In this episode, Jim and Michel discuss why modern systems of church can focus more on numerical growth than discipleship. They talk about the role of Dallas Willard in shaping their approach to spiritual growth and answer reader feedback questions.

Candor and Healthy Correction with Colonel Charles Causey
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Audiobook Chapter 3: Joy -- The Face of Jesus That Transforms
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Audiobook Chapter 2: How Do People Grow?
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