Okay, guys, weak Side Podcast back for the second episode. This week, we've got Jenny Brentiss. As always, we've got my future potential co host, my two year old daughter hanging out in the couch watching word Party. So hopefully everybody here loves a little word party, because that's gonna be a little ambient ambiance sound in the background. I think everybody likes a little word party. You watch word party, right, Jenny, definitely. I just said, tough Connor, it's happening. Today is the day when she sees is the co host role. She's been you know, creeping up on it. You've been hearing her footsteps for a while. It could happen today. So by the end of the show we might have a little lineup change, but we'll see what happens. So I think we can uh jump pretty much right into the news. I mean, you know, this is status quo kind of NFL stuff right now. I mean it's injuries, that's you know, new coaches, it's you know, talking about all the stuff that we would normally have dissected I think throughout the summer um, but are now just getting a chance to look at. So, uh, let's dive in with something that I'm really interested and I actually have a hot take on, so I will I will read the first news topic here, and that's New Giants head coach Joe Judges come under fire for his Belichick reminiscent tough guy routine, which includes removing player names from the back of their jerseys and running laps for mistakes. Um A couple of play former players came out and sort of banged Joe Judge for this, said it was ridiculous and they needed to be himself. Joe Judge says, it's it's it's to give every activity meaning and that that's important. But is he cooking a dish that players might not want to eat? Jenny, what's your what's your take on this? Well? I don't have a problem with coaches taking whatever tack they think is necessary. I think where it becomes a problem is when you try to emulate someone else's style. So if this is indeed Joe Judges style, then that's good. But if he's just trying to replicate the Belichick style, that's where we see the problems creep in. That's where we see it becomes a challenge to replicate the harsh coaching methods when you don't have the results to back it up. And that's a difficulty for any new coach coming in who is a former Belichick. Disciple is that they don't have six rings to use as proof for their new set of players. But I don't know. I mean, these things always seem to go one or two, one of two ways. And I think that the amount of chatter around this though, does raise some eyebrows. So I have two things. First of all, do you think that yes, I mean, this might be something that Belichick has done in the past, But could it be that Belichick also hired Joe Judge because Joe Judge was a similar kind of person as he was and agreed to you know, and and said like to hear my coaching philosophies, and this is what I like to do, you know. And what I think is interesting about this is, you know, running laps is fine. You know, I think that running laps is a legitimate thing. And and removing the names from the back of jerseys, I mean, whatever, if you're really trying to instill meaning, I think that there are a lot dumber things that coaches have done, a lot of greater lengths they've done to say, I'm the new sheriff in town, and this is how we're doing things. I think this is all relatively harmless. You know, you're setting an example, You're doing it in a throwback way. Um. I think it's all sort of fits into the culture that he said he's trying to create. So I don't know. I I for one, just don't have a problem with it. I think a lot of people are rolling their eyes and saying, Okay, here we go again. But um, to me, this doesn't whiff of like an immediate like Matt Patricia thing that is supposed to like perk our ears up and say, oh, this is a problem. I think this is kind of different, you know. And you know, I think that judge doing it for these reasons. You gotta earn your name on the back of the jersey whatever, whatever, it's different. I mean, it's it's something that we don't see. I know Belichick does the odd the bizarre numbers, but I think that's more to mess with us than anything thing else. So as we try to do a roster attendance, that it would be to like earn your number or something like that. So I don't know, I'm I'm fine with what Joe Judge is doing. I think it's okay, and I think it's like everybody's pouncing on him right away when I don't know, I just don't think that that's a pounceable offense personally. Yeah, well, I guess what I meant about the chatter being a concern is because there is the pouncing on it, and because it's being scrutinized, does it then kind of make things snowball a little better? Does it maybe exacerbate a problem that isn't there. That's where I think sometimes and then you have a players saying, well, this former player is saying it shouldn't be like this, etcetera, etcetera. But I think your take is an interesting one. Connor that maybe this was the style and that was why he was brought in. I also think this is a team that's endured a lot of coaching changes, and so I think it's good that Joe Judge is making like a strong impact that this is has been an organization that's been lost, right. They need a strong voice, they need a clear direction. Um, you know, I think you think a little bit back to Brian Flores in Miami, last year, and I think maybe some of his you know, early steps that he took last year and Dolphins can't maybe elicited some of the same eyebrow raising. But I think now everyone's pretty excited for the second year in Miami, so you know, I'm I'm interested to see how it unfolds. I would be shocked if Giants fans and the Giants front office in particular are at all concerned about this, because to me, this whiffs of exactly the sandwich they ordered, Like this is this is um. You know, if Tom Coughlin was Chipotle, this is Cadoba. It's very much the same thing. You know, it's very similar. And you know, they can get all high and mighty about their discipline and their toughness and their character and this all just like this is this is the kind of thing that Giants fans like to just you know, waftens mel all the time that they have better than everybody else and drove. So to me, it's like, why are we even raising this as an issue because the fans love this. I mean, this is right up their alley. The front office, I'm guessing, has to love this. When Joe Judge told them that he was taking the names off the back of the jerseys and making them run laps. I'm sure there was somebody fainting and saying, oh, take the job, Joe, Like, whatever you want, however much money you possibly want, to take the job, this is what we want. So I I really don't see the big deal here. I think that it's you know, not to quote Aaron Rodgers, but do we have a little bit of a seven news cycle problem in our business? Yes? And did that stand out for a day and that gave some people a little bit of you know, room to to pick at it. Yes, But I do not see this becoming an issue now. If they're owing six, uh, then you have the anonymous player popping off in the locker room and saying how ridiculous this was. And if you're six and oh, you have the Comfy feature story saying that this was the building block of the of the dream season, you know, right right. I also think it was clearly intentional to go after, say Kwan Barkley, that is your example of here you are, and you're basically say to sa Quan ahead of time, I'm going to make an example out of you. You're a star player. You know, you're a respected voice in the locker room, and so today you're going to have to show everybody that you can absorb my harsh criticism. This is what we did to Tom you know, New England exactly. But it's just, you know, everything follows a playbook. Yes, yeah, I mean there's a the first time that I'm truly blown away in the NFL, or the next time I'm truly blown away in the NFL will be the first time. You know, I thought of an idea for you, Connor. You know how you did the head coach who's struggling, Like they're like playbook that the steps that they go through. You should just do this for multiple situations and like trade market and be like Connor Ore's guide to you know, head coach on the hot seats, you had coach trying to win over his players. Gee, I'm trying to distance himself from problematic head coach. I mean, there's a lot of directions that you can go in and I think this would be a great regular feature for the football season when we might have limited access and might be a little more difficult, let's say to come up with interesting ideas. This is the year for it. Connor. I like that Jenny's just always giving me good, good ideas for content. Okay, so people can check the MMQB in the coming weeks, you know, see the fruits of this idea. You'll see how out of ideas I am based on how soon that this appears. Not that it's a bad idea, but just that I'm so out of ideas that I will take. I'm taking the first thing that well, you have to wait till the situation calls for it, though, I mean I can think of another one to like coach with struggling quarterback, you know, like what happened with Trabiski and the Bears last season. Like there's like you know, turning off the TVs and the team facility and then working with him on body language and then trying to build his confidence and then next year trying a different backup. You know, like lots of different right, I mean there's a lot of these. Yeah, these are good. I just love it that the weak Side Pod Jenny just takes care of me and writes basically my story. No, it's it's mutual mutual idea sharing. Um. All right, onto topic two. George Kittle signed a five year seventy five million dollar extension, bringing the average per year salary of the league's highest paid tight end to fifteen million per year. This is significant for multiple reasons. Discuss among yourselves. I think that this deal goes ahead and eliminates what was the best market inefficiency in football, which was the tight end position. Ah. Yes, that's my take, because now you're bringing the highest tight end salary to within seven million of the highest wide receiver salary UM, which before the highest tight end salary was I think Earth's at like nine and a half, and the highest wide receiver salary was twenty two. You know, so you have this gigantic gap between um wide receiver and tight end, and tight ends are basically doing all of the same things that wide receivers are doing now, creating the same mismatch problems. Plus they're blocking, and so it was one of those things that's like, holy crap, you're you're basically getting you know, half of a left tackle and all of the wide receiver for a fraction of the price. And I think the Ravens were one of those teams that figured that out super early. Yeah, I agree, there was Hunter Henry, He's got the ten point six million tag I think, and then um, you also had Austin Hooper in the ten million range, So it was definitely lower than the worth of the position, especially as you described, because that position is asked to do so many different things. It's really an undervalued position. Um. But this is a big step towards acting that uh and overdue. Like, I'm surprised that it took that long, Um. But yeah, I mean kidtle Ert, Kelsey, they're among the most exciting players to watch in the NFL at any position, not just like great tight ends, Like they're big factors on their teams, their game changing players, and they just happen to play the tight end position. Yeah. No, I think this is Um, it's a good I mean it's a good deal for Kiddle, good for him. I think it's still probably a half decent deal, um for the forty niners because you're locking him up. Now, if you're that first team to break the barrier, you're usually still saving a little bit of money because inevitably some of the better tight ends now we're gonna want to get into that upper echelon market and probably have the leverage to do so. So I think it's not a bad deal for the forty niners. And you know, the only thing it's really a bad deal for in general was you know, this is sort of like the Todd Gurley um contract with the Rams, except for the fact that it's going to stick that way, right, like the running back market, I think l back down into a little bit of a valley, whereas the tight end market I think is here to stay. This is an established number now that players are going to be able to ask for and get, and so maybe you won't see as many teams sort of loading up on the position because it's so cheap and so effective, although you know, rookie contracts are still as such when you're still getting a tremendous value out of those. Yeah, I thought Mike Silver from NFL Network had some really good reporting on how the deal came together, and he reported that Kittle's agent actually wanted a four year deal um, but agreed to accept the five year deal because there was more cash on the front end and more money guaranteed Silver rights. So that kind of gets to what you're saying. I mean, if you're if you're locking yourself in for five years, then um, you know Kittle is going to probably be underpaid at the end of that, but there were benefits of getting the money up front. Well, I guess that was actually opposite of what you were saying. You were saying that the market is not going to sag like the girl the running back market did for the Girly deal. But you know, it's all, uh, we're just talking about markets here, Connery. You know, bear market, bull market, We're really up on things. So and the way that Kittle plays, you know, I'm not saying that. I mean Kittle I think is doing not quite running back damage to his body, but is incurring probably something similar to that. So I think that, you know, if you're that physical of a player and you're playing that physical of a position, um, I think it's good. It's good to cash in, and especially if you're able to elevate the market as much as you did there. I think that's when when and you know, maybe that fifth year doesn't end up really making that much of a difference from the long run. Yeah. Yeah, And I think someone one of the forty Niners reporters pointed out that like Kittle was like the photo in the room where negotiations were taking place, So it's like, you know, you have a lot of leverage if you're a guy that's posted on the wall, and like, you know, like you gotta be happy for the guy. Like fifth round pick, he comes in, he makes a huge impact, um, I mean, a great find for the team in the fifth round. Um to become the kind of player that he is, and then he gets this big contract extension that resets the market. So I mean, it's it's kind of your ideal situation for both player and team, no doubt. Absolutely, all right, what do we have for a topic number three here? Okay, the Baltimore Ravens, clearly thirsting for the least destructive veteran wide receiver available on the open market, hosted Dez Bryant for a workout earlier this week. Uh, Jenny, does this interest you at all? Or is it simply just a little nostalgia hit amid the training camp Venutia. As long as it's not Antonio Brown, I don't really care. I mean, I agree, there were serious concerns that we've talked about in the past. Over there, Lamar Jackson saying that he would like to have Brown. Obviously, Brown is the cousin of Marquise Brown. And so there's a tie there, But yes, we are very troubled by that kind of being casually floated without getting into the backstory. Uh does Bryant reporting, I thought really reflected how desperate people are for just for like not desperate in a bad way, but just hung green people are for like the little details and like the normal rhythm, because there was some reporting that like he was picked up in a white range Rover or something from the airport, and I was like, people just really want like to like feel like this is a normal training camp and like we can like be discussing like these, like you know, bed all funny little details in the middle of a global pandemic um. So, you know, I don't know what to expect there. I mean, I think the fact that they brought him in for a workout makes sense just to kind of see, But I don't know that it's going to end up being anything. No, I don't think, you know, And it's funny. I mean, this has been like we've talked about more Dez Bryant visits than we've talked at length about more Dez Bryant visits than we've talked about Dez Bryant games played since he left the Cowboys, and again he had the injury with the Saints. Um when he signed with them. Remember, there was a big to do on hard knocks when he came through the Brown's facility and visited with the team there. Uh, and then the Saints and then the Ravens. Now, I mean, I guess it all depends on what kind of shape he's in. You know, this is not one of those things where you know, this is not even Garry Rice signing with the Raiders, where you know you're going to get a little bit more production or you know, or something like that towards the back end of their career. But it might be serviceable. I mean, it's it's clearly telegraphing, you know, based on their interest in both Antonio Brown and Does Bryant, that they feel that they do still have a need at the position. Which I think is always more interesting to me is that they've kind of gotten in, They've gotten to evaluate everything, and now they say, okay, this is this is where we need some help. Yeah. I mean, hasn't played in a game since two seventeen, But it is kind of wild to think that when his Cowboys tenure ended and it was kind of a bad ending. I mean, there was a lot of he posted a lot on Twitter, and he made some public comments, and it was clear that it was a bitter split, right, Um, that we wouldn't see him again. I mean, as you mentioned the injury in New Orleans, but uh, it's still crazy that that's the last time we've seen him in a game. Yeah. No, it's great and just like one of arguably one of the most dominant receivers of the era. You know, a guy that really changed, um, the trajectory. That team in Dallas made a majority of Tony Romo's career um at for for making plays. So who knows. I mean, I think it's always interesting to me to see the like what sort of value teams placed on guys like this, and who knows, maybe he pops back into uh, pops back into Baltimore and has a decent career. I mean, I don't know. I'm all for a little bit of of you know, what would you call it, um, what we said, nostalgia, But it's not really nostalgia. It's like, I'm a big fan of aging players coming back and doing doing big things. Like when I filled in, I was like a like a third person on the Yankees beat for a little while when I was an intern, and like that summer, um they signed like for the playoff push they signed like Carrie Wood and um Lance Berkman and like all these like guys who are like really good. When I was in and like that was neat. So this is kind of a fun thing, I guess, you know. Yeah, I think there's something that everyone can relate to, like being told your past your prime or it's over, and then researching. I think like all of us have some level of connection to that storyline. I mean, it's not performing on an athletic stage from the most of us, but you know, as you get older, you feel like you age out of things and that's kind of sad. So yeah, you can always root for a comeback. We're reminded on Twitter every day that we're past our prime, Jenny, that's right, that's right. Yeah, or maybe we never really had a prime alright. News topic number four, The Washington football team hired former NFL player and McKinsey executive Jason Right to be the team's president. Right is the first black team president in NFL history. Following moves to diversify both their front office and broadcast booth. Does it feel like Washington is crawling in the right direction? I use the word crawling because you know that none of this would have happened had they not um been exposed the way. Yes, No, it's voluntary essentially. Are they're being they're being pushed, They're making the right moves for the wrong reasons, as it's been the last few months. Right, And but but then here's my thing, is like it's almost something to root for because then it shows teams like, look, this is good. You know, it's good to have a you know, a female UM perspective in the broadcast booth. There are so many like so so so so so many great female play by play UM broadcasters that are not getting looks. And you know, it's basically Washington and Oakland at Beth Mowins is over in Oakland UM and has done a great job for years. And it's you know, I went to UH. We we both went through school where our school we saw the communications track and how white male that was, but that we certainly worked with hyper talented females that were just driven into other parts of the business inevitably and I'm sure the same thing can be said for UM former African American players who maybe they were steered into UM scouting or player development or you know, one of these other roles instead of hey, front office, team president, like put your stamp on this thing, and you know this is a role that you actually have a seat at the table and can make a big difference. So in a way, I'm rooting for them because I want other teams to see that, hey, this is good. You know these things will benefit your organization and make your team better. I loved his answer to the question. Emmanuel Acho asked Jason Wright, what would you say to those who think you got the job just because you're black? And he had the best answer to this question I have ever heard. He's like, then I would tell anyone who else who is I'm paraphrasing, but he essentially said, who's played seven years in the NFL, who got an MBA at a top five program, him, who became a top executive McKinsey, If there's anyone else with those credentials, and I got the job because I'm black, I'm sorry. It was just such a great answer because it was it was confidently stating his qualifications being essentially saying like, I'm qualified for this role regardless, I'm more qualified than almost any other candidate you could think of, um, and addressing those comments that will certainly come so unfortunately. I mean, of course, like this is always part of the conversation, like, well, okay, if he was the best candidate, then it's okay to hire a black person. Well guess what, he was the best candidate, Like, he's a person who's been in the mix for these positions for a long time. Um. He talked about I know Kevin Warren, who at his role at the Vikings before becoming Big ten commissioner, was essentially doing the job of a team president without the title. So there have been a lot of qualified candidates ahead of him that never quite got that title of team president. But just like a slam Dunck hire for a lot of reasons, Yeah, I think so, And you know, say what you will. I mean, but that McKenzie track um has its fingerprints all over professional baseball, professional basketball. Um, you know, that seems to be a well of teams to hire from. And so again, I mean it's you know, hopefully people look at the entire scope of the higher here and hopefully Washington does build something interesting because I feel like even though it's like we said, they're begrudgingly being pushed in a certain direction, at least it's the right direction. And so you know, how does a team president can he get a stamp on you know, maybe how they push their personnel direction, personnel um apartment moving forward, their coaching staff? You know, can he be a pipeline um for other maybe uh marginalized voices in the in the building and outside the building. So I don't know, I'm hoping it all goes well. And it's you know a reminder of just how lacking hiring has been in the NFL, in the league where sevent of players are black, that the first team president comes in the what are we in the hundred first year of the league. So I mean, that is a jarring reminder. But like it's important to keep saying first black president, not saying like this is his achievement or accomplishment, although it is, but just reminding you two of the fact that like there were failings before that led to this point. So no doubt. All right, do you want to read topic five, Connor, Let's do it. Um Melvin Ingram is quote unquote holding in while expressing unhappiness over his current deal after the Chargers made Joey Bosa the highest paid defensive player in football. Is it fair for Ingram to assume he's owed a little bit of a service fee for drawing away Some of those defenders think that it's fair. I don't think Joey Bosa would be as dominant of a player as he is without Melvin Ingram. Melvin Ingram is in important veteran voice in that locker room. Anthony Lynn was talking him up during the Hard Knocks conference call as one of those guys that people are going to look to for energy and guidance, and so you need to pay him. You have to take care of it. Yeah. I agree. It's an interesting situation because they have these two premier edge rushers. Many teams are just looking for one top end edge rusher and they have too. And I think you can't underestimate how much that helps when they can play off of each other, and that I think it's difficult to talk about either's production without acknowledging the other because they are intertwined. Um and I like that Joey Bosa supported him. He said, Uh, we've talked a little bit, and all I have to say is I'm going to support him. Um, he has to take care of himself. He would love to play with us, he wants to be out there, but he's got to handle business. So I think that was a great comment from Bosa, and I think that's an acknowledgement of the fact that, yeah, like they do work off each other, and um, they're intertwined, and you know, it makes sense that PC's basically got this extension. He's in the final year of his contract and wants a little bump. Yeah. I mean this is one of those um things. I mean, I think it's a good move to buy um Ingram because this is a huge season for the Chargers. I think I mean, you know, regardless of what they're able to do fan wise in the new stadium, I mean, this is a roster that's sort of built to win now, and I think after this season really starts to slowly come apart. I mean, you have some really key pieces on both sides of the ball. They're going to start showing some age, and so this is a good time, I think to strike while the iron's hot and say, yeah, you guys need to need to take care of this now. Yeah, and I think it makes sense for him to put the pressure on now. Now we obviously saw last season, last preseason Melvin Gordon's holdout didn't quite work as planned. Um, So we'll see where this one leads. But I agree with everything you said. It feels like this is a team that you know wants to be a go to when this season. I mean like a routine does, of course, but just the way that they're constructed, I think that's a spot on Connor, no doubt. Um. All right, So we're to the final segment here, which um, you know involves a prediction on my part, a consensus on your part, and I think that, uh, for my prediction. This week, we're going to talk a little bit about the next so we um, they go through these waves right of training camp where we get, um are hyper focused on one thing based off of the practice performance. You know, um, whether it's a rookie who does like a leaping catch or does something like super exciting. And I think that the DeAndre Hopkins swoon is going to be in full bloom coming up here, like he's starting to practice with the team today. Or recording this on Wednesday at about one o'clock in the afternoon. So I think this will be the week of Hopkins. It will be how effortlessly him and Kyler Murray are connecting, how powerful this Cardinals offense is going to look. I think we're in full uh, we're in full anticipation of a big time DeAndre Hopkins one. Here, were you going to say? Full bloom love, full balloom love thee yes? Yes? What do you think? Am I far off? No? I love that. I think that's a really good prediction because there's always a player that's changed teams and like some kind of backstory right that, Like people are high on the Cardinals anyway, and there's a lot of anticipation for what's going to happen this season, and I think Hopkins just kind of adds to that. So I think that's good. Connor, I'm I guess this is one that we've got a track in the I mean the coming days. Like your prediction could come true before this podcast even posts. I like that one. That's a that's a good week, just an easy and out you know, yes, yes, what do we got for your for your consensus this week? Okay? So right before we started recording, I was alerted to a string of tweets from Green Bay where the local press corps who does an excellent job? Rob Dmowsky has tweeted a statement from the Green Bay pfw A that's a Pro Football Writers Association, breaking a longstanding tradition of the publicly owned Packers. Coach Matt Lafleur and GM Brian Goodkins are prohibiting media a training camp from reporting who is getting reps with the first team, second team, third team, etcetera, and for making projections on the depth chart and personnel packages, which is a rite of passage of training camp Conner person roster projections what media and Green Bay has never revealed scheme, special packages or strategy as part of previously established ground roles in conjunction with the p f w A. And then I loved the follow up tweet from Tom Silverstein, who wrote, grass is green at practice and there are some players on it. I am not allowed to tell you where they are standing. However, I just wanna stand up for our colleagues in Green Bay. I think this kind of it's just so frustrating part of the NFL. We are not dealing with national security issues here. The Packers are a publicly owned team, so if you are a public plick or a few member of the public who owns a share in the Packers, you should go and say, hey, I demand a live feed or something. I mean, obviously teams can set their criteria UM that is unfortunately part of the agreement this year, and that you know, these are technically private practices, so the teams can set their own restrictions for practices that are not UM broadcast via a live feed or something of the sorts. But we talked the other day about you know, kind of the jets accommodating things when the team had to move indoors, and I just think it would be a shame if people, coaches, teams, gms used the pandemic as an excuse to restrict access. Right, this is already going to be a year where access is more difficult if it's not for safety reasons, and if you would normally have practice open and you would be able to be reporting who is working with the first team, which is a normal part of training camp, then you should do your best to meet those same guidelines this year. This to me is just one of those things where a team is exerting control for absolutely no reason, and I think it's annoying and it's frustrating because you know, for example, you know, uh, you know, I think it was Aaron Naigler posted that, you know, there were fans flying in to watch pactors packers practice from underneath the slat in the tarp um, And what's to prevent them from, uh, you know, misreporting or you know, saying that somebody's in the wrong place, or you know that somebody got hurt that they didn't or you know, people are still there at practice and can provide untrue or misleading information. I'm not saying that those two uh fans are going to provide misleading information in particular, but like people can still see practice in various places to a degree, and like, why wouldn't you want this effort streamlined to put out accurate information? Like no coach in the history of the NFL has ever told me that he gleaned some sort of hot information from my daily Giants training camp practice reports, which were robust by the way. I mean, you did a great job with your daily reports, so it's possible somebody could have gleaned information. But you know, I mean, this is how absurd is it to say that this is this was the start, this is the team's offensive line going into day day one? Like, is somebody going to show up Week one and blown away by your running back usage? Like, I mean, you're still going to have that same element as surprise, regardless of what we um, what we say. I mean, you know, I just think that it's doing the fans of disservice. It's doing everybody a disservice that loves their football team, and during this crazy time with just like a little bit of interesting tidbit information. Yeah, And I think that people who have covered the NFL for a long time or even a shorter period of time, many people on the Green Bay beat have been there for a long time. Their veterans of the beat, and as Rob wrote in the statement from the local pfw A chapter know they've never revealed scheme, special packages, or strategy as part of previously existing rules. I think most reporters have an understanding of like where the line is, and those are things you don't reveal, but basic stuff about who's working with who, um, and you know, guessing the depth chart and the you know, I just feel like those are things that that's just unnecessary, and that stuff that would normally be on public display during this kind of year, so essentially or during a regular kind of year. So you're essentially using these circumstances to restrict the media further. And I think my fear connor is that things don't revert to normal, right. My fear would be that teams would use whatever restrictive procedures are in place this year. And I hope that's not the case. I hope everyone understands we're in a tough situation. Media is just trying to do their jobs. Obviously, teams want to be safe. I think everybody respects that. But I just hope this doesn't become something that like ends up being a turn that like per invently marginalizes media and makes it more difficult for media who are just there to do their jobs. So dumb. I remember doing god how many versions of the fifties guests the fifty three man roster post. Yeah, and that that inherent in that is the depth chart. Because you're projecting the roster, you have to know how players rank at every position. Ridiculous bad job, bad job by bad job by the packers bad job by the packers. Yeah, so that's the consensus today. I think that's an easy one to get behind, no doubt, I hope. So. Well, the good news is we made it through the show and you have not been replaced by your daughter. So big round of applause for baby girl or here uh quietly eating her goldfish and watching word Party instead of crashing the podcast. But she was more than welcome to do. But yeah, I mean, as we said, you know, she's always welcome and has a future in store here on the pod. It's just a matter of time. But ignoring me would would lead me to believe that she thinks she's so confident effects she could do a better job that she's not even paying me any attention. So she's letting us hang on to Connor for a little while longer, which we all enjoy. Well, thanks everyone for joining again this week. We'll be back next week with more on the week's sidepod. This podcast is me, Jenny Brentis and Connor Or. We are produced by Shelby Royston Sis. 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Okay, guys, weak Side Podcast back for the second episode. This week, we've got Jenny Brentiss. As always, we've got my future potential co host, my two year old daughter hanging out in the couch watching word Party. So hopefully everybody here loves a little word party, because that's gonna be a little ambient ambiance sound in the background. I think everybody likes a little word party. You watch word party, right, Jenny, definitely. I just said, tough Connor, it's happening. Today is the day when she sees is the co host role. She's been you know, creeping up on it. You've been hearing her footsteps for a while. It could happen today. So by the end of the show we might have a little lineup change, but we'll see what happens. So I think we can uh jump pretty much right into the news. I mean, you know, this is status quo kind of NFL stuff right now. I mean it's injuries, that's you know, new coaches, it's you know, talking about all the stuff that we would normally have dissected I think throughout the summer um, but are now just getting a chance to look at. So, uh, let's dive in with something that I'm really interested and I actually have a hot take on, so I will I will read the first news topic here, and that's New Giants head coach Joe Judges come under fire for his Belichick reminiscent tough guy routine, which includes removing player names from the back of their jerseys and running laps for mistakes. Um A couple of play former players came out and sort of banged Joe Judge for this, said it was ridiculous and they needed to be himself. Joe Judge says, it's it's it's to give every activity meaning and that that's important. But is he cooking a dish that players might not want to eat? Jenny, what's your what's your take on this? Well? I don't have a problem with coaches taking whatever tack they think is necessary. I think where it becomes a problem is when you try to emulate someone else's style. So if this is indeed Joe Judges style, then that's good. But if he's just trying to replicate the Belichick style, that's where we see the problems creep in. That's where we see it becomes a challenge to replicate the harsh coaching methods when you don't have the results to back it up. And that's a difficulty for any new coach coming in who is a former Belichick. Disciple is that they don't have six rings to use as proof for their new set of players. But I don't know. I mean, these things always seem to go one or two, one of two ways. And I think that the amount of chatter around this though, does raise some eyebrows. So I have two things. First of all, do you think that yes, I mean, this might be something that Belichick has done in the past, But could it be that Belichick also hired Joe Judge because Joe Judge was a similar kind of person as he was and agreed to you know, and and said like to hear my coaching philosophies, and this is what I like to do, you know. And what I think is interesting about this is, you know, running laps is fine. You know, I think that running laps is a legitimate thing. And and removing the names from the back of jerseys, I mean, whatever, if you're really trying to instill meaning, I think that there are a lot dumber things that coaches have done, a lot of greater lengths they've done to say, I'm the new sheriff in town, and this is how we're doing things. I think this is all relatively harmless. You know, you're setting an example, You're doing it in a throwback way. Um. I think it's all sort of fits into the culture that he said he's trying to create. So I don't know. I I for one, just don't have a problem with it. I think a lot of people are rolling their eyes and saying, Okay, here we go again. But um, to me, this doesn't whiff of like an immediate like Matt Patricia thing that is supposed to like perk our ears up and say, oh, this is a problem. I think this is kind of different, you know. And you know, I think that judge doing it for these reasons. You gotta earn your name on the back of the jersey whatever, whatever, it's different. I mean, it's it's something that we don't see. I know Belichick does the odd the bizarre numbers, but I think that's more to mess with us than anything thing else. So as we try to do a roster attendance, that it would be to like earn your number or something like that. So I don't know, I'm I'm fine with what Joe Judge is doing. I think it's okay, and I think it's like everybody's pouncing on him right away when I don't know, I just don't think that that's a pounceable offense personally. Yeah, well, I guess what I meant about the chatter being a concern is because there is the pouncing on it, and because it's being scrutinized, does it then kind of make things snowball a little better? Does it maybe exacerbate a problem that isn't there. That's where I think sometimes and then you have a players saying, well, this former player is saying it shouldn't be like this, etcetera, etcetera. But I think your take is an interesting one. Connor that maybe this was the style and that was why he was brought in. I also think this is a team that's endured a lot of coaching changes, and so I think it's good that Joe Judge is making like a strong impact that this is has been an organization that's been lost, right. They need a strong voice, they need a clear direction. Um, you know, I think you think a little bit back to Brian Flores in Miami, last year, and I think maybe some of his you know, early steps that he took last year and Dolphins can't maybe elicited some of the same eyebrow raising. But I think now everyone's pretty excited for the second year in Miami, so you know, I'm I'm interested to see how it unfolds. I would be shocked if Giants fans and the Giants front office in particular are at all concerned about this, because to me, this whiffs of exactly the sandwich they ordered, Like this is this is um. You know, if Tom Coughlin was Chipotle, this is Cadoba. It's very much the same thing. You know, it's very similar. And you know, they can get all high and mighty about their discipline and their toughness and their character and this all just like this is this is the kind of thing that Giants fans like to just you know, waftens mel all the time that they have better than everybody else and drove. So to me, it's like, why are we even raising this as an issue because the fans love this. I mean, this is right up their alley. The front office, I'm guessing, has to love this. When Joe Judge told them that he was taking the names off the back of the jerseys and making them run laps. I'm sure there was somebody fainting and saying, oh, take the job, Joe, Like, whatever you want, however much money you possibly want, to take the job, this is what we want. So I I really don't see the big deal here. I think that it's you know, not to quote Aaron Rodgers, but do we have a little bit of a seven news cycle problem in our business? Yes? And did that stand out for a day and that gave some people a little bit of you know, room to to pick at it. Yes, But I do not see this becoming an issue now. If they're owing six, uh, then you have the anonymous player popping off in the locker room and saying how ridiculous this was. And if you're six and oh, you have the Comfy feature story saying that this was the building block of the of the dream season, you know, right right. I also think it was clearly intentional to go after, say Kwan Barkley, that is your example of here you are, and you're basically say to sa Quan ahead of time, I'm going to make an example out of you. You're a star player. You know, you're a respected voice in the locker room, and so today you're going to have to show everybody that you can absorb my harsh criticism. This is what we did to Tom you know, New England exactly. But it's just, you know, everything follows a playbook. Yes, yeah, I mean there's a the first time that I'm truly blown away in the NFL, or the next time I'm truly blown away in the NFL will be the first time. You know, I thought of an idea for you, Connor. You know how you did the head coach who's struggling, Like they're like playbook that the steps that they go through. You should just do this for multiple situations and like trade market and be like Connor Ore's guide to you know, head coach on the hot seats, you had coach trying to win over his players. Gee, I'm trying to distance himself from problematic head coach. I mean, there's a lot of directions that you can go in and I think this would be a great regular feature for the football season when we might have limited access and might be a little more difficult, let's say to come up with interesting ideas. This is the year for it. Connor. I like that Jenny's just always giving me good, good ideas for content. Okay, so people can check the MMQB in the coming weeks, you know, see the fruits of this idea. You'll see how out of ideas I am based on how soon that this appears. Not that it's a bad idea, but just that I'm so out of ideas that I will take. I'm taking the first thing that well, you have to wait till the situation calls for it, though, I mean I can think of another one to like coach with struggling quarterback, you know, like what happened with Trabiski and the Bears last season. Like there's like you know, turning off the TVs and the team facility and then working with him on body language and then trying to build his confidence and then next year trying a different backup. You know, like lots of different right, I mean there's a lot of these. Yeah, these are good. I just love it that the weak Side Pod Jenny just takes care of me and writes basically my story. No, it's it's mutual mutual idea sharing. Um. All right, onto topic two. George Kittle signed a five year seventy five million dollar extension, bringing the average per year salary of the league's highest paid tight end to fifteen million per year. This is significant for multiple reasons. Discuss among yourselves. I think that this deal goes ahead and eliminates what was the best market inefficiency in football, which was the tight end position. Ah. Yes, that's my take, because now you're bringing the highest tight end salary to within seven million of the highest wide receiver salary UM, which before the highest tight end salary was I think Earth's at like nine and a half, and the highest wide receiver salary was twenty two. You know, so you have this gigantic gap between um wide receiver and tight end, and tight ends are basically doing all of the same things that wide receivers are doing now, creating the same mismatch problems. Plus they're blocking, and so it was one of those things that's like, holy crap, you're you're basically getting you know, half of a left tackle and all of the wide receiver for a fraction of the price. And I think the Ravens were one of those teams that figured that out super early. Yeah, I agree, there was Hunter Henry, He's got the ten point six million tag I think, and then um, you also had Austin Hooper in the ten million range, So it was definitely lower than the worth of the position, especially as you described, because that position is asked to do so many different things. It's really an undervalued position. Um. But this is a big step towards acting that uh and overdue. Like, I'm surprised that it took that long, Um. But yeah, I mean kidtle Ert, Kelsey, they're among the most exciting players to watch in the NFL at any position, not just like great tight ends, Like they're big factors on their teams, their game changing players, and they just happen to play the tight end position. Yeah. No, I think this is Um, it's a good I mean it's a good deal for Kiddle, good for him. I think it's still probably a half decent deal, um for the forty niners because you're locking him up. Now, if you're that first team to break the barrier, you're usually still saving a little bit of money because inevitably some of the better tight ends now we're gonna want to get into that upper echelon market and probably have the leverage to do so. So I think it's not a bad deal for the forty niners. And you know, the only thing it's really a bad deal for in general was you know, this is sort of like the Todd Gurley um contract with the Rams, except for the fact that it's going to stick that way, right, like the running back market, I think l back down into a little bit of a valley, whereas the tight end market I think is here to stay. This is an established number now that players are going to be able to ask for and get, and so maybe you won't see as many teams sort of loading up on the position because it's so cheap and so effective, although you know, rookie contracts are still as such when you're still getting a tremendous value out of those. Yeah, I thought Mike Silver from NFL Network had some really good reporting on how the deal came together, and he reported that Kittle's agent actually wanted a four year deal um, but agreed to accept the five year deal because there was more cash on the front end and more money guaranteed Silver rights. So that kind of gets to what you're saying. I mean, if you're if you're locking yourself in for five years, then um, you know Kittle is going to probably be underpaid at the end of that, but there were benefits of getting the money up front. Well, I guess that was actually opposite of what you were saying. You were saying that the market is not going to sag like the girl the running back market did for the Girly deal. But you know, it's all, uh, we're just talking about markets here, Connery. You know, bear market, bull market, We're really up on things. So and the way that Kittle plays, you know, I'm not saying that. I mean Kittle I think is doing not quite running back damage to his body, but is incurring probably something similar to that. So I think that, you know, if you're that physical of a player and you're playing that physical of a position, um, I think it's good. It's good to cash in, and especially if you're able to elevate the market as much as you did there. I think that's when when and you know, maybe that fifth year doesn't end up really making that much of a difference from the long run. Yeah. Yeah, And I think someone one of the forty Niners reporters pointed out that like Kittle was like the photo in the room where negotiations were taking place, So it's like, you know, you have a lot of leverage if you're a guy that's posted on the wall, and like, you know, like you gotta be happy for the guy. Like fifth round pick, he comes in, he makes a huge impact, um, I mean, a great find for the team in the fifth round. Um to become the kind of player that he is, and then he gets this big contract extension that resets the market. So I mean, it's it's kind of your ideal situation for both player and team, no doubt. Absolutely, all right, what do we have for a topic number three here? Okay, the Baltimore Ravens, clearly thirsting for the least destructive veteran wide receiver available on the open market, hosted Dez Bryant for a workout earlier this week. Uh, Jenny, does this interest you at all? Or is it simply just a little nostalgia hit amid the training camp Venutia. As long as it's not Antonio Brown, I don't really care. I mean, I agree, there were serious concerns that we've talked about in the past. Over there, Lamar Jackson saying that he would like to have Brown. Obviously, Brown is the cousin of Marquise Brown. And so there's a tie there, But yes, we are very troubled by that kind of being casually floated without getting into the backstory. Uh does Bryant reporting, I thought really reflected how desperate people are for just for like not desperate in a bad way, but just hung green people are for like the little details and like the normal rhythm, because there was some reporting that like he was picked up in a white range Rover or something from the airport, and I was like, people just really want like to like feel like this is a normal training camp and like we can like be discussing like these, like you know, bed all funny little details in the middle of a global pandemic um. So, you know, I don't know what to expect there. I mean, I think the fact that they brought him in for a workout makes sense just to kind of see, But I don't know that it's going to end up being anything. No, I don't think, you know, And it's funny. I mean, this has been like we've talked about more Dez Bryant visits than we've talked at length about more Dez Bryant visits than we've talked about Dez Bryant games played since he left the Cowboys, and again he had the injury with the Saints. Um when he signed with them. Remember, there was a big to do on hard knocks when he came through the Brown's facility and visited with the team there. Uh, and then the Saints and then the Ravens. Now, I mean, I guess it all depends on what kind of shape he's in. You know, this is not one of those things where you know, this is not even Garry Rice signing with the Raiders, where you know you're going to get a little bit more production or you know, or something like that towards the back end of their career. But it might be serviceable. I mean, it's it's clearly telegraphing, you know, based on their interest in both Antonio Brown and Does Bryant, that they feel that they do still have a need at the position. Which I think is always more interesting to me is that they've kind of gotten in, They've gotten to evaluate everything, and now they say, okay, this is this is where we need some help. Yeah. I mean, hasn't played in a game since two seventeen, But it is kind of wild to think that when his Cowboys tenure ended and it was kind of a bad ending. I mean, there was a lot of he posted a lot on Twitter, and he made some public comments, and it was clear that it was a bitter split, right, Um, that we wouldn't see him again. I mean, as you mentioned the injury in New Orleans, but uh, it's still crazy that that's the last time we've seen him in a game. Yeah. No, it's great and just like one of arguably one of the most dominant receivers of the era. You know, a guy that really changed, um, the trajectory. That team in Dallas made a majority of Tony Romo's career um at for for making plays. So who knows. I mean, I think it's always interesting to me to see the like what sort of value teams placed on guys like this, and who knows, maybe he pops back into uh, pops back into Baltimore and has a decent career. I mean, I don't know. I'm all for a little bit of of you know, what would you call it, um, what we said, nostalgia, But it's not really nostalgia. It's like, I'm a big fan of aging players coming back and doing doing big things. Like when I filled in, I was like a like a third person on the Yankees beat for a little while when I was an intern, and like that summer, um they signed like for the playoff push they signed like Carrie Wood and um Lance Berkman and like all these like guys who are like really good. When I was in and like that was neat. So this is kind of a fun thing, I guess, you know. Yeah, I think there's something that everyone can relate to, like being told your past your prime or it's over, and then researching. I think like all of us have some level of connection to that storyline. I mean, it's not performing on an athletic stage from the most of us, but you know, as you get older, you feel like you age out of things and that's kind of sad. So yeah, you can always root for a comeback. We're reminded on Twitter every day that we're past our prime, Jenny, that's right, that's right. Yeah, or maybe we never really had a prime alright. News topic number four, The Washington football team hired former NFL player and McKinsey executive Jason Right to be the team's president. Right is the first black team president in NFL history. Following moves to diversify both their front office and broadcast booth. Does it feel like Washington is crawling in the right direction? I use the word crawling because you know that none of this would have happened had they not um been exposed the way. Yes, No, it's voluntary essentially. Are they're being they're being pushed, They're making the right moves for the wrong reasons, as it's been the last few months. Right, And but but then here's my thing, is like it's almost something to root for because then it shows teams like, look, this is good. You know, it's good to have a you know, a female UM perspective in the broadcast booth. There are so many like so so so so so many great female play by play UM broadcasters that are not getting looks. And you know, it's basically Washington and Oakland at Beth Mowins is over in Oakland UM and has done a great job for years. And it's you know, I went to UH. We we both went through school where our school we saw the communications track and how white male that was, but that we certainly worked with hyper talented females that were just driven into other parts of the business inevitably and I'm sure the same thing can be said for UM former African American players who maybe they were steered into UM scouting or player development or you know, one of these other roles instead of hey, front office, team president, like put your stamp on this thing, and you know this is a role that you actually have a seat at the table and can make a big difference. So in a way, I'm rooting for them because I want other teams to see that, hey, this is good. You know these things will benefit your organization and make your team better. I loved his answer to the question. Emmanuel Acho asked Jason Wright, what would you say to those who think you got the job just because you're black? And he had the best answer to this question I have ever heard. He's like, then I would tell anyone who else who is I'm paraphrasing, but he essentially said, who's played seven years in the NFL, who got an MBA at a top five program, him, who became a top executive McKinsey, If there's anyone else with those credentials, and I got the job because I'm black, I'm sorry. It was just such a great answer because it was it was confidently stating his qualifications being essentially saying like, I'm qualified for this role regardless, I'm more qualified than almost any other candidate you could think of, um, and addressing those comments that will certainly come so unfortunately. I mean, of course, like this is always part of the conversation, like, well, okay, if he was the best candidate, then it's okay to hire a black person. Well guess what, he was the best candidate, Like, he's a person who's been in the mix for these positions for a long time. Um. He talked about I know Kevin Warren, who at his role at the Vikings before becoming Big ten commissioner, was essentially doing the job of a team president without the title. So there have been a lot of qualified candidates ahead of him that never quite got that title of team president. But just like a slam Dunck hire for a lot of reasons, Yeah, I think so, And you know, say what you will. I mean, but that McKenzie track um has its fingerprints all over professional baseball, professional basketball. Um, you know, that seems to be a well of teams to hire from. And so again, I mean it's you know, hopefully people look at the entire scope of the higher here and hopefully Washington does build something interesting because I feel like even though it's like we said, they're begrudgingly being pushed in a certain direction, at least it's the right direction. And so you know, how does a team president can he get a stamp on you know, maybe how they push their personnel direction, personnel um apartment moving forward, their coaching staff? You know, can he be a pipeline um for other maybe uh marginalized voices in the in the building and outside the building. So I don't know, I'm hoping it all goes well. And it's you know a reminder of just how lacking hiring has been in the NFL, in the league where sevent of players are black, that the first team president comes in the what are we in the hundred first year of the league. So I mean, that is a jarring reminder. But like it's important to keep saying first black president, not saying like this is his achievement or accomplishment, although it is, but just reminding you two of the fact that like there were failings before that led to this point. So no doubt. All right, do you want to read topic five, Connor, Let's do it. Um Melvin Ingram is quote unquote holding in while expressing unhappiness over his current deal after the Chargers made Joey Bosa the highest paid defensive player in football. Is it fair for Ingram to assume he's owed a little bit of a service fee for drawing away Some of those defenders think that it's fair. I don't think Joey Bosa would be as dominant of a player as he is without Melvin Ingram. Melvin Ingram is in important veteran voice in that locker room. Anthony Lynn was talking him up during the Hard Knocks conference call as one of those guys that people are going to look to for energy and guidance, and so you need to pay him. You have to take care of it. Yeah. I agree. It's an interesting situation because they have these two premier edge rushers. Many teams are just looking for one top end edge rusher and they have too. And I think you can't underestimate how much that helps when they can play off of each other, and that I think it's difficult to talk about either's production without acknowledging the other because they are intertwined. Um and I like that Joey Bosa supported him. He said, Uh, we've talked a little bit, and all I have to say is I'm going to support him. Um, he has to take care of himself. He would love to play with us, he wants to be out there, but he's got to handle business. So I think that was a great comment from Bosa, and I think that's an acknowledgement of the fact that, yeah, like they do work off each other, and um, they're intertwined, and you know, it makes sense that PC's basically got this extension. He's in the final year of his contract and wants a little bump. Yeah. I mean this is one of those um things. I mean, I think it's a good move to buy um Ingram because this is a huge season for the Chargers. I think I mean, you know, regardless of what they're able to do fan wise in the new stadium, I mean, this is a roster that's sort of built to win now, and I think after this season really starts to slowly come apart. I mean, you have some really key pieces on both sides of the ball. They're going to start showing some age, and so this is a good time, I think to strike while the iron's hot and say, yeah, you guys need to need to take care of this now. Yeah, and I think it makes sense for him to put the pressure on now. Now we obviously saw last season, last preseason Melvin Gordon's holdout didn't quite work as planned. Um, So we'll see where this one leads. But I agree with everything you said. It feels like this is a team that you know wants to be a go to when this season. I mean like a routine does, of course, but just the way that they're constructed, I think that's a spot on Connor, no doubt. Um. All right, So we're to the final segment here, which um, you know involves a prediction on my part, a consensus on your part, and I think that, uh, for my prediction. This week, we're going to talk a little bit about the next so we um, they go through these waves right of training camp where we get, um are hyper focused on one thing based off of the practice performance. You know, um, whether it's a rookie who does like a leaping catch or does something like super exciting. And I think that the DeAndre Hopkins swoon is going to be in full bloom coming up here, like he's starting to practice with the team today. Or recording this on Wednesday at about one o'clock in the afternoon. So I think this will be the week of Hopkins. It will be how effortlessly him and Kyler Murray are connecting, how powerful this Cardinals offense is going to look. I think we're in full uh, we're in full anticipation of a big time DeAndre Hopkins one. Here, were you going to say? Full bloom love, full balloom love thee yes? Yes? What do you think? Am I far off? No? I love that. I think that's a really good prediction because there's always a player that's changed teams and like some kind of backstory right that, Like people are high on the Cardinals anyway, and there's a lot of anticipation for what's going to happen this season, and I think Hopkins just kind of adds to that. So I think that's good. Connor, I'm I guess this is one that we've got a track in the I mean the coming days. Like your prediction could come true before this podcast even posts. I like that one. That's a that's a good week, just an easy and out you know, yes, yes, what do we got for your for your consensus this week? Okay? So right before we started recording, I was alerted to a string of tweets from Green Bay where the local press corps who does an excellent job? Rob Dmowsky has tweeted a statement from the Green Bay pfw A that's a Pro Football Writers Association, breaking a longstanding tradition of the publicly owned Packers. Coach Matt Lafleur and GM Brian Goodkins are prohibiting media a training camp from reporting who is getting reps with the first team, second team, third team, etcetera, and for making projections on the depth chart and personnel packages, which is a rite of passage of training camp Conner person roster projections what media and Green Bay has never revealed scheme, special packages or strategy as part of previously established ground roles in conjunction with the p f w A. And then I loved the follow up tweet from Tom Silverstein, who wrote, grass is green at practice and there are some players on it. I am not allowed to tell you where they are standing. However, I just wanna stand up for our colleagues in Green Bay. I think this kind of it's just so frustrating part of the NFL. We are not dealing with national security issues here. The Packers are a publicly owned team, so if you are a public plick or a few member of the public who owns a share in the Packers, you should go and say, hey, I demand a live feed or something. I mean, obviously teams can set their criteria UM that is unfortunately part of the agreement this year, and that you know, these are technically private practices, so the teams can set their own restrictions for practices that are not UM broadcast via a live feed or something of the sorts. But we talked the other day about you know, kind of the jets accommodating things when the team had to move indoors, and I just think it would be a shame if people, coaches, teams, gms used the pandemic as an excuse to restrict access. Right, this is already going to be a year where access is more difficult if it's not for safety reasons, and if you would normally have practice open and you would be able to be reporting who is working with the first team, which is a normal part of training camp, then you should do your best to meet those same guidelines this year. This to me is just one of those things where a team is exerting control for absolutely no reason, and I think it's annoying and it's frustrating because you know, for example, you know, uh, you know, I think it was Aaron Naigler posted that, you know, there were fans flying in to watch pactors packers practice from underneath the slat in the tarp um, And what's to prevent them from, uh, you know, misreporting or you know, saying that somebody's in the wrong place, or you know that somebody got hurt that they didn't or you know, people are still there at practice and can provide untrue or misleading information. I'm not saying that those two uh fans are going to provide misleading information in particular, but like people can still see practice in various places to a degree, and like, why wouldn't you want this effort streamlined to put out accurate information? Like no coach in the history of the NFL has ever told me that he gleaned some sort of hot information from my daily Giants training camp practice reports, which were robust by the way. I mean, you did a great job with your daily reports, so it's possible somebody could have gleaned information. But you know, I mean, this is how absurd is it to say that this is this was the start, this is the team's offensive line going into day day one? Like, is somebody going to show up Week one and blown away by your running back usage? Like, I mean, you're still going to have that same element as surprise, regardless of what we um, what we say. I mean, you know, I just think that it's doing the fans of disservice. It's doing everybody a disservice that loves their football team, and during this crazy time with just like a little bit of interesting tidbit information. Yeah, And I think that people who have covered the NFL for a long time or even a shorter period of time, many people on the Green Bay beat have been there for a long time. Their veterans of the beat, and as Rob wrote in the statement from the local pfw A chapter know they've never revealed scheme, special packages, or strategy as part of previously existing rules. I think most reporters have an understanding of like where the line is, and those are things you don't reveal, but basic stuff about who's working with who, um, and you know, guessing the depth chart and the you know, I just feel like those are things that that's just unnecessary, and that stuff that would normally be on public display during this kind of year, so essentially or during a regular kind of year. So you're essentially using these circumstances to restrict the media further. And I think my fear connor is that things don't revert to normal, right. My fear would be that teams would use whatever restrictive procedures are in place this year. And I hope that's not the case. I hope everyone understands we're in a tough situation. Media is just trying to do their jobs. Obviously, teams want to be safe. I think everybody respects that. But I just hope this doesn't become something that like ends up being a turn that like per invently marginalizes media and makes it more difficult for media who are just there to do their jobs. So dumb. I remember doing god how many versions of the fifties guests the fifty three man roster post. Yeah, and that that inherent in that is the depth chart. Because you're projecting the roster, you have to know how players rank at every position. Ridiculous bad job, bad job by bad job by the packers bad job by the packers. Yeah, so that's the consensus today. I think that's an easy one to get behind, no doubt, I hope. So. Well, the good news is we made it through the show and you have not been replaced by your daughter. So big round of applause for baby girl or here uh quietly eating her goldfish and watching word Party instead of crashing the podcast. But she was more than welcome to do. But yeah, I mean, as we said, you know, she's always welcome and has a future in store here on the pod. It's just a matter of time. But ignoring me would would lead me to believe that she thinks she's so confident effects she could do a better job that she's not even paying me any attention. So she's letting us hang on to Connor for a little while longer, which we all enjoy. Well, thanks everyone for joining again this week. We'll be back next week with more on the week's sidepod. This podcast is me, Jenny Brentis and Connor Or. We are produced by Shelby Royston Sis. 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