David Shapiro | Veteran Stockbroker and Deputy Chairman at Sasfin

David Shapiro | Veteran Stockbroker and Deputy Chairman at Sasfin

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The Money Show

A wrap-up of the day’s business news as well as insight into trends and expert advice on all things money-related with Stephen Grootes

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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Investment School

Kumba enjoys growing premium ore demand

Commission guns for SA Glass giants 

Market commentary with Viv Govender

IMF urges SA to adopt fiscal rule

Reimagining the South African Post Office

Your next smartphone to cost more

Productivity hacks for small businesses

Investment School: Market choke points tactics

Stephen Grootes speaks to Kumba CEO, Mpumi Zikalala about Kumba’s strong 2025 performance, the rising demand for premium lump iron-ore, and how the UHDMS project is set to further elevate the company’s product quality and market advantage.

In other interviews, the Head of Cartels at the Competition Commission breaks down the findings against PG Glass and Glasfit, explaining the alleged long‑running price‑fixing cartel and what it could mean for consumers and the broader automotive‑glass industry.

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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Stephen Grootes speaks to Kumba CEO, Mpumi Zikalala about Kumba&rsquo;s strong 2025 performance, the rising demand for premium lump iron-ore, and how the UHDMS project is set to further elevate the company&rsquo;s product quality and market advantage.
In other interviews, the Head of Cartels at the Competition Commission breaks down the findings against PG Glass and Glasfit, explaining the alleged long‑running price‑fixing cartel and what it could mean for consumers and the broader automotive‑glass industry.
The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape. &nbsp;  &nbsp; Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Kumba posts strong 2025; SA glass firms hit with cartel prosecution

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Stephen Grootes speaks to Hlelo Giyose, Chief Investment Officer and Principle at First Avenue Investment Management and Ntsika Ntsokolo, Equity Analyst at Sasfin Wealth, about how investors can navigate emerging market choke points and maintain resilient, well-balanced portfolios.

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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Stephen Grootes speaks to Hlelo Giyose, Chief Investment Officer and Principle at First Avenue Investment Management and Ntsika Ntsokolo, Equity Analyst at Sasfin Wealth, about how investors can navigate emerging market choke points and maintain resilient, well-balanced portfolios.
The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape. &nbsp;  &nbsp; Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Investment School: Investor strategies for market choke points

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Stephen Grootes speaks to tech expert, Siphumelele Zondi, about why smartphones and laptops could become harder to find, or more expensive, as the global microchip shortage continues to disrupt production.

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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Stephen Grootes speaks to tech expert, Siphumelele Zondi, about why smartphones and laptops could become harder to find, or more expensive, as the global microchip shortage continues to disrupt production.
The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape. &nbsp;  &nbsp; Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Tech Thursday: The microchip crunch: Why your next smartphone or laptop may cost more

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