For this fifth episode of the companion podcast to HBO Max’s The Murders At White House Farm, host Lauren Bright Pacheco talks to series writer Kris Mrksa to dive into the psychology of the case, and the many personas involved. Kris discusses his processes for bringing the various different characters involved to life -- including Jeremy Bamber’s complex and confusing personality -- as well as his approach to depicting Sheila Caffell’s mental health struggles. Kris also discusses what it was like to tread the fine line between reality and its onscreen counterpart, his processes for getting inside the characters’ heads, and what he means by “the slippery nature of truth.”

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For this fifth episode of the companion podcast to HBO Max’s The Murders At White House Farm, host Lauren Bright Pacheco talks to series writer Kris Mrksa to dive into the psychology of the case, and the many personas involved. Kris discusses his processes for bringing the various different characters involved to life -- including Jeremy Bamber’s complex and confusing personality -- as well as his approach to depicting Sheila Caffell’s mental health struggles. Kris also discusses what it was like to tread the fine line between reality and its onscreen counterpart, his processes for getting inside the characters’ heads, and what he means by “the slippery nature of truth.” Learn more about your ad-choices at <a href="https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com">https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com</a>

On the night of August 6th, 1985, just outside of the picturesque village of Tolleshunt D’Arcy in Essex, England, a shocking attack left five members – and three generations – of a family brutally murdered. At first, the police thought they were dealing with an open-and-shut case, suspecting that it was Sheila Caffell – diagnosed with schizophrenia – who had shot her adoptive parents and twin sons before turning the gun on herself. As one detective set out to prove, however, certain elements of that narrative that didn’t add up – and the spotlight turned to Sheila’s brother, Jeremy Bamber.  In the new companion podcast to the HBO Max limited series The Murders at White House Farm, host Lauren Bright Pacheco speaks with the show’s creators, as well as with Carol Ann Lee -- author of the book The Murders at White House Farm -- and Colin Caffell, the father of the two young boys. Each episode of the podcast takes a deeper dive into one of six nuanced themes that contributed to the particularly disturbing nature of this surprisingly complicated case, providing further context and background for this horrific crime.

The Murders at White House Farm: The Podcast

Host Lauren Bright Pacheco talks to series writer Kris Mrksa about the psychology behind the real life murders. and his methods for dramatizing the case.

Episode 5: The Psychology

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For the sixth and final episode of the companion podcast to HBO Max’s The Murders At White House Farm, host Lauren Bright Pacheco talks to series Executive Producer Willow Grylls about the fallout of the case. Not only was it one of the most shocking events of the time, but the murders and their investigation had far-reaching and long-lasting consequences, the effects of which can still be seen and felt today. Among many other things, Willow explains the impact that the case had on the surviving members of the family, the way police investigations are conducted -- especially in terms of how forensic evidence is handled -- and how the widespread attitude towards mental health colored the investigation at the time and has shifted in the years since. 

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For the sixth and final episode of the companion podcast to HBO Max’s The Murders At White House Farm, host Lauren Bright Pacheco talks to series Executive Producer Willow Grylls about the fallout of the case. Not only was it one of the most shocking events of the time, but the murders and their investigation had far-reaching and long-lasting consequences, the effects of which can still be seen and felt today. Among many other things, Willow explains the impact that the case had on the surviving members of the family, the way police investigations are conducted -- especially in terms of how forensic evidence is handled -- and how the widespread attitude towards mental health colored the investigation at the time and has shifted in the years since.  Learn more about your ad-choices at <a href="https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com">https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com</a>

Host Lauren Bright Pacheco talks to series Executive Producer Willow Grylls about the repercussions of the murders and their subsequent investigation.

Episode 6: The Fallout

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In this fourth episode of the companion podcast to HBO Max’s The Murders At White House Farm, host Lauren Bright Pacheco again talks with Carol Ann Lee -- author of the highly-researched book upon which the series is based -- this time, to discuss the many missteps taken by the police in the way they handled the investigation of the murders. Carol explains how, as the investigation continued under the guidance of DCI Taff Jones, he refused to consider the possibility that what happened was anything other than a straightforward case of murder-suicide. Carol explains how Taff Jones' steadfast belief that Sheila Caffell had killed her parents and twin sons before turning the gun on herself, had shaped the way the entire investigation was conducted, leading to the repeated breach of police protocol. She also discusses how the equally stubborn mindset of DS Stan Jones -- and his doubts about the likelihood of that initial murder-suicide narrative -- ultimately helped alter the course of the police investigation.

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In this fourth episode of the companion podcast to HBO Max’s The Murders At White House Farm, host Lauren Bright Pacheco again talks with Carol Ann Lee -- author of the highly-researched book upon which the series is based -- this time, to discuss the many missteps taken by the police in the way they handled the investigation of the murders. Carol explains how, as the investigation continued under the guidance of DCI Taff Jones, he refused to consider the possibility that what happened was anything other than a straightforward case of murder-suicide. Carol explains how Taff Jones' steadfast belief that Sheila Caffell had killed her parents and twin sons before turning the gun on herself, had shaped the way the entire investigation was conducted, leading to the repeated breach of police protocol. She also discusses how the equally stubborn mindset of DS Stan Jones -- and his doubts about the likelihood of that initial murder-suicide narrative -- ultimately helped alter the course of the police investigation. Learn more about your ad-choices at <a href="https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com">https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com</a>

Episode 4: The Police

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For the third episode of the companion podcast to HBO Max’s The Murders At White House Farm, host Lauren Bright Pacheco talks to Carol Ann Lee. As the author of the highly-researched book about that fatal night -- and upon which the series is based -- Carol shares her insight into the evidence found at the murder scene. She explains how that evidence initially seemed to suggest that what transpired was a murder-suicide rampage by Sheila Caffell against her adoptive parents and twin sons, but how, on further examination, it seemed that actually wasn’t the case at all. In fact, as evidence came to light -- as well as new conclusions about the original evidence -- suspicions instead started turning towards Sheila’s brother, Jeremy Bamber.

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For the third episode of the companion podcast to HBO Max’s The Murders At White House Farm, host Lauren Bright Pacheco talks to Carol Ann Lee. As the author of the highly-researched book about that fatal night -- and upon which the series is based -- Carol shares her insight into the evidence found at the murder scene. She explains how that evidence initially seemed to suggest that what transpired was a murder-suicide rampage by Sheila Caffell against her adoptive parents and twin sons, but how, on further examination, it seemed that actually wasn’t the case at all. In fact, as evidence came to light -- as well as new conclusions about the original evidence -- suspicions instead started turning towards Sheila’s brother, Jeremy Bamber. Learn more about your ad-choices at <a href="https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com">https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com</a>

Host Lauren Bright Pacheco talks to Carol Ann Lee, author of the book upon which the series is based, about the shocking evidence of the case.

Episode 3: The Evidence

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