As most South Africans will be celebrating Christmas tomorrow. Today, we have decided to invite the South African Council of Churches to reflect on the state of the nation and the world. They are worried about the escalation of wars and conflicts across Africa and the world, saying that some of these incidents reflect a dangerous normalisation of violence and a growing disregard for human life.

GUEST: Reverend Mzwandile Molo, General Secretary of the South African Council of Churches (SACC)