Guest: Fred Swaniker | Founder at African Leadership University 

Guest: Fred Swaniker | Founder at African Leadership University

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The Best of the Money Show

An archive of each full weekday episode of the award-winning program presented by Stephen Grootes.

An archive of each full weekday episode of the award-winning program presented by Stephen Grootes.

The Money Show

A wrap-up of the day’s business news as well as insight into trends and expert advice on all things money-related with Stephen Grootes

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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A wrap-up of the day&rsquo;s business news as well as insight into trends and expert advice on all things money-related with Stephen Grootes
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Shapeshifter - Fred Swaniker, founder at African Leadership University

Funeka Montjane: Decisions that lead

Making a Life with Hannah J Dawson 

Business Unusual: Careers in a Job-Hop Era

Garth de Klerk on fighting insurance crime

Outro

Stephen Grootes spoke to Funeka Montjane about her leadership journey and the values that have shaped her career, Bronwyn Williams about Making a Life by Hannah J. Dawson and the realities facing young men on Johannesburg’s urban margins, Lindiwe Sebesho about the rise of job-hopping and its impact on careers and employers, and Garth de Klerk about the growing threat of organised insurance fraud and efforts to combat it in South Africa.

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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Stephen Grootes spoke to Funeka Montjane about her leadership journey and the values that have shaped her career, Bronwyn Williams about&nbsp;Making a Life&nbsp;by Hannah J. Dawson and the realities facing young men on Johannesburg&rsquo;s urban margins, Lindiwe Sebesho about the rise of job-hopping and its impact on careers and employers, and Garth de Klerk about the growing threat of organised insurance fraud and efforts to combat it in South Africa.
The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape. &nbsp;  &nbsp; Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show&nbsp;&nbsp;
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The Best of the Money Show: Leadership, values & the job-hop era

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SAA acting CEO put on special leave

AI accountability gap SA’s financial secto

Market insights with Zwelakhe Mnguni

Friday File: The art of water tasting

Stephen Grootes speaks to Dr Guy Leitch, aviation analyst, about SAA’s latest leadership upheaval and the impact of repeatedly changing CEOs. With the airline now having gone through five CEOs since 2020, the focus is on what this turnover means for continuity, long-term strategy, commercial deals and the day-to-day running of a national carrier that needs stability to rebuild.

In other interviews, FSCA Commissioner Unathi Kamlana talks about the growing use of AI in financial services, and the accountability gap it creates as AI systems become increasingly autonomous. From automated trading and lending decisions to insurance claims, the question of who is ultimately responsible when an AI system causes harm is becoming harder to answer.

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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Stephen Grootes speaks to Dr Guy Leitch, aviation analyst, about SAA&rsquo;s latest leadership upheaval and the impact of repeatedly changing CEOs. With the airline now having gone through five CEOs since 2020, the focus is on what this turnover means for continuity, long-term strategy, commercial deals and the day-to-day running of a national carrier that needs stability to rebuild.
In other interviews, FSCA Commissioner Unathi Kamlana talks about the growing use of AI in financial services, and the accountability gap it creates as AI systems become increasingly autonomous. From automated trading and lending decisions to insurance claims, the question of who is ultimately responsible when an AI system causes harm is becoming harder to answer.
The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape. &nbsp;  &nbsp; Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show&nbsp;&nbsp;
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SAA acting CEO put on immediate special leave & the AI accountability gap in SA’s financial sector

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Stephen Grootes speaks to Nico Pieterse, founder of The Fine Water Company and a certified water sommelier, about the world’s first fine water tasting room in Stellenbosch and why tasting water is becoming a sensory experience of its own.

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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Stephen Grootes speaks to Nico Pieterse, founder of The Fine Water Company and a certified water sommelier, about the world&rsquo;s first fine water tasting room in Stellenbosch and why tasting water is becoming a sensory experience of its own.
The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape. &nbsp;  &nbsp; Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Shapeshifter - Fred Swaniker, founder at African Leadership University

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