Head done and welcome to the MMQB NFL podcast. I'm Connor. Albert Breer is back and possibly aware or unaware of all the places I said he was while he was on vacation. I said, you were in jail one week. I said that you had been injured in an insider's NFL insider knife fight.

Head done and welcome to the MMQB NFL podcast. I'm Connor. Albert Breer is back and possibly aware or unaware of all the places I said he was while he was on vacation. I said, you were in jail one week. I said that you had been injured in an insider's NFL insider knife fight.

Uh maybe you.

Uh maybe you.

Yeah, you got like a little uh caught like a little shive from Ian Rappaport from NFL Network or something like that.

Yeah, you got like a little uh caught like a little shive from Ian Rappaport from NFL Network or something like that.

You have to reach out a little, you know.

You have to reach out a little, you know.

As a fellow shortband. I can't laugh at that, but I think I think Ian and I are about the same height. But welcome back, Albert. We're gonna go through ten burning questions heading into training camp. It is. It is absolutely startling that summer is over. We basically had her like community summerfest. I shaved and I did a full Fu Manchu or Fu Manchu all weekend. Felt good. Basically lived in a tent for a couple of days eight pretty much nothing but hot dogs and uh, I'm ready now now now that that's over, the football season is here.

As a fellow shortband. I can't laugh at that, but I think I think Ian and I are about the same height. But welcome back, Albert. We're gonna go through ten burning questions heading into training camp. It is. It is absolutely startling that summer is over. We basically had her like community summerfest. I shaved and I did a full Fu Manchu or Fu Manchu all weekend. Felt good. Basically lived in a tent for a couple of days eight pretty much nothing but hot dogs and uh, I'm ready now now now that that's over, the football season is here.

This is I think the best way to describe it like this was obviously it's a little different, but it's that feeling in the pity your stomach when you were playing football growing up, when practice was going to start it And I love playing football and I played for nine years, and you know, I know you played two and like I, neither of us at a very high level, to be clear, but speak for yourself, but I remember distinctly that feeling in the pit of your stomach that it like two a days were coming, yes, and once that started, summer was over. Even though like that's that's why, like I think, like like Brady's speech, like everyone could connect with that, like knowing you're like he said something about like knowing your friends or at the beach or at the pool or whatever, and you're out there in like these like like I don't want to go junction boys and everybody. But I think people of our age can relate with the feeling of the dust coming up off the field in the morning as you're doing updowns like that, Like dirt like that comes off. You have this film over your face all day, and so it's not exactly the same as like knowing that, but it's sort of similar and knowing like all right, like once this starts, my weekends are gone, and like we again, we love what we do, similar to like playing football, like we love the that's what we do. But it's just the it's the feeling before you're in it. And once you're in it, you're fine, but the feeling before you're in it is a little jarring.

This is I think the best way to describe it like this was obviously it's a little different, but it's that feeling in the pity your stomach when you were playing football growing up, when practice was going to start it And I love playing football and I played for nine years, and you know, I know you played two and like I, neither of us at a very high level, to be clear, but speak for yourself, but I remember distinctly that feeling in the pit of your stomach that it like two a days were coming, yes, and once that started, summer was over. Even though like that's that's why, like I think, like like Brady's speech, like everyone could connect with that, like knowing you're like he said something about like knowing your friends or at the beach or at the pool or whatever, and you're out there in like these like like I don't want to go junction boys and everybody. But I think people of our age can relate with the feeling of the dust coming up off the field in the morning as you're doing updowns like that, Like dirt like that comes off. You have this film over your face all day, and so it's not exactly the same as like knowing that, but it's sort of similar and knowing like all right, like once this starts, my weekends are gone, and like we again, we love what we do, similar to like playing football, like we love the that's what we do. But it's just the it's the feeling before you're in it. And once you're in it, you're fine, but the feeling before you're in it is a little jarring.

I always remember, like I got it in the same place, in my friend Jason's front front porch. He had like two rocking chairs and we would play N sixty four like until our eyes bled, and then his parents were like, just go outside for like five minutes. And then I remember, like, you know, you do that all summer, and then all of a sudden you'd be sitting on that rocking chair and you'd be like, oh, man, practices tomorrow, and then you just you know, it's like a nervousness, but it's just like a god, you know. But then you know, I probably think about it on the other side, like there are probably kids who were like really really good at football who were like sick can't wait to just destroy people like Connor like smaller people, you know, she can't wait to run people over like that, Like He's probably they probably were rating all summer for that the only you know to bring the nostalgia full circle, Albert, I'm wearing a football jersey, which I haven't done in.

I always remember, like I got it in the same place, in my friend Jason's front front porch. He had like two rocking chairs and we would play N sixty four like until our eyes bled, and then his parents were like, just go outside for like five minutes. And then I remember, like, you know, you do that all summer, and then all of a sudden you'd be sitting on that rocking chair and you'd be like, oh, man, practices tomorrow, and then you just you know, it's like a nervousness, but it's just like a god, you know. But then you know, I probably think about it on the other side, like there are probably kids who were like really really good at football who were like sick can't wait to just destroy people like Connor like smaller people, you know, she can't wait to run people over like that, Like He's probably they probably were rating all summer for that the only you know to bring the nostalgia full circle, Albert, I'm wearing a football jersey, which I haven't done in.

All the long time, but I broke it in and I'm excited for this discussion, so let's dive right into it.

All the long time, but I broke it in and I'm excited for this discussion, so let's dive right into it.

And C double A we're gonna talk about, like I said, ten burning questions heading into training camp, so stay tuned for that. But n C DOUBLEA Football is coming out. I am so excited that I'm probably going to like, you know, it's it's gonna take PlayStation. Yeah yeah, I mean when we were when we had our first kid, I sold everything. I boxed up the PS. I think I had a PS three at that point, boxed everything up, sold the PS three, got rid of everything I had. I had a good ND sixty four that I got rid of, and I so, okay, I got to be responsible. I got to be an adult. Now regretting that because now I have no foundation except for to go out and reload with the entire system. But NCAA twenty five is out and I'm jacked.

And C double A we're gonna talk about, like I said, ten burning questions heading into training camp, so stay tuned for that. But n C DOUBLEA Football is coming out. I am so excited that I'm probably going to like, you know, it's it's gonna take PlayStation. Yeah yeah, I mean when we were when we had our first kid, I sold everything. I boxed up the PS. I think I had a PS three at that point, boxed everything up, sold the PS three, got rid of everything I had. I had a good ND sixty four that I got rid of, and I so, okay, I got to be responsible. I got to be an adult. Now regretting that because now I have no foundation except for to go out and reload with the entire system. But NCAA twenty five is out and I'm jacked.

Yeah, so like I feel like so like I think what you just mentioned with the N sixty four kind of shows the slight generation gap between the two of us. Like for me, it would have been in high school PlayStation one right, like the first PlayStation and before that Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis. So when I would say, like the peak of Madden for me was late nineties, and there had been a college football game called Bill Walsh College Football when I was really young, when I was like thirteen, twelve, thirteen years old, that came out for Sega Genesis. I think right there in like the late nineties, college football made a comeback, and I think everybody who and I was born in nineteen eighty, graduated high school ninety eight, graduated college No. Two. I think everyone who's my age, or at least most people my age, felt like Madden got surpassed by college football somewhere in there late nineties, early two thousands, and then like college football was the game. Like we played that game NonStop when I was in college, and then when I got out of college, and I mean like hurt feelings, you know, like stuff that was considered bs and you were considered a dirty player, like if you had like an on side kick trick, right, like no one wanted to play against you. Broken controllers from being hurled across the room. You know, ebbs and flows and who's the dominant force, you know, wind streaks, lose streaks, all the emotions, the ups and the ups and the downs, like this is uh, this coming back is like really brings me back. It's an emotional day, Connor.

Yeah, so like I feel like so like I think what you just mentioned with the N sixty four kind of shows the slight generation gap between the two of us. Like for me, it would have been in high school PlayStation one right, like the first PlayStation and before that Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis. So when I would say, like the peak of Madden for me was late nineties, and there had been a college football game called Bill Walsh College Football when I was really young, when I was like thirteen, twelve, thirteen years old, that came out for Sega Genesis. I think right there in like the late nineties, college football made a comeback, and I think everybody who and I was born in nineteen eighty, graduated high school ninety eight, graduated college No. Two. I think everyone who's my age, or at least most people my age, felt like Madden got surpassed by college football somewhere in there late nineties, early two thousands, and then like college football was the game. Like we played that game NonStop when I was in college, and then when I got out of college, and I mean like hurt feelings, you know, like stuff that was considered bs and you were considered a dirty player, like if you had like an on side kick trick, right, like no one wanted to play against you. Broken controllers from being hurled across the room. You know, ebbs and flows and who's the dominant force, you know, wind streaks, lose streaks, all the emotions, the ups and the ups and the downs, like this is uh, this coming back is like really brings me back. It's an emotional day, Connor.

It is. I I do have a lot of questions though, because I remember, like, you know, my big thing and I'm sure all of our things, like you know, we always in the in the writing business, we encourage people to in the media business, we're like, oh, these guys should do the right thing, do the right thing. But I would just lie to every recruits family and be like, yeah, your kid's gonna play right away, you know. And then I would just get them there and I'd be like now, you know, like Nick Saban, sorry sorry you don't know ball, but.

It is. I I do have a lot of questions though, because I remember, like, you know, my big thing and I'm sure all of our things, like you know, we always in the in the writing business, we encourage people to in the media business, we're like, oh, these guys should do the right thing, do the right thing. But I would just lie to every recruits family and be like, yeah, your kid's gonna play right away, you know. And then I would just get them there and I'd be like now, you know, like Nick Saban, sorry sorry you don't know ball, but.

Well the best like and then and then like like the guy that that the top recruits, you would give them like a cool number and like dress them up like you know, with the you know, with with fifteen wrist bands up their arms and oh yeah, cowboy collar and the visor, like the really special players got the special single digits right. Like that was like I feel like there was like a lot of things that were pretty common that everybody did. The like take the MAC team, and I think at one point you could eventually move them into power conferences or you could earn your way into a power conference, right, so.

Well the best like and then and then like like the guy that that the top recruits, you would give them like a cool number and like dress them up like you know, with the you know, with with fifteen wrist bands up their arms and oh yeah, cowboy collar and the visor, like the really special players got the special single digits right. Like that was like I feel like there was like a lot of things that were pretty common that everybody did. The like take the MAC team, and I think at one point you could eventually move them into power conferences or you could earn your way into a power conference, right, so.

Used to be able to move you know, you could change the conferences. Like so I always took the I used to like to take like Harvard or Princeton and just load them up with like six.

Used to be able to move you know, you could change the conferences. Like so I always took the I used to like to take like Harvard or Princeton and just load them up with like six.

Five, you know, and put them in the A SEC.

Five, you know, and put them in the A SEC.

But yeah, we're like yeah, like the SEC you know, and like have like.

But yeah, we're like yeah, like the SEC you know, and like have like.

Like Hearts of Harvard Alabama.

Like Hearts of Harvard Alabama.

SEC championship game. Yeah, like it was like nineteen ten again.

SEC championship game. Yeah, like it was like nineteen ten again.

I mean everyone, like I like, there's very few things that resonate with everybody, but like taking Ken, taking like Kent State to like national prominence. Everyone can relate with.

I mean everyone, like I like, there's very few things that resonate with everybody, but like taking Ken, taking like Kent State to like national prominence. Everyone can relate with.

This West Western or Northern Illinois whatever the leathernecks were, Western Illinois or Northern Illinois, I can't remember.

This West Western or Northern Illinois whatever the leathernecks were, Western Illinois or Northern Illinois, I can't remember.

I feel like the move back in the day was whatever your favorite team was, right Like I would take like Ohio State and play like one season with them, right Like when the national title is just kind of like your your your lidlifter to like playing the game, right, and like back then, i'd like finished the season in like an embarrassingly short amount.

I feel like the move back in the day was whatever your favorite team was, right Like I would take like Ohio State and play like one season with them, right Like when the national title is just kind of like your your your lidlifter to like playing the game, right, and like back then, i'd like finished the season in like an embarrassingly short amount.

Of time like a day, two days.

Of time like a day, two days.

Yeah. Yeah. So then once that was done, then it was like no fun to play with them anymore because you'd be able to get any recruit you wanted or whatever, right, and so then it was time to reset and go back and get like the mid major team and start to build a mid major team up. Yeah, and then when you were playing against your friends and stuff, you would use the power teams and all that.

Yeah. Yeah. So then once that was done, then it was like no fun to play with them anymore because you'd be able to get any recruit you wanted or whatever, right, and so then it was time to reset and go back and get like the mid major team and start to build a mid major team up. Yeah, and then when you were playing against your friends and stuff, you would use the power teams and all that.

But I wonder, now, like is there do we know or there is there like nil stuff written in like do we get to pay the kids?

But I wonder, now, like is there do we know or there is there like nil stuff written in like do we get to pay the kids?

Now?

Now?

Like that's what I want to I don't want.

Like that's what I want to I don't want.

Like I don't like I I think I I want to say, like Anil isn't in it yet, and I think I heard, And I might be wrong, but I think I heard.

Like I don't like I I think I I want to say, like Anil isn't in it yet, and I think I heard, And I might be wrong, but I think I heard.

It's because technically the rules don't allow for the schools to pay, even though everybody knows what's happening. Like, technically the rules don't allow for the schools to make direct payments to the players, But like, I don't know why they couldn't put like boosters in the game, right.

It's because technically the rules don't allow for the schools to pay, even though everybody knows what's happening. Like, technically the rules don't allow for the schools to make direct payments to the players, But like, I don't know why they couldn't put like boosters in the game, right.

I mean, part of this has got like there's got to be like a like a Buddy Garrity from Friday Night Lights mode where like you have to somehow indirectly get the funds to the players. So it's like there should be a there should be a mode where it's like come up with a meet and greet at the car wash so that your star wide receiver can get eleven thousand dollars in a paper bag, you know.

I mean, part of this has got like there's got to be like a like a Buddy Garrity from Friday Night Lights mode where like you have to somehow indirectly get the funds to the players. So it's like there should be a there should be a mode where it's like come up with a meet and greet at the car wash so that your star wide receiver can get eleven thousand dollars in a paper bag, you know.

I mean that was such a Buddy Garrity was such a perfect character too, like the car dealership, like yeah, like.

I mean that was such a Buddy Garrity was such a perfect character too, like the car dealership, like yeah, like.

And later in the bar, huh later a bar. So my wife and I did a full rewatch. Well, my wife never seen it.

And later in the bar, huh later a bar. So my wife and I did a full rewatch. Well, my wife never seen it.

I had watched it, loves it, and she like, I can't get her to watch much football stuff, but she loves Friday Night Lights.

I had watched it, loves it, and she like, I can't get her to watch much football stuff, but she loves Friday Night Lights.

We're almost done with a full rewatch, and the Buddy Garrity character arc is epic. He's back on his feet now. He was hooking up with Tyler Tyer Collette's mom and then his marriage disintegrated. But he's back, so you know, being a dad, you know. But yeah, I don't know if there's gonna be a at some point they're gonna have to address the elephant in the room here, which is that we can shower these young men with unlimited amounts of cash from the fire hose, which is that's gonna be the fun part. Like I want to be the benevolent like university president. Like there's would be like university president mode where you can just hand arch manning like eleven million dollars here, take it.

We're almost done with a full rewatch, and the Buddy Garrity character arc is epic. He's back on his feet now. He was hooking up with Tyler Tyer Collette's mom and then his marriage disintegrated. But he's back, so you know, being a dad, you know. But yeah, I don't know if there's gonna be a at some point they're gonna have to address the elephant in the room here, which is that we can shower these young men with unlimited amounts of cash from the fire hose, which is that's gonna be the fun part. Like I want to be the benevolent like university president. Like there's would be like university president mode where you can just hand arch manning like eleven million dollars here, take it.

Like but then do you have to like scratch do you have to like go out and fundraise too? If you're the coach, you know what I mean? Like do you have to go out and like light hand with like Buddy Garrity, you know what I mean? It would be the offer some offer some like oil baron like a luxury suite or something like that.

Like but then do you have to like scratch do you have to like go out and fundraise too? If you're the coach, you know what I mean? Like do you have to go out and like light hand with like Buddy Garrity, you know what I mean? It would be the offer some offer some like oil baron like a luxury suite or something like that.

Like it's like we're already playing suspending all this time, playing fake football, and now we're doing like fake civil service to like put ourselves in line for fake relationships with fake boosters and then to get fake cash when like.

Like it's like we're already playing suspending all this time, playing fake football, and now we're doing like fake civil service to like put ourselves in line for fake relationships with fake boosters and then to get fake cash when like.

We're to land fake recruits. Is there a way, Like I mean, how long until how long until like there are high school kids in this game? Like seriously, because like wouldn't you think like they could. They could eventually do that where it's like, okay, like we're going to take like the rivals top two fifty or whatever, and we're going to put them in the game as recruits. Yeah, you know what I mean.

We're to land fake recruits. Is there a way, Like I mean, how long until how long until like there are high school kids in this game? Like seriously, because like wouldn't you think like they could. They could eventually do that where it's like, okay, like we're going to take like the rivals top two fifty or whatever, and we're going to put them in the game as recruits. Yeah, you know what I mean.

I mean, you could probably do it now, Like there's probably a way that you can download it, like a patch or whatever. You know, these kids know what's going on. They could do it, you know. But it's exciting. I'm excited for I'm excited for the kids, you know, to be able to unlock that. That was like a gateway drug from me to be obsessed with football. Now that I'm old and crusty, and you know, I don't I don't necessarily need it anymore, or I don't have time for it anymore. My kids aren't quite old enough to grasp video games yet. But I'm very happy for the kid who gets to go to Target today with his parents and come home with NCAA twenty.

I mean, you could probably do it now, Like there's probably a way that you can download it, like a patch or whatever. You know, these kids know what's going on. They could do it, you know. But it's exciting. I'm excited for I'm excited for the kids, you know, to be able to unlock that. That was like a gateway drug from me to be obsessed with football. Now that I'm old and crusty, and you know, I don't I don't necessarily need it anymore, or I don't have time for it anymore. My kids aren't quite old enough to grasp video games yet. But I'm very happy for the kid who gets to go to Target today with his parents and come home with NCAA twenty.

I don't think he can actually buy it today. I think it's only I know. I don't think you can go to the store and actually buy it today. I think you can download it today and then it gets to stores. I think later in the week. I might be wrong again, I might be wrong, but I think that that's where it is, which to me is really weird too, isn't it. Doesn't that take the thrill out of it?

I don't think he can actually buy it today. I think it's only I know. I don't think you can go to the store and actually buy it today. I think you can download it today and then it gets to stores. I think later in the week. I might be wrong again, I might be wrong, but I think that that's where it is, which to me is really weird too, isn't it. Doesn't that take the thrill out of it?

Yeah? You got to unwrap it. You got to see who's on the who is on the cover.

Yeah? You got to unwrap it. You got to see who's on the who is on the cover.

The anticipation of the drive home from the store.

The anticipation of the drive home from the store.

Yeah, who's on the cover.

Yeah, who's on the cover.

So it's Donovan Edward where it's from? From Michigan, the running back from Michigan. Travis Hunter, the two way guy, the corner and receiver from Colorado, and then Quinn Ewers, the quarterback from tex I think those are the three.

So it's Donovan Edward where it's from? From Michigan, the running back from Michigan. Travis Hunter, the two way guy, the corner and receiver from Colorado, and then Quinn Ewers, the quarterback from tex I think those are the three.

Okay, no high state people.

Okay, no high state people.

It's interesting, Well, there were too many to choose from. Wouldn't be fair to pick anyone's just one.

It's interesting, Well, there were too many to choose from. Wouldn't be fair to pick anyone's just one.

We're gonna get into the ten burning questions. I'm gonna kind of like, so Albert has this column. You guys can go and read it on SI dot com. I'm gonna call a brief audible and serve shoehorn in another one of Albert's columns as a burning question because I think it was really good. And I'm telling Albert this for the first time that I was talking to someone from the NFL multiverse the other day, and they actually brought up they were like, this was a really good job by Albert, so pat on the back. But this idea that All Access and you wrote about this like all Access fatigue, like it right here in New York. What everyone's talking about. It's this idea of the Giants on Hard Knocks, and it's like, oh, this is how it really went down. And we've gotten to this stage where there's a preseason Hard Knocks, there's a training camp hard Knocks, there's an d season Hard Knocks, there'd be a pro season Hard Knocks, whatever it is, you know, and every team does their own version of Hard Knocks. It's exhausting. Good PR people have figured out a way to completely stage it right so that your team gets your message across. I mean, I don't know if you guys remember last year there was a moment where we all thought that the you know, the general feel that the Jets needed an offensive tackle right, and the Steelers traded up to get a guy right in front of the Jets, and then the Jets conveniently had like a Hard Knocks clip of Joe Douglas, like working around that narrative, you know, and getting somebody else and so, and the Giants are preseason hard knocks right now, right very conveniently, like they're handling it the right way. You know, everything was cut and dry with Saquon. You know, everybody loves each other the end, you know, and all this stuff. And I do think that, you know, the more that we get of this stuff, the less actual inside access were even get. And at some point that's gonna be uninteresting. Right, we had quarterback on Netflix. Now we got receiver on Netflix. At some point there's gonna be back up interior swing tackle on Netflix, you know, and it's like, what, you know, We're we're missing something here, you know what I mean. I just can't farm camp camp leg on Netflix. Yeah, backup kicker, the guy who knows he's gonna lose the job.

We're gonna get into the ten burning questions. I'm gonna kind of like, so Albert has this column. You guys can go and read it on SI dot com. I'm gonna call a brief audible and serve shoehorn in another one of Albert's columns as a burning question because I think it was really good. And I'm telling Albert this for the first time that I was talking to someone from the NFL multiverse the other day, and they actually brought up they were like, this was a really good job by Albert, so pat on the back. But this idea that All Access and you wrote about this like all Access fatigue, like it right here in New York. What everyone's talking about. It's this idea of the Giants on Hard Knocks, and it's like, oh, this is how it really went down. And we've gotten to this stage where there's a preseason Hard Knocks, there's a training camp hard Knocks, there's an d season Hard Knocks, there'd be a pro season Hard Knocks, whatever it is, you know, and every team does their own version of Hard Knocks. It's exhausting. Good PR people have figured out a way to completely stage it right so that your team gets your message across. I mean, I don't know if you guys remember last year there was a moment where we all thought that the you know, the general feel that the Jets needed an offensive tackle right, and the Steelers traded up to get a guy right in front of the Jets, and then the Jets conveniently had like a Hard Knocks clip of Joe Douglas, like working around that narrative, you know, and getting somebody else and so, and the Giants are preseason hard knocks right now, right very conveniently, like they're handling it the right way. You know, everything was cut and dry with Saquon. You know, everybody loves each other the end, you know, and all this stuff. And I do think that, you know, the more that we get of this stuff, the less actual inside access were even get. And at some point that's gonna be uninteresting. Right, we had quarterback on Netflix. Now we got receiver on Netflix. At some point there's gonna be back up interior swing tackle on Netflix, you know, and it's like, what, you know, We're we're missing something here, you know what I mean. I just can't farm camp camp leg on Netflix. Yeah, backup kicker, the guy who knows he's gonna lose the job.

Yeah, yeah, the guy's just there, so like the regular kicker can take days off.

Yeah, yeah, the guy's just there, so like the regular kicker can take days off.

Yeah, I mean, at some point, right, we're gonna we're gonna tire of this.

Yeah, I mean, at some point, right, we're gonna we're gonna tire of this.

I feel like, right, kicker would be interesting, because kicker would be good. You know, I've always heard this about kickers and punter like specialists in general, is that like there are certain points that they're all really good golfers because there are certain points in the calendar there's just not like a lot for them to do, so they show up for work and then they kind of like can like leave early so they all just go play golf all the time.

I feel like, right, kicker would be interesting, because kicker would be good. You know, I've always heard this about kickers and punter like specialists in general, is that like there are certain points that they're all really good golfers because there are certain points in the calendar there's just not like a lot for them to do, so they show up for work and then they kind of like can like leave early so they all just go play golf all the time.

Yeah, I mean it's awesome.

Yeah, I mean it's awesome.

Why wouldn't you think it was? Jay Feely told me that, Like, but they're all like there are a ton of kickers, Like, there are a ton of kickers who are like outstanding golfers. And that's part of the reason why is because there are parts, there are points in the calendar where they have they have just a lot of time to go and do that.

Why wouldn't you think it was? Jay Feely told me that, Like, but they're all like there are a ton of kickers, Like, there are a ton of kickers who are like outstanding golfers. And that's part of the reason why is because there are parts, there are points in the calendar where they have they have just a lot of time to go and do that.

Team build must be nice guys.

Team build must be nice guys.

Yeah, but I don't know.

Yeah, but I don't know.

I mean so I think it ties in a little bit to a discussion that we've had in the past. But like at some point, I feel like, and everybody loves football. We know that that's why we're here, but like we're just like we're just ringing everything we can out of this dish rag, you know what I mean, And we're really squeezing it. Like at some point, isn't everybody like, all right, I there's nothing else that I can't possibly care about. This anymore.

I mean so I think it ties in a little bit to a discussion that we've had in the past. But like at some point, I feel like, and everybody loves football. We know that that's why we're here, but like we're just like we're just ringing everything we can out of this dish rag, you know what I mean, And we're really squeezing it. Like at some point, isn't everybody like, all right, I there's nothing else that I can't possibly care about. This anymore.

I think. I think the off season ones are completely different, and I am really entertained by what I want to be clear about that, Like the Pick Is in the Rokuchi series I thought was really good with the Rams, the Commanders, the Bears, and was there a fourth team, the.

I think. I think the off season ones are completely different, and I am really entertained by what I want to be clear about that, Like the Pick Is in the Rokuchi series I thought was really good with the Rams, the Commanders, the Bears, and was there a fourth team, the.

Car I didn't even know this existed. There's a Roku one too.

Car I didn't even know this existed. There's a Roku one too.

There's a Roku series called the Pick is in Good Lord. The Ram's the Ram. It has the Rams, the Cardinals, the Commanders, and the Bears those four teams like and it basically is like a timeline of the draft.

There's a Roku series called the Pick is in Good Lord. The Ram's the Ram. It has the Rams, the Cardinals, the Commanders, and the Bears those four teams like and it basically is like a timeline of the draft.

Let me guess, did they all get their guy top guy on the board everybody?

Let me guess, did they all get their guy top guy on the board everybody?

You know. What's interesting though, is like I feel like in both this one and in the Giants offseason one, there's been stuff that's gotten in there that the teams didn't really at least my perceptions that teams wouldn't have really wanted in there. So with the Rams, like I'll give everybody a look behind the curtain here, Like I I knew like the day of the draft, the Rams had like sort of two targets right that they were looking to potentially trade up for. One was Brock Powers, the other was Byron Murphy, and they were very they wanted to keep that tight like I but I but I had heard it and it didn't get out right after the draft, and you know, I remember like thinking, okay, like I'm going to try and circle back and report on this at some point. You know, It's one of those things you kind of as a reporter took away. And then the brock Bowers think got out like and I think got out like over the maybe like the three or four days after the draft, but the Byron Murphy thing hadn't gotten out, and then the Byron Murphy thing got out in this series, and I just think there were some people in the Rams organization that were unhappy with that. And the reason why is really nuanced. Who were their first two draft picks. They were pass rushers r right, It was Jared Verse and Bryden Fisk. And so for those two guys, that kind of sucks, you know what I mean, Like that's tough. Right, So there's that like thing like that like happens in the off season. That's so different, Like that doesn't happen during training camp. You don't have something like that during training camp. Then with the Giants, the Saquon stuff. I don't know that they knew exactly how like the Saquon stuff was going to come out. In fact, like I could tell you, like a week two weeks before the series premiere, they had no idea what was going to be in there. And that's so fundamentally different than the Hard Knocks training camp because every week's sort of a new week. When you're doing that, right, like, so you do it, it comes out like you're vetted on Monday, it comes out on Tuesday, Boom, it's done. In this case, NFL film sat like four months of footage and they weren't putting it out as it happened. They were putting it out way after. So that's like a totally different dynamic.

You know. What's interesting though, is like I feel like in both this one and in the Giants offseason one, there's been stuff that's gotten in there that the teams didn't really at least my perceptions that teams wouldn't have really wanted in there. So with the Rams, like I'll give everybody a look behind the curtain here, Like I I knew like the day of the draft, the Rams had like sort of two targets right that they were looking to potentially trade up for. One was Brock Powers, the other was Byron Murphy, and they were very they wanted to keep that tight like I but I but I had heard it and it didn't get out right after the draft, and you know, I remember like thinking, okay, like I'm going to try and circle back and report on this at some point. You know, It's one of those things you kind of as a reporter took away. And then the brock Bowers think got out like and I think got out like over the maybe like the three or four days after the draft, but the Byron Murphy thing hadn't gotten out, and then the Byron Murphy thing got out in this series, and I just think there were some people in the Rams organization that were unhappy with that. And the reason why is really nuanced. Who were their first two draft picks. They were pass rushers r right, It was Jared Verse and Bryden Fisk. And so for those two guys, that kind of sucks, you know what I mean, Like that's tough. Right, So there's that like thing like that like happens in the off season. That's so different, Like that doesn't happen during training camp. You don't have something like that during training camp. Then with the Giants, the Saquon stuff. I don't know that they knew exactly how like the Saquon stuff was going to come out. In fact, like I could tell you, like a week two weeks before the series premiere, they had no idea what was going to be in there. And that's so fundamentally different than the Hard Knocks training camp because every week's sort of a new week. When you're doing that, right, like, so you do it, it comes out like you're vetted on Monday, it comes out on Tuesday, Boom, it's done. In this case, NFL film sat like four months of footage and they weren't putting it out as it happened. They were putting it out way after. So that's like a totally different dynamic.

The teams don't have final editing power over that they do.

The teams don't have final editing power over that they do.

They do, but they do. But like I think the way some of the Saquon stuff came out, like I like, I think some teams would look at that and say like, oh wow, you know, like I saw some people going after the Giants for their handling of it, like and I was like, like I thought it was fine, you know what I mean. But there's so many things that happened in the offseason, so many hard discussions that have to be had, so many swings and misses that happened for every team, right, Like, so you swing on a trade up and you don't get it, but you're still happy with who you drafted, and sometimes that stuff works out. There are reasons why that stuff doesn't become public. There are reasons why those conversations, those hard conversations you have to have with your own players about hitting free agency, there's a reason why those have been kept private over the years, right, And I just think, like there's so much relationship stuff, Like here's a great example, so in the pit, which I'd encourage you to watch the Roku channel series Connor because it was really.

They do, but they do. But like I think the way some of the Saquon stuff came out, like I like, I think some teams would look at that and say like, oh wow, you know, like I saw some people going after the Giants for their handling of it, like and I was like, like I thought it was fine, you know what I mean. But there's so many things that happened in the offseason, so many hard discussions that have to be had, so many swings and misses that happened for every team, right, Like, so you swing on a trade up and you don't get it, but you're still happy with who you drafted, and sometimes that stuff works out. There are reasons why that stuff doesn't become public. There are reasons why those conversations, those hard conversations you have to have with your own players about hitting free agency, there's a reason why those have been kept private over the years, right, And I just think, like there's so much relationship stuff, Like here's a great example, so in the pit, which I'd encourage you to watch the Roku channel series Connor because it was really.

I'm not.

I'm not.

I wasn't very I wasn't very in tune on it. Like I I went on my TV, I downloaded the Roku channel. I guess I'm doing an ad for them there, and I like, so you you go on your TV, you download the Roku channel app, and it was right there for me.

I wasn't very I wasn't very in tune on it. Like I I went on my TV, I downloaded the Roku channel. I guess I'm doing an ad for them there, and I like, so you you go on your TV, you download the Roku channel app, and it was right there for me.

This wasn't native advertising. I really just I only watch like Family.

This wasn't native advertising. I really just I only watch like Family.

Although if they want to advertise with us, I would say, maybe we're open for business. I don't know sure, So anyway, so I had, you know, I go on and or you go on, you download it and then it's right there. So the Commanders and Eagles there were some discussions about the trade they made, and it's unusual for teams to trade within the division, but it happened here with a trade in the second round. I think it was the one where the Eagles came up to get Cooper to Gene.

Although if they want to advertise with us, I would say, maybe we're open for business. I don't know sure, So anyway, so I had, you know, I go on and or you go on, you download it and then it's right there. So the Commanders and Eagles there were some discussions about the trade they made, and it's unusual for teams to trade within the division, but it happened here with a trade in the second round. I think it was the one where the Eagles came up to get Cooper to Gene.

Right, so Cooper to Jellan.

Right, so Cooper to Jellan.

So I'm still on like a little unclear on the pronounce. I think it's Cooper to Gene, but I'm not one hundred percent positive. We're gonna have to work that one out. But there was a there was a point during the trade talks where Adam Peters got off the phone with the Eagles and was like, Hallie's a pain in the ass.

So I'm still on like a little unclear on the pronounce. I think it's Cooper to Gene, but I'm not one hundred percent positive. We're gonna have to work that one out. But there was a there was a point during the trade talks where Adam Peters got off the phone with the Eagles and was like, Hallie's a pain in the ass.

I was just about to yeah, that's yeah, well generally right.

I was just about to yeah, that's yeah, well generally right.

Part of my part of my reporting for that was like finding out if they event and it turns out that yes, Adam Peters actually called Hallie Roseman and cleared it with him because he had seen like okay, like this is going in cleared it with him and then went to Bob Lang, who he was together with in San Francisco. He's their pr guy in Philly, right, went to Bob Lang and cleared it with him, And I thought that was interesting that the teams had to do that work on their own, you know what I mean, which sort of speaks to and I don't know if you saw the Nayot quote at the end of my story and all access, but you sort of wonder how this is going to affect the relationship between NFL Network and the teams, or NFL films and the teams, because NFL films had always had this like sacred trust with the teams and so so much of that was based off of one guy, Steve Sable, who God rest his soul's gone.

Part of my part of my reporting for that was like finding out if they event and it turns out that yes, Adam Peters actually called Hallie Roseman and cleared it with him because he had seen like okay, like this is going in cleared it with him and then went to Bob Lang, who he was together with in San Francisco. He's their pr guy in Philly, right, went to Bob Lang and cleared it with him, And I thought that was interesting that the teams had to do that work on their own, you know what I mean, which sort of speaks to and I don't know if you saw the Nayot quote at the end of my story and all access, but you sort of wonder how this is going to affect the relationship between NFL Network and the teams, or NFL films and the teams, because NFL films had always had this like sacred trust with the teams and so so much of that was based off of one guy, Steve Sable, who God rest his soul's gone.

Now wonderfully, how is this.

Now wonderfully, how is this.

Don't know, how is this going to Like I mean, Mayo's take was like that trust that stable built, like that's not there anymore. So, you know, I think that there's a lot of relationship stuff that goes into the all Access stuff that's really really interesting.

Don't know, how is this going to Like I mean, Mayo's take was like that trust that stable built, like that's not there anymore. So, you know, I think that there's a lot of relationship stuff that goes into the all Access stuff that's really really interesting.

Now it's sort of like it reminds me of like, I don't know, if do you follow Albert any so my Instagram algorithm gives me this, and I don't really know why, but like the hardcore efficiency mom algorithm on Instagram, do you know what I'm talking about?

Now it's sort of like it reminds me of like, I don't know, if do you follow Albert any so my Instagram algorithm gives me this, and I don't really know why, but like the hardcore efficiency mom algorithm on Instagram, do you know what I'm talking about?

Okay, I don't know if I have that. I definitely have like the complaining about youth sports algorithm, So that's what you're on. So it's probably like a cousin of it, right, Yeah.

Okay, I don't know if I have that. I definitely have like the complaining about youth sports algorithm, So that's what you're on. So it's probably like a cousin of it, right, Yeah.

I'm like, like, for some reason, my Instagram algorithm thinks I'm like a mother of like a very large family, probably because I look up. Well, I don't know, I don't know why, but you know, cause I don't want to pigeonhole anybody or insult anybody or anything like that. But it's it's like this thing where a lot of these moms like basically like everything that their kid does, and dads do this too, everything their kids does is now content, you know what I mean. And so it's like, oh, well, look at this. I woke up at six o'clock in the morning and I ran five miles and then I got my kids up, and then look at the breakfast I'm making them, and I'm holding their phone up and I'm holding the phone up to their face while they're eating their breakfast. You know, look at that and look at how good healthy of a breakfast I'm giving them and all this stuff, and the NFL is going to cannibalize itself because like every fun conversation, everything that kind of made the NFL the NFL, like that swaggering wild West tough guy whatever it is, is now is now being like taken and monopolized for content, you know, and utilized for content you know.

I'm like, like, for some reason, my Instagram algorithm thinks I'm like a mother of like a very large family, probably because I look up. Well, I don't know, I don't know why, but you know, cause I don't want to pigeonhole anybody or insult anybody or anything like that. But it's it's like this thing where a lot of these moms like basically like everything that their kid does, and dads do this too, everything their kids does is now content, you know what I mean. And so it's like, oh, well, look at this. I woke up at six o'clock in the morning and I ran five miles and then I got my kids up, and then look at the breakfast I'm making them, and I'm holding their phone up and I'm holding the phone up to their face while they're eating their breakfast. You know, look at that and look at how good healthy of a breakfast I'm giving them and all this stuff, and the NFL is going to cannibalize itself because like every fun conversation, everything that kind of made the NFL the NFL, like that swaggering wild West tough guy whatever it is, is now is now being like taken and monopolized for content, you know, and utilized for content you know.

It's it's like the you know, like I sort of take this back to like the Ritchie incognito thing, right, And I think we all have text groups where and I'm not saying we say stuff like what was said there, but we all have text groups of friends.

It's it's like the you know, like I sort of take this back to like the Ritchie incognito thing, right, And I think we all have text groups where and I'm not saying we say stuff like what was said there, but we all have text groups of friends.

I don't incognito text group where we say, but everybody has like I think everybody has a text group or two that they would not like to go to with friends where it's almost a competition who could see say the least appropriate things to each other.

I don't incognito text group where we say, but everybody has like I think everybody has a text group or two that they would not like to go to with friends where it's almost a competition who could see say the least appropriate things to each other.

You know, Yes, this happens often in fantasy football drafts. I would say, there's a lot of things where I feel like growing up your trust with someone was built on things like that, Like I know that's never going to get out I know, saying that thing to that person even though it's highly inappropriate and I wouldn't say it to other people and that person knows I'm kidding, and it'll never see the light of day. And that's part of the trust you had with people. And I remember when the Richie incognito thing happened, Like there was all these text messages that came out and it was like it's sideswiped, like three other guys who are just in there in those text groups, you know what I mean, And like it was just it was like God, like this stuff can all become public now. Yeah, And you know you kind of think about it like if I had been of the age where there were cameras and bars, you know, like everyone had everyone literally has a camera in their pocket. Like that's terrifying of somebody in my generationally, that's terrifying, you know what I mean. Like, so what that's like now in an NFL building is crazy, you know. And I think like to some degree, that's why as the barriers to produce these things have come down and it's become easier and cheaper to produce these things as technology has improved, That's why I think more teams are like screw up, We'll do it ourselves, you know what I mean, Like we want to do things to let our fans in and we want to do things that are going to help us market and sell the players and the team and are good for everybody. But why wouldn't we just do it ourselves? And if you look like some of what the teams are doing.

You know, Yes, this happens often in fantasy football drafts. I would say, there's a lot of things where I feel like growing up your trust with someone was built on things like that, Like I know that's never going to get out I know, saying that thing to that person even though it's highly inappropriate and I wouldn't say it to other people and that person knows I'm kidding, and it'll never see the light of day. And that's part of the trust you had with people. And I remember when the Richie incognito thing happened, Like there was all these text messages that came out and it was like it's sideswiped, like three other guys who are just in there in those text groups, you know what I mean, And like it was just it was like God, like this stuff can all become public now. Yeah, And you know you kind of think about it like if I had been of the age where there were cameras and bars, you know, like everyone had everyone literally has a camera in their pocket. Like that's terrifying of somebody in my generationally, that's terrifying, you know what I mean. Like, so what that's like now in an NFL building is crazy, you know. And I think like to some degree, that's why as the barriers to produce these things have come down and it's become easier and cheaper to produce these things as technology has improved, That's why I think more teams are like screw up, We'll do it ourselves, you know what I mean, Like we want to do things to let our fans in and we want to do things that are going to help us market and sell the players and the team and are good for everybody. But why wouldn't we just do it ourselves? And if you look like some of what the teams are doing.

Now is really high quality just as good, you know, right, yeah, I mean.

Now is really high quality just as good, you know, right, yeah, I mean.

Like I think about like the Colts had a great did a great job with with their draft series, and they would show a lot of stuff like that was really insightful stuff that people like me and you really like to watch, but it didn't like go into the stuff that would like really affect the team in an adverse y way. You know. It's hard to do like a draft, and honest look at like an off season like the draft, free agency, whatever, without having those hard conversations as part of it. You know.

Like I think about like the Colts had a great did a great job with with their draft series, and they would show a lot of stuff like that was really insightful stuff that people like me and you really like to watch, but it didn't like go into the stuff that would like really affect the team in an adverse y way. You know. It's hard to do like a draft, and honest look at like an off season like the draft, free agency, whatever, without having those hard conversations as part of it. You know.

Well, my thing is like if you're gonna do it right, and this is what we could never do, but this is like my fever dream, right, if you're really gonna do it, if you're really gonna do off season hard knocks, if you're really gonna do training camp hard knocks, like you know, we have to get to the central issue here, which is is that in ninety percent of the places, the reason that things are messed up is because the owner sucks, you know what I mean, And like you know what I mean, like you can't have.

Well, my thing is like if you're gonna do it right, and this is what we could never do, but this is like my fever dream, right, if you're really gonna do it, if you're really gonna do off season hard knocks, if you're really gonna do training camp hard knocks, like you know, we have to get to the central issue here, which is is that in ninety percent of the places, the reason that things are messed up is because the owner sucks, you know what I mean, And like you know what I mean, like you can't have.

You know, and that's the one thing that's never gonna see the life.

You know, and that's the one thing that's never gonna see the life.

And that's the one thing that's going to see the light of to day. It's like, you know, okay, we'll have the war room camera where it's like, okay, we got to scramble our starting quarterbacks.

And that's the one thing that's going to see the light of to day. It's like, you know, okay, we'll have the war room camera where it's like, okay, we got to scramble our starting quarterbacks.

Stilly, that's who films answers to too, right, Like that's technically like that's where the buck stops.

Stilly, that's who films answers to too, right, Like that's technically like that's where the buck stops.

And to me, that like that is not the like if you spend time talking to people in the NFL about what really ails them, what is the problem? Hey, why didn't you guys have a really good backup quarterback last year? Why didn't you guys do this? Why didn't you guys do that? And it's always the point right upstairs, you know, like half the time that we're like, God, why can't this general manager get you just sign a wide receiver. It's not because he doesn't want to, you know what I mean? And so like I would just watch an hour of Hard Knocks if the if just of coaches and general manager just making fun of the owner and just being like this guy or girl is just a complete mess, complete train wreck. He's not opening up the purse strings like because that's all access.

And to me, that like that is not the like if you spend time talking to people in the NFL about what really ails them, what is the problem? Hey, why didn't you guys have a really good backup quarterback last year? Why didn't you guys do this? Why didn't you guys do that? And it's always the point right upstairs, you know, like half the time that we're like, God, why can't this general manager get you just sign a wide receiver. It's not because he doesn't want to, you know what I mean? And so like I would just watch an hour of Hard Knocks if the if just of coaches and general manager just making fun of the owner and just being like this guy or girl is just a complete mess, complete train wreck. He's not opening up the purse strings like because that's all access.

That to me, you know, I've had those conversations with some of these guys and they are like a lot of these guys are genuinely funny and would be like you would die laughing watching that, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, like if you could like follow these guys out in the golf course or.

That to me, you know, I've had those conversations with some of these guys and they are like a lot of these guys are genuinely funny and would be like you would die laughing watching that, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, like if you could like follow these guys out in the golf course or.

Something, and so it's like, it, don't tell me that this is all access when it's like this weird towing the line thing, and it's like, just really tell me what's going on.

Something, and so it's like, it, don't tell me that this is all access when it's like this weird towing the line thing, and it's like, just really tell me what's going on.

Yeah, I think it's easier during camp, like right, like because everything is mostly self contained where you aren't going to like go and bump into what another team's business is or some player that you didn't draft, you know, he's involved, Like it's it's it's just easier to contain it in a training camp setting, you know. And it's actually interesting talking to some of these people when I was reporting that story out too, because like some of the feedback I got was, well, yeah, we did the Hard Knock series and there were teams that would do joint practices with us because of it. Right now, like so like there are even complications with that, and that is a I mean, ninety eight percent of what happens in training camp is self contained within a single team and a lot easier to control. When you start involving players you didn't sign, players you didn't draft, teams that didn't sign up to be part of it, it becomes way more complicated.

Yeah, I think it's easier during camp, like right, like because everything is mostly self contained where you aren't going to like go and bump into what another team's business is or some player that you didn't draft, you know, he's involved, Like it's it's it's just easier to contain it in a training camp setting, you know. And it's actually interesting talking to some of these people when I was reporting that story out too, because like some of the feedback I got was, well, yeah, we did the Hard Knock series and there were teams that would do joint practices with us because of it. Right now, like so like there are even complications with that, and that is a I mean, ninety eight percent of what happens in training camp is self contained within a single team and a lot easier to control. When you start involving players you didn't sign, players you didn't draft, teams that didn't sign up to be part of it, it becomes way more complicated.

We're we're gonna move on because I'm getting hot.

We're we're gonna move on because I'm getting hot.

Yeah, I think we veered off into fifteen different directions. We did too, But thank you for promoting this story.

Yeah, I think we veered off into fifteen different directions. We did too, But thank you for promoting this story.

It was well done. So another one of the burning questions heading into training camp now is the kickoff rule. I've had some really interesting conversations about the kickoff rule. You spoke to Joe Judge Joseph Francis Judge per Wikipedia born December thirty first, nineteen eighty one. He's an American football coach guys who is currently serving as a senior analyst for the Old Miss Rebels, which I didn't know. Is that okay? With him, like he's a Mississippi State I.

It was well done. So another one of the burning questions heading into training camp now is the kickoff rule. I've had some really interesting conversations about the kickoff rule. You spoke to Joe Judge Joseph Francis Judge per Wikipedia born December thirty first, nineteen eighty one. He's an American football coach guys who is currently serving as a senior analyst for the Old Miss Rebels, which I didn't know. Is that okay? With him, like he's a Mississippi State I.

Know, I've actually had that conversation with him, and he said, yeah, it was a little weird.

Know, I've actually had that conversation with him, and he said, yeah, it was a little weird.

It's got to be eating them alive inside, right.

It's got to be eating them alive inside, right.

He's gotten some crap from some people that he that he went to college with.

He's gotten some crap from some people that he that he went to college with.

Oh, but I mean, Joe Judge cut his teeth on the special team side of the ball. He's a really talented special teams coach. What was his take on the new kickoff rule? Because you know, the more that I'm talking to some people, the more they're like, dude, it's not going to be what you think it is. Like, it's not going to be super exciting, super thrilling game breaking. You know, at least early on, guys are going to play it super conservative. But I'm curious, what does Joe Judge's take on this?

Oh, but I mean, Joe Judge cut his teeth on the special team side of the ball. He's a really talented special teams coach. What was his take on the new kickoff rule? Because you know, the more that I'm talking to some people, the more they're like, dude, it's not going to be what you think it is. Like, it's not going to be super exciting, super thrilling game breaking. You know, at least early on, guys are going to play it super conservative. But I'm curious, what does Joe Judge's take on this?

Yeah, I mean the feedback I've gotten is that, you know, like, I think there's gonna be a lot of experimentation in camp, and teams that have high reps in camp are going to be able to do a little bit more with it early on. One thing that was very clear coming back out of the spring was that just the rules in the spring make it almost impossible to simulate it, you know, like so you don't really get a great look at it in the spring because the way the rules set up, so that leaves you with a fine amount of time in the summer to really get a look at what it's going to look like, experiment with it, tinker with it, everything else. And you know, that's where like Joe said this, he thought like that the teams that have joint practices are going to be at a distinct advantage because you can really rep it there, you know, and you can do some things that because everything you do in a preseason games on tape, like so you're going to be able to do some stuff, some stuff with another team that isn't going to be on tape for the other thirty teams that aren't in that practice field. Right, So it'll be interesting to see if the teams that have had the joint practice experience over the summer have a little bit of an advantage early on with some of the stuff that they're doing. You know, his prediction was it's going to take five or six weeks to really shake out what it's going to look like and the strategy on it and everything else, and you know, the other thing we talked about, and I know this has been sort of a big story up like when we've been talking about the kickoff over the last few months, is do you put big stars back there like with the Dolphins, put Tyreek Hill back there? And not just from Joe but from a number of special teams coaches. The response I've gotten on that really is probably not right away yeah, you don't like yeah, because you don't know what the collisions are going to look like. You don't really you can guess, but you don't like have a real solid idea of how all of this is going to play out, how all this is going to look, what the injury situation is going to be, like, you know, with some of the unintended consequences are going to be And so for at least September, in October like it probably you probably won't see, you know, the Tyreek Kills of the world back there. Now, if the play proves to be markedly safer than the old play and you're seeing explosive returns, then maybe that flips and maybe you see teams in November and December, when the games become more important and there's more evidence out there maybe then you start to see that a little bit more. But even then, like I wonder Connor would it be like it is now anyway where it's just like I mean, you put a guy like that back there, maybe in a really important spot, and that's it, you know what I mean, like when you need when you need a spark or you're down or whatever. You know.

Yeah, I mean the feedback I've gotten is that, you know, like, I think there's gonna be a lot of experimentation in camp, and teams that have high reps in camp are going to be able to do a little bit more with it early on. One thing that was very clear coming back out of the spring was that just the rules in the spring make it almost impossible to simulate it, you know, like so you don't really get a great look at it in the spring because the way the rules set up, so that leaves you with a fine amount of time in the summer to really get a look at what it's going to look like, experiment with it, tinker with it, everything else. And you know, that's where like Joe said this, he thought like that the teams that have joint practices are going to be at a distinct advantage because you can really rep it there, you know, and you can do some things that because everything you do in a preseason games on tape, like so you're going to be able to do some stuff, some stuff with another team that isn't going to be on tape for the other thirty teams that aren't in that practice field. Right, So it'll be interesting to see if the teams that have had the joint practice experience over the summer have a little bit of an advantage early on with some of the stuff that they're doing. You know, his prediction was it's going to take five or six weeks to really shake out what it's going to look like and the strategy on it and everything else, and you know, the other thing we talked about, and I know this has been sort of a big story up like when we've been talking about the kickoff over the last few months, is do you put big stars back there like with the Dolphins, put Tyreek Hill back there? And not just from Joe but from a number of special teams coaches. The response I've gotten on that really is probably not right away yeah, you don't like yeah, because you don't know what the collisions are going to look like. You don't really you can guess, but you don't like have a real solid idea of how all of this is going to play out, how all this is going to look, what the injury situation is going to be, like, you know, with some of the unintended consequences are going to be And so for at least September, in October like it probably you probably won't see, you know, the Tyreek Kills of the world back there. Now, if the play proves to be markedly safer than the old play and you're seeing explosive returns, then maybe that flips and maybe you see teams in November and December, when the games become more important and there's more evidence out there maybe then you start to see that a little bit more. But even then, like I wonder Connor would it be like it is now anyway where it's just like I mean, you put a guy like that back there, maybe in a really important spot, and that's it, you know what I mean, like when you need when you need a spark or you're down or whatever. You know.

My question is though, right, I mean, because you're you're the penalty quote unquote for kicking the ball out of the back of the end zone, is I mean, it's it's the thirty yard line, the like, there really isn't a ton of downside to just blasting the ball out of the back of the end zone, right right, I mean, and you're avoiding an incrementally large possibility that these teams.

My question is though, right, I mean, because you're you're the penalty quote unquote for kicking the ball out of the back of the end zone, is I mean, it's it's the thirty yard line, the like, there really isn't a ton of downside to just blasting the ball out of the back of the end zone, right right, I mean, and you're avoiding an incrementally large possibility that these teams.

Can we have the point where every kicker can do that, like you like, on command, kick the ball out of the back of the end zone. Yeah, from the thirty five.

Can we have the point where every kicker can do that, like you like, on command, kick the ball out of the back of the end zone. Yeah, from the thirty five.

It's got I don't think everyone you don't think everyone can do it.

It's got I don't think everyone you don't think everyone can do it.

I think everybody can do it, Like, I don't know, can everybody do it? On command?

I think everybody can do it, Like, I don't know, can everybody do it? On command?

How far? Can how far you got? You got you got the ball on a tee at the fifty yard line. Where's that ball going? If you hit it?

How far? Can how far you got? You got you got the ball on a tee at the fifty yard line. Where's that ball going? If you hit it?

True kicking was never my struck. So if I get it twenty yards, I'm happy.

True kicking was never my struck. So if I get it twenty yards, I'm happy.

I think you think you get it down to the thirty in the air, in the air.

I think you think you get it down to the thirty in the air, in the air.

You're talking about in the on the fly right like not like a dribbler.

You're talking about in the on the fly right like not like a dribbler.

I'll give you the dribble with the roll, with the roll. Do you think you can get there?

I'll give you the dribble with the roll, with the roll. Do you think you can get there?

I've never kicked, I've never like, I never did that, So I don't know how about you.

I've never kicked, I've never like, I never did that, So I don't know how about you.

I think I think if you gave me like a good deflated old school Patriots football and you put it at the fifty yard line, I bet I could get down to the ten.

I think I think if you gave me like a good deflated old school Patriots football and you put it at the fifty yard line, I bet I could get down to the ten.

See did you ever kick competitively? Were you ever like the kicker for your team or anything like that? Or no? I was the.

See did you ever kick competitively? Were you ever like the kicker for your team or anything like that? Or no? I was the.

Abington Junior Commets a team extra point kicker.

Abington Junior Commets a team extra point kicker.

And I and I was nice.

And I and I was nice.

I was zero for four.

I was zero for four.

So that would have been like eighth grade, right like eighteen.

So that would have been like eighth grade, right like eighteen.

It's like seventh, seventh and eighth grade. Yeah, I had I had four four shots at it. I missed every single one. Okay, but I didn't kick off.

It's like seventh, seventh and eighth grade. Yeah, I had I had four four shots at it. I missed every single one. Okay, but I didn't kick off.

I just kicked extra But in eighth grade, like an extra points hard.

I just kicked extra But in eighth grade, like an extra points hard.

It is hard.

It is hard.

If I remember writing pop Warn, or if if I remember when I was a kid the rules and pop warn where you get one point for a two point conversion, you got two for for kicking the extra point. I might be wrong about that, but there was some quirk to the rule that like rewarded you for kicking it.

If I remember writing pop Warn, or if if I remember when I was a kid the rules and pop warn where you get one point for a two point conversion, you got two for for kicking the extra point. I might be wrong about that, but there was some quirk to the rule that like rewarded you for kicking it.

I think this is like, no, obviously no one cares about at one point, but like I think, like we were practicing alongside the varsity one day, like they did like a cool thing where the varsity guys came over and then like we were just screwing around. We didn't have a kicker, and then I kicked an extra point, a good extra point in practice, like over the varsity field field goal block team, and they're like, oh great, we got a kicker. And then I just I missed every single I was like Landry Clark and Friday night Lights, Like I couldn't hit a single extra point. But I think if I got from the fifty yard line a kickoff, now, I mean so I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying that this isn't going to be hard, but I think that a lot of teams are going to invest in these long bombers because if you don't, you know, the mechanism to return is so much better now. Obviously, I mean, the NFL wants to boost ratings, they want to boost points, they want to boot scoring, but you know, why would you give a team a chance to do that?