquo;t you come down just as hard on non-Catholics? Aren&rsquo;t both sides just passionate about what they believe?&rdquo;
&nbsp;
</blockquote>
Timothy&rsquo;s tone is respectful. And Patrick loves it. He takes it seriously. He gives a full, no-punches-pulled response: rooted in reason, history, and good old-fashioned Catholic confidence.
&nbsp;
The Flat Earth Analogy
&nbsp;
Patrick compares Protestantism to&hellip; flat earth theory.
&nbsp;
Not because Protestants are dumb (he&rsquo;s clear about that; they&rsquo;re very sincere, smart, and well-meaning), but because:
&nbsp;
<blockquote data-start="1130" data-end="1181">
You can be sincere&hellip; and still be sincerely wrong.
&nbsp;
</blockquote>
He argues that Protestant theology, like flat earth theory, is demonstrably false. It just doesn&rsquo;t hold up when you look at Scripture, history, and the writings of the early Church Fathers. Just as science clearly disproves a flat earth, Church history disproves that Protestantism was ever the original Christianity.
&nbsp;
So, What Does the Bible Say?
&nbsp;
Patrick points out that Protestantism often relies on concepts like:
&nbsp;
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<li data-start="1605" data-end="1637">
Sola Scriptura ("Bible alone")
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
<ul data-start="1605" data-end="1664">
<li data-start="1638" data-end="1664">
Once Saved, Always Saved
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
&hellip;which aren&rsquo;t in the Bible... and in some cases are even contradicted by the Bible.
&nbsp;
He brings up passages like:
&nbsp;
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<li data-start="1780" data-end="1856">
2 Thessalonians 2:15: Hold fast to the traditions, oral and written.
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
<ul data-start="1780" data-end="1921">
<li data-start="1857" data-end="1921">
1 Corinthians 11: Keep the traditions as I delivered them.
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
These support Catholic teachings about Scripture and Tradition. Patrick says that trusting only personal Bible interpretation turns the faith into a theological Rubik&rsquo;s Cube: everyone has their own twist on it. That&rsquo;s just not how Jesus set it up.
&nbsp;
Early Christians Weren&rsquo;t Protestant, They Were... Catholic
&nbsp;
He brings up St. John Henry Newman, the Anglican scholar who tried to disprove Catholicism&hellip; and ended up converting because the evidence was so overwhelming.
&nbsp;
The early Church:
&nbsp;
<ul data-start="2414" data-end="2621">
<li data-start="2414" data-end="2464">
Believed in the Real Presence in the Eucharist
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
<ul data-start="2414" data-end="2621">
<li data-start="2465" data-end="2503">
Celebrated the Mass as a sacrifice
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
<ul data-start="2414" data-end="2621">
<li data-start="2504" data-end="2552">
Had sacraments, priests, apostolic authority
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
<ul data-start="2414" data-end="2621">
<li data-start="2553" data-end="2572">
Baptized babies
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
<ul data-start="2414" data-end="2621">
<li data-start="2573" data-end="2621">
Defended Trinitarian doctrine against heresies
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
And all this was happening centuries before the Reformation.
&nbsp;
Protestantism, Patrick argues, is a latecomer: a break from the historical Church, not a return to it.
&nbsp;
The Church is Noah&rsquo;s Ark
&nbsp;
Patrick closes with a beautiful, personal touch:
&nbsp;
The Catholic Church is the Ark Jesus built to carry us through the flood of confusion, division, and error. He didn&rsquo;t leave us a Rubik&rsquo;s Cube Bible to figure out solo. He left us a Church: one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.
&nbsp;
That&rsquo;s why Patrick is confident, not just passionate. He's not trying to win arguments. He&rsquo;s trying to show that there&rsquo;s an unbroken, visible, historical Church founded by Christ, and it&rsquo;s Catholic.

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