Our guests, Olga Tokariuk and Ben Kelly, discuss Emmanuel Macron’s latest vision for Europe and whether Ukraine can secure long-term funding. Plus: whether presidents like Donald Trump should ever be immune from prosecution and our favourite voting incentives. Plus: a letter from the Lithuanian resort town of Nida.

An increasingly isolated Trump weighs next steps in the war in Iran
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Mark Carney in London to strategise Western response to Iran and Trump’s demands for help
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As Washington plays down disruption, how safe is the Strait of Hormuz?
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