This week Monique interviews Professor Sandra Thom-Jones about aging as an autistic person. Sandra is an autistic author, artisan, academic, and advocate. She provides consultancy services to education, employment, and healthcare providers, and supports for autistic people, through her consultancy ‘Autistic Professor’. Sandra is the author of Growing in to Autism, and she has undertaken numerous research projects­ in partnership with the autistic community on the experiences of autistic people and the knowledge and attitudes towards autism in the community; including research that won the Autism CRC’s 2019 and 2021 awards for research translation and the 2022 award for inclusive research. 



Monique and Sandra cover:
Sandra’s experience of her neurodivergence throughout her life and her path to identifying her autistic neurotype.
Why do older autistic adults tend to be ‘invisible’ to society at large, and what factors contribute to the support needs of this population?
Generational trends in the understanding of and meaning associated with an autism diagnosis, and the implications for disclosure and self-advocacy.
The unique needs of autistic folk when navigating later stages of life like menopause, increasing healthcare needs, aged care, retirement, and managing family changes and transitions.
The importance of discarding neuro-normative expectations about what aging or retirement ‘should’ look like, and Sandra’s tips for a joyful retirement as an autistic person.



You can find more of Sandra’s work through her website – www.autisticprofessor.com – or follow her on Facebook (@autisticprofessor) or Instagram (@sandrathomjones_au_author).



Get a copy of Sandra’s book, Growing in to Autism, and pre-order her upcoming book, Autistics in Academia, through Cambridge University Press.



Follow Sandra on socials to stay updated on her next book, on the experiences of autistic people in the workplace!



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This week Monique interviews Professor Sandra Thom-Jones about aging as an autistic person. Sandra is an autistic author, artisan, academic, and advocate. She provides consultancy services to education, employment, and healthcare providers, and supports for autistic people, through her consultancy ‘Autistic Professor’. Sandra is the author of Growing in to Autism, and she has undertaken numerous research projects­ in partnership with the autistic community on the experiences of autistic people and the knowledge and attitudes towards autism in the community; including research that won the Autism CRC’s 2019 and 2021 awards for research translation and the 2022 award for inclusive research. 
 
Monique and Sandra cover:
<ul>
<li>Sandra’s experience of her neurodivergence throughout her life and her path to identifying her autistic neurotype.</li>
<li>Why do older autistic adults tend to be ‘invisible’ to society at large, and what factors contribute to the support needs of this population?</li>
<li>Generational trends in the understanding of and meaning associated with an autism diagnosis, and the implications for disclosure and self-advocacy.</li>
<li>The unique needs of autistic folk when navigating later stages of life like menopause, increasing healthcare needs, aged care, retirement, and managing family changes and transitions.</li>
<li>The importance of discarding neuro-normative expectations about what aging or retirement ‘should’ look like, and Sandra’s tips for a joyful retirement as an autistic person.</li>
</ul>
 
You can find more of Sandra’s work through her website – <a href="http://www.autisticprofessor.com">www.autisticprofessor.com</a> – or follow her on Facebook (@autisticprofessor) or Instagram (@sandrathomjones_au_author).
 
Get a copy of Sandra’s book, <a href="https://www.autisticprofessor.com/growingintoautism">Growing in to Autism</a>, and pre-order her upcoming book, <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/au/universitypress/subjects/psychology/cognition/autistics-academia-narratives-work-adversity-and-achievement-around-world?format=HB&amp;isbn=9781009374064">Autistics in Academia, through Cambridge University Press</a>.
 
Follow Sandra on socials to stay updated on her next book, on the experiences of autistic people in the workplace!
 
Want polished copies of our episodes in beautiful and readable pdf article format? Grab them <a href="https://www.ndwomanpod.com/transcripts">here</a>. 
 
Enjoyed the episode and want to support us further? Join our Patreon community! Patreon subscribers receive basic episode transcripts from Season 4 onwards, access to a monthly live zoom hang out, 50% off our episode articles, plus bonus monthly content (depending on subscription tier). Check out our Patreon page to support us, as we aim to make quality mental health care information accessible to everyone: <a href="http://www.patreon.com/ndwomanpod">www.patreon.com/ndwomanpod.</a>
 
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A podcast for neurodivergent women, hosted by clinical psychologist Monique Mitchelson and clinical neuropsychologist Michelle Livock. Covering Autism to ADHD and everything in between, we aim to educate and inspire women who think differently.

The Neurodivergent Woman

Aging as an Autistic Person with Prof. Sandra Thom-Jones

Content warning: This episode discusses grooming and sexual assault. Some listeners may decide to skip this one.



This week Monique interviews fellow psychologist Anna Clarke on grooming. As a multiply neurodivergent psychologist, EMDR therapist, and play therapist, Anna is passionate about supporting care teams with a trauma-informed, neurodivergent-affirming lens, and they are experienced in working with survivors of sexual assault and family violence.



On this episode Monique and Anna unpack this incredibly important topic, including what makes grooming such an insidious, ‘hard to pin down’ practice. Monique and Anna cover:


Anna’s understanding of neurodivergence, their path to discovering their own neurodivergence, and what late identification has meant for them.
What is grooming?
What kinds of relationships have the potential for grooming behaviour?
The distinct phases of grooming.
The factors that increase the likelihood of disabled, neurodivergent, and / or previously traumatised folk being targeted for grooming.
What effect does grooming have on the individual and on their broader support network?
Other forms of manipulation like love bombing and gaslighting.
Signs to look out for – both in the perpetrator and the person being groomed.
Ways that parents and the broader community can protect vulnerable people from grooming.
Anna’s advice for those who have experienced grooming or who suspect they may be experiencing this.



Find out more about Anna’s work on this topic and sign up for their upcoming Grooming Webinar (with all profits being donated to support services for survivors of sexual assault) through Divergent Futures. 



Here are some resources we’d recommend:
Blue Knot Foundation. Call 1300 657 380 or email helpline@blueknot.org.au - Supporting adult survivors of childhood trauma and adult survivors of institutional child sexual abuse around the National Redress Scheme. Also has resources for supporters of survivors.
Check out the National Resource on grooming. This page has all the National information for Australia on grooming, and on reporting grooming or abuse.
State based victim support reporting and links. 
Autistic Guide to Healthy Relationships.



Want polished copies of our episodes in beautiful and readable pdf article format? Grab them here. 



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Content warning: This episode discusses grooming and sexual assault. Some listeners may decide to skip this one.
 
This week Monique interviews fellow psychologist Anna Clarke on grooming. As a multiply neurodivergent psychologist, EMDR therapist, and play therapist, Anna is passionate about supporting care teams with a trauma-informed, neurodivergent-affirming lens, and they are experienced in working with survivors of sexual assault and family violence.
 
On this episode Monique and Anna unpack this incredibly important topic, including what makes grooming such an insidious, ‘hard to pin down’ practice. Monique and Anna cover:
 
<ul>
<li>Anna’s understanding of neurodivergence, their path to discovering their own neurodivergence, and what late identification has meant for them.</li>
<li>What is grooming?</li>
<li>What kinds of relationships have the potential for grooming behaviour?</li>
<li>The distinct phases of grooming.</li>
<li>The factors that increase the likelihood of disabled, neurodivergent, and / or previously traumatised folk being targeted for grooming.</li>
<li>What effect does grooming have on the individual and on their broader support network?</li>
<li>Other forms of manipulation like love bombing and gaslighting.</li>
<li>Signs to look out for – both in the perpetrator and the person being groomed.</li>
<li>Ways that parents and the broader community can protect vulnerable people from grooming.</li>
<li>Anna’s advice for those who have experienced grooming or who suspect they may be experiencing this.</li>
</ul>
 
Find out more about Anna’s work on this topic and sign up for their upcoming Grooming Webinar (with all profits being donated to support services for survivors of sexual assault) through <a href="https://www.divergentfutures.com/">Divergent Futures</a>. 
 
Here are some resources we’d recommend:
<ul>
<li><a href="https://blueknot.org.au/">Blue Knot Foundation</a>. Call 1300 657 380 or email <a href="mailto:helpline@blueknot.org.au">helpline@blueknot.org.au</a> - Supporting adult survivors of childhood trauma and adult survivors of institutional child sexual abuse around the National Redress Scheme. Also has resources for supporters of survivors.</li>
<li>Check out the <a href="https://www.childsafety.gov.au/about-child-sexual-abuse/grooming#:~:text=If%20you%20suspect%20a%20child,Centre%20to%20Counter%20Child%20Exploitation%20.">National Resource on grooming</a>. This page has all the National information for Australia on grooming, and on reporting grooming or abuse.</li>
<li><a href="https://knowmore.org.au/for-survivors/compensation-options/victims-support/">State based victim support reporting and links</a>. </li>
<li><a href="https://www.durham.ac.uk/news-events/latest-news/2024/04/autistic-guide-to-healthy-relationships/">Autistic Guide to Healthy Relationships</a>.</li>
</ul>
 
Want polished copies of our episodes in beautiful and readable pdf article format? Grab them <a href="https://www.ndwomanpod.com/transcripts">here</a>. 
 
Enjoyed the episode and want to support us further? Join our Patreon community! Patreon subscribers receive basic episode transcripts from Season 4 onwards, access to a monthly live zoom hang out, 50% off our episode articles, plus bonus monthly content (depending on subscription tier). Check out our Patreon page to support us, as we aim to make quality mental health care information accessible to everyone: <a href="http://www.patreon.com/ndwomanpod">www.patreon.com/ndwomanpod.</a>
 
Contact us at <a href="mailto:ndwomanpod@gmail.com">ndwomanpod@gmail.com</a>, or visit our website: <a href="http://www.ndwomanpod.com">www.ndwomanpod.com</a>

Grooming with Anna Clarke

This week we speak with Penny Moodie about Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). Penny is a writer, OCD advocate, and mum of three little people. She is the author of ‘The Joy Thief: How OCD steals your happiness – and how to get it back’ and the co-creator the website soocd.com.au, which is packed with information on OCD and how to get support.



In this episode Penny very generously shares her personal experience with OCD, and she takes us through the ‘why’ of OCD and the strategies and treatment approaches she has found helpful.



We cover:
What is OCD, and crucially, what isn’t OCD?
Some of the key mechanisms of OCD, including thought-action fusion, uncertainty anxiety, the ‘just right’ feeling, and the feedback loop between obsessions and compulsions.
Periods of OCD onset.
Talking to kids about their thoughts.
Penny’s personal experience of OCD throughout her life, including in childhood, her adolescence, and throughout her adulthood, and her path to accurate diagnosis.
OCD in the perinatal period.
Treatment approaches for OCD and strategies that Penny has found useful, including ERP, methods to reframe and manage distressing thoughts, medication, self-compassion practice, and connecting with other people experiencing OCD.



You can find Penny on Instagram @pennymoodie and through her website, So OCD. Get a copy of Penny’s book, The Joy Thief, here.



The book Penny mentioned was The Man Who Couldn’t stop, by David Adam.



Want polished copies of our episodes in beautiful and readable pdf article format? Grab them here. 



Enjoyed the episode and want to support us further? Join our Patreon community! Patreon subscribers receive basic episode transcripts from Season 4 onwards, access to a monthly live zoom hang out, 50% off our episode articles, plus bonus monthly content (depending on subscription tier). Check out our Patreon page to support us, as we aim to make quality mental health care information accessible to everyone: www.patreon.com/ndwomanpod.



Contact us at ndwomanpod@gmail.com, or visit our website: www.ndwomanpod.com

This week we speak with Penny Moodie about Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). Penny is a writer, OCD advocate, and mum of three little people. She is the author of ‘<a href="https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/book/Penny-Moodie-Joy-Thief-9781761068669/">The Joy Thief: How OCD steals your happiness – and how to get it back</a>’ and the co-creator the website <a href="https://soocd.com.au/">soocd.com.au</a>, which is packed with information on OCD and how to get support.
 
In this episode Penny very generously shares her personal experience with OCD, and she takes us through the ‘why’ of OCD and the strategies and treatment approaches she has found helpful.
 
We cover:
<ul>
<li>What is OCD, and crucially, what isn’t OCD?</li>
<li>Some of the key mechanisms of OCD, including thought-action fusion, uncertainty anxiety, the ‘just right’ feeling, and the feedback loop between obsessions and compulsions.</li>
<li>Periods of OCD onset.</li>
<li>Talking to kids about their thoughts.</li>
<li>Penny’s personal experience of OCD throughout her life, including in childhood, her adolescence, and throughout her adulthood, and her path to accurate diagnosis.</li>
<li>OCD in the perinatal period.</li>
<li>Treatment approaches for OCD and strategies that Penny has found useful, including ERP, methods to reframe and manage distressing thoughts, medication, self-compassion practice, and connecting with other people experiencing OCD.</li>
</ul>
 
You can find Penny on Instagram @pennymoodie and through her website, <a href="https://soocd.com.au/">So OCD</a>. <a href="https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/book/Penny-Moodie-Joy-Thief-9781761068669/">Get a copy of Penny’s book, The Joy Thief, here</a>.
 
The book Penny mentioned was The Man Who Couldn’t stop, by David Adam.
 
Want polished copies of our episodes in beautiful and readable pdf article format? Grab them <a href="https://www.ndwomanpod.com/transcripts">here</a>. 
 
Enjoyed the episode and want to support us further? Join our Patreon community! Patreon subscribers receive basic episode transcripts from Season 4 onwards, access to a monthly live zoom hang out, 50% off our episode articles, plus bonus monthly content (depending on subscription tier). Check out our Patreon page to support us, as we aim to make quality mental health care information accessible to everyone: <a href="http://www.patreon.com/ndwomanpod">www.patreon.com/ndwomanpod.</a>
 
Contact us at <a href="mailto:ndwomanpod@gmail.com">ndwomanpod@gmail.com</a>, or visit our website: <a href="http://www.ndwomanpod.com">www.ndwomanpod.com</a>

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder with Penny Moodie

On today’s episode Monique interviews Liam Spicer about grief and loss. Listeners will notice that Liam is not a neurodivergent woman, but we’ve decided to make an exception this time as Liam is an expert in the area of neurodivergence and grief.



Liam is a Senior Lecturer in Psychology, and he’s a Psychologist, EMDR Consultant, and Accredited Schema Therapist based in Launceston, Tasmania. He is also an Autistic ADHDer, and is passionate about training, research, and collaboration with other neurodivergent individuals in the Neurodiversity Affirming Space. Liam’s current PhD is focused on the use of Schema Therapy for Prolonged Grief, and he has published journal articles and book chapters on grief in addition to presenting at national and international conferences. His interest in this area is derived from both professional and personal lived experience of loss.



Just a quick warning for listeners, this episode contains mention of death and loss. Some of our listeners may decide to skip this one. 



Monique and Liam cover:


Liam’s journey to understanding his own neurodivergence.
What is grief?
Is there such a thing as a ‘normal’ response to grief, and what are some common myths about grief.
Different types of grief and loss (and the validity of feeling big feelings about all of these types of losses!), including death loss, loss of aspects of daily living, loss associated with life transitions and with chronic or acute health conditions, loss of routines or coping mechanisms, and grief associated with diagnosis.
Some key factors for neurodivergent people and their supports to keep in mind when dealing with grief and loss, and strategies around managing these ND specific factors.
What is ‘Prolonged Grief’ and what can you expect when seeing a therapist for Prolonged Grief?
Liam’s personal experiences with grief and strategies for supporting grieving loved ones. (Note: this section discusses miscarriage loss, so consume with care if this is a tough subject for you).



You can find Liam through his website or on Instagram or LinkedIn @LiamSpicer.



Want polished copies of our episodes in beautiful and readable pdf article format? Grab them here. 



Enjoyed the episode and want to support us further? Join our Patreon community! Patreon subscribers receive basic episode transcripts from Season 4 onwards, access to a monthly live zoom hang out, 50% off our episode articles, plus bonus monthly content (depending on subscription tier). Check out our Patreon page to support us, as we aim to make quality mental health care information accessible to everyone: www.patreon.com/ndwomanpod.



Contact us at ndwomanpod@gmail.com, or visit our website: www.ndwomanpod.com

On today’s episode Monique interviews Liam Spicer about grief and loss. Listeners will notice that Liam is not a neurodivergent woman, but we’ve decided to make an exception this time as Liam is an expert in the area of neurodivergence and grief. 
 
Liam is a Senior Lecturer in Psychology, and he’s a Psychologist, EMDR Consultant, and Accredited Schema Therapist based in Launceston, Tasmania. He is also an Autistic ADHDer, and is passionate about training, research, and collaboration with other neurodivergent individuals in the Neurodiversity Affirming Space. Liam’s current PhD is focused on the use of Schema Therapy for Prolonged Grief, and he has published journal articles and book chapters on grief in addition to presenting at national and international conferences. His interest in this area is derived from both professional and personal lived experience of loss.
 
Just a quick warning for listeners, this episode contains mention of death and loss. Some of our listeners may decide to skip this one. 
 
Monique and Liam cover:
 
<ul>
<li>Liam’s journey to understanding his own neurodivergence.</li>
<li>What is grief?</li>
<li>Is there such a thing as a ‘normal’ response to grief, and what are some common myths about grief.</li>
<li>Different types of grief and loss (and the validity of feeling big feelings about all of these types of losses!), including death loss, loss of aspects of daily living, loss associated with life transitions and with chronic or acute health conditions, loss of routines or coping mechanisms, and grief associated with diagnosis.</li>
<li>Some key factors for neurodivergent people and their supports to keep in mind when dealing with grief and loss, and strategies around managing these ND specific factors.</li>
<li>What is ‘Prolonged Grief’ and what can you expect when seeing a therapist for Prolonged Grief?</li>
<li>Liam’s personal experiences with grief and strategies for supporting grieving loved ones. (Note: this section discusses miscarriage loss, so consume with care if this is a tough subject for you).</li>
</ul>
 
You can find Liam through his <a href="https://liamspicer.com.au/">website</a> or on Instagram or LinkedIn @LiamSpicer.
 
Want polished copies of our episodes in beautiful and readable pdf article format? Grab them <a href="https://www.ndwomanpod.com/transcripts">here</a>. 
 
Enjoyed the episode and want to support us further? Join our Patreon community! Patreon subscribers receive basic episode transcripts from Season 4 onwards, access to a monthly live zoom hang out, 50% off our episode articles, plus bonus monthly content (depending on subscription tier). Check out our Patreon page to support us, as we aim to make quality mental health care information accessible to everyone: <a href="http://www.patreon.com/ndwomanpod">www.patreon.com/ndwomanpod.</a>
 
Contact us at <a href="mailto:ndwomanpod@gmail.com">ndwomanpod@gmail.com</a>, or visit our website: <a href="http://www.ndwomanpod.com">www.ndwomanpod.com</a>

Aging as an Autistic Person with Prof. Sandra Thom-Jones

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