All right, welcome in. It's the MmpB podcast for Albert Brier. It's a little bit of different weeks, so the show is gonna be a little different. We usually try to keep it to football here, stay in our lane. We don't go outside the lines all that much because I know you're here for football, and I love the football, and I want to give you football. Obviously, this week's a different week in our country, so we're gonna have football involved in the show today. It's just gonna be sort of woven into everything else that we do. And um, I just want to start with first pointing people to my column Monday that I wrote, Um that sort of explains my viewpoint in this whole thing and kind of you know how it hit me a different way over the weekend. Um, you know, when my five year old saw a car and fire on the TV and I do explain it to him, and I thought to myself, like, for you know, a lot of the guys I grew up with, how much more difficult and complicated of a conversation that must be, you know? And then you know, you sort of start to go through things and you think through some things in your head, and um, you know, you started comparing yourself to the circle stances of other people. And I started thinking about all the second chances I got, And um, A big part of that was because my parents and um, you know, the just the environment I grew up in. Um, you didn't need to be a straight A student from my high school to go to a good college. Uh, you didn't like like I, I didn't worry about their being food on the table. I didn't worry about things a lot of kids have to worry about. But I also got second chances in different ways along the way. And I wasn't an easy kid to deal with. But you know, I I get into fights when I was a little kid. I got into you know, I got into trouble when I was a little kid. I did dumb ship when I was in high school. Same in college. I got busted doing a bunch of stuff. I got cut breaks by police officers. I've gotten cut breaks, um in courtrooms before. Like I've gotten cut breaks before doing stuff that was sort of chocked up as oh, he's a dumbass. And then you know, when you kind of look at that, and I kind I like considered some of the stuff that I was able to kind of work through when I was a young kid, and I started to think about how, you know, other people aren't giving the same chances, and how you know when somebody else gets pulled over by a police officer, they're viewed differently than it. Maybe I was viewed when I was sixteen or eighteen or twenty or twenty two years old, and how I wouldn't have been seen as a threat in the same situation that George Floyd was in when he was murdered last week. And so, you know, I just sort of start to think about how, you know, we subconsciously view people and how people are subconsciously viewed, and you know, if you want to bring that home and into an NFL context, how a lot of these guys make millions of dollars, are the very best in the world at what they do, and still are subjected to a lot of this even as adults. Um, you know, it's so clear that some change needs to be made. You know, it's such a such a massive thing, changing the way people think and changing the way people behave. But um, you know, I know that there's more that we all can do to get there, and and hopefully you know this is a flashpoint in our in in the history of our country where we all start to do a little bit more. We're gonna get to the takeaways now, and the first takeaway is going to sort of connect to that. UM. And again, this is sort of off of a conversation that I had with Richard Sherman over the weekend. UM, and we went back and forth a little bit on on everything that's happening, and you know, he mentioned, um, how much he appreciated what the white quarterbacks have done and the difference it makes, And I thought that this was an important point that I wanted to reiterate here. UM. And it's not just the white quarterbacks of the quarterbacks in general, but it's the white quarterbacks because they reach a different audience. And quarterbacks have generally been so careful in the past about the way that they come off and reaching the most the most broad audience. And in a way, in a lot of ways, there are parallels to Michael Jordan with the quarterbacks, because they are brands and they are trying to sell to everybody and are trying to appeal to everybody, and so UM, you know, I think the fact that those guys stepped out and said and basically took up for their teammates. And I don't think there's a right I don't think that there's I mean to me, like, there's not even two sides of this. There's just the right side and the other side. But um, you know, for Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence who's not in the NFL yet but will be next year. Uh, you know, for Carson Wentz and for Andy Dalton to come out and say something, I think there was real power in that. And that was something that Richard Sherman pointed out to me that you know, the ability to reach it, that to to get that message to a different audience and to make sure that a different audience here's that message. Um to me, like, I think there's great there's great power and that and it's great that that's happening. And I think one thing that we need to keep, um, kind of keep in mind with that too, is like, look at the age of the guys who were talking about and I believe Carson Wentz was first to speak out, but after that you had a rookie and Joe Burrow, and then you had a guy who's not even in the league. Yet Trevor Lawrence Um and then after that yet Andy Dalton, who was a little bit older. But the gate that the floodgates had sort of opened at that point. And so there's one thing that was encouraging about that beyond just getting the message to a new audience, I think it's also that the younger generation maybe has a better handle on all this stuff than you know, some guys who were closer to my age or you know, there are a couple of quarterbacks were actually older than me. Um. You know, I just sort of the fact that the younger guys are really like, I feel comfortable at that age, you know, stepping into this arena and and speaking that way, I think is a good sign for where our country is going. Takeaway number two and it's not gonna be easy transition here. But well, when well, I did want to bring up Rob Gronkowski. He is no longer the the w E w w e's seven champion. He um like, and I'm gonna read this directly off the news story. Believe it or not, This was a news story on ESPN dot com after his fifty eight days of holding goal Grob Gronkowski's championship reign in the w w E has officially coming to an n w w E arat de vignette Monday that showed Gronkowski walking into his backyard in Foxborough, Massachusetts, our truth, who has been the most prolific holder of the w W seven titles since his inception in May twenty nineteen, so that that title, I guess thirteen months old won the belt for the thirty six time by disguising himself as a landscaper and blindsiding Gronkowski for the pin. Now I didn't know this, and I saw the way he won the belt in the first place. Um, But apparently this belt, Um, the whole concept of it is that you can lose it or win it at any time, so people can do these sorts of things. Um. All right, the larger point here, I can't wait to see what gronks like in in in Tampa, because he's gonna have the freedom now to do and say whatever he wants, and now that he didn't have some of that in New England. But we only I think the only time we really saw the full scope of it was when he was in conflict with the team, like during the Motocross UH press conference. That's the only time we really saw it. So it's gonna be exciting to see what what robb on Kowski looks like in Tampa. Takeaway number three. Uh. The Sean Jackson Uh, Actually, the Eagles wide receiver told ESPNS outside the lines, I think they should make up players. They should give fans the insight to what really goes on between the white lines if there aren't going to be fans in the stands. I love the thought from the Sean Jackson. I don't think it's gonna happen. And there are a couple of reasons why. Number One, it affects the strategy of the game. And I do think that that's one thing. You know, when I watched some of the German soccer the last couple of weeks, you could hear the crowd. Um, you could hear the players conversing, I think that first week, and then they piped in the crowd noise and you really couldn't and you'd hear it so clearly that I think it's got a way where it's going to affect the strategy of the game, affect the communication, and so you know, I think that that the idea that they'd have that in real time could create a competitive problem in the NFL. Here's the other thing they don't need to UM. The reason why leaks like the a F and the w and the XFL have done stuff like this is because they sort of have to do it to draw fans in. Now. The NFL can create content by making people up, but most of that stuff is aired long after the games are over. I don't think they need to do anything extra to people, you know, sort of through the through the virtual turnstyle to turn on their TV and watch the game. The game's ratings are what they are, which is, you know, it's the highest, you know it's it's the it's the most successful television product um in sports in America. And so they don't need to do it. There's a competitive element that's compromised. I love to Sean Jackson's idea. I'd love to see it, to be clear about it, but I don't think it's happening. UH number four takeaway number four. This is interesting to me. Case Kingdom um New Cleveland, brown Baker Mayfield said on Wednesday in a video call. Uh, that is a huge part of why I was looking forward to being around Case learning the offense he was in the system, so I can hear his thoughts on how it is taught and how he reads it. And so I think that the Baker Mayfield saying that isn't like, you know, or shattering. It's not the biggest deal in the world seeing him say that, but I do think it underscores kind of the problem that Andy Dalton and Joe Flacco and Cam Newton and Jameis Winston were going to have finding jobs this offseason. There was no question what case Keenom was coming in. They knew he was a backup and he could be sort of a resource to the starter. And I think a lot of these teams that have younger quarterbacks, they want their younger quarter They want the older quarterback they bring in to be a resource, not a threat to the starter. Case Keenom, he is a resource to Baker Mayfield. Joe Flacco can be a resource to Sam Donald. There might be some question over whether or not he'd be willing to do that, but the fact that he had a relationship with the fact that he has a relationship with UM, with Joe Douglas, the general manager manager there, makes it easier to sell. Brian Hoyer can be a great resource to Jared Stidham in New England, Mike Glennon can be a good resource to to to to Gardner Minshew in Jacksonville. And so I think that that's something that a lot of people have missed, is the idea that's the backup quarterback job description is a lot different than the job description for a starting quarterback. And the starting quarterback you want the best player you can get the backup quarterback. You can approach it a couple of different ways. And clearly, um, clearly they clearly the the the the Browns have decided to approach that backup quarterback spot in creating a resource for Baker Mayfield rather than creating any source threat. And finally, take away number five, Um, you know, I just wanted to make sure that I did mention here in the podcast. You know, Collin Collin cap Nick was I think a sort of ahead of his time, and you know, you look at the difference that he made, and we can argue about his method, and we can argue about why why he's not why he's in the league, why he's not in the league. Clearly, you know, the anthem protest was a part of the equation. There no doubt about it. Um, you know, but there's no question that he's going to be you know, remembered for this and UM, you know that the fact that he was talking out about something that became such a I mean just mushroomed in the four years, um, you know, after you know he got done playing. Uh, the impact he's made obviously is is is big. Um. You know again, like I think that there's you know, different different arguments about his method. UM. I think the one thing that I that I do think that's important that everybody remembers here, very important that everybody remembers here about that part of it. Um. And then we'll go to our guest is that summer Colin Kaepernick initially was sitting down for the anthem on the bench. Um that August for the first couple preseason games, I think for the Niners, he was sitting on the bench and there was huge backlash and he actually went to he actually wound up going to Nate Boyer, who was an army ranger who was a long snapper Texas who now has gotten involved in training players with Jay Glazer in l A. He went to Nate Nate Boyer and basically said, basically asked Nate Boyer what the respectful thing would be to do, and Nate Bowyer was the one who told him kneeling would be the respectful way to peacefully protest. And so I just think it's important we remember where that came from, where the idea of it came from. It came from an army ranger, UM. You know, and you know, I think that in the end, you know, the the impact that he made, UM and giving other athletes cover to to to speak out on these issues. I think we felt that over the last six or seven days, and even giving somebody like Jed York, who I think is genuinely us to do the right thing. The owner and there are a lot of owners that have done the wrong thing. The league office can't get out of its own way, and a lot of this stuff. But you know, it's set Jed York up in a lot of ways to be one of the leading voices in the league on social justice. And now you know, when he puts out a statement, I take it at its face. I take it as something that he really means, whereas with other guys, you wonder how many pr people it went through, UM, you know, you you see what Jed York says, and I do think that there's meaning behind it. And so that's the last thing impact that that that that that Colin Kaepernick has had that I think has been felt this week is so many more athletes feel comfortable to speak out and so many you know, people who are in that organization at that time. We're affected by it, and I think now have the ability to speak from a place of authority on it. All right, we'll get to our special guest right after this. Alright, so we're gonna bring in one of one of my favorite guys in fifteen years of covering in the NFL, and Um, you know a guy who you know, is a high profile player for a long time, played for the Patriots, the Eagles, the Saints, the Browns, the Ravens, and the Redskins. I want to make sure I didn't miss anybody there. Dante, uh, you're all night. But he's also he also was. One thing that's really interesting about Dante Stalworth and we'll bring him in now is just how you always had this curiosity outside of football and it's really led him to, you know, now kind of a second career. Um, you know, talking about politics, talking about you know, issues globally on television. So uh CNN contributor. Now Dante Stalwar's welcome in. Hey, yeah, thanks for having me on, brother. All right, So here's where I want to start. Um. You know, and I don't know that everybody who isn't following Dante should be so at Dante Stalworth on Twitter. But if you're following him, you saw last night that he was sort of in the middle of everything in uh in in Lafayette Park. Um And if you can, Dante just sort of in Lafayette Park is the area just north of the White House, I believe, right like right near the church. Um. So the first I wanted to give you the chance to kind of explain, um a you know, when you got there, what it was like, um, how the protests went, and then you know, be of course how everything kind of came apart at the end. Yeah. So I think this entire weekend has been pretty uh tents not just in Washington, d See, where I live, but all around the country. For the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis where for for police officers bounded him down and held him down. The officer who was just recently charged with third degree murder was the one who kneeled on his neck for an extended period of time more than seven minutes, and after he lost consciousness, uh, the knee stayed there for another couple of minutes. So people have been outraged about this entire situation, and it's boiled over. We are in a pandemic right now. We're dealing with the global crisis of COVID nineteen, unprecedented in our times. Uh. The economy is uh faltering right now. You're we're in a we're in a period where we have, uh in the last ten weeks where forty million more than forty million Americans have filed for unemployment. And within that same exact ten weeks, UH billionaires have a massed close to half a trillion dollars while forty million, more than forty million Americans have filed for unemployment. So there's genuine, genuine anger, genuine frustration of what is happening in this country, and what has been happening for a long time. I think has now boiled over to the top, with the killing of George Floyd being the being the straw that broke the camel's back. So fast forward to yesterday. I was out there. I I live in Washington, d C. I live, uh in in the downtown area. So Lafayette Park is essentially where whenever there's a protest in d C, people will go there to protest the protests in other places. But it's not necessarily always about the president when people protest there. So this has a law. I've been here for six years. This has a uh much longer than that, tradition of people protesting their head of government's residents. So that's what we do here in this country. That's what this country was partly founded on, was was protesting. So there are people out there protesting, and the barriers have been pushed back. Um, they allowed us to get closer Thursday, Friday, Saturday, we were up up on the White House sences near the sidewalk. But yesterday they had the barriers out all the way to basically the entrance of Lafayette Park. Lafayette Park is essentially on White House grounds, but it's you know, it's it's protected by the Secret Service, um, and it's a it's a it's a pretty nice size park. And so the the National Guard was called in as you know, and Trump uh said throughout the country that he wanted the governors to get ahold on um on everything that was happening. And his issue is that he's conflating the protests with some of the more uh uprising, the rebellions if you will, that we've been seeing late at night with the fires and the looting and in the in the windows being broken. He's conflating the two. So, um, when we were out there and I sent you the video prior to this interview out um, you know, we were right out there and initially, I would say curfew was at seven p m. Yesterday. So initially the police began, uh the riot police began to push back the protesters who were peacefully protesting. It's when people were peacefully protesting right like, so really quickly, how far like these are the barriers you were they're right up against the White House before like how far are you from the actual White House? Now? Like like how far back were they from that actual wall that kind of protects the White House? So from Okay, so there's are they're building a new fence now, Um that's much higher. I think it's gonna be twelve or fifteen ft high now because people who were jumping the normal six feet not during this protest that we're not allowed to get that close anymore. But over the last six years since I've been here, I've seen it having multiple times. So they wanted to make the fence higher. So they have that barrier. Then you have the sidewalk um, and then you have a street. The street was opened prior to the al Kada bombings of U S embassies in Africa. UH, at the end of the nineties, that street was open, so it's an actual street. So the police, uh, the barricade started um on the other side of the streets, so they had the entire street. Uh, they're pretty big sidewalk. And then you have the White House, huge fence and then the White houses. I don't know, maybe uh forty yards thirty forty yards from the fence to the actual house. So we were we were aways away. We were always we were much closer on Friday when Trump went uh and he was ushered to his bunker. Which made him upset that that those reports were leaked, was that he was rushed to his bunker on Friday night when protesting, and then that's when they started macing the protesters. Again, I have all that on video. So this was a three thirty in the morning on Friday night, Saturday morning. Did you notice like so we don't know about like the conference call right that happened with the with the president and the governors on Monday? Yes? Did you? And you said you were out there Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, right, So you're out there each of the four days. Was there a different I mean before anything actually happened, was there any sort of change in tone between the protesters and the police on Monday? Didn't feel different at all, um going there versus what it had been over the weekend. So here's the thing. I think everyone has seen the images across the country of police um escalating this situation. People police have escalated situation. It's clear that they have. People obviously have been busting windows and and uh and and property damage and things like that. But uh, if you if you notice a lot of that seems to be in the response to what the police have been doing, not just in Washington, d C. In Minneapolis, but all across the country. We're sitting in Seattle, and not in Seattle where their police department push down this old man who could barely walk and he had a cane and they pushed him down. Um, so you know it's it's been happening all around the country or where the horse trampled this young lady in Texas, so people where people have been upset about that. But you know, again, there's video that I have of uh, and I'm pretty close to the front. There's a video that um just before I think most people saw the images when Trump came out to speak at the Rose Garden was when they was when the police made the offensive to push back the protesters, and you see the images of them swinging their shields and hitting people with batons and firing rubber bullets and firing tear gas, which is uh, you know, illegal, illegal use of a chemical weapon in war, but yet it's okay to use that on our citizens. Go figure, were you aware? Were you aware that? Like, so the president spoke or he's supposed to speak, I think it's six right, and then he wound up speaking at six thirty, and I think like what kind of stuck out for all of us, um who were watching on TV who weren't there was kind of like how it seemed timed up and the whole thing seemed staged. Did you did you did? Did? What? Were you aware? Were? I mean, maybe not so much of you, because I know you're really intune to this, but we're people. They're aware that the president was about to get up and speak and that something might happen. No, No, I don't. I don't think so. Um. And you know, if you've seen the images, I didn't. I didn't see this until I got back home with the with the two images, one of Trump saying he's a law and order president. He and he uh, you know, he he sides with peaceful protesters, and yet on the other, on the other split screen, on the other side of the split screen, is when you exactly at that moment was when the police started to hit people with shields and batons and firing tear gays. And so you know, that's who he wants to be. That's who he's always been. If you, if anyone who's listened to him when he first started, um, you know, campaigning, that's who he wanted to be. He wanted to be. This as as he calls him a strong man, he's shown affinity for authoritarian figures all around the world. As a state from Turkey, to with Urdwan from the Philippines with rocker Rigo de Torte, with Vladimir Putin, and obviously his relationship with Kim Jong Oon. Now listen, I'm i'm I'm I'm a very peaceful person, and I'm okay with him talking with with these people. I'm okay with that because we've done it, We've worked with dictory dictatorships throughout our history. However, is when you start to uh showing affinity for them, these anti democratic institutions, when you become friendly with these people and start to show and affinity towards them and you bring it home, that's the problem. And so that's what he wanted, that's what he's always wanted to be. And and that picture, that image of him, uh same saying though things while their gas light in the country. Because in the other split screen where they showed that the police state agents where pushing back the protesters and firing tear gas, you know, and unprovoked and this was this was about a half an hour before curfew, so no one had anything to provoke them. The only logical conclusion that one could come to was that this is exactly what the president wanted to happen to the people like they're like that were on the ground, like, but well, let me ask you this first. It was it a completely peaceful protest? Was it? I mean the images you sent me kind of reflected that where everybody took the knee, like just listening. Give people listening an idea of like what the what the scene was like before, right before like six fifteen, six twenty, like what the scene was like right before everything happened. So it was it was a peaceful protest all the way through. I've been out there for a couple of hours. At that time. Um, people were chanting the slogans, say her name, Brianna Taylor. They were saying, uh, chanting, say his name, George Floyd, um ahmad our bird. There were a lot of chance, a lot of Black Lives Matter, chance, um, no justice, no peace, all these all these chants that that we're kind of born out of the civil rights era that we're still using today. It became the protests became uh violent, or the start of the violence. When I believe on my phone, the the ticker says, uh six twelve, So this is maybe about forty minutes before curfew, about ten ten minutes before Trump came to the Rose Garden, people were standing near that entrance, which is which is I don't know. It could be a hundred yards eight yards from the Rose Garden to where people were standing. Um, so it's not close at all. However, um, you know, before Trump could go out there, they had to clear the people out of there. So there's images of police swinging their batons. I I was right there. I didn't get the police officer swinging on the baton, but I saw that. I caught the end commotion where they hit a guy upside the head and he was just bleeding out of his stohead. I I posted it on Twitter because I wanted people to see what was happening. And everyone's saying, like, hey, there's kids out here. There's children. This is a peaceful protest, and it's clothe, you know, it's it's a little a little less than an hour before curfew, So what are you guys doing? And so they came out and they became more aggressive, and they came out by the deserts. They started peeling, uh piling out of the White House and and and then that's when they became aggressive and started pushing us back towards towards the church. They started pushing us back towards the church area because that street is very long, and they're not they're not gonna push us the fifteen street. Uh, so what their best way to do is to push us back towards the pro where all the other protests are, which which is on eighth Street. Um. And so they were pushing us all the way back out of the street, all the way back and pushing us back through the park. Um. And that's when I'm sorry not to park through the through the street. And so that's when, uh, you know, about ten minutes later when they kept pushing and kept pushing, and then I would say about six thirty four is when the police officers started to really like making offensive forcibly violently, um, swinging their shields and hitting people in the face. Baton's being swung everywhere, uh, tear gas and rubber bullets people were being pelted with. And I was did the escalation seem coordinated? Like did it seemed like almost they were getting an order, you know what I mean? Like? Or was it was steady? No? You know, it's because you know, like you like you alluded to I knew that Trump was about to speak, right, and I knew he was speaking at the Rose Garden, so but I didn't know this until they pushed us back. People were texting me and telling me, hey, you know, something's about to happen because the President is gonna speak, and so I'm like, okay, well that's why they that's why they like pushed us back initially from uh, from the side of the Rose Garden where the guy where where they hit the guy in the head at the time, and then about ten minutes later, excuse me, about ten minutes later is when they became violent. And I mean, look, everyone saw it on television when he was speaking. If you saw split screen of the protesters, you saw as he began to speak, that was the time it was. I mean, like, listen, and here's the thing, here's the thing. There has to be that coordination. That's the only logical conclusion because that's what Trump wanted to happen, that's who he's always been. And I said, that's the only logical conclusion because the split screen told the truth. We're not you know, he says he's believe he he believed in peaceful in peaceful protesting, and he stands on the side of peaceful protesters. But yet in that juxtaposition you'd see on the split screen image where at that moment, Albert, at that very moment, was when the police began too to push people back, to swing their shields and baton. I mean they even like somebody fail and then another person went back to pick that person up, and they pushed that they like shoved that person over and shoved them to the ground face first. Um, this this is not I didn't expect that to happen, To be honest with you, I I guess I let my imagination not get the best of me, and usually that doesn't happen. But I didn't. I didn't expect that, not even with Trump. I didn't expect that to happen. But well, yeah, because you expect, like the you expect the individual police officers maybe to think to themselves, Okay, like I know I have my orders, but I'm gonna be reasonable about this, right, Like I don't know, Like there's that part of it, right, like, which is these aren't robots like their individual people, you know, and and you want to think more. And I know about a police officers who've done a lot of good and are good people, and it's just you want to think that's not what's happening. But clearly I don't know. I mean, like just from what we saw on TV, it looked it looked like just Bedloe. It was terrible. Man. I didn't I was not expecting that to happen. And um, it made sense when they pushed us back towards the church first and then they h then they made us go down Vermont Street, which is where the church is on the corner of Vermont and Eighth Street, and and then Lafiette Park is right across the street there and that's where basically the White Houses White House is. Um, that that was. That was interesting. Man. That was something that you know, I try to have empathy with people around the world, especially when our country is affecting some of the things that are happening and around the world in certain countries. And uh, you know, they weren't firing any any uh you know, live round actual bullets us, but they were firing tear gas. They were violent, um, towards the protesters upfront, pushing, pushing the lineback, and they were firing tear gas again, which is illegal use of a chemical agent in war. Um. I really, it just it just made me sad, not just for my country, but it made me it made me sad for people around the world who have to deal with this, uh, you know, with dictators who are shooting life bullets and uh, you know, who don't have the constitutional and democratic institutions that we've had um in this country where you're not allowed to do certain things. But you know, since Trump came in as president, he has not really cared about that type of law and order. It's only the aggressive police state law law and order that he uh clings to. I'm just wondering, like what the aftermath was like, like once they pushed everybody back, Like what was the scene like on the street. People were mad, people were upset. We couldn't believe that was happening. Um. And I mean, you know, in that moment, you're people are upset, people are yelling, cursing. UM. But you know, what do you do? You you you can't you can't literally you can't fight back. You're You're what they were doing fighting back was peacefully protesting. And so when they're you know, when they're becoming violent, Um, people become angry. But there was a young lady that had a microphone there, and uh, there were a couple people who threw some water bottles. But you know, it's a water bottle. They have shields and it's you know, they have protective gear. I'm not condoning that, but I'm just saying it's not like that. That that when people say there was violence, Like, no, there's not throwing a water bottle at at a police officer who has a shield and who has protection and they're all protected. Uh, that that's not violence. Violence is hitting people in the head who are unprotected with shields, hitting him in the face, hitting him in the heads with batons and the backs, uh, firing, firing rubber bullets at their eyes. Journalists have lost and people have lost eyes to these rubber bullets that have been flying tear gas again, which I can't stress enough it's an illegal use of a chemical region in the war. How the hell are we using this in our streets? And people are okay with it? Um, but it it was it it became the young lady said, hey, if you if you want to be violent, take your ass home, because that's not what we're here to do. We're not here to provoke them, and she took charge. I don't know what her name was, Um, I don't know who she was, but she took charge and people listened, and that's I think. You know, they continue to push us down the street past the church, um and it and it made sense why they why they stopped, uh, which I thought, Okay, they're you know, they're actually cool, they're calming down now. But they were basically there to hold us because Trump was one block up the street at the church where they had just pushed us back from. That's gonna be frustrating too, because it's just like if it's a non like the violence is coming from that end, is yeah, that sucks, you know, like that it's a non violent protest, and like there's violence coming from the other end. Um, is there a lasting image? Is there something that I don't know if it kept you awake last night, um, but something that maybe you'll remember from from what that afternoon was? Like Yeah, I think I think just the mayhem of um of you know, kind of learning about things in real time. Uh. You know when when they said Trump gave was giving the speech at the Rose Garden, Um, we had already been pushed back from that. Uh. And I want to say that area because again it's like where Trump was speaking was at least eight yards away from where we were standing at least. And then you're talking about barricades, Uh, you know, multiple barricades, fences in between, and obviously dozens and dozens of police state agents UM in between us in that area. So we weren't we weren't anywhere near that, but just the surreal aspect of them pushing us back when Trump was coming out to speak, and then they became extremely violent, um when they decided to I mean I could I just I couldn't believe it. Uh. That will that will probably stick with me for a while because these are the things that you see, um, happened in other countries. Uh, these are the things that you know are not supposed to happen in this country because we're the quote unquote greatest country in the world, you know, and just being a part of that man was it was it was really, it was really something. It was. I felt like I was isolated in time. Uh. Like I was said, does it didn't feel like America? No, No, not, or at least what we perceived to be as American. You know, like what right, Dr Martin Luther King was marching and you know they got beat just just for marching across the period, so you know it it just I I was sitting there in disbelief initially, but then it you know, I just I just fell back like everyone else did. Um again, we had no choice, but I just fell back, and I just wanted to keep recording, um to see if you know, if I could uh capture anything on camera that would be worthy to help him to to stop this violence from the police, this escalation from the police, because we we have to be clear by one thing. It is violence. This is violence, do um and And that's something that you know their their initial job is there to protect, serve and protect us. What is what their motto is. I just want to like, like, I'm just wondering, did you did you notice anything between the police and the church clergy, because I at least has gotten out there that that that was exactly pretty either No, No, I didn't, Um. Okay, you know that the church had been boarded up that that day. I think it got boarded up either earlier that morning or the night before. But um, yeah, I didn't see any of that. Actually, I han't heard anything, but okay, okay, UM, you know, I like and I that's unbelievable. It's more than I thought that i'd hear. I mean, I'm it's just crazy to think about, like what that must have been like to be there. Um, you know. I want to ask you, Dante, just because because you are, you know, an athlete, you were an athlete to um, you know, I just kind of like how you see a pro athletes responsibility. I've gotten different answers from different guys on this, like whether or not it's a pro athlete's responsibility to say something, um, you know, and sort of what role that you think? You know, Like like just let's say I'm a twenty three year old NFL player who's still trying to kind of figure things out, and I ask you, like, what's my responsibility here? What should I be doing? How would you answer that? I think that's a difficult question. Um, I'd hate to see I'd hate to say. You know, everyone should have autonomy of their of their own selves and uh, you know, and if they feel comfortable enough to speak, then speak. If you don't, then don't. But you know, what happens when too many people are not speaking. Uh you know, Margaret, Dr Martl D. King once told us that silence is betrayal, so uh, you know, in in in the face of what's happening today, especially so it's it's a difficult question. I one thing I can say though, is, um, you know that if, if, everyone should educate themselves on on what's happening in this country and what's been happening in this country, um for a very long time since the founding. Necessarily just uh, it's important to to educate yourself and to understand why these things are still happening and to then form your own opinions. And if you want to work with groups, you know, educate yourself on which groups, uh that that you think that are beneficial to the part of the movie that you want to be in. It's it's difficult for me to to say that, you know, everyone should be speaking out. I would love for that to happen, But I will say that I am happy to see that more more people are starting to speak out, and especially uh, you know, like specifically like white quarterbacks, and Um, I've I've I've always had a big mouth, just ever since I was a kid. So I've always spoken out even when I didn't know what the hell I was talking about. Um, I've I've always spoken out. Uh, so I've never had that problem. But I do appreciate them taking the time to speak out because you know, uh seven was seventy close to three quarters of the league is black. Player is comprised of black players. So you know, you're in the locker room with with these guys all the time, and uh when you start to hear these generalizations about how black people act, um or the generalizations in general about how black people are, and you're like, wait a minute, Like I work with a lot of these dudes, and they're just like I am. They have families who love them, They love their families, they go to work, they come work hard, and they go home. Um. And so I really appreciated guys like Andy Dalton and especially Joe burrow Man, Like I've definitely appreciate him. And no one can say anything about his record. He's he's done a lot. I forgot which city or town is He's from, Athens, Ohio, and you know, I think it's one of the one of the worst counties as far as economic uh, and the worst worst economies in the country in the UH where he's from, and he's spoken a lot about helping poor people like this dude is this dude is Yeah. I not that it matters, uh, because I I'd like him since I've watched them at L s U and I've wanted him to succeed and I and I still I really want him to do really well. But UM, if he's able to, you know, have a successful, a very successful career, uh, you know, live up to the hype or whatever the number one pick, be one of those great quarterbacks of his error that we talked about down the road. UM, and he's working in the way uh that he's been working with um with like I would just I would essentially say, his human rights advocacy, Um, god man, he's gonna be one of the greatest. I don't want to crown him. Obviously, footballs are hard to deal with. But I'm saying he's able to do that. And he still continues to, you know, to to climbing this mountain that he's been climbing. Of his advocacy for human rights, Uh, he could do some things that are global, and UM, you know, I'm glad to see that that more people in the NFL are speaking out about things that are happening in this country that that affect people that they work with every day. How do you think, like, so, how do you think of when every but everybody's back in and we're assuming it's going to be at the end of July. How do you think locker rooms are gonna reckon with these things? Um? Because they are melting pots. You know, guys from different backgrounds, different races, everything else. Um. And you played for a lot of different teams, Dante, and you know, you were with the Patriots during the spy gate year, you were with the Saints during Katrina. Um, you know, nothing with the gravity of the Well, Katrina did have the gravity of this, but in a different way. Um. You know, how do you think, like a locker room it's gonna reckon with this? How do you think it will come up? Um, everything that's happened in our country since the last time these guys saw each other. UM, I think I think it's gonna be. Uh, there's gonna be a lot of conversations. Guys are gonna be upset. Um, But you know it's it has been. Uh, it has been a situation where you know, people will have these intellectual conversations in the locker room. And there are some guys who uh you know who who followed the politics of of of this country and have been following in and know a lot. And there are a lot of guys in locker room who don't know or don't care to know, UM. And and that's you know, that's that's a typical locker room. But I but I will say that over the years, my last my last year in the locker room was I will say that since I first got into the NFL in two thousand two to the time I left the NFL uh in as a player, UM, people were becoming more tuned to political issues. Uh, not just in this country but around the globe. And so I can I can imagine now you see it on on social media where more guys are talking about not just domestic politics, but international politics. Justin Jackson is one guy that comes to mind. Uh. He's he's pretty good at uh checking the temperature of things and of the political atmosphere, and he understands how this thing is, how this thing works. There's a lot of guys like that, and he's very outspoken about it. And I applaud him for that. But I think that in the locker rooms, guys are gonna have these conversations. You know, they're gonna have these conversations and uh who who knows how they're gonna turn up. You know, you saw when when when a lot of things were happening in the Eagles locker room, those guys talked a lot about it. You know, Tory Smith, Chris Long, Malcolm Jenkins, you know, all those guys went down to uh you know, their their local UM district attorney's office, their local government buildings and spoke, had conversations, had meetings with lawmakers there, and had meetings with uh with district attorneys. And you know, I think that's the move because from a from a from an athlete's perspective, because we have so much power, We have so much political power that it's it's insane. I didn't realize that when I first moved here in d C. But one little quick story that I'll that I'll share is, you know, I had a decent career. I was blessed to play ten years and uh, you know I had some I had some pretty good years and had some not so good years. Um, I said, had a you know, average career over overall, I had fun. It was my dream. So I'm totally fine with that. But one of the first times I went to the Pentagon when I was covering uh you know, Defense News, National Security, I was over there and uh, you know, I'm getting ushered into General's offices and and all these people are like, hey, don't tell you what's upthing that? What are you doing here? And I'm like, how in the hell do these people? Like seriously, I'm like, they're at the Pentagon, bro, Like, how do they know who I am? But everyone loves football, dude, Everyone loves football. And the the the ability that I've been able to have as an NFL player, Um that that's also that's also working in this political space. Um dude, I've had I've been able to meet with people and meet with sources. Is that you know that I that I never would have imagined, you know, years years into my NFL career and so political. Uh capital that the NFL players have is is is innumerable, and it's greater than you knew when you were players. You're more greater than I knew. And I appreciate players that that are you know, taking the initiative to to make those moves because uh, once they and once they see they start to do that. You see an Kuan Bolden as well. I mean we all I was there with them. We all went to the capital for three straight days and we met with members both sides of the aisle um to speak about criminal justice reform for three days and with you know, uh, probably hundred members. We've met with a couple of committees um and then at the end um and Kwan and Malcolm testify it at the end um in front of one of the committee. So uh that I think is something that people should be doing more. And I'm not saying do for criminal justice reform, Uh that would be great. But if you feel if you feel uh very passionate about something, if you have a foundation, or if you advocate for something regularly, go come to Washington man. I'll I'll do what I can to help you out. This goes for any NFL player because we have so much power in this city and this is the most powerful city in the world. We have so much power in the city that that we do not realize that we do. And I hope more guys take the initiative to do that. So it's just it's like it opens doors. Basically, it's it's the door that like most people can't get through. And because you know, whoever it is watched you when you were a player or knows of you because of you know, how good you were as a player, You're gonna be able to get through that door and make a point to that person. Right. And you know, I played for so many teams, so that that helps, you know, because then they're so multiple stand basis. So maybe that was my real calling was to play for all these teams so I could try to do some good annual Um. Last thing for me then, like, what do you think the role of so obviously Colin Kaepernick's protest Um, you know, I think brought white to something that we're seeing four years later. Um. And and we probably should have listened to him more than we did as a country. Um. And then you know, obviously the job that that both you know, Anklon Bolden and Malcolm Jenkins and and everyone involved with the Players coalition has done. Um. You know, in a in a situation like this where you know, police brutality is in the forefront of a lot of people's minds, race in our country is in the forefront of a lot of people's minds. Um, how do you see the role like and what can they do? Like? What can the players coalition do? Um? And what can individual players who might want to saddle up with them? What what can they do? Like? What kind of impact do you think NFL players have a chance to make right now? I think Uh, I think one of the things that players can do is uh, you know, continue to push for legislat and um sweeping legislation because the piece meal legislation that we've been you know, eking out obviously hasn't been working because if you look at the body cam uh, the body cam requirement, and there was someone who was just killed by police at the protests in I believe in Louisville, where the same city where Brianna Taylor was asleep when police busted in the house and and uh began shooting. Um, yeah there there none of the policemen who were involved in that incident had had their body cameras on. None of them did. So this piecemeal legislation that keeps getting issue out is not working because now you know, absent forensic evidence, uh, you know, you're working against the state. You're literally working against the state to try to prove that they were at fault for this person death. And it's hard to do that when it's your when it's your word against theirs. Because as we've seen time and time again, Um, it doesn't matter that that you know, people are swaming on the Bible. If it suits there, uh, if it suits their agenda, they will lie in court to prove a point or to help get one of their officers out of trouble. So it's hard sometimes and that's you know, those are the things that people are frustrated about. So sweeping legislation, sweeping criminal justice legislation is one of the ways to go. And like I said, you know, the guys from the Eagles, they went up and they helped get some things pass aftergot exactly the name of the bill, but they helped get uh some things. That was when they went to like they went to Harrisburg on like a Tuesday, I remember exactly, yep, yep. And and those things matter. You know. Doug Baldwin was going, you know, speaking to the spent spent time with the the district attorney and the chief of police in Seattle when when he was there, and uh, you know, he he's done a lot of work. There are a lot of there are a lot of players that are doing so much work. Man that are that are that deserve applause. But I think moving forward is that we've got to demand sweeping legislation because we can continue to talk about the broken windows, and we can continue to talk about, um, you know, the water bottles being thrown and things like that, but at the end of the day, that is a symptom of a larger problem. And the larger problem is that police brutality has been something that has been happening for a very long time, and uh, it's happening against African Americans disproportionately, and so until until those things stopped, and again, the piece mill legislation isn't working. There has to be sweeping legislation because of the fact that it's been happening so long. It's rooted in the DNA of the institution of our law enforcement. It's it's rooted in that institution. And I'm not saying that that all that all law enforcement officers are bad. I have plenty of family and close friends who are in law enforcement. However, the institution of law enforcement in this country has the foundings of it, the roots of it. UH is still playing out today and we see it, you know, time and time again and until there can be justice for and and and again. You say having justice for someone who has been murdered, are killed by police, there is no there is no justice. But to make sure that we don't let their lives their deaths be in vain, we have to continue to push for sweeping criminal justice legislation and continue to demand, to demand what we want, because that's the only way that that we're gonna be heard is if we go we vote, you know, local, state, federal, and you put is hard for these for these reforms that are that are way overdue, decades overdue. You know. The crazy thing about it is, I just the crazy thing about to me is like that helps the good cops, you know what I mean, that helps the good It helps the good police officers. If those you know, those sorts of things are in place. You know, it's like the people who are doing the job the right way, that'll help them be seen in the right light. And I just I don't know, I mean, like I it's it's funny because you know where it's sort of hit me was Saturday morning. I wake up and I, you know, I got three kids and my five year old ist, you know, my oldest, and um, you know, he sees um, you know, car burning on TV. And you know, like he's like a five year old boy, so he thinks fires cool, you know, and so he he points to the TV and he says, what's that? And I just kind of like didn't know what to tell him, right, And then I and then I thought, like, you know, I was like, that's really bad, buddy, and I just turned it because he's not old enough to comprehend, you know, And so I turned it off. And you know, I just thought like about like some of my friends I grew up with, and how much more complicated a conversation that is for them, Um, you know, for if you know, if you have African American children, how much of a how much harder of a conversation, how much more complicated of a conversation that might be? And um, you know, I I reached out to some of my friends and asked them about it, and you know, and then I started to think about all the second chances I've gotten in my life, and with those second chances have been available to me, if you know, and I talked about this off the top of the show, like, you know what, all of those second chances have been available to me if I wasn't a white male. So it's just there's all these things that sort of rushed through your head when something like this happens, you know. Yeah, yeah, so, um, all right, well you gave us more time than I that I had even anticipated. But I always appreciate Dante. He's Dante Stalworth. You can follow him on Twitter at at Dante Stalworth. Do you have an Instagram? Oh yeah, same, it's at Dante stall at Dante Stalworth, Okay, and you can catch him on CNN. Dante always appreciate catching up with you. Thanks for having me brother, all right, appreciate Dante coming out. That was obviously outstanding. He's great on these matters and uh, just a really good dude who um you know, I think has transitioned really really well into post football life and a lot of football players could learn stuff from him. Um, we're gonna jump into the six pack. I do want to get to your football questions. You guys know how this works. Every week we put the call out for questions out on Twitter. I picked six. If I picked yours, you get an answer here. This, of course is in place, has been in place during the pandemic um for what we were doing earlier, which was the voicemails and the email. So we'll jump right in. Question number one. This from J Pagan. It's at just Underscore Pagan. Why do you feel it as important to talk about sports when the world has bigger issues in the forefront. Good to see you don't care, J J. Just whatever your name is. I I'm not saying I'm not putting this in front of anything else, Like I don't think talking about football is more important than what's going on in the world. But I do know why people are here. People are here to talk football, and so I'm happy to give them the chance to come here and listen to some stuff on football, and we've the other stuff in so to get to the football stuff, you do have to listen to some of the other stuff, which is sort of how I wanted to put this week's podcast together because there are important issues going on in the world. Question number two, that's from s R N y ten at sham Here Rose and if two I think you think there's gonna be NFL fans. They're just gonna be fans in NFL games this season. I think it's gonna vary from stadium to stadium. I do not think that we're gonna have full stadiums across the league by the end of the year. I'm not saying it's impossible. I don't know what the future looks like. I don't have a crystal ball, but I don't I don't think that every city in the league is going to be in a place to host full stet to have stadiums full by December. They may prove me wrong. I think at the beginning of the season there's going to be in equities across the league. And I think the one reason why, um, they're gonna be okay going forward like like that is because it's simple. It's because the money. And you know, if you look at the way that the NFL is structured, of the way the salary cap works, it's pretty easy here. Everyone is at risk of losing money if you are not willing to do what's allowable and not in in in some states, even if the same things aren't allowable in other states. And so what I mean by that, the salary cap, which dictates how much players make, is a percentage of total revenue. If total revenue is hurt, that hurts the owners, of course, because that's their bottom line. But it also hurts the players because it's gonna hurt the sentage coming back to them. So what's the best way you can do to try to preserve as much revenue as you possibly can. It's going to be to try to get fans in the stands as best you can in the places that you can do it. And so, you know, I think there's certainly a possibility that you know, we get to September and maybe you've got a half full stadium in Kansas City and you're playing in an empty stadium at the Meadowlands and an empty stadium in l a UM. And I think the reason why teams will be willing to do that again is because the total revenue equation is going to affect the total revenue equation UM, and the total revenue equation affects everyone. So my guess is that they're gonna be inequities probably throughout the fall from city to city. But I do think there will be fans in the stands in some places to begin with, and probably some fans in the stands everywhere by the end, but I don't think we'll have full stadiums everywhere at the end. Um question NAB three them connect the that's connected twenty two. At connecting twenty two, what division do you think is the toughest to win this year in the NFL? And who do you think will win that division? Connecting I'm gonna tell you right now, I believe it's the NFC West, which is the easy answer, but if you look at it, I think Arizona is going to be better than a lot of people think. I think the Rams, as long as Shan mcpha is there, and they do have some holes right now, they're gonna be competitive. How far they can go, I think it's gonna depend on their offensive line. And then San Francisco and Seattle are legit contenders, with San Francisco I think is the favorite to win that division. Question number four from Gregory Shillinger. Um, that's at Gregory Shillen, really wondering if we have two or four preseason games this year, more importantly, what we have to going forward in the years to come. Okay, the first part of your question, I think we will have four preseason games this year. Again, my answering that question is driven by the revenue equation, UM, where teams are gonna be hurting as the local revenue end. Preseason games are enormously important to local revenue because they have television deals that are connected to that. And so my guess is we do get four preseason games this year. As for the question of two going forward, that the plan that I've heard is that instead of going from sixteen and four preseason games to seventeen and two, I've heard the plan would be the seventeen and three with the option to eventually cut that down to two. Again, this is all driven by money. UM. I think ultimately what you'll see is probably and the emphasis on joint practices whenever it's okay to do that. Again, the emphasis on joint practice is getting ramped up a little bit, and um that eventually probably replaces the extra preseason game. But I think for right now, as long as it's sixteen games, you'll have four preseason games. And then when they go to seventeen games, I think you'll see it goes to three preseason games and then maybe eventually to two. Question Number I from Nathan Hanneka. Do you think the billionaire owners are currently quite pleased that they're successful blackballing of Kaepernick? Surely his situation as silenced a lot of voices in the NFL who would otherwise be speaking out right now, Nathan, I think is the opposite. I think, you know, some of the owners, UM, now, some of the owners have their you know, or have their heels dug in and or hardcore against what what Kaepernick did. And UM, those owners probably haven't that budge much. But I think there are some owners that are regretful over the way the league handled it. And I'll give you guys an interesting story of how one of these how how a situation was handled two years before Kaepernick that could have created at least a road map for how they handle this one. UM. You guys may remember in two thousand and fourteen, UM the Michael Spigel Sam was drafted UM and there was a lot of questions at the time about UM the Rams doing a deal with Roger Goodell to make sure that he did not go undrafted because he had been the SEC defensive Player of the year. Remember, he had come out first openly gay UM player in the NFL and uh, and so you know, he goes through Rams camp. Um he didn't wind up making the team, and so when he got cut, there was I think some concern across the NFL how it was gonna look if he just sort of vanished from football. And so if you remember earlier that offseason, there have been some stuff that had happened with Jerry Jones, and um, you know, the league basically called in a favorite of the Cowboys. Um, this was how the story went. And Michael Sam wound up on the roster. And I know that there was I don't know the particulars of the deal, but I do remember hearing from people in the building that they had to have Sam around for a certain amount of time. And so that was a way of I think sort of the league trying to sidestep a public relations problem. And you know, I don't bottom line is they manufactured his way onto a team, and you know, things wound up. You know, I think Michael Sam had his own issues and um, like there were some there were people that didn't like him, didn't like the way he conducted himself, showed up late to stuff everything else. But you know, I think ultimately the league was sort of worried about the fallout if Michael sam didn't get a fair shot, and so, you know, I think at the very least, there are some people who are regretful that they didn't maybe try to manufacture a similar sort of situation for Kaepernick. Whether it would have worked or not, um, you know, at the time, no one knows, but the fact that they didn't do more to make sure that, you know, this didn't become this this, this issue didn't become a bigger one. UM, I think that there's some regret over that. UM. I do think that the I mean, look, it's like I reported at the time, the fact that he wasn't a starting quarterback, but the fact that he wasn't considered starting caliber quarterback anymore kind of became the issue. You because when you're bringing in a backup quarterback, it's like, okay, like now we're willing to bring in a lot less as far as stuff that's outside of football with a player, and most teams would look at like I remember that the Seahawks came in and uh, the Seahawks had him in for a visit and they you know, the whole thing blew up and it became a big deal and everything else. And I know part of the thought for the Seahawks was, well, you know, like we had Austin Davison too, and nobody cared. So just give me Austin Davis. You like a lot of these teams just want the backup quarterback to blend in with the furniture. And so I think that there was like an element there with Kaepernick after you know, it's just I think the worred owners who wanted to to sign him, but it was just sort of became one of those like not in my backyard type of things. Um. You know. As for his his his his situation silencing other players, I think the opposite has happened. I think I think he has given players cover to to to to speak out. And I think it's he sort of normalized the idea of speaking players speaking out on social issues. So I actually think he's empowered other guys to talk. Um, I think he's pushed other guys. I think his whole situation pushed other guys to talk. And so I mean to me, I like, I don't know, I mean, like, I just I think in that way he's actually helped other players Finally, question number six. This is from J Doe. That's at Hopkins Horns rookie running back most likely to break one thousand all purpose yards this season, um, and potential comeback players of the year. Well, I would love to see someone like Alex Smith when comeback player of the Year. I don't think he's gonna play again, but like to have some sort of story like that would be fun. Um. As for the player most likely to break one thousand all purpose yards this season, I'll take you through some of the names. I don't know that there's going to be the amount of opportunity for Edwards, A layer in Kansas City, uh, DeAndre Swift. You know if if um, if carry on Johnson is healthy, is probably splitting time with Karen john Nson. I look at uh, you know, Cam Akers and with the Rams. I think he makes an impact, Um, but he's splitting time with Darryl Henderson in all likelihood, J K. Dobbins splitting time with mark Ingram Um. You get the picture. A lot of these guys are going to be in platoons. The one I would keep an eye on Jonathan Taylor. He was such a dominant player in college six thousand yards playing behind a dominant offensive line in Indianapolis, and I think he's gonna have a chance to prove he's better than Marlon Mack and the rest of the crew there. So Jonathan Taylor would be a name that I would watch as the guy who I think is gonna get a lot of opportunity. I know usedid all purpose and maybe he's not as a refined a receiver as some of the other guys. I just think Jonathan Taylor is going to see the ball quite a bit. Appreciate you guys coming out again and if you made it this deep into the prop popping into the podcast, I appreciate you guys sticking with us through obviously what was a little bit of a different podcast. Hopefully you'll learn something from Dante. Hopefully we gave you a little bit of football there to chew on as well. Always want your feedback, so let me know how we did this weekend. Every week, um, you guys know where to find me on social media at Albert Brier on Twitter, at Albert are Burer on Facebook, at Albert Underscore Brier on Instagram, and always listen to all of our podcasts. You've got the Jenny and Connor week Side podcast twice a week now um we do the Weekend Review podcast as a group. Sometimes Gary's podcast posts on Mondays. You can get all those podcasts in one place on the m m QB NFL podcast feed. Find that on Spotify, Stitcher, tune in, Google Play, Apple podcast, wherever you guys get your shows the same time next week. I'll see you guys. Don