I’m so excited to share this conversation with you today with two incredibly brave, articulate, and wise women: Isabel Lucas and Sally Townsend.

Isabel is a well-known actress and activist who has stood up for many environmental and social justice causes.

Sally is an ethical business leader, who has been on a journey with breast cancer.

You may initially think, 'This is a bit of a strange pairing, why are they on the same episode?', but what they share is that they both have had their own health challenges, which have led them to natural healing modalities.

But more than that… their health journeys have opened them up to listening to, and trusting, their own intuition and inner guidance system, especially in the face of criticism from people around them, and even the public at large.

In this wide-ranging conversation we talk about a lot of things including some of the problems of the broader healthcare industry, the influence of big business and government, censorship, vaccine mandates, the changing political landscape, and much more… 

But mostly this is a conversation about Bravery.

And having the bravery to listen to what your inner conscience is telling you.

I want to acknowledge both of these women for openly and vulnerably sharing their own stories.

I want to acknowledge the country that we recorded this on, Bundjalung land, overlooking Wollumbin at the house I currently call home.

And I want to acknowledge you, dear listener, for being open and curious, and tuning in to hear from someone else’s perspective, and to hold the capacity for diversity of thought.

So with that, I offer you this conversation with Isabel Lucas, and Sally Townsend.